Texas Castle Doctrine And An Assault

[Dee]

This video was sent to me askin what I thought.
The Lubbock Police Department was apparently alright with the shooting, but I personally couldn't see enough to have an opinion, other than the shootee should have got in his pickup and left when new husband came out with a rifle, instead of threatening to take it away from him.
The deceaseds' wife I believe is a Texas state district judge and was sitting in the pickup also videoing the incident.
This for sure is somebody thinking the homeowner is bluffing, and being "dead wrong".
In Texas, one has the right to self defense, and defense of family, and property.

https://youtu.be/OmgYvOD-7d8

[Mule 11]

Wish I could see the video. Have to sign in and confirm age.

[Dee]

Wish I could see the video. Have to sign in and confirm age.

[Dee]

Should be able to click on I understand bar. It's a local news release video.

[Mule 11]

Looked it up and saw it. Wow.

[Dee]

When a man tells you to leave, you should leave.

[oldandslow]

Was this the Chad Read shooting? I managed to run the video of this down on KCBD' website as I couldn't see the youtube video.

[Dee]

Yes it was.

[phalanx]

I was able to see it but it did a lot of buffering.

[Dee]

That may be your internet service.

[ironglow]

Should be able to click on I understand bar. It's a local news release video.

  No "I understand" bar to click upon..

[mcbammer]

   Passions run high in domestic violence and common sense is out the window .

[Dee]

   Passions run high in domestic violence and common sense is out the window .

Agreed, I've seen some crazy things answering domestic calls. You never know what you're going to find, see, or get into.

[mcbammer]

   Passions run high in domestic violence and common sense is out the window .

Agreed, I've seen some crazy things answering domestic calls. You never know what you're going to find, see, or get into.

Yes ,  I heard  of  Police stepping in to break up a dispute an both sides turn on  and attack him .

[Dee]

   Passions run high in domestic violence and common sense is out the window .

Agreed, I've seen some crazy things answering domestic calls. You never know what you're going to find, see, or get into.

Yes ,  I heard  of  Police stepping in to break up a dispute an both sides turn on  and attack him .

LOL, Many times. My partner and I pulled a big husband off his little wife, whom he was beating the snot out of in her kitchen floor.
While we were trying to get control of him, she stabbed me from behind with an ice pick. She went to jail also.

[Mule 11]

   Passions run high in domestic violence and common sense is out the window .

Agreed, I've seen some crazy things answering domestic calls. You never know what you're going to find, see, or get into.

Yes ,  I heard  of  Police stepping in to break up a dispute an both sides turn on  and attack him .

LOL, Many times. My partner and I pulled a big husband off his little wife, whom he was beating the snot out of in her kitchen floor.
While we were trying to get control of him, she stabbed me from behind with an ice pick. She went to jail also.

Heard something like that once, butt, it was a hair pick and the woman stuck it in his scalp. Yikes.

[oldandslow]

Should be able to click on I understand bar. It's a local news release video.

  No "I understand" bar to click upon..

Same for me. That is why I had to run it down with google.

This could have been prevented by the man and woman going in the house, closing the door, calling the cops and letting them do their job. Nope, testosterone got the better of the situation, one guy is dead, and the other is facing a huge lawsuit I would imagine. The time to shoot would have been if the guy broke the door down.

[Dee]

Texas has "The Castle Doctrine" retreat is not required.

AND, like ALL HEAVILY EDITED YOUTUBE VIDEO, we didn't get the whole picture.
However, the Lubbock Police Department was comfortable with making the call, and there is no doubt that a Lubbock County Grand Jury will get the unedited version. THEY are the folks that will make the final call. And that is the way it should be.

[oldandslow]

As I am aware. It probably could have been prevented by just going inside and closing and locking the door.

[Mule 11]

As I am aware. It probably could have been prevented by just going inside and closing and locking the door.

Yeah but that is retreating and they were enemies and the dead guy was trespassing and provoking. Sure it could have been avoided. Maybe.

[Dee]

Yep! Hindsight is always 2020, but then again, I never judge a man for a fight I wasn't in.
Whatever that Grand Jury decides is what will stand. Thats why we get'em.

[billy_56081]

   Passions run high in domestic violence and common sense is out the window .

Agreed, I've seen some crazy things answering domestic calls. You never know what you're going to find, see, or get into.

Yes ,  I heard  of  Police stepping in to break up a dispute an both sides turn on  and attack him .

LOL, Many times. My partner and I pulled a big husband off his little wife, whom he was beating the snot out of in her kitchen floor.
While we were trying to get control of him, she stabbed me from behind with an ice pick. She went to jail also.

On live pd I remember an episode where a female officer showed up to a domestic disturbance call. She was hands on and controlling the male when the female jumped on her. She proceeded to handle the female and male all by herself until back up arrived.  I was impressed to say the least.

[oldandslow]

As I am aware. It probably could have been prevented by just going inside and closing and locking the door.

Yeah but that is retreating and they were enemies and the dead guy was trespassing and provoking. Sure it could have been avoided. Maybe.

Like said before: go in the house and call the cops. If the aggressor breaks down the door then it's time to shoot him--or her.

[VA Rifleman]

Thought poor tactics. Carbine guy too close. Disarm guy, pulling the muzzle towards him.

[Dee]

I think the homeowner thought if he got his rifle out the big guy would leave.

I've laughed every time I've heard that old myth: "ya pump that ole pump shotgun and they skedaddle".

That line of thinking then,  is as dumb as it is now. Some folks ain't afraid of the shotgun.

It all goes back to that 2020 hindsight, the old "coulda-shoulda-woulda", and not being privy to ALL the video.

We'll just have to wait and see what that Grand Jury decides.

[mcbammer]

As I am aware. It probably could have been prevented by just going inside and closing and locking the door.

Yeah but that is retreating and they were enemies and the dead guy was trespassing and provoking. Sure it could have been avoided. Maybe.

Like said before: go in the house and call the cops. If the aggressor breaks down the door then it's time to shoot him--or her.

  The shooting,  being outside and the big guy unarmed  might have some bearing on the case . But I know nothing about Texas law .

[Dee]

Did u watch the video? The reporter explained the Castle Doctrine.

[mcbammer]

Did u watch the video? The reporter explained the Castle Doctrine.

yes, I stopped after the two shots were fired , Went back an watched it  all .  Keep us up to date on the outcome .

[Dee]

When folks bring trouble to your home, if they get away with it, they'll do it again, and again.
Its kinda like a "protective order". Hold that up in front of you when they come at you, and see if it helps.

Its easy to say walk away to somebody else in their yard.
Would you let somebody run you in the house, out of your own yard? I wouldn't.

I ain't gonna judge the man not seeing the entire video, and not hearing everything that was said.
I expect the Grand Jury will have everything  they need to come to the right conclusion.

[O-mega]

I think a case for manslaughter can be made.  First he retreats inside the house, eliminating the threat, then he comes out with the rifle reengaging.  He then shoots at the victims feet, then when the victim grabs the rifle, he steps back and shoots him twice.