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Big-Block vs. Small-Block V-8: What’s the Difference?
« on: January 19, 2022, 11:46:16 AM »
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I often forget when I see some thing like this that the majority of boys nowdays are not auto educated much less gear-heads; sad the days as when I was young the magazine racks had gaggle of car magazines from mom and pop sedans to all out racing based.


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Re: Big-Block vs. Small-Block V-8: What’s the Difference?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2022, 11:24:39 PM »
its always been kind of like the carbine vs rifle thing. Winchester has called 22inch 1886s carbines. Most would call that a rifle. Small block just means its the smaller block used in that line up of cars. Really to most of us theres only one small block and thats the first gen chevs. i rarely  here a 289 ford or a 340 buick or a 340 mopar called a small block. more confusion? Ive seen people call buick 350s small blocks and there actually the same block that was used in the bigger motors so they would in fact be buick big blocks. This differnce gave the buick gs a substantial weight savings over a big block chev car. blurred even more today. We have storker small block chevs with as much displacement as big blocks in the 70s and even bigger blocked big blocks that push near a 1000 cubic in.
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1211sr-1005ci-godfather-big-block-engine/
now thats a big block. As much displacement in two cylinders as 90 percent of the cars on the road today have total.
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Re: Big-Block vs. Small-Block V-8: What’s the Difference?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2022, 12:58:48 AM »
Back in my day, small blocks from Chevy were the 265, and the 283.
We started big blocks at 327, 409, and 427.

The small blocks came off the line and wound up quicker, and a good shoe as they were called in those days could outrun a big block in a quarter mile if the small block was set up right.

On the other hand, a good big block setup with a good driver could turn that around in 3rd gear.
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Re: Big-Block vs. Small-Block V-8: What’s the Difference?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2022, 01:08:07 AM »
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Back in my day, small blocks from Chevy were the 265, and the 283.
We started big blocks at 327, 409, and 427.
327 was a small block. Smallest big blocks were 348 in the first gen big blocks and 396s in the second gen. some dont consider the first gen X block a true big block but bottom line its the same block that became the first 427. biggest change was in the heads.
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Re: Big-Block vs. Small-Block V-8: What’s the Difference?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2022, 01:12:10 AM »
348s weren't our favorite motors. They were like an old Mercury outboard. Ran like hell, when not having continual problems.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2022, 04:12:16 AM »
it was actually a truck motor designed to give low end grunt to trucks. Problems came when the first ones were dropped in cars and expected to rev and be performance motors. Something they really never did do well because they were a small bore long stroke motor.. They didnt breath well and the cranks and rods didnt hold up real well to being beat on.  The 409s were on the same block and were much better in a performance car but bottom line is the big block never really came into its own till the 396 and 427s with a completely different head came along. the 348 and 409 heads were flat and didnt have a combustion chamber. Compression was determined souly on piston design. The new motor had porcupine heads wiht real combustion chambers. The new 396/427 also had a stronger crank and better rods then the 409 and 348. Actually the 396 came a year before the 427 in 65 but there were some experimental 427s based on the old 409 that were put in some drag cars by chev.
348s weren't our favorite motors. They were like an old Mercury outboard. Ran like hell, when not having continual problems.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2022, 07:04:58 AM »
You'd know more about that than me. My hotrod phase lasted about 2 years in my youth. My interests were more around pickups, good horses, and the girls, not necessarily in that order.

I had an acquaintance that had a slick little 58 Chevy painted orchid. It looked pretty good to me, but the 348 in it was a constant problem. That's pretty much all I knew about'em.

I always wanted an above described 55 Chevy, but not bad enough to give my top 3 priorities.
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2022, 07:29:08 AM »
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Re: Big-Block vs. Small-Block V-8: What’s the Difference?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2022, 08:07:37 AM »
its always been kind of like the carbine vs rifle thing. Winchester has called 22inch 1886s carbines. Most would call that a rifle. Small block just means its the smaller block used in that line up of cars. Really to most of us theres only one small block and thats the first gen chevs. i rarely  here a 289 ford or a 340 buick or a 340 mopar called a small block. more confusion? Ive seen people call buick 350s small blocks and there actually the same block that was used in the bigger motors so they would in fact be buick big blocks. This differnce gave the buick gs a substantial weight savings over a big block chev car. blurred even more today. We have storker small block chevs with as much displacement as big blocks in the 70s and even bigger blocked big blocks that push near a 1000 cubic in.
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1211sr-1005ci-godfather-big-block-engine/
now thats a big block. As much displacement in two cylinders as 90 percent of the cars on the road today have total.
you are correct to a degree in that the 348 and 409 Chevies were the same block but to over simplify, Pontiac up until the new block in the late seventies were same block different bore & stroke and Oldmobile were like AMC they just raised the deck height in the same block.

As I said that is a huge over simplification because on some makes part from early blocks absolutely will not work on later blocks due to design changes..
In the Fifties Chrysler had a lot of true small block Hemis that were unique to them selves.
The BUICK small block is not the same as the BUICK blig block in any way; the first one that replaced the BOP engine used the cylinder heads from the Buuick version of the BOP, on new block.
I did find out recently the first Iron Buick small block was the second lightest small block (discounting the BOP) produced by any one by tens of pounds; too bad back-door boys could not let Buick go raising, like Chevy, Olds and Pontiac did.

Before the last genuine Pontiac engine, the 301, which was a new block, Pontiac had first shaved , a lot, some blocks for Trans-Am racing before a small run of special shot deck blocks were made but then the Oil shortage killed the Trans-Am in it small block only form, racing so they were used by the short lived NASCAR pony car series.
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Even these huge mega blocks come in different deck heights from most engine block caster, from the original 9.8 of the first Chevy big-blocks up to 11.1 with some going higher than that.
The increase in bore spacing is where they really change from the original Chevy 4.84 to 5.00 to 5.20 and finally at 5.30; other makes now also have such a myriad of deck heights and bore spacing even some factory but to a huge degree in the after market.


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Re: Big-Block vs. Small-Block V-8: What’s the Difference?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2022, 08:56:18 AM »
yup the buick 455s were a good 100lbs lighter then a 454 chev. Its one of the reasons some forget that th stage 1 gs buicks were proabably STOCK the quickest car in the 70s. That and 500 ftlbs of torque they produced. Ive faced them before and with a 450 hp 4 speed chevelle. It was the car i feared the most. Thing is about anyone even the guys wife would run one with an automatic and beat about anyone. You hear alot about the ss chevelles and the hemi and six pack dodge and plymouths but the real king on friday night on the streets was a 455 buick. Where they lacked was aftermarked didnt have near the selection of parts back then for them and the parts were more expensive for them then about anything else. There was a sargent from the local afb that used to show up with his and sucker the new racers with his bet. hed say you pick the driver out of the crowd to drive my car and ill put a 100 bucks on the race. He made some money doing it too. Lost a few but won more then he lost. People got wise to it after a while though. But even the fastest guys out there knew that if they made a mistake that buick just kept making perfect passes pass after pass. By the way another old hot rodder motor that was chosen by some for the same reason that it was Light was the old 500 cu in cadilac motors. It put out gobs of torque too. Again the down side was aftermarket parts then were much more scarce then even buicks.
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Re: Big-Block vs. Small-Block V-8: What’s the Difference?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2022, 09:06:34 AM »
bob im a mopar guy too but my old hemi knowlege might be lacking a bit. I believe the first were the chrysler desotas in 52 with 276 and 292 cubes which were not small blocks. then i think in 55 they came out with the 330 and 345 which i think they considered the small block hemis. then they went back to a bigger block again with the 392 and 426s. Now i do know mopars but my knowlege of them begins in the 60s. must have been exciting back in the 50s and 60s when new and better motors came out about every two years..
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Re: Big-Block vs. Small-Block V-8: What’s the Difference?
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2022, 12:45:23 PM »
Early Chrysler Corporation Hemi Engines:
Chrysler 331-392 -- bore centers 4.5625" Deck height 10.32-10.87 Weight  697-737
DeSoto  276-345 -- bore centers 4.3125          "          9.45  -10.37     "      631-669
Dodge   241 -325                       4.1875                     9.29  -10.38            577-611

1964 RB (raised block) Hemi
            426        --                    4.80                          10.725                     675