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A note for our lefties here on GBO..
« on: January 29, 2022, 10:04:36 AM »
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  Just a one picture post..but of course, "one picture is worth a thousand words"...

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2022, 10:16:46 AM »
Not really.

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2022, 02:30:33 PM »
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  ...It is truly a graphic depiction of reality !
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2022, 02:46:00 PM »
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  ...It is truly a graphic depiction of reality !
Yep...
No surprise who the lefty is here...

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2022, 02:47:13 PM »
Errr. Limey.

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2022, 02:25:07 AM »
there are at least two on here that admit it. One other i questioned but did take a stand on the other forum that now puts a bit of doubt in my judgement. Probably some others hiding in the closet too.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2022, 03:00:29 AM »
Not really.

Says the British liberal limey.  ::)
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2022, 05:05:49 AM »
looks like i missed one.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2022, 02:57:32 AM »
IG: Remember what happened to the girl on the right.

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2022, 03:54:55 AM »
IG: Remember what happened to the girl on the right.

  Not really... But I take it the photo is from some movie.  The photo appeared on my FB page, and I thought the  picture was self-explanatory.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2022, 07:26:07 AM »
We have one lefty who thinks Biden doesn’t have any control over energy prices.

If keeping up to date, he’s reading about Biden’s Fed nominee who wants to punish banks for making loans to fossil fuel companies.

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2022, 09:15:27 AM »
I can’t imagine anyone of sound mind who,is not having some kind of buyer’s remorse over this moron.

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2022, 09:33:28 AM »
I can’t imagine anyone of sound mind who,is not having some kind of buyer’s remorse over this moron.
Now that must have been tough.
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2022, 09:44:57 AM »
"We have one lefty who thinks Biden doesn’t have any control over energy prices."

Please explain how the US Government has control over energy prices?

Does the Federal Government tell the oil companies how much they can charge for gasoline?
Does the Federal Government tell the oil companies they can't sell the US oil THEY produce, overseas?  (PS We EXPORT record amounts of oil and processed oil products)
Does the Federal government set the WORLD oil price?

I know the answers may be "we don't allow enough production" - but barrels per day production of oil is at record highs?  If we are short at home why do we EXPORT
so much?

I guess the original poster must long for a Socialist Government that sets market prices.

 

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2022, 10:01:22 AM »
"We have one lefty who thinks Biden doesn’t have any control over energy prices."

Please explain how the US Government has control over energy prices?

Does the Federal Government tell the oil companies how much they can charge for gasoline?
Does the Federal Government tell the oil companies they can't sell the US oil THEY produce, overseas?  (PS We EXPORT record amounts of oil and processed oil products)
Does the Federal government set the WORLD oil price?

I know the answers may be "we don't allow enough production" - but barrels per day production of oil is at record highs?  If we are short at home why do we EXPORT
so much?

I guess the original poster must long for a Socialist Government that sets market prices.
You appear to be the one promoting socialism. Oh. And your vote in 2020?

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2022, 10:07:07 AM »
"We have one lefty who thinks Biden doesn’t have any control over energy prices."

Please explain how the US Government has control over energy prices?

The Fed nominee has a few ideas. Something called policy and regulations.

Sort of like when Obama said “Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket”.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2022, 10:29:11 AM »
Back when Jr. was Pres....The Price of Oil and Fuel went up Big time,,,,The Liberals were all Screamin It was cuz Bush was a 'Oil Man" He made the Price Go up.....

So, can the President effect the Price or Not? 

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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2022, 11:11:48 AM »

So, can the President effect the Price or Not?

Well, the Govt can regulate, tax, sue or price about anything out of existence.

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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2022, 01:05:59 PM »

So, can the President effect the Price or Not?

Well, the Govt can regulate, tax, sue or price about anything out of existence.

But, Comrade Bear Says the Government Doesn't do that....   

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2022, 01:52:22 PM »
try this actual data https://www.macrotrends.net/2501/crude-oil-vs-gasoline-prices-chart

Seems that gas prices track with the world wide oil prices...  Oil price up gas price up, oil price down, gas price down.  I guess our NEAR RECORD daily oil production is not having the effect that TM7 would like on world oil pricing.  Oh Oh "the conspiracy is to blame" "the world cabal" can't be stopped...

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2022, 02:09:03 PM »
try this actual data https://www.macrotrends.net/2501/crude-oil-vs-gasoline-prices-chart

Seems that gas prices track with the world wide oil prices...  Oil price up gas price up, oil price down, gas price down.  I guess our NEAR RECORD daily oil production is not having the effect that TM7 would like on world oil pricing.  Oh Oh "the conspiracy is to blame" "the world cabal" can't be stopped...
Yep. Just gas prices. Look over here. Not. Over there. When ya decide to pull your narrow head out of your ass. Please join in...

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2022, 02:21:53 PM »
try this actual data https://www.macrotrends.net/2501/crude-oil-vs-gasoline-prices-chart

Seems that gas prices track with the world wide oil prices...  Oil price up gas price up, oil price down, gas price down.  I guess our NEAR RECORD daily oil production is not having the effect that TM7 would like on world oil pricing.  Oh Oh "the conspiracy is to blame" "the world cabal" can't be stopped...
Ya miss the part where we sold a large part of our strategic oil reserves to China? Yep. Your side again selling out America yet you keep defending these turds. Where does that place you?

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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2022, 02:52:31 AM »
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   Can an administration open our  petroleum market and bring prosperity to our people ?
   
   Can an administration shut petroleum ventures down, and throw that prosperity into the trash bin..handing
      those benefits to others?

   One only need look at the difference between the Trump administration vs the Biden administration.

  We can all see it, and it started the very next day after Biden's 'coronation'.. when he signed for the shutdown of drilling, fracking and pipelines...
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2022, 03:01:05 AM »


Well, the Govt can regulate, tax, sue or price about anything out of existence.

But, Comrade Bear Says the Government Doesn't do that....

orerancher. Good point.. Bear is right. Must have been fake news when Obama opined.  “Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to, uh, retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that on to consumers”.
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2022, 03:45:19 AM »
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  For some reason, the left seems to be motivated to imitate western Europe.  That indeed, seems obvious, but I cannot imagine why !

   Turns out, our left doggedly follows what west Europe SAYS they want to do...but of course, when closely viewed,
    That is just more talk.. rather like Chamberlain, who waved a useless piece of paper,
    claiming.... "peace for our time".

   Words, just words...  Words babble, action talks...
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2022, 04:17:46 AM »
When you stop drilling on federal lands, and you stop cross country pipelines from being constructed, when you stop offshore drilling, you drive up gas prices.  Brandon doesn't have control over the pricing, but has control over a lot of stuff that reflects pricing.  Not only that, but it affects supply, low domestic supply means we have to import the rest at higher prices.  Higher prices means Russia and the Arabs make more money, not us.  Half the land west of the Mississippi is owned by the Federal government.  Grasslands, national forests, desert, etc.  There is a 200 year supply of shale oil out there as well as a 200 year supply of natural gas.  We also have an 800 year supply of coal. 

I don't mind using wind energy, or solar energy, or electric cars.  However, you absolutely can't throw out the baby with the bath water.  If wind and solar are as cheap or cheaper than coal and natural gas, go for it.  However, not many people live in the plains states or near the ocean where there is a lot of continuous wind, or in the Southwest where there is a lot of sun during the day.  There is also 52% of American homes that use natural gas.  Their appliances can last from 15 - 30 years.  I have an oven and cooktop that are 31 years old and still kicking.  Also a water heater, and furnace.  My first furnace lasted 30 years, just recently replaced it.  First water heater lasted 25 years.  If taken care of and not abused, this stuff isn't going away.  Even if we went totally electric on vehicles and had a battery that would go 1,000 miles on a charge, there are 200,000 million cars, trucks, and buses on the US highways.  These are going to be on the road for another 20 years minimum.  They are not going away that fast.  We still need oil, gas, and coal.  Plastics and medicines are made from them as well as fertilizer (natural gas is used to make ammonium nitrates).   We will need fossil fuels for at least 20-30 more years minimum. 

If we did start running out, or the price got high enough, oil for gasoline and diesel can be made from algae.  Natural gas can be made by the Sabatier process using power and water during off peek periods.  Dairy farms and feed stalls can gather enough manure to make 1/3 of Americas natural gas, with fertilizer as a byproduct.  Forcing people to change is not good.  Tax cuts and tax breaks work better.  Germany is using excess wind energy off the North Sea to make hydrogen gas and mixing 20% hydrogen into the natural gas system because their gas comes from Russia, delivered via a pipeline from St. Petersburg under the Baltic Sea to north Germany by-passing the Ukraine and Poland.  Ukraine once cut off the gas going to Western Europe to punish Russia. 

Anyway, we have to look at the big picture.  200 million vehicles on fossil fuels, 52% of American homes using natural gas which is 1/3 of the gas usage, power plants and industry use another 1/3, with commercial using the other 1/3.  Canning and processing foods use a lot of gas because it is easier to maintain pressure than electric.  Also glass making, and melting aluminum uses a lot of gas.  Steel is made from coal, limestone, and iron ore.  It needs coal to smelt it due to the high heat needed. 

Can we go totally wind, solar, and electric cars?  Sure, but it will take an estimated $1 trillion spent over about 50 years.  You have to have hydro, flywheel, or battery storage for nights and low wind.  You also can't forget the nukes.  Nuclear power is now about 20-23% of Americas total power production, and a few new ones are being built.  It ain't going to happen overnight.  Only two countries so far are 98% wind and hydro dams, that is Norway and Scottland.  England is pushing hard to go wind in a few years. 

It is not either or on energy.  It is use what we have as cheaply as possible (government get out of the way), while using some of the new ideas to especially get rid of imported oil.  Also, if we brought our factories home, there will be an increased demand for power and gas.  I know in textiles, you can't singe the lint off finished cloth without natural gas or propane.  A lot of power is needed for motors, injection molding machines, melting rubber, melting plastics, melting metals, melting glass, to be made into products.  Having an abundance of cheap energy encourages companies to make things here. 

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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2022, 05:24:50 AM »
When you stop drilling on federal lands, and you stop cross country pipelines from being constructed, when you stop offshore drilling, you drive up gas prices.  Brandon doesn't have control over the pricing, but has control over a lot of stuff that reflects pricing.  Not only that, but it affects supply, low domestic supply means we have to import the rest at higher prices.  Higher prices means Russia and the Arabs make more money, not us.  Half the land west of the Mississippi is owned by the Federal government.  Grasslands, national forests, desert, etc.  There is a 200 year supply of shale oil out there as well as a 200 year supply of natural gas.  We also have an 800 year supply of coal. 

I don't mind using wind energy, or solar energy, or electric cars.  However, you absolutely can't throw out the baby with the bath water.  If wind and solar are as cheap or cheaper than coal and natural gas, go for it.  However, not many people live in the plains states or near the ocean where there is a lot of continuous wind, or in the Southwest where there is a lot of sun during the day.  There is also 52% of American homes that use natural gas.  Their appliances can last from 15 - 30 years.  I have an oven and cooktop that are 31 years old and still kicking.  Also a water heater, and furnace.  My first furnace lasted 30 years, just recently replaced it.  First water heater lasted 25 years.  If taken care of and not abused, this stuff isn't going away.  Even if we went totally electric on vehicles and had a battery that would go 1,000 miles on a charge, there are 200,000 million cars, trucks, and buses on the US highways.  These are going to be on the road for another 20 years minimum.  They are not going away that fast.  We still need oil, gas, and coal.  Plastics and medicines are made from them as well as fertilizer (natural gas is used to make ammonium nitrates).   We will need fossil fuels for at least 20-30 more years minimum. 

If we did start running out, or the price got high enough, oil for gasoline and diesel can be made from algae.  Natural gas can be made by the Sabatier process using power and water during off peek periods.  Dairy farms and feed stalls can gather enough manure to make 1/3 of Americas natural gas, with fertilizer as a byproduct.  Forcing people to change is not good.  Tax cuts and tax breaks work better.  Germany is using excess wind energy off the North Sea to make hydrogen gas and mixing 20% hydrogen into the natural gas system because their gas comes from Russia, delivered via a pipeline from St. Petersburg under the Baltic Sea to north Germany by-passing the Ukraine and Poland.  Ukraine once cut off the gas going to Western Europe to punish Russia. 

Anyway, we have to look at the big picture.  200 million vehicles on fossil fuels, 52% of American homes using natural gas which is 1/3 of the gas usage, power plants and industry use another 1/3, with commercial using the other 1/3.  Canning and processing foods use a lot of gas because it is easier to maintain pressure than electric.  Also glass making, and melting aluminum uses a lot of gas.  Steel is made from coal, limestone, and iron ore.  It needs coal to smelt it due to the high heat needed. 

Can we go totally wind, solar, and electric cars?  Sure, but it will take an estimated $1 trillion spent over about 50 years.  You have to have hydro, flywheel, or battery storage for nights and low wind.  You also can't forget the nukes.  Nuclear power is now about 20-23% of Americas total power production, and a few new ones are being built.  It ain't going to happen overnight.  Only two countries so far are 98% wind and hydro dams, that is Norway and Scottland.  England is pushing hard to go wind in a few years. 

It is not either or on energy.  It is use what we have as cheaply as possible (government get out of the way), while using some of the new ideas to especially get rid of imported oil.  Also, if we brought our factories home, there will be an increased demand for power and gas.  I know in textiles, you can't singe the lint off finished cloth without natural gas or propane.  A lot of power is needed for motors, injection molding machines, melting rubber, melting plastics, melting metals, melting glass, to be made into products.  Having an abundance of cheap energy encourages companies to make things here.

  ..And that is when the rest of the world can hold America hostage...just as they did with hapless jimmy Carter.
  OPEC tightened the supply, and that drove us into  monster inflation and stagnant economy.  A situation Carter chose himself to label as "stagflation"...     ..And he blamed the public for being in a "malaise" !

     When gas at the pump, goes from $1 to $3.50 and $4.00...and their savings of say...  $15000 have only the purchasing power of $8,000, after he has been in for 2-3 years..why wouldn't the public be in a "malaise"..
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2022, 07:25:54 AM »
When you stop drilling on federal lands, and you stop cross country pipelines from being constructed, when you stop offshore drilling, you drive up gas prices.  H'mmmm 2021 USA was one of the largest oil producers in the WORLD, in 2019 we were the largest producer (we didn't go down much the others just produced more)  Brandon doesn't have control over the pricing, but has control over a lot of stuff that reflects pricing.  Not only that, but it affects supply, low domestic supply means we have to import the rest at higher prices.Why do we export so much oil then???  2019 we were #1 exporter today we are in the top 5???  Higher prices means Russia and the Arabs make more money, not us.  Half the land west of the Mississippi is owned by the Federal government.  Grasslands, national forests, desert, etc.  There is a 200 year supply of shale oil out there as well as a 200 year supply of natural gas.  We also have an 800 year supply of coal. 

When you say the "government" is limiting supply please cite some facts, such as production numbers and export numbers; the numbers I see are not "limited".  I will admit since electricity is a monopoly in most areas the prices are set by government commissions.  It is nice to discuss facts, not just the "infotainment" put forth on the internet and TV shows.

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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2022, 08:20:39 AM »
So, NWB, if you're arguing the gubermint doesn't control pricing and production is high, explain why consumer prices are high....doubling in a year of Bidenism to record highs?
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Price is set by the "Marketplace". Oil companies sell for the highest price they can get - here or abroad.  When world prices for oil rise so do gas prices, please see the chart in my previous post. 

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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2022, 09:04:50 AM »
Yep. nwb has it all figured out. Biden and the dems and nwo crew have nothing to do with this :)
It’s just the “marketplace” :)