THe vaccination controversey..

[ironglow]

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  Lots of babble going back and forth.  Tucker choses a Doctor/Scientist who he believes to be a fair minded man, and after watching the whole 2.25 hours, I tend to heartily agree with Tucker.

  This doctor is highly qualified in many fields, including 10 years specializing in immunology.  He says vaccination is not for everybody, and some can get hurt by it.

  He says most won't be hurt, but cannot promise long range.  ..But keep in mind, he was not on any approval or disapproval board.

   He seems totally a-poiltical, and just seems to tell-it-like-it-is..  A few points he made.....

 1) Natural immunity is better, more effective than vaccination.

 2) People who gained immunity naturally, should not take vaccination.

 3) The testing did not include effects on pregnant women.

 4) THe RNA base is between DNA and protein.  RNA cannot go back to disturb DNA, but must go on  to protein
     Itis a one-way trip.  It is also very fragile and breaks down quickly.  That's why it was originally kept atsuper low temperatures.

   Whole discussion very enlightening to those willing to learn.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyj7IFcqa40

[phalanx]

I have natural immunity. Certified by Doctors in Lubbock TX. And I have religious objections about the vax.
As well as political. In other words I ain't gonna get the jab, no way.

[phalanx]

Me too.

I also object to de-population euthanasia and crimes against humanity.
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I think we are on the same ship.

[gene_225]

Me too.

I also object to de-population euthanasia and crimes against humanity.
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Blame China for that one.

[ironglow]

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  Is it possible that the CCP and the Demonrats have created a virus that keeps mutating, increasing their chances to keep the population in subjection.

[Dixie-Dude]

Just saw The Glen Beck Show.  They did a piece on the Amish in Pennsylvania.  They didn't get the shots.  90% of them got Covid, probably due to using the same communion cup passed around.  They got over it real fast and were back in full operation by May of last year.  They got both the antibodies and the T cell immunity so they did fine.  Never shut down.  Hmm.  Sweden never shut down and their stats are lower or about the same as England who shut down. 

Looking at the stats from various countries and the individual states in the US.  Whether you shut down or not, didn't seem to really mater.  About the same percentage got covid.  Masks, washing hands and keeping distance while staying open seems to work just as well as shutting everything down.  So shutting down the economy didn't really work. 

Preventative measures like vitamin D, vitamin C, and zinc supplements seem to work to ward it off or have lesser symptoms if you get it.  Why are they not pushing this. 

Also, everyone knows Ivermectin or using hydroxy and zinc together at the FIRST sign of symptoms seems to lesson the symptoms and help you get over it faster, but the CDC will not approve it because they have not studied it enough and haven't even tried. 

[scattershot]

Well, I got the first two shots, because my wife wanted to. She got the booster, but I didn’t. I’m done. If the vaccine works, I don’t need the next shot , and if it doesn’t, why bother? BTW, I’m 75, in reasonably good health, and I think we’re being played.

I think this will all be over soon anyway, because we’re about out of letters in the Greek alphabet.

[ironglow]

Well, I got the first two shots, because my wife wanted to. She got the booster, but I didn’t. I’m done. If the vaccine works, I don’t need the next shot , and if it doesn’t, why bother? BTW, I’m 75, in reasonably good health, and I think we’re being played.

I think this will all be over soon anyway, because we’re about out of letters in the Greek alphabet.

  .. 'Bout where I am at !  No booster, primarily because there are so many lies being published by Fauci &Co.
  So much hypocrisy by the "leaders", who "mandate" restrictions on the people..but ignore same themselves.
   
  Then there is the overnight halting of Covid, by Ivermectin ...a drug forbidden by Fauci & Co..

  They are so afraid people may find how well it works...they have banned it's sales in supply stores..

   Just about 2&1/2 hours ago..I found out rhat a pastor who attends our church..a fellow elder, has come down with Covid...and he had his vax !

 
   

[Dixie-Dude]

Well, the new Omicron variant is resistant to the vaccine.  Fox News in talks with a South African doctor in which he said it is highly transmissable, like 5 times higher than the Delta variant.  HOWEVER it hasn't killed anyone and the symptoms are milder.  Muscle aches and pains, a sore throat, but no loss of taste or smell.  Lasts about 7-10 days.  The media is having a frenzy over this and want to close doors and everything.  If symptoms are mild and it hasn't killed anyone, they just want CONTROL over the people and the economy.  Communists is what they are.  Even NAZI's knew you had to have capitalism for a great economy.  Communists think only the government can run everything and equally distribute things. 

This Omicron variant if it affects everyone, they might get immunity to the other variants and it will end up being no more than a common cold or flu. 

[oldandslow]

There is no controversy over the vaccine in my family. From grandma and I down through kids, grandkids, and great grand kids none of us have taken the so called vaccine and will not take it. Pound sand, CDC, president, governor, or doctor.

[Mule 11]

There is no controversy over the vaccine in my family. From grandma and I down through kids, grandkids, and great grand kids none of us have taken the so called vaccine and will not take it. Pound sand, CDC, president, governor, or doctor.

Could not have said it better myself. Well. Maybe. Butt I’d have to really scratch the grey matter.

[DDZ]

They are going to make the Omicron variant a big deal so they keep the fear among the sheep high. As long as there is fear,  people will be lining up for more jabs, without even questioning what harm they might do.   Fear is what drives people to get a jab without question.

[Mule 11]

They are going to make the Omicron variant a big deal so they keep the fear among the sheep high. As long as there is fear,  people will be lining up for more jabs, without even questioning what harm they might do.   Fear is what drives people to get a jab without question.

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Yup, the Plandemic is a real terror and fear psy-op.  A spell craft operation, but I think the narrative may be starting to crumble, at least we better hope it crumbles.
I'm still surprised people spend more time studying up on what lawn mower to buy then what junk they're going to have forever shot into their arms, OR THEIR CHILDREN'S ARM..
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They get their information from the same trough they have been wallowing at for years regardless of how many times they’ve been lied to. The epitome of stupidity...

[DDZ]

They are going to make the Omicron variant a big deal so they keep the fear among the sheep high. As long as there is fear,  people will be lining up for more jabs, without even questioning what harm they might do.   Fear is what drives people to get a jab without question.

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Yup, the Plandemic is a real terror and fear psy-op.  A spell craft operation, but I think the narrative may be starting to crumble, at least we better hope it crumbles.
I'm still surprised people spend more time studying up on what lawn mower to buy then what junk they're going to have forever shot into their arms, OR THEIR CHILDREN'S ARM..
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Yeah really. I know people that fuss over every little thing they eat, and claim many foods are harmful, or poison. Yet those same people run out and get the fake vaccine that was developed in less than a year, and did not have complete trials. Also there is zero information on the longer term effects of the fake vaccine. Its really amazing what fear does to people, and its obvious our Marxist government and the media play on peoples fear to get people to line up for what they call a vaccine.  They will have no problem loading the cattle cars.

 

[DDZ]

The covid vaccine failure.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/12/the_vaccine_failure.html

[DDZ]

The question is just how 'experimental' these so-called vaccines really are. It's looking like the vax purveyors know exactly what these serums do, especially the adverse affects. Dr. David Martin has tracked the development and patents for these vaxxines back to 2015; even as far back as 2001. It appears more obvious, especially how they push these toxic jabs 24 hours a day, that Plandemic was indeed planned. In fact, it looks like the Plandemic plot is basically "vaxxines and narrative looking for a virus"!

Then consider this:

Yeah, really! Never thought of that aspect. Actually it would take a little longer than 32 years, since a billion seconds is around 32 years and 4 months. 

In developing a vaccine money isn't the main factor. Time is, and they supposedly pushed this fake vaccine out in less than a year.  People will call it a conspiracy theory. Fact is I don't trust anything our now Marxist government, and media say anymore. 

[ironglow]

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   From what i eard on the right wing radio while driving today;

  The virus will keep on mutating, but getting weaker each time it does.

[DDZ]

Info from the latest data dump into Vaers. 

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/vaccine-cult-exposed-by-governments-own-data-more-than-50-of-all-vaccine-adverse-reactions-reported-for-past-30-years-have-occurred-in-past-11-months-following-covid-19-shots/

[Lloyd Smale]

amazes me a good old boy, meat eating, beer drinking hard living man would worry about a poke in the arm. Seems it would be more likely to come from some kale and tofu eating fruit cake. Or someone who wears a tin foil hat. Me ill eat meat wont waste 2 minutes looking up whether it hurts me or not and i sure wont spend hours a day looking up bs about some vaccine. If i die from covid OR i die from the shot its Gods will. I sure cant change that. Its why ive been on the side of those that think both sides are right and both sides are wrong. You listen to the internet and ill listen to my doctor. Maybe one of us will die. Maybe neither of us. Id about bet its the latter. 

They are going to make the Omicron variant a big deal so they keep the fear among the sheep high. As long as there is fear,  people will be lining up for more jabs, without even questioning what harm they might do.   Fear is what drives people to get a jab without question.

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Yup, the Plandemic is a real terror and fear psy-op.  A spell craft operation, but I think the narrative may be starting to crumble, at least we better hope it crumbles.
I'm still surprised people spend more time studying up on what lawn mower to buy then what junk they're going to have forever shot into their arms, OR THEIR CHILDREN'S ARM..
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Yeah really. I know people that fuss over every little thing they eat, and claim many foods are harmful, or poison. Yet those same people run out and get the fake vaccine that was developed in less than a year, and did not have complete trials. Also there is zero information on the longer term effects of the fake vaccine. Its really amazing what fear does to people, and its obvious our Marxist government and the media play on peoples fear to get people to line up for what they call a vaccine.  They will have no problem loading the cattle cars.

[ironglow]

Info from the latest data dump into Vaers. 

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/vaccine-cult-exposed-by-governments-own-data-more-than-50-of-all-vaccine-adverse-reactions-reported-for-past-30-years-have-occurred-in-past-11-months-following-covid-19-shots/

   ...But, let's be realistic; here we are looking at ALL vaccinations over the last 30 years, irunning from many, many millions into billions of people.  OK, there have been reactions in the many thousands, ranging from fatal to mild, even almost unnoticed.

    Let's look again at vaccinations for Rabies, tetanus, cholera, polio, typhoid, smallpox, influenza, yellow fever, malaria,  diptheria, shingles, dnue, anthrax, and etc., etc.....
    I submit that the benefits of vaccinations over the years have been far more beneficial than can be estimated !
  Therefore, I must consider that article as somewhat misleading ....

   I have been so bombarded with propaganda (from both sides) that my head is about to split.  Only difference iI see..  The anti-vaxers are sincere in their rejection, but accept some hyperbole, while the government sources seem to be outright lying.
      I had my regular visit with my GP just yesterday..  He believes inthe vaccines, but admits there is much BS coming out of Washington, but  the science, he considers the benefit of the vaccine to be worth more than any risks. I told him I have the Initial two shot Phiza furnished by the VA, but am not going for a booster.
  He was not alarmed and did not voice any disagreement.

   Meanwhile, Dr Oz running as Republican for senate in Pennsylvania..seems to be a smart, level headed guy..

   https://www.businessinsider.com/dr-oz-senate-campaign-touted-trump-vaccine-program-in-announcement-2021-11

[phalanx]

Do you think there may be a sinister lab somewhere who is creating these variants? It wouldn't surprise me.
They do seem to pop up out of nowhere, but that's only my suspicious theory it hasn't been proven.   

[Dee]

Flu viruses have morfed into lesser varieties for hundreds of years.

This one (covid-19) is apparently no different.

[phalanx]

Flu viruses have morfed into lesser varieties for hundreds of years.

This one (covid-19) is apparently no different.

Still, all in all this mess has been poorly handled. Mostly with lies and empty promises.

[Mule 11]

I watched those around me immediately submit to tyranny and could not be more disappointed in them. I would hope this was only a local group and not nationwide.