Biden's War!

[Dee]

At this moment, Russian separatists (what ever that means) are shelling Ukrainian trenches and Fox news reporters are running for their lives toward a Ukrainian base.
Biden wants this war, he needs this war.

Our northern borders are now controlled by a newly appointed dictator, aka Justin Trudeau/Castro.
The Canadian population will protest, but they will not fight.

Our Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California borders are being overrun by border invaders, and drug Cartels, while the rest of the states sleep, and complain about gas prices.

Texas and Arizona know we are on our own.

What a country.

[Lloyd Smale]

you may feel alone and are probably effected more then me but we all finance that cluster (censored word) of bidens just like we will finance his private war to try to get some popularity and respect by the world. Truth be told that bird has alreayd flown. Hes going to end up sucking us into a full blown war with russia that might just eventually hit our shores be it ordnance or Cibber attacks. It too will hit every amercian right in there pocket while him and his rich buddy's probably profit from it.

At this moment, Russian separatists (what ever that means) are shelling Ukrainian trenches and Fox news reporters are running for their lives toward a Ukrainian base.
Biden wants this war, he needs this war.

Our northern borders are now controlled by a newly appointed dictator, aka Justin Trudeau/Castro.
The Canadian population will protest, but they will not fight.

Our Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California borders are being overrun by border invaders, and drug Cartels, while the rest of the states sleep, and complain about gas prices.

Texas and Arizona know we are on our own.

What a country.

[billy_56081]

Beginning of WW3? I sure hope not.

[Lloyd Smale]

were sure alot closer to it then we were a month ago and in a different universe compared to two years ago. We never been closer since ww2. Not even CLOSE. This makes the cuban missile crisis look like a bar fight.

Beginning of WW3? I sure hope not.

[billy_56081]

I am waiting to see video of the shelling. So far on YouTube all I have seen is reporters running and talking about shelling. I could not hear the explosions and the plumes of smoke in the distance appeared to be smoke rounds or grenades.

[Dixie-Dude]

Remember Eastern Ukraine is populated by a majority of Russians.  They want to break a way from Ukraine and join Russia.  Two provinces are no longer controlled by the Ukrainian government.  They are the ones doing the shelling.  Russia is giving them weapons.  Russia will be able to walk right into these provinces without firing a shot.  We need to stay out of this.  This is really a civil war with Russian speaking eastern Ukraine against Ukrainian speaking western Ukraine.  The Ukrainian government is corrupt and if they lose the eastern provinces to Russia it will hurt our corrupt politicians like Biden.  Eastern Ukraine is the most developed industrially and economically due to the old Soviet Union moving Russians and industry there. 

[scattershot]

1.The Ukrainian president doesn’t seem concerned.
2. Diaper Joe is the only one making a fuss, what’s he trying to hide?
3. This is none of our business.

[phalanx]

1.The Ukrainian president doesn’t seem concerned.
2. Diaper Joe is the only one making a fuss, what’s he trying to hide?
3. This is none of our business.

We can’t afford it anyway. Both finically and united. We are still suffering under our own border problems.

[phalanx]

So, are we sure who is shelling who?

Ethnic Russians were evacuated from Eastern Ukraine because they were coming under attack. Then shelling from Ukraine went  over the border into Russian territory.

But what's amazing is Americans and Congress is about to let an unelected fake president march us into an unnecessary war.
Now I see  Kabala Harris has been rushed to the border _ _ not our border....the Ukrainian border!
.

They can keep her.

[ironglow]

At this moment, Russian separatists (what ever that means) are shelling Ukrainian trenches and Fox news reporters are running for their lives toward a Ukrainian base.
Biden wants this war, he needs this war.

Our northern borders are now controlled by a newly appointed dictator, aka Justin Trudeau/Castro.
The Canadian population will protest, but they will not fight.

Our Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California borders are being overrun by border invaders, and drug Cartels, while the rest of the states sleep, and complain about gas prices.

Texas and Arizona know we are on our own.

What a country.

   My understanding.. The Ukraine "separatists" are those who have been living in the Ukraine since the old USSR broke up.  However, whether by nostalgia or propaganda, Putin has convinced them to side with Russia, rather than their Ukrainian brethren..

   In any case..Putin will do what Putin wants..and Biden will sputter. Biden may as well be a cauliflower, even though he is by now a rich cauliflower.

  The Ukraine is a European problem.  More specifically the Germans, since they have been kissing Putin's butt for years now.  Don't forget, half of Germany was under Soviet domination for 45 years..enough so there may well be some zombie-like Russian loyalists there also.

  Best thing Biden can do is forget the Ukraine border and pay more attention to our own southern border.  ...But is he capable of that ?

[billy_56081]

So, are we sure who is shelling who?

Ethnic Russians were evacuated from Eastern Ukraine because they were coming under attack. Then shelling from Ukraine went  over the border into Russian territory.

But what's amazing is Americans and Congress is about to let an unelected fake president march us into an unnecessary war.
Now I see  Kabala Harris has been rushed to the border _ _ not our border....the Ukrainian border!
.

I wonder if she brought her knee pads?

[Dixie-Dude]

https://otb.cachefly.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Ethnolingusitic_map_of_ukraine-768x536.png

This is a map showing the ethnic groups in the Ukraine.  Two provinces in the east are not even controlled by the Ukrainian government.  They want join Russia.  Then there are several others who are majority Russian.  The Ukrainian border was made by the old Soviet Union not by ethnic groups.  Same as Iraq.  Kurds in the north, Suni Muslims in the center, and Shites in the south.  This doesn't work, never has.  Again, we need to stay out of it. 

[oldandslow]

There is no way we could get that lucky. One look at the old skank and whey will send her right back.

[Lloyd Smale]

just watched a movie last night about when stalin invaded the Ukraine and committed mass murder by starvation and executions. That is putins hero. He wants to be just like him. They said over 7 million were murdered in that genocide. the largest mass murder in the history of man. That is the type of (censored word) were facing today.

[Dee]

And Hitler did it killing 6 million Jews.
Folks here in the United States think these sorts of things can't happen here. But they've happened all over the world, throughout history.

Every single kingdom, country, and government in recorded history, has fallen at one time or the other.

Americans think "we're different".

Every other country, kingdom, and government thought the same thing.

The United States of America is in big trouble, and most are sitting on their hands watching.

[Lloyd Smale]

as long as we prevent global warming half the country doesnt give a rats ass and they only even care about that if it doesnt inconvenience them and its you that suffers not them. I fear some would even welcome the fall of democracy. Some are already in power today. We even have a number of woke liberal admirals and generals running our military. When the most senior marine in this country has his head up biden and harris's ass what chance do we stand.

And Hitler did it killing 6 million Jews.
Folks here in the United States think these sorts of things can't happen here. But they've happened all over the world, throughout history.

Every single kingdom, country, and government in recorded history, has fallen at one time or the other.

Americans think "we're different".

Every other country, kingdom, and government thought the same thing.

The United States of America is in big trouble, and most are sitting on their hands watching.

[pastorp]

Have you ever wondered why the USA is not in biblical end time prophecy? Or why?

[Dee]

Have you ever wondered why the USA is not in biblical end time prophecy? Or why?

No,

Titus Chapter 3 verse 9

[ironglow]

Have you ever wondered why the USA is not in biblical end time prophecy? Or why?

   Sure is a possibility..  From (Ezek38 & 39)  we know that a combine will form, with an eye to destroy Israel.

  " 38 Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, [a]the prince of Rosh(Russia), Meshech, and Tubal (Moscow and Tobolsk), and prophesy against him, 3 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. 5 Persia (Iran), Ethiopia, and [c]Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer (Germany)and all its troops; the house of Togarmah (Turkey) from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

7 “Prepare yourself and be ready, you and all your companies that are gathered about you; and be a guard for them. 8 After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely. 9 You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.”

   Way back in 2010, victor Davis Hanson gave us a preview of Russian actions...
  This during the Obama era..even worse now with Biden.    ...Give him 4 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S3iA8m4KWU

[Bob Riebe]

  " 38 Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, [a]the prince of Rosh(Russia), Meshech, and Tubal (Moscow and Tobolsk), and prophesy against him, 3 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. 5 Persia (Iran), Ethiopia, and [c]Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer (Germany)and all its troops; the house of Togarmah (Turkey) from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

7 “Prepare yourself and be ready, you and all your companies that are gathered about you; and be a guard for them. 8 After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely. 9 You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.”

   Way back in 2010, victor Davis Hanson gave us a preview of Russian actions...
  This during the Obama era..even worse now with Biden.    ...Give him 4 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S3iA8m4KWU

That is pure, nothing but, speculation by the Lindsey type who want to tell God how it will be done, period, nothing backs it up as it is based on  words that people want to say is the same as Russian.

[Dee]

  " 38 Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, [a]the prince of Rosh(Russia), Meshech, and Tubal (Moscow and Tobolsk), and prophesy against him, 3 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. 5 Persia (Iran), Ethiopia, and [c]Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer (Germany)and all its troops; the house of Togarmah (Turkey) from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

7 “Prepare yourself and be ready, you and all your companies that are gathered about you; and be a guard for them. 8 After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely. 9 You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.”

   Way back in 2010, victor Davis Hanson gave us a preview of Russian actions...
  This during the Obama era..even worse now with Biden.    ...Give him 4 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S3iA8m4KWU

That is pure, nothing but, speculation by the Lindsay type who want to tell God how it will be done, period, nothing backs it up as it is based on  words that people want to say is the same as Russian.

Purty much. But he's a Hal Lindsey fan to. We're part of ironglows religious lecture tour. A captive audience so to speak.

[ironglow]

You guys still lathering over some dead guy who wrote sensationalist books in t e 1980s?

  You not only have to get up to date, but up to scripture.  If you doubt what I have been suggesting, check with Universities, such as Liberty, BIOLA, Dallas Theological seminary and hundred other universities who make  close study of the Bible and history.

  If you disagree with me, don't just make accusations, but counterpoint me verse by verse, from the Bible!  I am setting no specific dates.

  More references considered reliable by serious Bible scholars.
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVHnUVcf8Kg

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZLrfXlOccU

  For those who are still hung up on a dead guy named Lindsey,  who wrote a sensationalist book in the 1980s... Do you guys attend a local church where you study the Bible regularly, or do you study diligently on your own?  If not, why try to criticize me?  If you do..let's have at it ..scripturally

  There are differing opinions..Let's discuss them.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmw0uVLunwU

[Graybeard]

Let's keep religious discussion on the religion forum.

[Bob Riebe]

If you disagree with me, don't just make accusations, but counterpoint me verse by verse, from the Bible!  I am setting no specific dates.

  https://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/35/35-3/JETS_35-3_315-328_Tanner.pdf

DO WE OWE RUSSIA AN APOLOGY?
J. PAUL TANNER*
Interest in Biblical eschatology took a quantum leap in America after
World War II, especially with the cultural upheaval of the 1960s and early
1970s. As "the end" appeared more imminent than ever, a plethora of
books on prophecy appeared. Volumes such as Hal Lindsey's The Late
Great Planet Earth popularized eschatology for the evangelical Church,
feeding an insatiable market spawned by the emerging "Jesus revolution."
Every political development was carefully scrutinized for its possible pro-
phetic implications, not the least of which were the cold-war hostilities be-
tween the United States and Russia.

While Bible students scratched their heads in search of Biblical details
regarding America's "end-time role, a consensus prevailed that Russia was
the major eschatological villain.

 A couple of factors contributed to this, theforemost of which was probably the anticommunistic attitude that had en-
gulfed America following the Bolshevik revolution of 1917. The nuclear
arms race that rapidly escalated after World War II only heightened the
intensity of mistrust for Russia. A second factor was the pro-Israel stance
of many evangelicals. Russia had a long history of persecution of Jews,
and the efforts of Russia to form alliances with and arm Israel's hostile
neighbors only seemed to confirm suspicions that it would not be too long
before the Red Army would descend upon the mountains of Israel.
If the second coming of Christ was indeed near and if Israel was to be at-
tacked by a mighty army in the tribulation period, Russia appeared as the
most likely candidate for such hostilities.

In retrospect, however, the attention given to Russia seems disproportionate to the actual Biblical support for
her role. The NT makes no explicit mention of Russia. Those who promote the
idea of Russia's end-time role usually appeal to two passages from the OT—
namely, Ezekiel 38-39 and Daniel ll:40-45. 1 In each of these a military
force from the north is seen to attack Israel in a context of the latter days.

The purpose of this paper is to argue that the reference to a northern
invasion against Israel in Dan 11:40-45 does not find its fulfillment in an
* J. Paul Tanner is professor of Hebrew and Old Testament studies at East Asia School of
Theology, 15 South Buona Vista Rd., Singapore 0511.
1 J. D. Pentecost mentions a few more passages in which a great northern confederacy may
be described: Joel 2:1-27; Isa 10:12; 30:31-33; 31:8-9 (Things to Come [Grand Rapids: Zonder-
van, 1958] 326). These passages, however, are more obscure than the Ezekiel and Daniel pas-
sages, and any eschatological connections are quite unclear.

316 JOURNAL OF THE EVANGELICAL THEOLOGICAL SOCIETY
invasion by Russia. The greater concern, however, is not to correct what
may only be a minor prophetic detail but to point out the inconsistency of
hermeneutics that this interpretation rests on....

[Dee]

Let's keep religious discussion on the religion forum.

Amen ta that.

[ironglow]

  To each his own...

  For each individual that article claims for experts..another can claim as many who see it otherwise. 

   The article mentions J Dwight Pentecost..  Dwight Pentecost taught at Dallas Theological seminary for 58 years..check and see if they basically agree with the evangelical view of eschatology.

  So a J. Paul Tanner claims differently, I furnished several videos by scholars who see it otherwise.

  It does appear that Mr Tanner is ignoring names and translations offered by many linguistic scholars, folks who do know what they are talking about.

  BTW: Is a fellow who makes his living as Dean of THE ARAB CENTER FOR BIBLICAL STUDIES, a truly qualified source for precise information on CHRISTIAN studies?

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Paul_Tanner


   So then , here we stand..apparently at loggerheads. 

[Dee]

  To each his own...

  For each individual that article claims for experts..another can claim as many who see it otherwise. 

   The article mentions J Dwight Pentecost..  Dwight Pentecost taught at Dallas Theological seminary for 58 years..check and see if they basically agree with the evangelical view of eschatology.

  So a J. Paul Tanner claims differently, I furnished several videos by scholars who see it otherwise.

  It does appear that Mr Tanner is ignoring names and translations offered by many linguistic scholars, folks who do know what they are talking about.

  BTW: Is a fellow who makes his living as Dean of THE ARAB CENTER FOR BIBLICAL STUDIES, a truly qualified source for precise information on CHRISTIAN studies?

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Paul_Tanner


   So then , here we stand..apparently at loggerheads.

This is about Joe Biden. It ain't the ironglow religious/prophecy forum.

[Lloyd Smale]

better yet keep the religion to religion forums. nothing on here creates more friction then religion. I dont think theres anyone on here that isnt christain and even if they arent nobody here is going to convince them to come to God or there church or beliefs. Its caused nothing but trouble on here and has turned good people agianst other good people.

  To each his own...

  For each individual that article claims for experts..another can claim as many who see it otherwise. 

   The article mentions J Dwight Pentecost..  Dwight Pentecost taught at Dallas Theological seminary for 58 years..check and see if they basically agree with the evangelical view of eschatology.

  So a J. Paul Tanner claims differently, I furnished several videos by scholars who see it otherwise.

  It does appear that Mr Tanner is ignoring names and translations offered by many linguistic scholars, folks who do know what they are talking about.

  BTW: Is a fellow who makes his living as Dean of THE ARAB CENTER FOR BIBLICAL STUDIES, a truly qualified source for precise information on CHRISTIAN studies?

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Paul_Tanner


   So then , here we stand..apparently at loggerheads.

This is about Joe Biden. It ain't the ironglow religious/prophecy forum.

[ironglow]

   I hope you fellows noticed that I didn't broach the subject of how scripture comes into play, although I feel sure that Pastorp had no intention of ramming a sharp stick into a hornet's nest..