Another reason why I'm leaving Crazyfornia...

[Squirrelsaurus Rex]

California Lawmakers Propose Voting Age of 14
By JIM WASSERMAN, Associated Press
Students who support the idea say politicians would take their views more seriously if they were allowed to vote.  
   
SACRAMENTO, Calif.  March 8 - A proposed amendment to California's constitution would give 16-year-olds a half-vote and 14-year-olds a quarter-vote in state elections.

State Sen. John Vasconcellos, among four lawmakers to propose the idea on Monday, said the Internet, cellular phones, multichannel television and a diverse society makes today's teens better informed than their predecessors.

The idea requires two-thirds approval by the Legislature to appear on the November ballot.

"When we gave the vote to those who didn't own property, then to women, then to persons of all colors, we added to the richness of our democratic dialogue and our own nation's integrity and its model for the world," Vasconcellos said, calling it time to further extend the vote.

A Republican colleague said it was "the nuttiest idea I've ever heard."

Said Assemblyman Ray Haynes: "There's a reason why 14-year-olds and 16-year-olds don't vote. They are not adults. They are not mature enough. They are easily deceived by political charlatans."

Student supporters said the idea could give them a say in issues such as education funding and bring new voices to the California electorate.

"If we could vote, politicians would see us as votes, not just kids, and they would take our issues seriously," said Robert Reynolds, a student at Berkeley High School.


03/08/04 21:55 EST

[Squirrelsaurus Rex]

Come to think of it, my 5-year-old has some issues he'd like to see addressed.

And don't even get my dog started on the issue of foreign affairs... :roll:

[BamBams]

Gosh, pretty soon they'll be electing pop stars! LOL

[Fla Brian]

I can see the headline now.

President Madonna Appoints Britney Spears National Security Advisor
Jesse Jackson Furious Nod Not Go To Janet Jackson: Threatens Boycott

 :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D

[Dali Llama]

"If we could vote, politicians would see us as votes, not just kids, and they would take our issues seriously," said Robert Reynolds, a student at Berkeley High School.

:roll:  :roll: Dali Llama say that location of high school say it all...  

[Mauser]

I've got relatives in LA and have spent a fair amount of time in California.  Other than the climate which is the best in the US and the scenery (mostly in the north) I can't see any good reason to live there anymore.  Cali would have been great prior to 1970 or so.

[jaycocreek]

Squirrel-Idaho has a place for the good fella's from that state.Got to get more good one's to offset the bad one's.They don't seem to leave there attitude at the border for some reason.Jayco.

[Major]

They don't seem to leave there attitude at the border for some reason.

We have the same problem with them here in my state.

[Squirrelsaurus Rex]

I understand what you guys are saying.  I've done some traveling up north (I have family in Everett, WA and Oregon), and I know Calibanians have a bad reputation in other states.  But that's due to the bad apples.  There are two types of people that leave CA.  The first type are the ones that are moving for economic reasons.  They want to find a place to make a better living (financially), so their prime motivation is money.  They are the ones that take the 'CA attitude' with them.  The second type (like me), don't give a s#!t about money.  They just can't stand living in a place where common sense no longer exists and they want to move a place where sanity is the common denominator.

Unfortunately, the first group is the more noticeable type, and they're the ones that give all Calibanians a bad name.

[Major]

Well Mr. Squirrelsaurus Rex.   If you are the type two Californian, and I figure if you are on a gun web site then you are, may I be the first to say welcome to the wonderful Pacific Northwest if that's where you are headed.

If you don't mind rain and love green grass and trees then the west coast is nice.   If you want open spaces, cheaper housing, better hunting, better fishing and dryer then Eastern Washington or Oregon are for you.

As for jobs, both states are a bit shy of them at the moment but there are more jobs on the coast than on the eastern side of the mountains.

I just retired and will be leaving Everett, Wa. for the eastern side to enjoy all that hunting and fishing and less rain.    Since I am taking an income with me I don't care about jobs and am more interested in the lower priced houses.

[handirifle]

Well I have to say I don't entirely agree with Mr. rex.  You see, I'd like to leave Ca for financial reasons AND to get away from the MORONS that run the place.

Would I take the "CA" attitude with me?  As soon as I figure out what it is I'll let you know.  I'd just like to live somewhere where people have old fashion values, work hard for their money and the men don't hold hands walking down the street.  So far that knocks out a good deal of the west coast states in my book.  Been there and seen it and don't want to keep seeing it anymore.

[Major]

handirifle,

The "CA" attitude is coming up here with enough money to pay cash for more than a house is worth, driving up the price for locals and then voting in all those crazy things that make us more like the MORONS that run thing down there.   It is also driving like they were still in LA while talking on their cell-phone and putting on their make-up in their yuppie beamers.   And the ones I have met have a very unfriendly attitude like it is beneath them to have to “put-up” with us locals.   Anyone that leaves an area and then tries to make the new place like the place they left should just save himself or herself the bother and trouble and just stay where they were.   We also get tired of all the complaining about the rain.   Yes, it rains… you don’t like it, too bad, complaining won’t make it go away.   We don’t tan up here… we rust.

If you can live with out all that cr@p then fine.   You are welcome here and maybe we can even go hunting or fishing together.   If you need to think you are still in Ca with all it has to offer then PLEASE stay out of here.  

OK?  

I will give you one point in your favor, no make that two points.   You are on a shooting web site is one and the other is you want out of that zoo.


                                      :sniper:

[Squirrelsaurus Rex]

It is also driving like they were still in LA while talking on their cell-phone and putting on their make-up in their yuppie beamers.

That's the sort of thing I was referring to.  I've heard the stories from my family in Oregon and Washington about how the locals in those states have that impression about Californians, because most of them seem to act like they're still in LA or San Francisco.  But the thing is, it's the people from those big cities that act like that.  Rural Californians don't have that sort of attitude, because it's living in the big city that does it to you.  I know from experience.  I spent my last few years in the military in Kentucky.  I got used to the slow life.  After I got out, I moved back to CA to be close to family.  I went to San Jose (Silicon Valley).  I had never lived in such a big city before.  I felt as out of place as a skunk in a perfume shop.  The people drive on the freeways like suicidal maniacs.  I was once even literally run off the side of the freeway by someone who was willing to kill me so he wouldn't miss his exit.

Of course, it's not just the driving.  It's that mean attitude in general.  After living there for a couple of years, I realized I had gotten used to it and I didn't even notice that attitude anymore.  Everything in the big city is 'me, me, me'.  It's all about money.  People are greedy and mean.  I went to Oregon to visit my parents last Christmas, and my dad warned me before I went to watch my driving, because people are very different there and they have this thing about "California drivers".  They also don't like Californians because of the general 'mean' attitude, like Major said.  But it's the big city types that act that way, and, like I said before, they are the ones that give all Californians a bad image.  Not all big city dwellers are like that, but enough are to cause that stereotype in the eyes of people in other states.  There's certainly enough of them to make me want to leave.

Many, like me, aren't like that.  That's why I have to get out of this state.  I'm not compatible with that attitude (the insane politics don't help either) and sometimes this place drives me crazy.  I don't want to go to a place where I can make good money and drive a Lexus SUV :roll: and bring bring common sense-deprived politics with me.

Money is not a motivating factor for me (as a tow truck driver, it's not like I'm going to get rich anyway).  On the contrary, I just want to get away from all that and live in a place where the people are still sane and people won't look at me like I'm a deranged serial killer when they find out I like guns (you should see the look I get from some cashiers at the bookstores around here when I buy a hunting or gun magazine).

[Squirrelsaurus Rex]

We don’t tan up here… we rust.

LOL!  That's excellent!  

[Major]

Before I retired I worked for that big airplane company up here that merged with the California airplane company and I have met all kinds of people from all over the world.   As an engineer I was working with some of the worlds better-educated people and that may have helped some but I have still seen all the different types we have all been talking about.   Anyway, I could care less where somebody is from if they try to blend in (within limits) but when they want to change here into there (wherever there is) I get a little upset.   It is not just California either, its anywhere that people move from and then try to change us.  

I would be happy to share my state with you Squirrelsaurus Rex or you handirifle or anyone else reading this as long as you will just maintain a little common sense and a low profile to life.   You can even drive a Lexus SUV if you want… as long as you DRIVE it.   I have to laugh at the idiots that move up here and build their fancy housing developments and strip mauls out in the wooded suburbs and then complain when the deer eat their flowers and panic when they see a black bear.    They pay more than the places are worth, driving up costs for the rest of us too.

I don’t care if a guy is a CEO of a large company or drives a truck or swings a hammer or even hauls away my garbage for a living.   I look at the kind of person they are on the inside if they are willing to show me that inside.   Since I am writing on a gun web site I don’t worry about you guys bringing a “hate guns” attitude with you, that’s one good thing.

As for politics, if you believe everything you read in the news paper or hear on TV or from most politicians then we don’t need those types either, we already have more of them than we want.   But if you can look at history and see where we are headed and can think for yourselves about what it will take to keep us from sinking any further then we can sure use your help up here.

                   :gun4:

[papajohn428]

Maybe if all the pro-gun people can get together, we can all jump up and down on the CA-NV border, and cause the earthquake that will dump Cali into the Pacific, and the American median IQ will go up a few dozen points.
PJ

[handirifle]

major
I appreciate the offer, by the way, I drive a Jeep wrangler, it is NOT an SUV :grin: and I understand exactly what you say.  I was born and raised in Ohio, but have lived in CA longer than Ohio.  Ohio still feels like home to me.  When I hit the woods or streams (cricks, not creeks) it just feels normal.

Life is full of choices and it may be one I don't get to make but I'd love to find someplace more like home with all the things I miss.  I think it's called Shrangilah.

Oh yea, one of my co-workers was buying one of those BMW suv's and I asked why.  His reply, "its got over 400hp".  I said, "uh OK"  Whatever dude, just meet me at the top of the mountain trail with it and THEN we'll talk about how cool it is.

One other guy bought a new vette.  Traded in a Jeep, no less.  I said I'd race him.  One mile on pavement, one off.  ha ha  Like I told him, I may not go as fast as you but I can go anywhere you can.  Can you say the same?

[Major]

major
I appreciate the offer, by the way, I drive a Jeep wrangler, it is NOT an SUV :grin: and I understand exactly what you say.  I was born and raised in Ohio, but have lived in CA longer than Ohio.  Ohio still feels like home to me.  When I hit the woods or streams (cricks, not creeks) it just feels normal.

Well, while my family has been here in Washington since 1865 (before it was a state) I was born during WWII in a town called Steubenville, Ohio.   So if you make it up here… then… welcome brother.

[Rogmatt]

My Brother who is a Christian lived in the Kalifornia Bay area. He just moved to North Georgia because he said he was tired of living in Sodom & Gomorrah.

[chuckles]

Mauser wrote:

Cali would have been great prior to 1970 or so.

Yea, it was. I evacuated to "Free America" in 2000 and can't believe I waited so long.

[Dali Llama]

 I went to Oregon to visit my parents last Christmas, and my dad warned me before I went to watch my driving, because people are very different there and they have this thing about "California drivers".  They also don't like Californians because of the general 'mean' attitude.

Dali Llama say that it be much deeper than that.  Dali say residents of states surrounding Peoples Republik of Kalifornia resent the Kalifornication of their environs by refugees from the PRK, and rightfully so. :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:

[Mikey]

Squirrelsaurus Rex - are ya sure it ain't the Squirrel of Death comin' to git ya now that he's out of jail for trashin' that patrol car (LOL).  Mikey.

On a more serious note, I've read your posts and replys and yes, you have some serious issues with that state, the people there and their politics.  I think most normal people would.  There are lots of places to go and live right on the west coast, also many in the interior.  And let's not forget that although the east coast is still 3k miles away, there are lots of folk in upstate NY and in the (better parts of) the northeast that feel the same way you do.  Good luck to you and let us know where you finally land.  Mikey.

[Dali Llama]

there are lots of folk in upstate NY and in the (better parts of) the northeast that feel the same way you do.

What about American South, Great Plains, Southwest and Midwest, ask Dali Llama? :?