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Their starting to advertise battery powered Ford vehicles.
« on: December 21, 2021, 04:00:28 AM »
Lots of commercials of late about the new fords. It’s just hard for me to believe battery powered anything would be reliable in a lot of remote places I like to go.

What do you experts think. Say if I’m 300 miles off the grid in the Gila national forest how do I charge my battery ?
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Re: Their starting to advertise battery powered Ford vehicles.
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2021, 04:36:53 AM »
I doubt you can. Our Ford Fusion is a plug in hybrid, technically an "electric vehicle" by Federal standards. Considering the state of EV development that seems like the most reasonable approach at this time. It runs on electric when I run to the PO, the library, and the grocery store (a mile each way) but I need the gas engine to get home when I go to town (17 mi. each way). We don't get TV here, so I don't see the ads and don't know what they are selling now.

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2021, 03:59:52 PM »
When they had an all electric Ranger
truck some years ago, we were looking
at different things in the catalog, and
one of us looked up the battery and
it was like $4000.00 or so less than
the cost of the whole rolling vehicle IIRC.

I wonder what the cost of a major
collision repair would take to total
a new one out  ?

Wonder what the cost would be
for a recharge would be 500 miles
from home  ? Or if AAA auto would
even come out if you're stranded
out of juice on the interstate between
BFE north and BFE south
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2021, 06:19:44 AM »
Lots of commercials of late about the new fords. It’s just hard for me to believe battery powered anything would be reliable in a lot of remote places I like to go.

What do you experts think. Say if I’m 300 miles off the grid in the Gila national forest how do I charge my battery ?

A small generator designed for this? I know a couple who carries one. And they have had to use it before.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2021, 06:44:23 AM »
  I want to see  how the PU's  perform pulling a  trailer with a heavy payload . My guess is it wont go 10 miles before the batt. gives out .

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Re: Their starting to advertise battery powered Ford vehicles.
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2021, 07:56:02 AM »
  I want to see  how the PU's  perform pulling a  trailer with a heavy payload . My guess is it wont go 10 miles before the batt. gives out .

My SIL is a truck driver running between Portland and Seattle daily. I think he told me that when his company tried an EV (semi) on that run, he had no problems hauling the trailer. Didn't think to ask more questions.

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Re: Their starting to advertise battery powered Ford vehicles.
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2021, 08:56:25 AM »
  I want to see  how the PU's  perform pulling a  trailer with a heavy payload . My guess is it wont go 10 miles before the batt. gives out .

My SIL is a truck driver running between Portland and Seattle daily. I think he told me that when his company tried an EV (semi) on that run, he had no problems hauling the trailer. Didn't think to ask more questions.
  I  didnt know EV semis were in operation yet , I am behind the times then .

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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2021, 09:11:20 AM »
I'm not sure they are actually available, but there is a major mfg here and they wanted to test the tractors.

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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2021, 10:51:54 PM »
yup then come up here with that load where it might be -20 f  :o
  I want to see  how the PU's  perform pulling a  trailer with a heavy payload . My guess is it wont go 10 miles before the batt. gives out .
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2021, 01:30:05 AM »
I guess I'll quit driving when they make gasoline too expensive, or you can't get any.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2021, 08:15:29 AM »
I guess I'll quit driving when they make gasoline too expensive, or you can't get any.

That sure does seem like that is their objective.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2021, 01:24:30 AM »
yup what they really want is for us to stay home and depend on them. Problem they will run into is they loose track of the fact that us middle class red necks are paying there wages and supporting all of these freeloaders who are willing to stay home. my guess is after the 2024 elections electric car is going to drop 50 percent or more in value. The new ones will sit collecting dust on the showroom floors. Ford electric trucks?? I say give a couple to REAL farmers, loggers, snow plowers ect and see what they think of them. Its all just marketing hype. Kind of like me chuckling yesterday when the wife came home bragging that shes getting a 3 percent raise and i wiped the smile off her face when i told her cost of living went up 6 percent this year so she actually is loosing. Just isnt no way at the cost of kwh's at least up here that its cheaper to charge a vehicle at home then it is to buy gas.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2021, 03:52:11 AM »
All of our power plants are natural gas which is a fossil fuel. Liberals are so stupid,the plastic in their cars is made from petroleum oil.
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Re: Their starting to advertise battery powered Ford vehicles.
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2021, 03:57:00 AM »
Lots of commercials of late about the new fords. It’s just hard for me to believe battery powered anything would be reliable in a lot of remote places I like to go.

What do you experts think. Say if I’m 300 miles off the grid in the Gila national forest how do I charge my battery ?

Sounds like you would either need some solar panels for daytime charging or a "gasoline" generator. 

Tesla is going to offer a solar panel cover over their truck bed or it is proposed when they come out with their truck in 2022.  Their long range truck version will be 500 miles between charges. 

Oh, just read on another website that at the rate Texas is adding windmills in west Texas they will be powered completely by wind power by 2030.  Natural gas will be relegated to work during low wind conditions or during peek demands. 

Oil and coal will still have to be used to make plastics and drugs, but not burned for fuel. 

In THEORY, the plains states can produce all the power the country needs.  In REALITY, most people live on the East Coast or West Coast.  Pushing the power that far is the problem. 

Also, Elon Musk, whose company makes solar panels, said a 100 mile x 100 mile array of solar panels in the Nevada desert could also power the whole country.  Again, problem is transmission and huge battery banks needed to store the daytime power production and Tesla also makes the big battery banks.   

I think solar is best for peek air conditioning demands in the southwest and deep south during the summer.  Parking lots could be covered with elevated solar panels.  The side benefit would be cooler cars to return to after shopping.  That could help with AC for the immediate shopping areas.  Then wind for the immediate plains states and push the power as reasonably possible east and west.  Wind offshore is really big right now as there always seems to be wind off the coasts.  Wind produced electricity is about the same price as natural gas powered electricity.  Solars problem is night time storage and cloudy day storage.  Nukes will eventually have to fill the gaps if they want to completely get away from coal, natural gas, and fuel oil. 

Also, any excess wind or solar could pull carbon dioxide from the air and use it with water to make synthetic natural gas using the Sabatier process.  Musk is going to do this near Brownsville at Boca Chica, Texas to make synthetic rocket fuel.  His Mars rocket will use the same technology to make fuel for the rocket to return to earth.  Any excess power can produce gas in this way and push it into the existing gas system.
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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2021, 04:16:41 AM »
Fact is most of the poweplants operating in this country today are still coal fired.
All of our power plants are natural gas which is a fossil fuel. Liberals are so stupid,the plastic in their cars is made from petroleum oil.
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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2021, 04:20:52 AM »
funny i read an article last year that said to be totally reliant on solar at todays technology wed have to cover a thrid of the country. the low ball bs comes from people like musk and tesla that stand to make big money over even an failed attempt to go all solar. Its like asking the ceo of pepsi if coke tastes better. Sad thing is were spending billions on bs clean energy that we dont have the technology for and russia and china are shoveling coal. Another bad thing is we have about given up on research into clean coal burning and thats where we should be putting our minds and money into working on. Coal we have. As to transmision that is a big problem. Weve basicaly done little to nothing since the 70s to improve our electrical grid. Its falling down. I worked in the power production and line maintence most of my life. The grid is held together by bandaids. Every day coal fired plants are being shut down with nothing to replace them. Its no wonder power prices are climbing. Unless we invest in clean coal or nuke power in 10 years your power bill will be higher then your house payment and power will be rationed. Especially if the liberals keep pushing there fariy tail ideas. 
Lots of commercials of late about the new fords. It’s just hard for me to believe battery powered anything would be reliable in a lot of remote places I like to go.

What do you experts think. Say if I’m 300 miles off the grid in the Gila national forest how do I charge my battery ?

Sounds like you would either need some solar panels for daytime charging or a "gasoline" generator. 

Tesla is going to offer a solar panel cover over their truck bed or it is proposed when they come out with their truck in 2022.  Their long range truck version will be 500 miles between charges. 

Oh, just read on another website that at the rate Texas is adding windmills in west Texas they will be powered completely by wind power by 2030.  Natural gas will be relegated to work during low wind conditions or during peek demands. 

Oil and coal will still have to be used to make plastics and drugs, but not burned for fuel. 

In THEORY, the plains states can produce all the power the country needs.  In REALITY, most people live on the East Coast or West Coast.  Pushing the power that far is the problem. 

Also, Elon Musk, whose company makes solar panels, said a 100 mile x 100 mile array of solar panels in the Nevada desert could also power the whole country.  Again, problem is transmission and huge battery banks needed to store the daytime power production and Tesla also makes the big battery banks.   

I think solar is best for peek air conditioning demands in the southwest and deep south during the summer.  Parking lots could be covered with elevated solar panels.  The side benefit would be cooler cars to return to after shopping.  That could help with AC for the immediate shopping areas.  Then wind for the immediate plains states and push the power as reasonably possible east and west.  Wind offshore is really big right now as there always seems to be wind off the coasts.  Wind produced electricity is about the same price as natural gas powered electricity.  Solars problem is night time storage and cloudy day storage.  Nukes will eventually have to fill the gaps if they want to completely get away from coal, natural gas, and fuel oil.
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Re: Their starting to advertise battery powered Ford vehicles.
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2021, 04:22:01 AM »
Fact is most of the poweplants operating in this country today are still coal fired.
All of our power plants are natural gas which is a fossil fuel. Liberals are so stupid,the plastic in their cars is made from petroleum oil.

Natural gas recently passed coal by a percent or so.  Both about 33%.  Nukes are about 25%.  Hydro power about 10%.  Wind and solar are just starting. 
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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2021, 05:27:36 AM »
Fact is most of the poweplants operating in this country today are still coal fired.
All of our power plants are natural gas which is a fossil fuel. Liberals are so stupid,the plastic in their cars is made from petroleum oil.

Natural gas recently passed coal by a percent or so.  Both about 33%.  Nukes are about 25%.  Hydro power about 10%.  Wind and solar are just starting.

You’ve still got to drill for natural gas. Involving diesel drilling rigs. Our shut down offshore rigs accounted for 15% of production. Biden hasn’t a clue on what to do.
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« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2021, 09:21:46 AM »
Manufacturing all these green goodies
still takes petroleum drilled out of the
ground, and personnel to set up and
maintain the factories and personnel
to work at them and produce the goods
and move them around, and all of those
people have to travel to and from etc.
IMO if we're all going to have to stop
in the middle of our journey and break
out a generator or deploy a solar panel
or pedal some generator contraption,
we'd do just as well to ride a bicycle in
the first place, or ride a mule or take
a buggy or wagon like when my mother
was a small girl,  and make a trip to
town into an all day affair.
JMHO-  I've never figured what the
America haters think that all these
carbon and pollution measures they
want to institute will affect when
countries like India and Pakistan
and the 3rd world countries all
spew massive amounts of pollution
into the air and water with very little
if any restrictions.
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« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2021, 12:11:16 PM »
I just looked up online.  Found out that wind and solar cost to install is now lower than the cost of a natural gas facility per KWH.  They are slowly taking over power production and now produce about 20% of total power with coal falling to 18%.  Nukes are still about 20%.  Hydro around 10%.  Natural gas is now around 30%. 

The only problem I have with wind is killing birds, but cats are still way ahead in that area. 

Coal, oil, and gas will never go away, but will drastically be reduced as far as power production.  We will still need it for metals smelting, and back up generators. 
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« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2021, 03:42:23 PM »
When the wind doesn't blow and the sun ain't shining green tech doesn't work. Simple as that. Best example is last February here in Texas. Hundreds of people literally froze to death thanks to solar and wind being a priority in place of reliable energy sources.
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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2021, 04:36:50 AM »
I blame the Texas utility that handles the power.  Texas power usage is much greater in summer with air conditioning.  So, they decided to do maintenance on windmills, gas power plants, and a nuke facility in the winter.  Seems like spring and fall should be when they pull maintenance.  Windmills have to have an oil change once a year on the gearing. 

When I worked with a gas company I did the maintenance schedule on large regulator stations feeding the gas into the distribution system.  My supervisor said to spread the work over 12 months.  So, I had them do the large more important ones in the spring, summer, and fall.  We only did the minor ones (with two-way feeds) in the winter.  At least all the stations had temporary by-passes while the took the regulators apart for maintenance. 

I think the Texas utility was lulled into performing maintenance in winter after a few mild winters and got caught. 

I also believe solar panels shouldn't be in fixed positions, but made to go vertical to drop off snow, unless they are somewhere that never snows.  I don't think Texas has many solar systems, but a lot of windmills. 

There will always be a need for gas or nuclear backup, unless wind and solar systems are overbuilt to compensate. 
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« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2021, 06:09:21 AM »
Doing maintenance on windmills in the spring in west Texas. Thats a good one.

Doing maintenance on windmills in the fall in west Texas. Another good one.

How about an area that historically has mild winters, having the worst recorded winter storm in 73 years, trying to comply with government regulations?
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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2021, 06:36:53 AM »
Government overreach was again the problem. Government should stay out of anything that matters. My opinion.

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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2021, 12:12:19 PM »
Government forcing the change is the problem.  Change will come because of cost.  Right now wind has passed natural gas in installation costs and cost of fuel figured over 20 years life of a windmill before rebuilding is needed.  Musk isn't pushing wind, he is pushing electric cars and home solar kits.  He has invented solar shingles and a Tesla battery pack for power storage for night and cloudy day use.  I know someone who bought his power pack and went for 3 days off it until the power was turned back on. 

Wind is actually cheaper than solar/battery stuff right now. 
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« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2021, 01:16:18 PM »
But each windmill, besides being unsightly, is less than 17% efficient.
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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2021, 12:14:32 AM »
I was an electrical lineman for over 30 years. We did maintenance every day we didnt  have installs or trouble. It was a constant year round thing that you dont begin to catch up to. Texas is no different then any other state. The grid in this country is what i call a best case senerio grid. Works fine when everything including weather cooperates but its really in sad shape and way under the capacity needed for this country to have RELIABLE power. Power companys have to make profits. They dont build or upgrade lines unless there bean counters can show it will make them money. Its eaiser to just get by and struggle when shtf. Truth be told it would take WAY more money then any of us are willing to shell out in our electric bills to make it RELIABLE. Goverement forces it? Just comes from your taxes instead of your electrical bill.

It gets worse and worse every day. coal fired plants shutting down everywhere with nothing that actually works to replace them. Say what you want about solar wind natural gas. Coal is still the best bet this country has of making power we can afford. Nuke power could be plentiful and probably safe but the cost to build new nukes especially with the government breathing down there necks is just cost prohibited too. We really need to rein in all this bs and quit trying to force technologys like wind and solar to do something they can and invest that money into cleaner coal fired plants. When i started as a lineman there were 6 coal fired plants withing 200 miles of here. Today? NONE. All replaced by one natural gas plant that has about a 1/4 of the capacity those coal plants did. So what does that mean? We are at the mercy of states that still have alot of coal fired plants running and it allowed them to control the prices. Result? Our electric bills have more then doubled in the last 10 years.

Everyone in washington are more conserned with flowers and birdys then they are about keeping us competitive with the worlds economics. Waste billions shoving electric cars down our throats and no infostructures capable of charging them all. They are right though. There will be less polution. half of us with electric cars and no power to charge them and the ones that do will have powerbills that excede there home payments once they get us all corralled into there trap and when they realize we have to have it, stand by. Your power bill be your biggest expense. that is if you want to go to work. there fixing that in washington too. Making it pay more to sit home.
I blame the Texas utility that handles the power.  Texas power usage is much greater in summer with air conditioning.  So, they decided to do maintenance on windmills, gas power plants, and a nuke facility in the winter.  Seems like spring and fall should be when they pull maintenance.  Windmills have to have an oil change once a year on the gearing. 

When I worked with a gas company I did the maintenance schedule on large regulator stations feeding the gas into the distribution system.  My supervisor said to spread the work over 12 months.  So, I had them do the large more important ones in the spring, summer, and fall.  We only did the minor ones (with two-way feeds) in the winter.  At least all the stations had temporary by-passes while the took the regulators apart for maintenance. 

I think the Texas utility was lulled into performing maintenance in winter after a few mild winters and got caught. 

I also believe solar panels shouldn't be in fixed positions, but made to go vertical to drop off snow, unless they are somewhere that never snows.  I don't think Texas has many solar systems, but a lot of windmills. 

There will always be a need for gas or nuclear backup, unless wind and solar systems are overbuilt to compensate.
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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2021, 06:13:55 AM »
one of the unspoken realities of the green conspiracy is there has to be backup generation for those monstrosities, which, and please correct me if this is not true, need to be idling to be brought on line quickly in the event of sudden need, which means there is petrochemical pollution on a continuous basis while the "green" stuff is produced! even if not so, i deeply wish the green movement would acknowledge the 'hidden' pollution of the green energy....which, of course, they would never do, since that would expose the manipulation behind their cause!
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« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2021, 06:42:00 AM »
Newer smaller, more efficient windmills have been developed.  Norway has some for instance, made entirely of aluminum so they can be recycled.  One was recently invented that is 8' tall and 25' long that looks like a wall.  It has vertical spinners that combine and produce enough electricity to power a home where windy conditions are prevalent.  Not that big.  Aluminum and not unsightly.  It is coming whether you guys like it or not.  And yes, backup generators will have to be in the system. 

Don't know about Texas, but The Southern Company, which owns Alabama Power, Georgia Power, Gulf coast Power, and Mississippi Power have been, in the last few years upgrading their stuff.  Replacing transformers, poles, and especially clearing trees away from their power lines.  They are also building the first nuclear plant since the 1970's south of Atlanta.  Natural gas generators have replaced most coal fired plants down here.  Some solar has been installed.  No windmills as there can be times of no wind in the deep south. 

System depends on where you are. 

Just looked up Alabama's power production:

32% from nuclear, 16% from coal, 9% from hydro, 2% from biomass (crushed peanut hulls made into wood pellets), 2% from solar, 49% from natural gas.  Alabama produces so much power 32% is exported to neighboring states.  Most coal has been switched to natural gas to cut down on smog and CO2 production.  Only wind worth trying is along the coast and the highest mountain areas of the north, but not worth the cost for minimal wind. 

I am not against wind or solar, but I have argued with some on the extremist side and told them why we have to have backup generation like gas or nukes to maintain continuous service.  In theory wind and solar could do it all with giant battery backups, but not in reality.  The batteries are expensive and prone to overheating and causing fires.  Sometimes the wind don't blow.  Sometimes you have an extreme winter.  Sometimes the sun don't shine.  Compromise can be achieved if people would work together. 

I know there is no drilling in the Gulf of Mexico along the Florida coast because they didn't want tourist looking out over the beaches and seeing oil rigs.  Same with wind.  Coastal areas have a lot of wind, but again, like you said above, you think windmills are ugly.  Well, maybe make them float further out.  Most farmers and ranchers don't mind a big windmill on their property.  Sometimes to give the power companies rights, they get free electricity. 

As far as vehicles, Alabama has 6 Tesla charging stations.  A supercharger (45 minutes) is at the mall in my hometown.  They all follow along the interstates.  So far Tesla has built charging stations all over the US, and will allow other companies to use their chargers (for a fee).  Electrics are coming, slower without government mandates. 
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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2021, 05:20:48 AM »
I saw a PNM (big power company in NM) commercial on tv the other day. It was only a picture of a windmill with the caption,"100% pollution free". Yeah, right. This thing just magically appeared appeared set up and connected to the grid without one particle of pollution involved. Oh, and the grid it was connected too caused no pollution when being built. 

A huge windfarm was built many miles north of me last year. The components were hauled in on the railroad and off loaded by 2 huge cranes, then loaded on really big trucks by those cranes and hauled north where they were set up. I wonder just how much pollution was injected into the atmosphere just from the process of getting them from where they were manufactured to where they were installed. Also what about manufacturing, installation, infrastructure built to carry electricity, maintence, etc. pollution? Pollution free my happy a$$.