Rittenhouse. I dont see win for us either way.

[Lloyd Smale]

If hes found guilty we will give them a victory for there "assault rifle bs" and gun control in general. Then if we have rioters even peacefully protesting against the decision they will be branded as terrorist or trumps army. If they find him innocent there WILL be rioting and destruction and the liberals will say its justified and our fault and probably someone else will get hurt or worse. I just cant see a win either way for us. Never been more of a political pawn then that kid.

[mcbammer]

If hes found guilty we will give them a victory for there "assault rifle bs" and gun control in general. Then if we have rioters even peacefully protesting against the decision they will be branded as terrorist or trumps army. If they find him innocent there WILL be rioting and destruction and the liberals will say its justified and our fault and probably someone else will get hurt or worse. I just cant see a win either way for us. Never been more of a political pawn then that kid.

He's charged with 5 felonies so I will be surprised if he's  not  charged with at least one . 

[Dee]

The boy was standing up for people that wouldn't stand up for themselves, and he ended up having to use deadly force to defend himself doing what grown men should been doing for themselves.

I don't see "US" risking,  or losing anything in this. "US" can stand up for ourselves.

My prayers are justice for Kyle Rittinhouse.

[Bob Riebe]

The boy was standing up for people that wouldn't stand up for themselves, and he ended up having to use deadly force to defend himself doing what grown men should been doing for themselves.

I don't see "US" risking,  or losing anything in this. "US" can stand up for ourselves.

My prayers are justice for Kyle Rittinhouse.

AMEN!

[Dee]

The sad truth is the people that should have been out there that night were hiding in their homes hoping the police would protect them, and their property.
The police however, had been told to pull back, and stand down.

The lesson learned here is, people won't fight as general rule. That's the reason that less than 7% of the population are military veterans, and less than 4% are former, or active duty Law Enforcement.

That's the way this country is.

[phalanx]

The sad truth is the people that should have been out there that night were hiding in their homes hoping the police would protect them, and their property.
The police however, had been told to pull back, and stand down.

The lesson learned here is, people won't fight as general rule. That's the reason that less than 7% of the population are military veterans, and less than 4% are former, or active duty Law Enforcement.

That's the way this country is.

^^^^^^ this.

[BUGEYE]

I assume 99% of the membership of this forum if chased down and threatened with harm or death in a literal war zone- - would have shot back, too. Providing we had the good sense to be armed in a war zone with lunatic terrorists all around on a destruction binge.
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Yep, but I don't guess I'll be out there in it, most riots happen way past my bedtime.
I think the kid is innocent and I'm praying that he'll be found innocent.
Since he crossed state lines would he go to federal prison if found guilty??

[Dee]

I assume 99% of the membership of this forum if chased down and threatened with harm or death in a literal war zone- - would have shot back, too. Providing we had the good sense to be armed in a war zone with lunatic terrorists all around on a destruction binge.
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Yep, but I don't guess I'll be out there in it, most riots happen way past my bedtime.
I think the kid is innocent and I'm praying that he'll be found innocent.
Since he crossed state lines would he go to federal prison if found guilty??

Where's the "federal crime", or any  crime for that matter, in crossing a state line?

[phalanx]

The left made it up I guess.

[Lloyd Smale]

for that inocent kids sake i sure hope hes acquitted but im afraid it but if hes not i sure hope the people on our side of this dont riot. If someone gets hurt or even if it can get twisted to make it look like its the "trump supporters" that are rioting it hurts us in the long run. This is one we have to try to have faith in the law system. Even if it doesnt go the way we like. Midterms are coming up and thats much more important to the long term of this country. We dont need to give those radical idiots in government from the far left more ammo to push there agenda. Personaly i watched most of that trial and think he will walk and should walk but i also know the polititians on the left want to see him burn which is obvious even by what the president said. Lots of pressure on that jury. They have to not only worry about being fair but none of us are there and are going to have our family threatened if we vote to let him go. Its easy to be billy badass when its not you and your family being threatened. I dont see where there can be a compromise in this anywhere or should be so its inevitable that crap is going to hit the fan either way. I guess in the big picture its better for us to have him win and take away that evil ar15 connotation and just live with the left sterotyping and lying about us. But they will and they know its one of there only hopes to get a few more votes. Thats the real truth in this. It like everything else going on today is about VOTES. Nobody cares one way or the other about that kid or the kids that died. Its just a political fight to get votes. 

The boy was standing up for people that wouldn't stand up for themselves, and he ended up having to use deadly force to defend himself doing what grown men should been doing for themselves.

I don't see "US" risking,  or losing anything in this. "US" can stand up for ourselves.

My prayers are justice for Kyle Rittinhouse.

[Lloyd Smale]

Its not a federal crime to cross a state line even with a gun (except in a couple states) Whats a federal crime is crossing a state line with a gun to commit a felony. Its just something else they can tack on to the charges. Now me? im not crossing a state line with a gun to run around a riot scene. Wouldnt have when i was 17 wouldnt have at 30 and sure as hell wouldnt at 65. Id of either done it unarmed or stayed home and that only leaves stayed home because i wouldnt walk into a situation like that unarmed. If that would have been my son and he told me he was going there at all and especially with an ar15 i would have boxed his ears!! Look at that kids mother. she about looks like a crack head. Im sure he didnt have any real parenting or anyone to give him sound advice. Doesnt make him guilty of a thing and thats what matters but if you poke a lion enough its going to bite you whether you deserve it or not.

What made me chuckle is that liberal sob prosecutor when he said something like all of us have been in a fight or a bar brawl. Id about bet the only fights he was ever in were when he got picked on in grade school. Dee is very right when he said less then 10 percent of the people talking the talk ever will walk the walk. makes me chuckle when you see posts about insurrections and secessions. No way youd ever get even 30 percent of the population to stand on there own two feet and risk getting hurt or killed for any cause. Its why the military means so much to me. There and only there i met people that would stand next to you and risk there lives to protect yours. Or willing to give there life for a cause. Truth be told there should have been thousands of wisconson residents standing out there with them protecting that neighborhood instead of cowering in there homes. But that wont happen. There only cell phone bad asses. My son wanted to fight and carry an ar15 id have escorted him to a recruiting office or signed him up for the police academy. If he truely cared about doing the right thing for his country thats where he belongs. Where the real travesty and crime was in this was that the police and national guard were hamstrung by liberal leaders. That riot should have been stopped in a few hours just like it WOULD have been if it was some conservative group rioting. 

I assume 99% of the membership of this forum if chased down and threatened with harm or death in a literal war zone- - would have shot back, too. Providing we had the good sense to be armed in a war zone with lunatic terrorists all around on a destruction binge.
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Yep, but I don't guess I'll be out there in it, most riots happen way past my bedtime.
I think the kid is innocent and I'm praying that he'll be found innocent.
Since he crossed state lines would he go to federal prison if found guilty??

Where's the "federal crime", or any  crime for that matter, in crossing a state line?

[billy_56081]

It has been established that the AR he used never left Wis.

[Dee]

It has been established that the AR he used never left Wis.

And that was my point. Knowing the facts, vs repeating the BS.

[Mule 11]

It has been established that the AR he used never left Wis.

And that was my point. Knowing the facts, vs repeating the BS.

Has guzzi been on this thread too?

[O-mega]

Its not a federal crime to cross a state line even with a gun (except in a couple states) Whats a federal crime is crossing a state line with a gun to commit a felony. Its just something else they can tack on to the charges. Now me? im not crossing a state line with a gun to run around a riot scene. Wouldnt have when i was 17 wouldnt have at 30 and sure as hell wouldnt at 65. Id of either done it unarmed or stayed home and that only leaves stayed home because i wouldnt walk into a situation like that unarmed. If that would have been my son and he told me he was going there at all and especially with an ar15 i would have boxed his ears!! Look at that kids mother. she about looks like a crack head. Im sure he didnt have any real parenting or anyone to give him sound advice. Doesnt make him guilty of a thing and thats what matters but if you poke a lion enough its going to bite you whether you deserve it or not.

What made me chuckle is that liberal sob prosecutor when he said something like all of us have been in a fight or a bar brawl. Id about bet the only fights he was ever in were when he got picked on in grade school. Dee is very right when he said less then 10 percent of the people talking the talk ever will walk the walk. makes me chuckle when you see posts about insurrections and secessions. No way youd ever get even 30 percent of the population to stand on there own two feet and risk getting hurt or killed for any cause. Its why the military means so much to me. There and only there i met people that would stand next to you and risk there lives to protect yours. Or willing to give there life for a cause. Truth be told there should have been thousands of wisconson residents standing out there with them protecting that neighborhood instead of cowering in there homes. But that wont happen. There only cell phone bad asses. My son wanted to fight and carry an ar15 id have escorted him to a recruiting office or signed him up for the police academy. If he truely cared about doing the right thing for his country thats where he belongs. Where the real travesty and crime was in this was that the police and national guard were hamstrung by liberal leaders. That riot should have been stopped in a few hours just like it WOULD have been if it was some conservative group rioting. 

I assume 99% of the membership of this forum if chased down and threatened with harm or death in a literal war zone- - would have shot back, too. Providing we had the good sense to be armed in a war zone with lunatic terrorists all around on a destruction binge.
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Yep, but I don't guess I'll be out there in it, most riots happen way past my bedtime.
I think the kid is innocent and I'm praying that he'll be found innocent.
Since he crossed state lines would he go to federal prison if found guilty??

Where's the "federal crime", or any  crime for that matter, in crossing a state line?

I think many of you have bought into the lefts narrative, unwillingly I hope.  First, the rifle did not cross state lines until after the shooting, and that was to turn it in when Kyle turned himself in.  But even if it had, it is NOT illegal to cross a state line with a rifle, or any legal weapon, even in Kyles case.  He did not go there to commit any crimes, unlike all the rioters that did, so even if he did bring a rifle, that charge would have been BS. 
Oh, and if Kyle would have been my son, not only would I have approved, I would have been right alongside him and it would be me on trial too because I would have probably lit a few more of them up.  I wish that at his age I was as civic minded, oh yea, I guess I was since I joined the army when I was just a few months older than Kyle.  Getting weak kneed when the possibility of someone right of center want to demonstrate is the wrong position to take, we should insist on it.  That is what the left is fighting for, the "right" to use violence then decry the action when we do it.  How many protests have become riots when it's us doing it?  And don't bring up the Capitol, as I hope we can agree that was less of a riot than Black Friday.
I wish you guys would come to the realization that at least two of the boxes for freedom have failed, as the jury box and the ballot box have shown to be corrupted.  I don't relish having my next bullet fired in anger being against a fellow American, and truly hope it does not come to that, but if/when the time comes I will side with the Constitution.

[Ranger99]

Too many gawking at the big screen
at the rioters and sucking up beer to
do anything constructive towards the
United States.  They won't do doodley
scoot until their own house and car
are burning, or hordes of pinhead
woke metrosexuals drag one of their
own loved ones out in the streets and
rape or beat them into a comatose
state,  and/or get their homes
invaded and looted
May not take any action even then

[phalanx]

We are going to be ok Ranger. The wheels are already turning against the left.

[Ranger99]

Maybe
I see way too many fence sitters in 2021,
even more so than just a decade ago.

When you try to sit the fence, the only
for sure outcome is to get a picket
up the a$$

[Ranger99]

. . . most people are content to fence and couch sit, and complain.

One thing for sure certain.
I may or may not live to see it, or
live through it,  but when the SHTF,
End of Days,  Armageddon, etc. does
come ( and it will certainly come)
nobody will be able to sit a fence.
You'll either pick a side or feed buzzards

[magooch]

My thought is that whether the kid is convicted, or let go, there will be a riot.  That is because that is what the lefties do.  Would I inject myself into such a situation?  Hell no, not with the phony commie (Biden) government we are stuck with.  If it came to my neighborhood, I would expect our Sheriff and his troops would make short work of it.  I've seen these guys in action and they ain't some local yokel town police force.  I had the occasion to call them when I mistook the new next door neighbor kid of trying to break into his own house.  Five deputies showed up in a jiffy and all were armed with "giant automatic weapons"-- probably something resembling the Wisconsin prosecutor's impressions.  Well--they probably looked pretty big to the neighbor kid.   This Sherriff's Department has a SWAT team that doesn't mess around.  Some of the Portland loser types showed up here with the idea of causing some trouble.  They didn't stick around long.
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[Lloyd Smale]

exactly. Many even here would say theyd be standing next to him but why werent they?? Theres people who bitch all the time about things like the border and live where it happens and do nothing but puff there chest out on the internet. Probably 3/4s of the people that would like you to think they stand up for this country didnt even serve it and are for the most part just keyboard commandos.

Too many gawking at the big screen
at the rioters and sucking up beer to
do anything constructive towards the
United States.  They won't do doodley
scoot until their own house and car
are burning, or hordes of pinhead
woke metrosexuals drag one of their
own loved ones out in the streets and
rape or beat them into a comatose
state,  and/or get their homes
invaded and looted
May not take any action even then

[BUGEYE]

Its not a federal crime to cross a state line even with a gun (except in a couple states) Whats a federal crime is crossing a state line with a gun to commit a felony. Its just something else they can tack on to the charges. Now me? im not crossing a state line with a gun to run around a riot scene. Wouldnt have when i was 17 wouldnt have at 30 and sure as hell wouldnt at 65. Id of either done it unarmed or stayed home and that only leaves stayed home because i wouldnt walk into a situation like that unarmed. If that would have been my son and he told me he was going there at all and especially with an ar15 i would have boxed his ears!! Look at that kids mother. she about looks like a crack head. Im sure he didnt have any real parenting or anyone to give him sound advice. Doesnt make him guilty of a thing and thats what matters but if you poke a lion enough its going to bite you whether you deserve it or not.

What made me chuckle is that liberal sob prosecutor when he said something like all of us have been in a fight or a bar brawl. Id about bet the only fights he was ever in were when he got picked on in grade school. Dee is very right when he said less then 10 percent of the people talking the talk ever will walk the walk. makes me chuckle when you see posts about insurrections and secessions. No way youd ever get even 30 percent of the population to stand on there own two feet and risk getting hurt or killed for any cause. Its why the military means so much to me. There and only there i met people that would stand next to you and risk there lives to protect yours. Or willing to give there life for a cause. Truth be told there should have been thousands of wisconson residents standing out there with them protecting that neighborhood instead of cowering in there homes. But that wont happen. There only cell phone bad asses. My son wanted to fight and carry an ar15 id have escorted him to a recruiting office or signed him up for the police academy. If he truely cared about doing the right thing for his country thats where he belongs. Where the real travesty and crime was in this was that the police and national guard were hamstrung by liberal leaders. That riot should have been stopped in a few hours just like it WOULD havre been if it was some conservative group rioting. 

I assume 99% of the membership of this forum if chased down and threatened with harm or death in a literal war zone- - would have shot back, too. Providing we had the good sense to be armed in a war zone with lunatic terrorists all around on a destruction binge.
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Yep, but I don't guess I'll be out there in it, most riots happen way past my bedtime.
I think the kid is innocent and I'm praying that he'll be found innocent.
Since he crossed state lines would he go to federal prison if found guilty??

Where's the "federal crime", or any  crime for that matter, in crossing a state line?

Lloyd, I feel as you do about our military, and, if it comes down to it, I don’t think they would fire on civilians if ordered to.

[Northwoods]

If the brave young man isn't crucified by the leftist bonfires who want their pound of flesh it'll be a win. After all how dare he interrupt their chaos and mayhem protest. At the end of the day if our fearless law enforcement had been there doing their damn JOB Kyle Rittenhouse wouldn't have been there in the first place... After a stolen election, with leftist loons in charge of the highest branches of government we're basically doomed anyway and I'd take even a small victory at this point!  Kyle made the stand that many of us are unwilling to do so instead we just watch our cities burn via the internet and television.

[Dee]

If the brave young man isn't crucified by the leftist bonfires who want their pound of flesh it'll be a win. After all how dare he interrupt their chaos and mayhem protest. At the end of the day if our fearless law enforcement had been there doing their damn JOB Kyle Rittenhouse wouldn't have been there in the first place... After a stolen election, with leftist loons in charge of the highest branches of government we're basically doomed anyway and I'd take even a small victory at this point!  Kyle made the stand that many of us are unwilling to do so instead we just watch our cities burn via the internet and television.

I'm sure if you asked these fearless law enforcement officers your referring to about doing their damn JOB, they would agree with you.
The law enforcement officers not doing their damn JOB, were ordered  to not engage, and ordered to STAND DOWN.

Anyone unaware of Democratic ran cities, and states, crippling, disbanding, defunding, and cutting authority of their police to do their damn JOB, ain't paying attention.

Prosecutors in Democratic ran cities are the ones INTENTIONALLY not doing their damn JOB.

Kenosha Wisconsin is a democratic ran city. Get it?

I'm 100% behind Kyle Rittinhouse, but police aren't allowed to enforce rioting laws in Kenosha Wisconsin, and Democratic prosecutors INTENTIONALLY aren't doing their damn JOB in that regard. 

Lets put the blame where it belongs.

[Northwoods]

If the brave young man isn't crucified by the leftist bonfires who want their pound of flesh it'll be a win. After all how dare he interrupt their chaos and mayhem protest. At the end of the day if our fearless law enforcement had been there doing their damn JOB Kyle Rittenhouse wouldn't have been there in the first place... After a stolen election, with leftist loons in charge of the highest branches of government we're basically doomed anyway and I'd take even a small victory at this point!  Kyle made the stand that many of us are unwilling to do so instead we just watch our cities burn via the internet and television.

I'm sure if you asked these fearless law enforcement officers your referring to about doing their damn JOB, they would agree with you.
The law enforcement officers not doing their damn JOB, were ordered  to not engage, and ordered to STAND DOWN.

Anyone unaware of Democratic ran cities, and states, crippling, disbanding, defunding, and cutting authority of their police to do their damn JOB, ain't paying attention.

Prosecutors in Democratic ran cities are the ones INTENTIONALLY not doing their damn JOB.

Kenosha Wisconsin is a democratic ran city. Get it?

I'm 100% behind Kyle Rittinhouse, but police aren't allowed to enforce rioting laws in Kenosha Wisconsin, and Democratic prosecutors INTENTIONALLY aren't doing their damn JOB in that regard. 

Lets put the blame where it belongs.

I'm pretty sure you should've realized my comment is out of frustration Dee? I know about the stand down orders given but I would also ask where was the uproar and outrage from our law enforcement across the board being told to sit on their hands while innocent folks are hurt maimed and killed and their livelihoods leveled and turned to ashes? These riots have occurred all across the country and not just in blue states.. My other question would be how many more cities will burn while we still have to do their damn jobs for them again? The blame belongs with us for not demanding more out of our fearless leaders and civil servants.

[Dee]

Have you not seen the interviews of law enforcement officials and officers complaining that they are being undermined, underfunded, and even prosecuted and jailed for doing their job?

Fentanyl killed ole George, but 4 officers are in jail for it.

Everybody is frustrated. But the thin blue line is getting thinner by the day. 

Police officers aren't letting repeat criminals and rioters out with no bail. Prosecutors and politicians are.

Credit should be, where credit is due.

[Northwoods]

Dee you're preaching to the choir but so long as folks are being victimized while law enforcement twiddle their thumbs I'm nobody's cheering section anymore.. As I pointed out this isn't just happening in blue states. Nobody supports law enforcement more than I so long as they protect and serve in the jobs they signed up for. They also need to stop accosting people for mask mandates or arresting church preachers as well this really gets under my skin as well..

[Dee]

Well I'm actually not trying to preach to anyone, or even change anyones mind.
I'm giving my opinion concerning an environment I know  a lot  about first hand.

I personally think law enforcement officers should turn in their badges, go home  and let the public fend for themselves about 2 weeks.

Let the public figure out for themselves how to go to work every day, while at the same time, protect their families, and property/possessions at the same time.
It would be quite the educational experience for many, and they would find out pretty quickly just what police officers do, even in todays crazy environment.

In the current environment, peace officers are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

Regardless of city administrations, and policies, the police get the blame.
Been there, done that.

Early retirements, and career changes are at an epidemic stage in law enforcement due to "lack of support".
I don't blame'em.

[Lloyd Smale]

I dont think police sit on there hands because they dont believe in what there doing or dont want to do anything. Police is run like the military. You follow orders of your superiors. Who in turn follow the orders of politicians. In these cases there hands are tied by people above them. They are more then willing to do the job they signed up for but are told if they do they will be scrutinized by a bunch of liberals assholes that very likely will take the food out of there familys mouth and possibly even put THEM in jail. I hardly blame them for sitting on there hands. Even with that said its a very small percentage of police officers that dont give a 100 percent and dont care about the people they are protecting. 

Dee you're preaching to the choir but so long as folks are being victimized while law enforcement twiddle their thumbs I'm nobody's cheering section anymore.. As I pointed out this isn't just happening in blue states. Nobody supports law enforcement more than I so long as they protect and serve in the jobs they signed up for. They also need to stop accosting people for mask mandates or arresting church preachers as well this really gets under my skin as well..

[Northwoods]

Well I'm actually not trying to preach to anyone, or even change anyones mind.
I'm giving my opinion concerning an environment I know  a lot  about first hand.

I personally think law enforcement officers should turn in their badges, go home  and let the public fend for themselves about 2 weeks.

Well we're already getting a good taste of the public fending for ourselves in many riot zones across America. In many cases as I've pointed out we're already on our own against the mobs.  I do agree with your spirited debate in theory whether you're preaching or not. Thank you for your two cents Dee.