our minority problem

[Lloyd Smale]

up here we dont have many mexicans or blacks. Our problem is the indians. They get what is basicaly welfare from the government. Dont pay taxes. Get free homes, get kickbacks from the casinos and are the driving force behind the push to shut down the pipeline. Why? Because they dont pay gas tax and most of them have there heating bills paid for by the tribe. They get free medical and dental and so do all there children. They get 5 deer licenses for every member of there family and all other fish and game license's for free. Years ago they all called themselves french canadian because they were ashamed to admit they were native americans. Now with all the free stuff there suddenly proud.to be Indians. Kind of comical driving by the tribal center on food package day. Whole parking lot full of new cars and trucks.  Another thing ive noticed is you NEVER see one in any christian church up here. Wonder how long it will be before they start the critical race bs. Giving them all this crap is no different then giving it to the blacks because there ansestors were slaves. Its money given directly from our taxes. Not a indian alive today that is oppressed by the white devils. Why should my tax dollars go to them. I can even live with all there freebees but what gets me is 90 percent of them are liberals that back the new green deal. Nothing but another socialist liberal welfare program. Only differnce is they dont even have to pump out babys. https://earthjustice.org/news/press/2020/native-american-rights-fund-and-earthjustice-join-the-bay-mills-indian-community-to-fight-against-oil-pipeline#:~:text=Bay%20Mills%2C%20Michigan%20%E2%80%94%20Today%20Earthjustice%20and%20the,would%20threaten%20communities%2C%20local%20businesses%2C%20and%20the%20environment.

[ironglow]

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   In my home county, ther are 3 reservations, I will not place a blanket of blame on the Indians.  I have friends who  are basically Iroquois..primarily Seneca., and they are not living on the res.
   
   They do have an edge on the rest of us, in that they can choose, whether they want to live on the res, or just go ahead and meld into the general population, off the res.
   Yes, on the res..they get freebies..and they do play the citizen/non-citizen game.  US citizens when they want bennies...soveriegn nation, when that works in their interest.
  Here abouts, we drive to and through the reservation, and most don't even notice the difference.  Althjough in some areas the res looks a bit shabby and run down.  I don't blame that on the character of the people, but rather so much as their style of government.

   From what I understand (and I could be corrected), they have a form of socialism, and property is tribal, rather than personal.  So if a man can have a home today and lose it over to the tribe next year...that wouldn't encourage the best upkeeping habits.

  Reservations in the western states seem to have more problems, but much of that comes back to the federal government, which apparently for political reasons, have treated the Indians as unwelcome step children, offering bennies, just to hush them up.

  When treaties were made ..and many broken, things were far different.  Here,the treaties called for so many yards of printed cloth and certain food stuffs annjally, in perpetuity...but the politicians are bomd to make them wards of the state, by handing out "goodies".

  We have seen it with many groups..  If you pay them not to work, many will take advbantage of that bennie, and it doesn't matter their ethnicity !   ...And.... "Idle hands are the devil's workshop!".
   
     Personally, I would rather see them absorbed into the general culture, but they do have treaties (promises) which we are duty bound to uphold..and haven't been the best at doing.

  After retirement, I worked 3-4 years for a local hardware and I often had poeople from the res stop by.  They could stock up on goods and pay no sales tax.  That bothered me not inthe least..a promise made is a promise to be kept !  ..Besides, I'm not a big sales tax fan, since many more ethical states don't have such a thing.

   Whether north, south,  west, just keep in mind, nobody is bound to the reservation!  So if they start complaining just remember, they have the luxury of choosing

[mcbammer]

   Indians down south  pull in millions a day thru the gambling industry . They have built a powerfull lobby . And are crooked as a dogs hind leg .  I dont know how they divee up the profits amongst themselves . but  none should be living in poverty  or in need of a Gov. freebies.

[Lloyd Smale]

totaly agree

[Dee]

   Indians down  pull in millions a day thru the gambling industry. none should be living in poverty  or in need of a Gov. freebies.

Pretty much agree with that part.

The Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and Creek in Oklahoma are well organized.

They not only don't get "government freebies" they contribute funds to the public schools, and county structure maintenance.
They furnish housing, medical and dental, along with medicines, and even collage tuition to tribal members.
The governor of Oklahoma recently took them to court wanting to take control of the gambling.
He was beaten in court because so many whites sided with the 5 tribes saying, the state government would squander the revenue while the tribes made sure the money was used for the tribal members, and local city, and county needs.

[phalanx]

In Clovis, Curry county we don't have a lot of illegals here. They like to migrate further south were the oil fields are. We have some oil field but not like down south.

[Dee]

When you get down around Carlsbad into Pecos TX, the highways are a wrecking yard of wrecks.
Oil companies hiring illegals to drive water trucks, and making it dangerous on those 2 laners.

[BUGEYE]

I’ll trade you a million black folks for a million injuns.
And I’ll throw in a few asians at no charge.

[Lloyd Smale]

no thanks

I’ll trade you a million black folks for a million injuns.
And I’ll throw in a few asians at no charge.

[ironglow]

   Indians down south  pull in millions a day thru the gambling industry . They have built a powerfull lobby . And are crooked as a dogs hind leg .  I dont know how they divee up the profits amongst themselves . but  none should be living in poverty  or in need of a Gov. freebies.

  I believe you guys are pretty much correct in the above statement, and I understand there is a fair rebate for each member of the tribe.
   ..And yes, every now and then the state wants to bite back into gambling casino business.  It seems each new governor casts greedy eyes on all that money...and wants a slice.

   I don't visit the casinos, since I have zero interest in gambling, but it seems each tribe of the six nations has a casino....or two.
      The deal made with the tribes years ago, said the Indians could have exclusive rights to casinos in the state,
   However they were to turn over a percentage of the profits each year...  political greed crops up.

   I am not in favor of the state taking control of any of the casinos, for the reasons stated above.  ..Besides, handing over more revenue to government is often like throwing gasoline on a fire...just burns it up...and looks around for more !  ..And besides, a promise is a promise, if you don't want to keep your promises...don't make them!
    ..That is NOT to say that in general, broken promises are all on one side.  The res has competing political
     parties too .

 

   

[pastorp]

I’ll trade you a million black folks for a million injuns.
And I’ll throw in a few asians at no charge.

Now that’s a novel idea. Bug…..

[BUGEYE]

I’ll trade you a million black folks for a million injuns.
And I’ll throw in a few asians at no charge.

Now that’s a novel idea. Bug…..

Heh, I really shouldn’t have said that, but I am surrounded by liberal blacks who keep voting in murdering politicians and my heart goes out to the innocent babies who are butchered by them in proxy.

[pastorp]

I’m well aware of the political unrest in the Atlanta area. I have a daughter & her family that lives there. So I understand where your coming from Bug.

[Dee]

If you eliminate "Welfare" you will have a period of civil unrest, and crime will spike.
If law enforcement is allowed to handle both in a legal, reasonable way, it will subside.
Then the lazy will be reminded of the BIBLICAL teaching of, if you don't work, you don't eat.
Young men coming home from work, don't usually feel like rioting.

LBJ, a "white boy" started this with his "War on Poverty".
Obama "double clutched" it with his anti police, and "fundamental change".

Did I mention both were Democrats?

[Ranger99]

The people that warned of the welfare
system starting a dangerous downhill
trend decades ago were called nazi's
and kluxers and fascists etc. , now
 look at what's become of things.
People have talked about the border
jumpers and all the "refugees " coming
here, and now people are finally starting
to see what the few were trying to say
about the problems they've brought.
Who'd have ever thought that there would
be elected officials in DC openly embracing
tossing the Constitution in favor of
full blown socialism/communism?
There was some that warned of that back
before I was born and they were ridiculed
and despised then too.
Pretty much too late now

[phalanx]

Welfare has made generations of bums. LBJ, and his grand society. My parents never did like him.

[ironglow]

  .
       " LBJ, a "white boy" started this with his "War on Poverty".
Obama "double clutched" it with his anti police, and "fundamental change".

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  Two of the worst creatures ever to hold the office...  Old Jimmy was bad too...but be was just in over his head...  But those other two were nothing but rabble-rising dividers..filled with hatred...

[orerancher]

Remember LBJ's Famous quote about what They were Doin with the 'Great Society'' Act? 

[ironglow]

Remember LBJ's Famous quote about what They were Doin with the 'Great Society'' Act?
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    ....And they forgot how often he used the big, bad old "N" word...as they picked up their bennies...

[Land_Owner]

...if you don't work, you don't eat...

[emphasis added]

SO emphatically TRUE!  I vote to STOP WELFARE.  Certainly, some will be abused in that...some with REAL NEEDS.  It is hoped that local charity, church, and community would come to their aid - as it should have been from the Get Go.  The rest can suffer from their own failures in this age of everybody works as there are JOBS aplenty.

[Lloyd Smale]

welfare should only be offered if theres proof there are absolutely no job openings. Today we have job openings EVERYWHERE and not just burger flippers. Constrution contractors around here are screaming for workers. Even saw where the local chev garage had an add in the paper that they need auto techs and will give a 5k signing bonus thats payable after one year of employment and they will send you to school on there dime and pay you while in school  to get certified.

[Land_Owner]

Some companies educate their associates on the company dime but tend not to pay the highest wages.  Turnover becomes problematic until the company realizes its mistake.  That does not eliminate the training provided to the associate. Military service is not unlike this practice.

[Dee]

...if you don't work, you don't eat...

[emphasis added]

SO emphatically TRUE!  I vote to STOP WELFARE.  Certainly, some will be abused in that...some with REAL NEEDS.  It is hoped that local charity, church, and community would come to their aid - as it should have been from the Get Go.  The rest can suffer from their own failures in this age of everybody works as there are JOBS aplenty.

That's the way it was before LBJ, and his "war on poverty".
A sack of groceries found on the porch in the morning, or a very liberal charge account at a grocery store.
Unknown people paying for kids lunch tickets at school.
Now, "WELFARE" checks, and food cards, and free phones, and free government housing, and free medical, and oops! theres another baby, here's some more money.
No accountability for misuse of welfare, instead unlimited leisure time for things like "reproduction".

[Lloyd Smale]

welfare is the fastest growing career choice in this country today. Im waiting for biden to pass a bill saying that anyone on welfare is considered employed so he can pat himself on the back for low unemployment rates.

[Dixie-Dude]

Four trillion dollars since 1965 has been spent on welfare and food stamps.  We had 13% poverty in the US in 1960.  Today we have 13% poverty in the US.  Hasn't done a bit of good.  Welfare should only be given to the disabled and those that are temporally out of work and only for a short time until they get a job, just like unemployment compensation.  I also think they should do away with food stamps and go back to commodities.  The government should stockpile food anyway in case of some type of national emergency or war instead of paying farmers not to grow food, just buy excess to keep prices up for the farmers and store it.  There will be good and bad years.  Bad years it can be distributed to places such as schools and hospitals.  This would be canned and dry goods.  Frozen foods such as meat is another matter. 

The food stamp recipients changing to commodities will get tired of having to cook and go to work. 

Anyway, bringing factories back home to America would allow the poor to get real jobs paying good enough money to provide a decent living.  I'm thinking low skilled workers in the textile and shoe industry especially. 

Another beef of mine is we don't really need transient farm workers.  We should grow vegetables in greenhouses like Holland who is the 3rd largest exporter of food in the world.  Wheat, corn, and rice do not really need transient farm workers as we have machines to do that.  This would cut down on a lot of illegals, maybe.  40% of food in the US was grown in backyard gardens during WWII, so there is that if it could be encouraged somehow by the government, say by cutting property taxes if you grow food in your back yard or allowing tax credits on your income tax. 

FDR, a democrat, would not give welfare money, when asked by the far left.  He said people would loose the work ethic, so they created a jobs program with massive public works programs like highways, planting trees, bridges, hydroelectric power dams, etc. 

They say more people are not working today, and we have some shortages of things due to logistics issues.  Well cut the welfare and use the money to fix the logistics problems with new roads, bridges, port facilities, and encouraging factories to come back to America. 

[mcbammer]

 Think its bad now ? , wait until Bidens BBB bill gets passed . 

[scattershot]

Welfare has made generations of bums. LBJ, and his grand society. My parents never did like him.

LBJ was a disgusting crook.  I didn’t like him either.

[Dee]

Most folks don't realize just how corrupt, and morally bankrupt Lyndon Baines Johnson really was.
Older Texans do.

[oldandslow]

Being an older Texan I well remember LBJ. MY farther that seldom ever said a curse word told my son one time after he asked about LBJ that he was "the worst SOB ever produced by Texas" and I heartily agree with that statement.

[Bob Riebe]

As far as the acts of American Indians towards the U.S. government, I look at it this way, what goes around comes around, so any misery the Indians may cause, pay backs are a bitch.

But as I was told by an Indian from Montana, any tense relations between Indians and the Caucasian pop. are brought on by the same type of god wannbe leaders in Indian politics that run the Democratic Party.