"in the days of Noah.."

[ironglow]

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  " As in the days of Noah"

    It seems like we are hearing that phrase repeated often and from many different sources.  Do you think these warnings have any significance for us?

     Here's a source;      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRatgJ6K_l0

[Dee]

All of that I've heard many times. It's all one valid point after another.
Whether this is the age is the only question.
Christ said He doesn't knows when himself, that only the Father knows.

Christ says to be ready, he'll come unexpectedly like a thief in the night.
I honestly don't worry about when He's coming.
I'm just trying a little harder to resist the world.

[Dee]

I've always found it strange that as people get older, a certain group of the aged start fixating on "end times" and wishing God would come right away, and rapture them out, and straighten everything up, and kill and send to Hell all the evil doers.

I've never understood that mind set.

God gave us all life, and blessed us with our families, and all the good things of the earth to enjoy.

He blessed us here by being born in a free country, with families, and friends, and life to enjoy.

So why do these older folks seem to dwell on ending what God has obviously blessed us with?
God will decide when it time. I never pray for armageddon, which will mean unimaginable suffering to millions.

God will come soon enough, and in the meantime, I'm gonna enjoy the blessings Hes given me to enjoy, and try to maneuver around the mess the world has created.

HE will come when HE is ready to come.

[ironglow]

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   I don't think it is so much old people who are seeing developments.  As I see it, those who are Biblically well versed are starting to observe events, put things together and add things up.
 
  As I said, there seems to be a renewed interest, primarily because of world events..has zilch to do with age.

    Then too, if you listen..it is not "doom & gloom" but almost invariably, best described as "joyful Anticipation" !

  ..That and concern for the lost...

  I don't agree with everything said by every preacher, but young ones as well as aged ones are carrying the message.
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0F1p6tD_2Q

  ...But yes..you are correct..sometimes a really old codger too gets carried away, and breaks out with some very animated preaching !!!            

    Check this old guy out ;

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ABbktVDIc&t=101s

   

[Dixie-Dude]

I was saved May 19-1972 at a Billy Graham crusade.  I have believed in Christ's return ever since then.  I was young, but began to see the signs of the times.  Abortion, falling away, the power of the Soviet Union, Arab-Israeli problems, plane hijackings.  The lists goes on.  I was relieved when Reagan won, and thought we had a reprieve and maybe a revival in America.  Then along came Clinton, free trade agreements, gays in the military.  Then 911, then Obama and his "changing America".  Trump was another reprieve, then now, gays, trans, pedophilia, street crime, murders, rapes.  It just seems to get worse.  Also Christians overseas being killed, beheaded, locked up.  Bad stuff.  No respect for history, the elderly, each other.  Human life is worthless, but polar bears, whales, and birds are more important.  People believing false things, not just about each other, but stuff like climate change, socialism, etc. 

[mcbammer]

I was saved May 19-1972 at a Billy Graham crusade.  I have believed in Christ's return ever since then.  I was young, but began to see the signs of the times.  Abortion, falling away, the power of the Soviet Union, Arab-Israeli problems, plane hijackings.  The lists goes on.  I was relieved when Reagan won, and thought we had a reprieve and maybe a revival in America.  Then along came Clinton, free trade agreements, gays in the military.  Then 911, then Obama and his "changing America".  Trump was another reprieve, then now, gays, trans, pedophilia, street crime, murders, rapes.  It just seems to get worse.  Also Christians overseas being killed, beheaded, locked up.  Bad stuff.  No respect for history, the elderly, each other.  Human life is worthless, but polar bears, whales, and birds are more important.  People believing false things, not just about each other, but stuff like climate change, socialism, etc.

It is written that all these things must be before the end cometh .  But I dont think it  shocks  the young people today to live in such a world ,like it does the older generation  that remember  descent times . 

[Dee]

They wrote about "the signs of the times" during the Civil War, The Great Depression", WWI, WWII, the Vietnam War, and on, and on.

There have been "signs of the times", and "profits of doom" since the crucifixion of Christ.

It can get a whole bunch worse than this.

[mcbammer]

They wrote about "the signs of the times" during the Civil War, The Great Depression", WWI, WWII, the Vietnam War, and on, and on.

There have been "signs of the times", and "profits of doom" since the crucifixion of Christ.

It can get a whole bunch worse than this.

Actually  , it goes back way further than the Civil War .   All the way back to Genesis . Christ  used an analogy of labor pains of a pregnant women they start slow and increase in intensity  to describe  the last days .

[Dee]

They wrote about "the signs of the times" during the Civil War, The Great Depression", WWI, WWII, the Vietnam War, and on, and on.

There have been "signs of the times", and "profits of doom" since the crucifixion of Christ.

It can get a whole bunch worse than this.

Actually  , it goes back way further than the Civil War .   All the way back to Genesis .

I'm sure it does, but I was speaking about folks in the United States.

[ironglow]

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  Yes folks have been looking for His return, ever snce His ..because that is exactly what He told us to do..and we are just following His instructions.

    There were many prophecies which must be fulfilled, before His return, and gradually over the last two millennium have all been fulfilled.
   Two of them were especially critical..and have been fulfilled..

   1)  " “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

   With the advent of planes, trains and automobiles...people are travelling to places they for distances where they never would have dreamed of, before th e20th century.
   Until the adventof gun powder and/or the industrial revolution, mankind's lifestyle changed very little from Biblical times...  In just the last century or so, man's knowledge has exploded, exponentially..from horse & buggy to space travel..from pencil and paper 'figuring', to computers..
  Today we can in our hand, more computing power, that everything Houston had,when they sent men to the moon.
  Questions that may have  vexed our grandads all their lives, without an answer..the answers at at our fingertips.

  2) Back in Amos  chapter 9...we are told hundreds of years before Jesus' birth, that though the Jews would be exiled, and disbursed all over the known world... He would bring them back to the promised land, and it would bloom and prosper as never before.

  Understanding the parable of the fig tree.. Jesus said that once Israel is back in the promised land..that generation would not all be passed away, before His return..

         The Parable of the Fig Tree
28 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

    He told us to keep our lamps trimmed and ready.......  Exciting times...yes ?

 

[locust]

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  Yes folks have been looking for His return, ever snce His ..because that is exactly what He told us to do..and we are just following His instructions.

    There were many prophecies which must be fulfilled, before His return, and gradually over the last two millennium have all been fulfilled.
   Two of them were especially critical..and have been fulfilled..

   1)  " “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

   With the advent of planes, trains and automobiles...people are travelling to places they for distances where they never would have dreamed of, before th e20th century.
   Until the adventof gun powder and/or the industrial revolution, mankind's lifestyle changed very little from Biblical times...  In just the last century or so, man's knowledge has exploded, exponentially..from horse & buggy to space travel..from pencil and paper 'figuring', to computers..
  Today we can in our hand, more computing power, that everything Houston had,when they sent men to the moon.
  Questions that may have  vexed our grandads all their lives, without an answer..the answers at at our fingertips.

  2) Back in Amos  chapter 9...we are told hundreds of years before Jesus' birth, that though the Jews would be exiled, and disbursed all over the known world... He would bring them back to the promised land, and it would bloom and prosper as never before.

  Understanding the parable of the fig tree.. Jesus said that once Israel is back in the promised land..that generation would not all be passed away, before His return..

         The Parable of the Fig Tree
28 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

    He told us to keep our lamps trimmed and ready.......  Exciting times...yes ?

 

how does Matthew 21:43 figure in to your interoperation
New International Version
43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

[ironglow]

From Locust;

" how does Matthew 21:43 figure in to your interoperation
New International Version
43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
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   A couple points locust;
 
  1) when seeking out s clarification, suggest you not use a "thought for thought" translation ..such as the NIV..
    But use a "word for word" translation, such as the KJV, NKJV, ESV or NASV.
 
    The NKJV says it this way.. " Therefore, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it."    Obviously, He seems to be speaking of a NATION of people

  2) One of the first rules of hermeneutics... who is he talking to?  In vs 23,  it is made quite clear...... he is talking to the "Chief priests and the elders" of the people. So,He is speaking to the not just  , but the leadership of them.

   Need proof, see vs 45 ....." Now when the Chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking to them"

  ...But in any case, that is not jermane to the subject at hand, which is the end times reports.

[locust]

From Locust;

" how does Matthew 21:43 figure in to your interoperation
New International Version
43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
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   A couple points locust;
 
  1) when seeking out s clarification, suggest you not use a "thought for thought" translation ..such as the NIV..
    But use a "word for word" translation, such as the KJV, NKJV, ESV or NASV.
 
    The NKJV says it this way.. " Therefore, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it."    Obviously, He seems to be speaking of a NATION of people

  2) One of the first rules of hermeneutics... who is he talking to?  In vs 23,  it is made quite clear...... he is talking to the "Chief priests and the elders" of the people. So,He is speaking to the not just  , but the leadership of them.

   Need proof, see vs 45 ....." Now when the Chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking to them"

  ...But in any case, that is not jermane to the subject at hand, which is the end times reports.

" a 'nation' bearing the fruits" perhaps its abit broader than you want to think. and then what happened in 70 ?

[ironglow]

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   ...From Locust;

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" a 'nation' bearing the fruits" perhaps its abit broader than you want to think. and then what happened in 70 ?"/color
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   so,  I take it you didn't notice He was talking to the "Chief priests and pharisees"..

     OK..so let's just drop it.. since you won't hear or see..

[locust]

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   ...From Locust;

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" a 'nation' bearing the fruits" perhaps its abit broader than you want to think. and then what happened in 70 ?"/color
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   so,  I take it you didn't notice He was talking to the "Chief priests and pharisees"..

     OK..so let's just drop it.. since you won't hear or see..

did he call the Chief priests and pharisees a nation ?

[ironglow]

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  Let us not indulge in your sophomoric, misbegotten chatter.

[locust]

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  Let us not indulge in your sophomoric, misbegotten chatter.

no , lets

[locust]

(1 Pet. 2:9)
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

[locust]

 “You were once not a people, but are now God’s people.”—1 Pet. 2:10.

[Ranger99]

Christ will return when he returns

I've seen several that hoodwinked their
congregation into believing they knew
it was happening and/or that they
would set everything into motion.
Everybody saw the one in waco.
Used to be one east of town that also
had an early morning television program
and would come on air all cammoed
out and say that if he received xx amount
of money in xx minutes, he would set
the second coming in motion.
He was semi famous around here for
building a huge church and the huge
crowds every Sunday that would block
the interstate with traffic trying to get in.
People would make a big show of
taking off their expensive jewelry and
putting it in the plate on television.
The ushers would have a plate full of
diamonds and Rolex watches and
hundred dollar bills to carry up the aisle.
Church building's still there.
Not sure what happened to the "prophet "

[ironglow]

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  Yes, there are hucksters out there, but they can only succeed when they have kept their people "dumbed down".  Anyone who followed that pied piper you spoke of, had to be quite ignorant of scripture..

     Quite obviously, the coming rapture doesn't require any special donations, or over any property or doing anything other than to "occupy" until He comes.
     For all, the most that means is exercising our granted "gifts".  whatever the gift, we should use it..music, preaching, teaching, serving, counseling etc...especially those with the gift of evangelism..

   None of those require any major cash or property donations.

[ironglow]

(1 Pet. 2:9)
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

   
  OK, Locust. you posted the above verses, so you must know all about it !

  So please tell us if that 'royal priesthood' is alive today..and if they are, please tell us who they are? 
   
   Don't be coy now...just speak right up !    ...Who are they ?

[Lloyd Smale]

yes sir. I chuckle at the so called bible experts even on here that think they know how God thinks. he will come when he wants to come. Every generation found a way to claim it was going to be in there lifetime. Some should use the bible for what its intented. A guide to being a chirstian and less to puff up there egos with there knowledge, memory skills and the ability to read Gods mind. Bottom line is if he intends to come to earth and end this he will do it and doesnt need to warn us and to be honest id rather not know till that day comes and sure dont need some self proclaimed bible thumper telling me its going to be next month when in fact he doesnt have a clue. If your not ready everyday then your christianity is lacking.

Christ will return when he returns

I've seen several that hoodwinked their
congregation into believing they knew
it was happening and/or that they
would set everything into motion.
Everybody saw the one in waco.
Used to be one east of town that also
had an early morning television program
and would come on air all cammoed
out and say that if he received xx amount
of money in xx minutes, he would set
the second coming in motion.
He was semi famous around here for
building a huge church and the huge
crowds every Sunday that would block
the interstate with traffic trying to get in.
People would make a big show of
taking off their expensive jewelry and
putting it in the plate on television.
The ushers would have a plate full of
diamonds and Rolex watches and
hundred dollar bills to carry up the aisle.
Church building's still there.
Not sure what happened to the "prophet "

[ironglow]

yes sir. I chuckle at the so called bible experts even on here that think they know how God thinks. he will come when he wants to come. Every generation found a way to claim it was going to be in there lifetime. Some should use the bible for what its intented. A guide to being a chirstian and less to puff up there egos with there knowledge, memory skills and the ability to read Gods mind. Bottom line is if he intends to come to earth and end this he will do it and doesnt need to warn us and to be honest id rather not know till that day comes and sure dont need some self proclaimed bible thumper telling me its going to be next month when in fact he doesnt have a clue. If your not ready everyday then your christianity is lacking.

Christ will return when he returns

I've seen several that hoodwinked their
congregation into believing they knew
it was happening and/or that they
would set everything into motion.
Everybody saw the one in waco.
Used to be one east of town that also
had an early morning television program
and would come on air all cammoed
out and say that if he received xx amount
of money in xx minutes, he would set
the second coming in motion.
He was semi famous around here for
building a huge church and the huge
crowds every Sunday that would block
the interstate with traffic trying to get in.
People would make a big show of
taking off their expensive jewelry and
putting it in the plate on television.
The ushers would have a plate full of
diamonds and Rolex watches and
hundred dollar bills to carry up the aisle.
Church building's still there.
Not sure what happened to the "prophet "

  Lloyd..we can have a fairly good idea oif what God thinks..just by reading  and studying the Bible..

  You ought to try it some time....

[Lloyd Smale]

I have but i use it as a guide to being a better christian. Not to beat my chest on a gun forum. Or to predict the future which no man can do and heck im sure not God and might not even be one he chooses to let into his home. What im surely not is a preacher and if i wanted to argue scripture it sure wouldnt be on here. All it causes on here is friction. Something id figure by now you would have realized. Most have and its why the religion section has slowed to a crawl here. I can quote any scripture and ask 3 people what it means and get three different answers. What makes yours right. What did your post get? How many agreed with you and how many disagreed or argued?

[locust]

(1 Pet. 2:9)
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

   
  OK, Locust. you posted the above verses, so you must know all about it !

  So please tell us if that 'royal priesthood' is alive today..and if they are, please tell us who they are? 
   
   Don't be coy now...just speak right up !    ...Who are they ?

you should know this. the first of them are the apostles. wow you may even know their names

[locust]

yes sir. I chuckle at the so called bible experts even on here that think they know how God thinks. he will come when he wants to come. Every generation found a way to claim it was going to be in there lifetime. Some should use the bible for what its intented. A guide to being a chirstian and less to puff up there egos with there knowledge, memory skills and the ability to read Gods mind. Bottom line is if he intends to come to earth and end this he will do it and doesnt need to warn us and to be honest id rather not know till that day comes and sure dont need some self proclaimed bible thumper telling me its going to be next month when in fact he doesnt have a clue. If your not ready everyday then your christianity is lacking.

Christ will return when he returns

I've seen several that hoodwinked their
congregation into believing they knew
it was happening and/or that they
would set everything into motion.
Everybody saw the one in waco.
Used to be one east of town that also
had an early morning television program
and would come on air all cammoed
out and say that if he received xx amount
of money in xx minutes, he would set
the second coming in motion.
He was semi famous around here for
building a huge church and the huge
crowds every Sunday that would block
the interstate with traffic trying to get in.
People would make a big show of
taking off their expensive jewelry and
putting it in the plate on television.
The ushers would have a plate full of
diamonds and Rolex watches and
hundred dollar bills to carry up the aisle.
Church building's still there.
Not sure what happened to the "prophet "

  Lloyd..we can have a fairly good idea oif what God thinks..just by reading  and studying the Bible..

  You ought to try it some time....

the kettle calling the pot black ?

[ironglow]

I have but i use it as a guide to being a better christian. Not to beat my chest on a gun forum. Or to predict the future which no man can do and heck im sure not God and might not even be one he chooses to let into his home. What im surely not is a preacher and if i wanted to argue scripture it sure wouldnt be on here. All it causes on here is friction. Something id figure by now you would have realized. Most have and its why the religion section has slowed to a crawl here. I can quote any scripture and ask 3 people what it means and get three different answers. What makes yours right. What did your post get? How many agreed with you and how many disagreed or argued?

  "if i wanted to argue scripture it sure wouldnt be on here. All it causes on here is friction.

  ..So if that is all it does, why are you here, piling more on top?  It would seem that you wouldn't want to add to it...
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  Here's the situation..you and Dee seem to be most upset by my Bible study opinions...OK let's look at it....

  You have it would seem, spent much of your  life building performance cars,, high cubic inches, multi carbs, turbochargers etc..
    I accept that with that experience, you are far better clued in on that subject than I..so I won't debate that with you.
      If I wanted to debate you on the subject, I should study up and hope I could catch up on 40-50 years of experience

  Dee quite evidently, has served  LEO for years, while I never have.. Thus I would most often defer to him during any discussion involving law enforcement practices....only makes sense..

  I wouldn't go off on you guys, just because you know more than I on certain subjects..because you guys have paid your dues..

     I have spent nearly 50 years, studying, teaching and preaching..so is it possible that perhaps that I am into theology as you have been with performance automobiles?

  Since it has been so many years and much study, my views of scripture are not just my own, but most often those of very respected pastors around the country.
     I have a hard time understanding your hostility..even as you admit much unfamiliarity with the subject.

   I wouldn't go off on you guys, calling you fake, chest thumpers or egotists, just because you know more than I on certain subjects..mainly because I know you guys have "paid your dues" in your field.

     So, can't you allow me the same courtesy?

[Dee]

  Here's the situation..you and Dee seem to be most upset by my Bible study opinions...OK let's look at it....

 I have spent nearly 50 years, studying,

So what. That doesn't mean you have it all right.
I ain't "upset" at your "opinions",
I just get tired of your self-righteous narcissistic inability to admit fault on ANY subject, religious or otherwise. In the 16 years I've had the unfortunate privilege of reading your posts its never happened.

[ironglow]

  Here's the situation..you and Dee seem to be most upset by my Bible study opinions...OK let's look at it....

 I have spent nearly 50 years, studying,

So what. That doesn't mean you have it all right.
I ain't "upset" at your "opinions",
I just get tired of your self-righteous narcissistic inability to admit fault on ANY subject, religious or otherwise. In the 16 years I've had the unfortunate privilege of reading your posts its never happened.

   Dee..I have admitted when I was misinformed or plain wrong, at least as often as you have ..

  BTW:  Where do you  find me as offering adverse views to such well known pastors as say; Gary Hamrick, Greg Laurie, Chuck Swindoll or Billy Graham?

   When was the last time i called you names like "self-righteous" or "narcissistic"?  Surely, we  call find reasons to use such terms, but prefer to refrain from unpleasantries.

  Remember..best way to prove i am wrong, is with the Bible itself..