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Masks are about controlling the masses.
« on: January 05, 2022, 03:57:26 AM »
Health ‘Experts’ Finally Admit Masks Control People, Not Viruses

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These masks and the mandates that accompany them have never been about controlling a virus. They’ve always been about controlling people.
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We’ve been censored. Hollered at by Karens in the grocery store and sometimes even outdoors. We’ve been lectured, demonized, scoffed at, and called murderers and rubes — all for the sin of ignoring mask security theater and daring to show the lower half of our faces in public.

That’s why it’s just remarkable to hear the experts now admit that the same face coverings required in so many establishments and localities are not stopping any virus from spreading.

CNN medical analyst Leana Wen, who was previously president of abortion giant Planned Parenthood, said so on the network — and not only in reference to the current variant, as if new data has suddenly justified a change in guidance. She explicitly said cloth masks haven’t been effective since the dawn of the Wuhan virus.

“Cloth masks are not appropriate for this pandemic. It’s not appropriate for omicron, it was not appropriate for delta, alpha, or any of the previous variants either, because we’re dealing with something that’s airborne,” Wen said.

“Don’t wear a cloth mask,” she said in another segment, going so far as to call them little more than “facial decorations.”

It isn’t just one floating head on CNN. In a letter to Capitol Hill staffers, the attending physician reportedly announced the end of blue surgical masks, cloth masks, and gaiters, ordering that “the more protective KN95 or N95 masks” must now be worn.

“…Surgical masks are NO LONGER ENOUGH for an airborne virus that’s transmitting as fast or faster than any virus known to mankind,” tweeted a paranoid professor from the University of Colorado at Boulder. The Washington Post jumped in too.

And here’s the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spilling the beans that a surgical mask “is not considered respiratory protection.”

WebMD piled on also, urging Americans to discard the kind of cloth face masks worn by busybody fellow shoppers while they lecture the unmasked to cover their faces. Those aren’t good enough and never have been.

This is now the wisdom imparted by the experts, that the sweaty, flimsy, itchy muzzles that have been forced on schoolchildren, healthy athletes, socially distant employees, grocery-shopping moms, and even their toddlers are “not appropriate.” They’re nothing more than “facial decorations” against a virus that’s in the air and can’t be contained.

It’s almost like conservatives have been reading the available scientific studies and saying this since the beginning, like here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. Maybe sweat-soaked cloth masks in the gym actually aren’t great for your health, many on the right suggested. My 3-year-old’s mask that she can’t stop touching probably isn’t keeping her healthier, others thought. Yet the response from the left to this pushback was routine scorn and censorship.

Amazon banned a book by former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson that discussed the scientific evidence that mask mandates are ineffective. Big Tech weaponized fake fact-checks to choke out The Federalist’s science-backed reporting on masks. Former White House COVID Task Force advisor Dr. Scott Atlas was banned from publishing references to scientific mask studies, as CNN’s Jake Tapper and Dr. Sanjay Gupta cheered Twitter on. Google-owned YouTube infamously nuked a June interview of Atlas.

Yet now, the left’s “experts” are going on network television to announce that we must stop wearing the cloth and surgical masks that have become synonymous with COVID morality, and they’re announcing that actually we’ve known these masks have been “inappropriate” all along.

Americans are just supposed to take this. In response to the gaslighting, they’re just supposed to obediently discard the cloth masks they’ve been berated and coerced into wearing and instead go buy some stronger mask to protect God-knows-who from this wave of a virus that manifests as the common cold for even the vast majority of the yet-unvaccinated.

While in many sane areas of the country, masks have long been an afterthought, that’s not the reality for other Americans. Mask mandates still prevail in too many places, with the entire state of Oregon tossing around the idea of a “permanent” mask mandate.

Other authoritarian pockets such as Madison, Wisconsin, just never let their temporary mandates expire. Of course, these mandates don’t require any particular kind of face covering. So as Wen said, the masks are nothing more than “facial decorations,” meaning the mandates are nothing more than political theater.

The gaslighting is enough to drive anyone absolutely mad, but with the experts’ admission that most of our masks aren’t cutting it, they’ve also admitted something far more consequential. These masks and the mandates that accompany them have never been about controlling a virus. They’ve always been about controlling people.
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2022, 05:39:09 AM »
That's all the Masks have ever Been about...Compliance, Obeying the Government, Turning People against each Other, and Most Important in the Marxist View....Erasing the Individual.....We are now just Part of the Collective.... 

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2022, 05:45:02 AM »
Anthony Fauci would disagree. He thinks we should wear two mask.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2022, 06:46:58 AM »
Sadly. All it would have taken is for the masses to have ignored this foolishness and it would have went away.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2022, 07:51:20 AM »
That's all the Masks have ever Been about...Compliance, Obeying the Government, Turning People against each Other, and Most Important in the Marxist View....Erasing the Individual.....We are now just Part of the Collective....

Yes many of us knew that from the get go. Yet many of our fellow Americans still have not figured it out.

I just saw that half of my post has lines through the text. Not sure what caused that? There is a link available to read the article.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2022, 12:20:04 PM »
Oh yeah. F errr I mean let’s go masses...

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2022, 12:54:22 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2022, 02:32:53 AM »
Controlling the masses. I am not gonna argue about the effectiveness of masks. I do wonder about the controlling the masses conclusion.
To what end? By whom? Implicit in the idea that “the masses” are being controlled is the idea that there is an enduring someone who is doing or attempting the controlling. Who is that? What is the point of the attempted control?
Y’know….there are lots of controls placed on us? Are they all the product of some sinister, shadowy, unidentified someone? Speed limits for cars. Stop signs and traffic lights. DUI laws. These are all controls. Should we be rid of them?
Scenario: you have school age children. They are healthy and free of the virus. Your neighbor has children. Most of the people in that family are bedridden because of the virus. One of the kids, same age as your daughter, goes to the same school, sits next to your child. She has the virus but is asymptomatic . Is there cause for alarm there?
Register your car, register your boat, one way signs on streets, and on and on….controls are everywhere in society.
I know that i am cherrypicking this next one….were Mary Mallon’s rights violated when she was confined  for twenty years to North Brother Island in NYC’s East River? She was an asymptomatic carrier of typhoid and worked as a cook. (Aka Typhoid Mary)

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2022, 02:42:22 AM »
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I took the strike thru out for ya.

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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2022, 03:07:33 AM »
Right now there are newborn babies and tots that have never seen unmasked peers and adults in school or in society. These kids are prone to developing speech and communication and alienation problems, as well as cognitive issues from oxygen deprivation.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2022, 03:31:55 AM »
Controlling the masses. I am not gonna argue about the effectiveness of masks. I do wonder about the controlling the masses conclusion.

Scenario: you have school age children. They are healthy and free of the virus. Your neighbor has children. Most of the people in that family are bedridden because of the virus. One of the kids, same age as your daughter, goes to the same school, sits next to your child. . Is there cause for alarm there?


No, not any alarm at all.  As a matter of fact our school does not even demand quarantine of students where COVID is currently in the family.  If they have antibodies, they can go to school. My kids were tested when my wife and I had COVID and they showed antibodies, but to my knowledge they never had it, so back to school they went.  No masks at school either.  My My kids do not even acknowledge COVID anymore. Several times they have gone and hung out with people who have COVID in the family or they themselves recently tested positive.   
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2022, 03:43:37 AM »
Controlling the masses. I am not gonna argue about the effectiveness of masks. I do wonder about the controlling the masses conclusion.
To what end? By whom? Implicit in the idea that “the masses” are being controlled is the idea that there is an enduring someone who is doing or attempting the controlling. Who is that? What is the point of the attempted control?
Y’know….there are lots of controls placed on us? Are they all the product of some sinister, shadowy, unidentified someone? Speed limits for cars. Stop signs and traffic lights. DUI laws. These are all controls. Should we be rid of them?
Scenario: you have school age children. They are healthy and free of the virus. Your neighbor has children. Most of the people in that family are bedridden because of the virus. One of the kids, same age as your daughter, goes to the same school, sits next to your child. . Is there cause for alarm there?
Register your car, register your boat, one way signs on streets, and on and on….controls are everywhere in society.
I know that i am cherrypicking this next one….were Mary Mallon’s rights violated when she was confined  for twenty years to North Brother Island in NYC’s East River? She was an asymptomatic carrier of typhoid and worked as a cook. (Aka Typhoid Mary)

You say you are not going to argue the effectiveness of masks, but you are saying they work and should be worn, by comparing mask mandates to a control like speed limits, stop signs, and DUI laws. Speed limits and the like save lives, and keep people from killing others. Masks do no such thing, since its been proven that masks don't stop the spread of covid.  As for car and boat registration those are taxes, not a control.
I find it odd that you have to ask who is doing the controlling, and why. And to what point is the attempted control.  I assume you know of history and past Marxist takeovers of countries, since you are an ex teacher. Then just because someone has the title of a teacher does not mean they know everything about history.  Especially since much of history isn't even taught anymore.  I'm not going to go into depth as to the why of controlling the masses with mask wearing.  By mandating the wearing of facemasks. We set a precedent by showing that the masses can be coerced into doing most anything under the premise of public safety. 
Your scenario is kind of absurd. Kids have been sitting beside each other in school for decades without worrying about a virus they might catch. Why now is it such a big issue with a virus that  99% of the people survive, and kids survive it at very near 100%.   I think kids were sitting next to each other in the late 60's when Hong Kong flu was here, and the Asian flu, and the Spanish flu, and they didn't even have to wear a mask.
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2022, 05:11:49 AM »
Ddz: You raise very valid points. My references to speed limits, etc. were not meant as a support for wearing masks. I am more concerned with the issue of control…..with the who and the why. Leave out all the references to the kids in school. The questions remain. Who is it that is attempting this control of the masses? Why is this faceless entity trying to do this? What do “they” hope to gain? Who are “they” specifically?
What I did for a living has no bearing on the questions that I ask. I am quite familiar with the history of Marxism. Thus, I am well aware that it does not work and never has. Anyone who tries to push Marxism as a viable way to government is a fool. In this world of approx 110 nations, there are precisely four Marxist-Leninist states (China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam) not a ringing endorsement of the philosophy. And yet…..we constantly read here about the commie threat, about Marxist plotting. Those are strawmen.

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2022, 05:23:58 AM »
Ddz: You raise very valid points. My references to speed limits, etc. were not meant as a support for wearing masks. I am more concerned with the issue of control…..with the who and the why. Leave out all the references to the kids in school. The questions remain. Who is it that is attempting this control of the masses? Why is this faceless entity trying to do this? What do “they” hope to gain? Who are “they” specifically?

Are you asking a serious question? Its truly hard to believe that one such as you, has lived so many years, and has not figured out our government is an ever growing, evolving, force bent on controlling every aspect of our lives.
The push now, is to control voting, thereby controlling who is, and who isn't holding office.
Are you truly that naive? Are completely void of common sense, and the obvious?
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2022, 05:44:28 AM »
Ddz: You raise very valid points. My references to speed limits, etc. were not meant as a support for wearing masks. I am more concerned with the issue of control…..with the who and the why. Leave out all the references to the kids in school. The questions remain. Who is it that is attempting this control of the masses? Why is this faceless entity trying to do this? What do “they” hope to gain? Who are “they” specifically?

Are you asking a serious question? Its truly hard to believe that one such as you, has lived so many years, and has not figured out our government is an ever growing, evolving, force bent on controlling every aspect of our lives.
The push now, is to control voting, thereby controlling who is, and who isn't holding office.
Are you truly that naive? Are completely void of common sense, and the obvious?
How could you live so many years, and have missed so much of the obvious in American life?
I do not believe that I am naive. I do believe that I am not a cynic. Cynicism is an art form on this forum. It fosters distrust of everything and everyone who disagrees with a very narrow viewpoint held by an enlightened few. The “government” has been transformed into a entity independent of people. “It” seeks to control “every aspect of our lives”…..why? To what end?

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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2022, 05:54:46 AM »
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Earlier you asked why is forced masking a controll issue; and the answer to that is to exercise 'abstract sense of power', continue the Plandemic agenda, and further the systematic disassemble of the American society---this time focusing on mind bending the kids.
Lets say that your assessment is correct. It still begs the question. What you have described is not end but a means to an end.
Why and who remain unanswered. Who is it that wants to disassemble American society? Why? These are important questions…..you cannot fight an enemy if you don't know who the enemy is.

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2022, 06:28:28 AM »
Ddz: You raise very valid points. My references to speed limits, etc. were not meant as a support for wearing masks. I am more concerned with the issue of control…..with the who and the why. Leave out all the references to the kids in school. The questions remain. Who is it that is attempting this control of the masses? Why is this faceless entity trying to do this? What do “they” hope to gain? Who are “they” specifically?
What I did for a living has no bearing on the questions that I ask. I am quite familiar with the history of Marxism. Thus, I am well aware that it does not work and never has. Anyone who tries to push Marxism as a viable way to government is a fool. In this world of approx 110 nations, there are precisely four Marxist-Leninist states (China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam) not a ringing endorsement of the philosophy. And yet…..we constantly read here about the commie threat, about Marxist plotting. Those are strawmen.

So you think China has had no influence in this country? China owns Biden, his son Hunter, and the whole Biden administration, and you think the players are straw-men? Like Dee,  I can't believe you are asking who this faceless entity is, or what they hope to gain. By you asking that, I find it is no use in discussing this any further with you.   
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2022, 06:31:11 AM »
Ddz: You raise very valid points. My references to speed limits, etc. were not meant as a support for wearing masks. I am more concerned with the issue of control…..with the who and the why. Leave out all the references to the kids in school. The questions remain. Who is it that is attempting this control of the masses? Why is this faceless entity trying to do this? What do “they” hope to gain? Who are “they” specifically?
What I did for a living has no bearing on the questions that I ask. I am quite familiar with the history of Marxism. Thus, I am well aware that it does not work and never has. Anyone who tries to push Marxism as a viable way to government is a fool. In this world of approx 110 nations, there are precisely four Marxist-Leninist states (China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam) not a ringing endorsement of the philosophy. And yet…..we constantly read here about the commie threat, about Marxist plotting. Those are strawmen.

So you think China has had no influence in this country? China owns Biden, his son Hunter, and the whole Biden administration, and you think the players are straw-men? Like Dee,  I can't believe you are asking who this faceless entity is, or what they hope to gain. By you asking that, I find it is no use in discussing this any further with you.   
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2022, 07:25:47 AM »
Ddz: You raise very valid points. My references to speed limits, etc. were not meant as a support for wearing masks. I am more concerned with the issue of control…..with the who and the why. Leave out all the references to the kids in school. The questions remain. Who is it that is attempting this control of the masses? Why is this faceless entity trying to do this? What do “they” hope to gain? Who are “they” specifically?
What I did for a living has no bearing on the questions that I ask. I am quite familiar with the history of Marxism. Thus, I am well aware that it does not work and never has. Anyone who tries to push Marxism as a viable way to government is a fool. In this world of approx 110 nations, there are precisely four Marxist-Leninist states (China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam) not a ringing endorsement of the philosophy. And yet…..we constantly read here about the commie threat, about Marxist plotting. Those are strawmen.

So you think China has had no influence in this country? China owns Biden, his son Hunter, and the whole Biden administration, and you think the players are straw-men? Like Dee,  I can't believe you are asking who this faceless entity is, or what they hope to gain. By you asking that, I find it is no use in discussing this any further with you.   
That was my take on this debate and why I did not get involved as the names and players have been thrown up here many times for any who care to look.

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2022, 01:39:03 AM »

When it comes to kids the Great Reset cult has no mercy for kids ___ they are expendable, to be pedophiled, sold,  experimented, vaxxed, programmed, masked, confused and basically made mentally ill to add to society's collapse.
The masking of kids by these 'school systems' is beyond control, because it's not abortion but post womb cancelation - - to obscure and blot out God's image in a child's face. To create doubt, fear, and control to re-program the innocent, to make them mentally ill to serve the Great Reset beast system.
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...and that is exactly what is happening.  Today's children are the next generation of adults. If their minds are destroyed and molded to be subjects of the tyrannical state. Its all over. There will be no need to worry about who is going to win any future election.  People are so blind. They think the children are trying to be protected by the state with their tyrannical mask rules, stay home policies, etc., All the while the exact opposite is happening right under their noses.  Well said TM.
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2022, 03:22:53 AM »

When it comes to kids the Great Reset cult has no mercy for kids ___ they are expendable, to be pedophiled, sold,  experimented, vaxxed, programmed, masked, confused and basically made mentally ill to add to society's collapse.
The masking of kids by these 'school systems' is beyond control, because it's not abortion but post womb cancelation - - to obscure and blot out God's image in a child's face. To create doubt, fear, and control to re-program the innocent, to make them mentally ill to serve the Great Reset beast system.
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...and that is exactly what is happening.  Today's children are the next generation of adults. If their minds are destroyed and molded to be subjects of the tyrannical state. Its all over. There will be no need to worry about who is going to win any future election.  People are so blind. They think the children are trying to be protected by the state with their tyrannical mask rules, stay home policies, etc., All the while the exact opposite is happening right under their noses.  Well said TM.

And for absolutely nothing.  I live in a very conservative county in Wisconsin and my kids have been going to school uninterrupted since fall of 2020.  They had to wear masks for the first semester in 2020, but then the school realized that it was of no value and dropped that requirement, there is no more contact tracing either.  I do not know or heard of a single child that had any more than a cold from COVID.  And based on information you hear from the "experts" you would think that it would ravage through the school and infect everyone not wearing masks, didn't happen.  Few here, few there all the way along since the beginning, ZERO difference from when masks were required.  Ebb and flow, just like the rest of society including the masked counties.  Dane county is the most liberal county in the state with strict mask mandates and for the third time in a week, Dane county set daily record for COVID cases. 

To anyone with a brain, they can see that the masks do nothing, especially for kids.  So, Darkgael, why would they keep trying to force the issue if not for power and controlling the masses? 

And yes, a dunce of cook with a deadly pathogen with no known treatment that refused to wash her hands after taking a dump is a little different scenario than COVID.
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2022, 04:35:50 AM »
DG. “we constantly read here about the commie threat, about Marxist plotting. Those are straw men”

Bernie made of straw?? The self described socialist almost won the 2020 Dem primary.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2022, 04:52:23 AM »
I don't feel compelled to convince anyone of what the government is doing. These folks are seeing the same thing I'm seeing. If they're that addle brained that the visual, and economic impact isn't sinking in, nuthin I can say, or do is gonna matter.
Let them stew in their on ignorance.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2022, 04:59:09 AM »
   The Marxist are prepping the next generation and patiently  waiting on our generation to die out .

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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2022, 05:10:51 AM »
I think the government has decided that this is their best ever opportunity, and they have accomplished a lot,  in their 1st year.
I also think you guys are wasting your time trying to convince them that are either in denial, or in lockstep with the social engineering.
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