Leftist pos Alec Baldwin kills woman and wounds another

[Mule 11]

Nothing more about this...

[Mule 11]

Well. He did cry whilst saying it. Has this stopped his liberal attacks on the second amendment? I doubt it. How about his attacks on Donald Trump? This guy is a actor errr pos actor.

[Dee]

Every semiautomatic pistol has either a hammer, or a striker. Both have to be cocked to work. Just like a revolver.

[mcbammer]

Every semiautomatic pistol has either a hammer, or a striker. Both have to be cocked to work. Just like a revolver.

True , I saw where a lady dropped her purse an her semi - auto went off  . I'll stick with  the revolvers .

[Dee]

I worked 2 accidental deaths where both were from the deceased dropping their revolvers.
One a double action RG Rhome, and the other, a single action RG Rhome.

Remarkabley both were heart shots. The first, a 32 caliber, and the second a Christmas gift 22 caliber to the 15 year old victim on Christmas day.

[mcbammer]

I worked 2 accidental deaths where both were from the deceased dropping their revolvers.
One a double action RG Rhome, and the other, a single action RG Rhome.

Remarkabley both were heart shots. The first, a 32 caliber, and the second a Christmas gift 22 caliber to the 15 year old victim on Christmas day.

  I could see where that could happen ,   dropping and hitting directly on the hammer muzzle up . 

[Dand]

What a pile of crap and lies.  The hammer had to fall hard enough to fire the primer.  The gun was pointed at the victim. He may have been handed a cocked (and obviously loaded) gun, and in some manner he caused the trigger to release the hammer and fire it.  Or he cocked and fired it.
Surely he would know the basics.  And as we all know he was a fool to trust anybody other than himself to confirm the gun was in a safe condition.

I have not heard a thing about the gun being dropped or otherwise banged around or snagged on something.
He's  lying to himself as well.

If he tries to sell some fairy tale that "it just went off" I hope he gets added penalties. 

[Dand]

I haven't handled near as many guns as many folks here but I've handled a bunch.  I have had 2 guns the "went off" on their own.

1) was a Rem 513 bolt action target rifle that someone had fooled with the trigger. This was in high school rifle club. It would fire just as I  fully closed the bolt. Since I was in prone position, muzzle pointing downrange at the back stop, no harm done but it rattled me. Not understanding I tried a second time w the safety on.  The trigger seemed to hold when I put the safety on then got fully settled to shoot. As I moved the safety to fire the gun fired - no finger near the trigger. One more try w safety on then off - same thing - bang.  I called the coach and we pulled that rifle off the line, removed the bolt and I believe coach took the rifle to a smith.  It sure rattled me and even with another properly functioning gun I shot poorly that practice day.

2) air rifle.  I partly documented this in the air rifle section on GB years ago. I sent the break barrel rifle to a well known smith but apparently his life was turned upside down with family issues. 2 years later and a bunch of letters, I got the rifle back, supposedly well tuned.  I scampered to the basement where I had a small range set up. Fired a couple pellets and the trigger was ultra light. Out of pellets I foolishly cocked the gun (see my error right there) then reached over the rifle for a pellet leaving my left thumb in the breach. It was an awkward reach and a slight jostle released the sear and about 1/4 of my left thumb was nearly guillotined by the barrel and breach snapping down on my thumb chopping a small chunk of bone off too.  A 5 hr wait at the ER ( bad timing - a lady was having a heart attack) my thumb was sewed back together. Back home I right away I  carefully loaded the gun BEFORE cocking, cocked the gun and the sear released as I began to shoulder the rifle.  And then one more time the sear released without touching the trigger.  2 holes in the sheet rock.  The sear engagement had been excessively reduced to where it couldn't safely hold the piston mechansim.  Luckily I was able to tighten the trigger back up to where the trigger held safely even with considerable test bumping and shaking and I have a  safe 3 or 4 pound trigger pull instead of a few ounce pull.  I'm not sure what happened to that smith - I emailed him about the problem to warn him. I never heard back.

3) I did fire a gun by mistake when I was small. I could barely cock the hammer on a single shot and in the process of using both thumbs, I got a finger on the trigger. So when the hammer slipped from my thumbs, the other finger was depressing the trigger, the hammer fell and fired the 22 shell. Luckily the rifle was pointed down range safely and I was shook up but learned.   All operator error.  The gun didn't "just go off" all by itself.

Could be interesting to follow this trial. Such a sad loss of the woman due to multiple people being careless it would appear.

[Buckskin]

It will be interesting to watch this unfold, lots of witnesses.  Don't forget about the workers who walked off set a week or so earlier because of unsafe practices.  I saw on the interview that he said he feels no guilt for what happened, regardless of how it happened that just shows what a pos Baldwin is and proves that the crying was totally fake.

[phalanx]

Those Winchester older model 12s were double action if you held down the trigger and racked it. It would fire if you did that. I used to have one that was my fathers gun.

[phalanx]

I still have my Dads pre 60s 3006. I use it for deer hunting. It's a tack driver with a 3x9 Weaver scope.

[Dee]

Debating, and pondering the obvious. Yaaawwwnnnn,

[Dee]

Debating, and pondering the obvious. Yaaawwwnnnn,

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Yeah, this is a forum, a lyceum where thought experiments and discussion takes place, and ideas and insights can occur spontaneously....

Not everybody has all the answers, but If you're bored or sleepy, why not sit this one out and take a nap.
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Well, I suppose I could. But is my opinion on all the pontificating not part of your described process?

My thought experiment is, who here doubts poor ole Alec pulled the trigger?

[Dee]

Well ole Alec is in my view, "salting the jury prospects" with an interview on one of the most liberal TV shows in the United States, hosted by a time honored leftist liberal.

My next question would be: How many here believe there is "any chance" of "any liberal media source" calling Alec Baldwin out? I of course include MSM.

[phalanx]

It's been reported by those who were there, that Baldwin had gotten into a big argument with that camera lady.
He knew exactly what he was doing, and that crying was a big put on.

[Dee]

When I see crying, I look for tears. No tears? Then its just "pretendin".
Which is what "actors" do.

Alec, says he didn't pull the trigger. Did he cock the hammer?

Of course he did.

[Mule 11]

Yep. Alec is a rooster, a cock, a worthless petcock... This was “the worst thing that ever happened to him”
Whine, snivel, snivel, whine. How could this happen to me? Ohhh, poor me... “it wasn’t my fault” snivel, snivel, pursed lips...

[Dixie-Dude]

Older revolvers with the firing pins in the hammer can fall and hit on the hammer and fire.  That is why cowboys left one empty on the cylinder under the hammer.  Today most revolvers have a transfer bar that goes up under the hammer to avoid a misfire.  It has to be cocked before firing. 

[Mule 11]

Older revolvers with the firing pins in the hammer can fall and hit on the hammer and fire.  That is why cowboys left one empty on the cylinder under the hammer.  Today most revolvers have a transfer bar that goes up under the hammer to avoid a misfire.  It has to be cocked before firing.

Yep. Definitely. Cocked...

[billy_56081]

As much as I know about guns, replica SAA's are something I know little about.  Are there and SAA clones without hammer block safeties? 

[Mule 11]

As much as I know about guns, replica SAA's are something I know little about.  Are there and SAA clones without hammer block safeties?

I have a box of matches with a safety. Don’t strike it.

[billy_56081]

As much as I know about guns, replica SAA's are something I know little about.  Are there and SAA clones without hammer block safeties?

I have a box of matches with a safety. Don’t strike it.

I'm just wondering if SAA clones don't have a hammer block safety which would allow them to be fired with the trigger being pulled.

[DDZ]

Older revolvers with the firing pins in the hammer can fall and hit on the hammer and fire.  That is why cowboys left one empty on the cylinder under the hammer.  Today most revolvers have a transfer bar that goes up under the hammer to avoid a misfire.  It has to be cocked before firing.

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Yep, and if the revolver has a transfer bar system the trigger must be pulled in order to lower the transfer bar so the hammer can strike the firing pin. At least that's how I remember it works..
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Yep that is exactly how it works. The hammer has a notch where it does not rest on the firing pin when the hammer is down.  It was Ruger that designed the notched hammer and the transfer bar. They first introduced it in the New Model Ruger single actions in 1973. As you said the hammer has to be fully cocked, and the trigger pulled to move the transfer bar in an upward position so the bar transfers the hammers energy to the firing pin.  The gun used was a F.lli Pietta which is an 1873 replica of the Colt single action Army, and it does have a transfer bar similar to the Ruger design.  So unless the gun used was an old model, or it was damaged.  He had to pull the trigger for the gun to fire. I don't believe the Pietta on set was an old model. 

https://www.ktgunsmith.com/colt_clone.htm

[Dee]

If he pulled the hammer back to half cock, the cylinder would have indexed almost a half turn. The pistol in that position, could not have fired.

There are dozens of YouTube demonstrations now demonstrating that Alec Baldwin is full of Hollywood excrement.

[billy_56081]

Also before half cock I think there is a safety notch.

[Dee]

Also before half cock I think there is a safety notch.

If it's an old Colt I think there are 4 notches.
While my own personal "give-a-sh!tter" doesn't really care one way or the other, I don't understand the fascination as to whether Alec Baldwin is, or isn't telling the truth.
I've never held Baldwin in any importance, and don't understand why folks care.
Hes trash with money, and should have been taken out years ago.

[Mule 11]

I agree. I could not care less about “ finger on the trigger or up his alec... He is solely responsible IMO.

[oldandslow]

Ol' Alec is gonna skate on this. It happened in northern NM which is head over heels in love with the movie/TV industry. There was fluff piece on how much this industry contributes to the economy in Sunday's paper. The industry is in love with NM because they give a huge chunk of that contribution back to them. No one up there wants to rock the boat.

Alec is a flat out liar about what he didn't do.

[Drilling Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvmOpmcmwdo

[orerancher]

Yeah, He's gonna Skate on this.... Hell, Ted Kennedy Killed a Girl, and Look what a Hero He was to the Libs...