Those EV”s are very strange

[billy_56081]

when i was a lineman we were told exceptable voltage in a home was 115-130. Ive seen them on both sides of it. Two identical transformers on the pole on your street can vary that much and add in differnt wire sizes and loads and there not all going to be the same. Mine runs 117 in the barn and 119 in the house. The two volts come from the fact the barn is 30 yards from the house.We found more on the low side of that then the high side. Your voltage can even vary at different times of the day. At night when theres less load on the electrical system in your town or neighborhood the voltage tends to run higher. The farther you are from the substation the lower your voltage will be and its why we used voltage regulators on the longer circuits

It isn’t 440 anymore its now at 480. 110 is 120, 220 is 240. That all changed about 25 years ago. Get a VOM and check your wall socket. Even now 120 sometimes creeps up to 125. Our construction crew caught it that high. Higher the voltage the lower the amps.

It is common for electricity to brown out down in the 90s in peak demand times.

[Lloyd Smale]

It is common for electricity to brown out down in the 90s in peak demand times.

Still happnes today.  Comically in the same regions that have all the liberals who push of this bs.

[Lloyd Smale]

do you realize how little 300 watts will keep running. thats  2.5 amps. Not even a fast battery charger like the one you have on the shelf in your garage. It will power a couple light bulbs or a cell phone charger. To charge a car youd need a 20,000 dollar solar system. Might keep a car charged if you go to the post office or store once a day and its a 1/2 mile away.

I would think EV will come equipped with 120v inverters, which could keep your home or office powered up during power outages. And 200 or 300 watts of solar panels might keep the EV batteries topped up for that kind of solar generator use.
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[Lloyd Smale]

now think about that one. It would require every manufacture across the world to use the same battery. Then figure a rural gas station gets a 100 people a day. Big one? thousands. Where are you going to store all those batterys? You will sure have some STRONG battery changers. Spending a whole day lifting putting in and taking out BIG batterys would be a JOB! Then try to imagine the battery for that tractor trailer pulling up for diesel!! This is all smoke and mirrors. Its bs ideas the dreaming left is pushing. Right now it would take a fork lift to change them out. Even if technology got to the point they weighted a 100lbs which were far from it wouldnt be practical. then what if its 2 days from payday and you just need a couple bucks worth to get buy and dont have the money to do a complete swap? ITs about as real as flux capacitor's or nuke powered cars. The left is pushing them today. Look at it with that in mind. Who knows what will happen in 20 years but we shouldnt be wasting time and money on something that isnt possible. that money would be better put into cleaner more efficient fossil fuel motors. At least until we have a way to even produce true green energy to charge them. 

Its possible the EV industry goes to quick battery pack exchanges.
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    Sounds good if your changing out batteries in your battery drill , but the size & weight of those car batteries  could  be time consuming .

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Oh for sure. Battery swap stations would have to be built as warehouses and large charging stations having 6 or so battery types, or modular battery designs. Battery designs and EV battery access would be standardized.
So, you pull into a station and by the time you get back from the restroom and getting a coffee and a muffin, the attendants are cleaning your windshield and you and your sparky are ready to go. Your discharged battery goes in for a charge ready for the next customer.
I think that's the plan in Europe. Maybe some kind of battery subscription plan so you never have to worry much about failed batteries on your wallet.
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[Lloyd Smale]

Actually its real easy to argue the people pushing this. Just ask them if there car is electric? If there heating and ac and electrical in there home comes from clean energy. Lets see. We have a country that is about half liberal. The ones pushing this. The power company i worked at was forced by the govrernment to produce am ammount of green energy. Choices were solar, wind and hydro. We had a couple small hydros so they added some wind and solar to it to make there quota. To help fund it they allow people to choose green enrgy on there bill which is more expensive. .02 percent of the people choose it. Sure falls short of the 50 precent for it. What they want is green energy that I PAY FOR. They werent even willing to pay a 10 percent increase in there bill to help "global warming" Its like pelosi saying ban the russian oil but dont allow us to produce a replacement for it. So the prices go up. Why would she give a crap. She has a chauffer and two or three body guards in her limo that we pay for. She is worth MILLIONS. If she had to buy a 100 gallons of gas it would be about like me buying a stick of gum. Look at harris. Ready to fly back over to represent us in unkrain again. One air force two. Those two trips over there and back that we all know is a total waste of time and if anything hurts us used more fuel them all of us here do in a year. Where is THERE GREEN?? Ill tell you where. In the bank!!!

[Lloyd Smale]

it wont keep your home powered either unless all you need is a few lights. Its not near enough to even run a furnace or one fridge. I dont understand why some here are even trying to justify this or make sense out of it. I guess its because you dont have a real grasp on electricity. What it is is a far left liberal agenda that is the major thing making this country weak today.  Now if you had a 3000 watt generator you might get by. i have a 5000 watt generator and in an outage i have to unplug things and rotate some of the large things like freezers because thats not enough. 300 watts? Maybe a couple lights and if you turn them off you can run your toaster. These arent cell phone batterys your trying to charge. There massive batterys that require rewiring you home to charge. I dont think they even make a gas generator that small. Yup ford advertizes you can power your home with there truck in an outage. Probably can but when the lights come back on and your truck is flat your sure not heading into work. ME? i guess i look at it a bit more logicaly. Lights go out i can run my generator on gas or propane. Might cost me 20 bucks for gas but that might happen once or twice a year at most and im sure not buying an 90k truck to get by when my 600 dollar generator and 20 bucks in fuel will do it. We had a week long outage once i can remember. Couple of the gas stations ran generators so they could pump fuel. What are you going to do with your electric car in that situation? Any ideal how big of a generator they would need to charge cars? I can about bet you theyd be hauling it on a flat bed truck (diesel powered) This isnt my first rodeo. Other then 8 years in the military i spent my whole life in the electrical generation and distribution field. 6 years as a power plant operator and 24 as a lineman. 300 watts might just charge your car but i hope you have a week or two to wait. If solar was the answer the new electrics would have them on the roof and VERY few do. Why? Because they would cost alot more then what youd gain. But keep dreaming. Pelosi and shummer are betting you will.

[Lloyd Smale]

yup and by then we will be able to fly to the moon for supper. Talk about something you understand.

Definitely,,,,,,engineering, planning and infrastructure created, and battery technology improved. Battery modular change would have to be quick. Changed out batteries would be quick charged in 15 minutes ready to go for next customer.
First thing any engineering firm in charge of such a large project is can naysayers.
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now think about that one. It would require every manufacture across the world to use the same battery. Then figure a rural gas station gets a 100 people a day. Big one? thousands. Where are you going to store all those batterys? You will sure have some STRONG battery changers. Spending a whole day lifting putting in and taking out BIG batterys would be a JOB! Then try to imagine the battery for that tractor trailer pulling up for diesel!! This is all smoke and mirrors. Its bs ideas the dreaming left is pushing. Right now it would take a fork lift to change them out. Even if technology got to the point they weighted a 100lbs which were far from it wouldnt be practical. then what if its 2 days from payday and you just need a couple bucks worth to get buy and dont have the money to do a complete swap? ITs about as real as flux capacitor's or nuke powered cars. The left is pushing them today. Look at it with that in mind. Who knows what will happen in 20 years but we shouldnt be wasting time and money on something that isnt possible. that money would be better put into cleaner more efficient fossil fuel motors. At least until we have a way to even produce true green energy to charge them. 

Its possible the EV industry goes to quick battery pack exchanges.
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    Sounds good if your changing out batteries in your battery drill , but the size & weight of those car batteries  could  be time consuming .

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Oh for sure. Battery swap stations would have to be built as warehouses and large charging stations having 6 or so battery types, or modular battery designs. Battery designs and EV battery access would be standardized.
So, you pull into a station and by the time you get back from the restroom and getting a coffee and a muffin, the attendants are cleaning your windshield and you and your sparky are ready to go. Your discharged battery goes in for a charge ready for the next customer.
I think that's the plan in Europe. Maybe some kind of battery subscription plan so you never have to worry much about failed batteries on your wallet.
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[oldandslow]

Lloyd and I get crossways now and then on some subjects but I am in total agreement with him on this subject. My time with the power company was much shorter but I learned something about what is required to power a home. 300 watts doesn't make a drop in that bucket.

[Lloyd Smale]

oldandslow like you know theres big difference in those that actually understand the realities in the electrical grid in this company then those who wear tin foil hats and believe what the democrats spread on the internet. Id tell him to go buy one those 300 watt solar pannels but unless he camps and needs to run a light bulb and charge his phone id hate to see someone on here piss away 500 bucks on something that will end up collecting more dust then sun.

[Lloyd Smale]

your obviously the expert so spend your money as you like. By the way what kind of electric car do you drive? Im sure being so convinced you already have one because if not its hard to imagine your convinced. Heck if i thought i could drive for free there would probably be one in the garage. but keep pushing them. One things for sure. Biden and pelosi need all the cheerleaders and blind followers they can amass.

[oldandslow]

I give up. Forget I said anything. Go peddle your fairy dust and rainbows somewhere else and I will live in the real world.

[billy_56081]

The biggest problem we face with electric vehicles is WE DO NOT PRODUCE ENOUGH ELECTRICITY.  If everyone went to and electrical vehicle tomorrow the grid would fail. 300 watts isn't enough for recharging one unless you give it 6 months of sunshine.

[Lloyd Smale]

and it takes a real dumb ass to not realize that electric rates will go up right along side of increased fuel costs. Power plants use either natural gas which is going up too or coal which is not only going up too but has to be transported by ship or truck to power plants and they dont run on pixy dust and sure arent powered by the electrical fairy in the ground Like i said biden pelosi and shummer even have one here believing there lies. Well i shouldnt say belives. Just like to pretend he knows because if he believed that generator would be plugged into a prius. some talk the talk and some walk the walk. Funny a guy can post constantly about the goverment lying but will take this bs electric car crap the far left goverment is pushing as fact. Even 90 percent of the liberals dont buy into this crap and use as much fossil fuel as we do. The absolute only reason why the government pushes these lies is there popularity ratings are tanked and the only people that are standing with them are the far left "global warming" hippys. Biden just doesnt want his popularity rating to set an all time record low and go down in history as the least liked president of all time. So he caters to the last of his voters. Even though there blind and stupid.

 Sad thing is they are using this russian oil thing to push it even harder. Cut russian oil but dont let us produce more. thats insanity. All to force electric cars down our throats. I always said i would hope nobody here makes the mistake to buy an electric car and suffers financially  because of the stupid idea. But in this case I DARE him to buy one. Then come back to me in 5 years and tell me how much he saved. Then come back again at trade in time with his pants down and ky jell smeared on his lower body. I do have a use for his overpriced weak generator though. I keep a small 12vt gas transfer pump in case the power goes out and i need to pump fuel from another car or the tanks at the gas station. It would be good for that. But then i can use the battery in the car i drove there. 

The biggest problem we face with electric vehicles is WE DO NOT PRODUCE ENOUGH ELECTRICITY.  If everyone went to and electrical vehicle tomorrow the grid would fail. 300 watts isn't enough for recharging one unless you give it 6 months of sunshine.

[Lloyd Smale]

heres a solar gen that has 100 watt pannels that puts out the same power as hes claiming. https://www.homedepot.com/p/NATURE-S-GENERATOR-3600-Watt-5760W-Peak-Push-Button-Start-Solar-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-4-Solar-Panels-Power-Pod-and-Wind-Turbine-HKNGPTELW/313930671?MERCH=REC-_-pipsem-_-316961007-_-313930671-_-N&  for the price of that i could buy my 5kw gas generator and 2000 dollars in propane. If i cant get propane i can run gas. What do your run that solar one on if like up here in the winter theres not a sunny day 6 days a week. This is a cheap model. Ive seen them at the same power level that run over 4000 dollars. Probably handy for a camper who camps in wilderness camp sites but for a home its a toy. Basicaly a decent idea for a back up to your back up but at that kind of money it makes about as much sense as an electric prius or nancy pelosi. Now if its a 300 watt unit like he first claimed and not a 3000 watt its about useless. But even a 3000 watt generator isnt enough to run your house without alot of creative plugging and unplugging. Not unless you live in a tiny cabin with wood heat and one refrigerator and no freezer and MAYBE a small water pump. A 1/2 horse water pump pulls 375 watts running and probably close to double that at start up.

Ive wired a few generators in the last couple years for buddys. I tell them if they want to save money like i did to buy one thats a 1/3 of what there service enternce is. So for a 100 amp service you want 30 amps minimum. that 3600 watts and with that you have to watch start up loads for freezers fridges and water pumps. 1/2 is better if you can afford it.  I tell them there about pissing away money unless they but at least a 5kw generator. I use a 5 because i got it from a buddy as part of a trade for an old truck. If i would have went out to buy a new one it would have been at least a 7.5 kw. My brother in law is a retired dentist and has a bit of money. He had one of those fancy auto start gen set up installed in his house because he goes away in the winter and wants the security if his power goes out that his house wont freeze. He has a 4 bed ranch with a 200 amp service and only one fridge and one freezer and they guy came in looked at his power bill and recomended a 12kw unit. They said they wouldnt warrantee anything smaller. now all that said i realize tm said hes not planning or running his house off of his toy. But i dont understand why someone would spend that much and not have that capability. Only logical reason would be camping or like back when i raced snowmobiles and dirt bikes and we had a generator to power tools at the track. But now the track has a pit building for working on stuff if you break and most campgrounds have power at the sites and this guy isnt a camper. I never saw the back to nature camping in basically a trailer park. My concern is my home.

[Lloyd Smale]

yup i think they truely believe that theres an electrical fairy that lives with the tooth fairy and the easter bunny that gives them green electricity. Just dont understand how a clear thinking even remotely intellgent person will defend this bs. You want a conspirisy theroy?? Green energy and global warming and relying on solar energy are right up there at the top.

I give up. Forget I said anything. Go peddle your fairy dust and rainbows somewhere else and I will live in the real world.

[Lloyd Smale]

well if you call highjacked posting an opinion that about everyone but you agrees with then call it what you will. Sorry that i dont buy into your left wing solar fantasies. What exactly did you do for a living. I spent most of my life in the electrical business and my opinions like a few others here came from REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE. You seem to be an expert on everything. Im kind of curious as to what you actually did for a living. Maybe a doctor because you want us all to believe your an expert in the covid field too. Amazing how brilliant someone can pretend to be with a simple internet search. When i want house framing advice ill ask a carpenter, when i want plumbing advice ill ask a plumber. When i want electrical knowledge ill ask an electrician. When i want medical advice ill ask a doctor. In no case do i ask a conspiracy theorist with a tin foil hat and a lap top.  You can have this one now Doctor Tesla

[Dixie-Dude]

Solar and wind energy is now 13% of production.  This is all within the last few years.  It is going to take time.  Germany is pushing excess wind and solar into making hydrogen.  They found out they can push 20% hydrogen into their natural gas system without any equipment changes.  Then burn it to produce electricty during peek demands.  Norway and Scottland are now producing 98% of their power from wind and hydro dams.  The North Sea is going to eventually be full of offshore windmills.  Germany, Holland, Norway, Denmark, and England as well as Scottland and Norway are still putting up more windmills.  Saudi Arabia is putting up solar panels like crazy.  The world is changing. 

Solar and wind costs are now cheaper than natural gas. 

In the meantime however, we have got to drill and build pipelines for the existing vehicles and gas manufacturing, fertilizer, and canning factories.  200 million cars and trucks and 52% of households, as well as the need for making fertilizer, glass, and canning of foods in America need gas and oil for at least the next 20 years. 

[Graybeard]

canning of foods in America need gas and oil for at least the next 20 years.

Dixie Dude, what part does gas play in canning of foods? I must me missing something here.

H²

TM7, Hydrogen isn't H² it's just plain H. You only need the H² when you add O to it to make H²O or water. Otherwise it's just plain old H. BTW put two hydrogen atoms together and bond them and you have helium.

[Bob Riebe]

Solar power’s greatest challenge was discovered 10 years ago. It looks like a duck.

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/3/20/17128478/solar-duck-curve-nrel-researcher
It has now been 10 years since NREL’s fateful discovery, and in the interim, the duck curve has become a serious threat to solar and a shared obsession among the clean energy community.

If it doesn’t get solved, things could get ugly. In the near future, utilities could regularly be forced to ramp up their dispatchable plants for a morning peak, then scale back or shut down almost all of those plants while the sun is out, and then bring them all back online (quickly) when the sun goes down.

All that ramping and stop-starting is expensive and unfamiliar to the operators of many fossil fuel power plants. If the tension gets too high, solar expansion could be choked off.

[billy_56081]

Well my solar generator is 40lbs of lithium storage with 300 watts of panels and capable of 2000 watts continuous and 3600 watts surge.
It can charge from AC from 6% to full in 1.5 hours, from car or truck in 3.5 hours, and solar panels in 6.5 hours give or take. It runs a fridge, battery chargers, cpap machines never needs gas is silent. In grid down situations I could probably get by for weeks with careful management.

An EV could be configured as a solar generator, and if draw was minimal you could get by for weeks in a grid down, and maybe keep topped up with just 300 watt of panels. The EV would have tremendous amp/hour reserve, and you could drive to town for beer.... can't drive a generator.
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300 watts times 6.5 hours comes out to 1950 watts total. This being of course 100 percent light on the solar panel.  At 2000 watts your little battery pack won't last long. It should say on ot somewhere what the Amp hour capacity is, please share that information or the brand and model so we can disect this with math.

[billy_56081]

Actually hydrogen as a gas we use or find in nature is diatomic as H²

Hydrogen is the chemical element with the symbol H and atomic number 1. Hydrogen is the lightest element. At standard conditions hydrogen is a gas of diatomic molecules having the formula H₂. It is colorless, odorless, tasteless, non-toxic, and highly combustible. Wikipedia
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The big problem with hydrogen is containing it. The junctions leading from the tank to the engine are very critical.  Much like the helium in a balloon escaping,  hydrogen is even smaller on a molecular level.

[Bob Riebe]

H2 is molecule of Hydrogen which is found as a gas; H is the element hydrogen as listed in the atomic chart.

[Dixie-Dude]

Almost food canning and processing is done with natural gas.  It is easier to hold a continuous pressure as food is canned.  It is used in boilers also.  It is also cheaper in large industrial sized equipment than electric.  The food has to be cooked or sterilized in the canning process.  Quickest and cheapest is with natural gas.  Price of gas goes up, price of processed food goes up.  I also have seen an an aluminum automobile wheel manufacturing plant near me.  They take scrap cans and aluminum, melt it with gas and make the wheels from the recycled aluminum.  1/3 of natural gas is used for residential customers.  The other 2/3rds is used in industry, commercial, and power production. 

Oxygen is also found in the air as O2, not just as O.  Two connect until they are bonded with something else.   

Germany is using excess wind power during off peeks and splitting water to get the hydrogen.  They are pushing 20% hydrogen into the gas system without any ill effects.  They then burn the mixed gas to produce power during peeks.  It cuts their natural gas imports from Russia by 20%.  They just recently started doing this. 

[billy_56081]

Hydrogen is diatomic in nature. When we write chemical reactions concerning hydrogen gas we normally write it as H² because two atoms of hydrogen are involved in the reaction,
Hydrogen is one proton circled by one electron, but as I said it's diatomic.
Helium is actually two electrons bound by electromagnetic force to a nucleus of two protons along with either one or two neutrons, depending on the isotope

Off the top of my head, I recall my generator has 800 amp hour reserve.
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You seem to be ignoring my first post about your solar generator.  Please share with us the make and model.  We need this information so we can dissect how a 300 watt solar panel can provide so much power.  It is ohms law, simple math almost anyone can do.

[Lloyd Smale]

give him some time to look up one on the internet to claim he owns. Keep in mind too that ohms law doesnt apply to solar energy. The biden administration wouldnt allow that. They have made it MAGICAL. They have made it so that manufactures of them can claim anything and not have to answer for it. Just like the range ratings on electric cars. the epa makes any car manufacture have to epa certify gas mileage by actually testing fairly agasint other cars. Electrics? No testing needed. Pick a number out of the air or run them in sunny california on a flat road under perfect conditions with no ac or heat then add 20 percent and if anything the biden administration is pissed because you didnt add 30 percent. No need to talk battery life just make a claim on that too. Most with common sense know this and thats why so few are sold today.

 The only reason those few ar sold is our tax dollars subsidies the prices and the research and development. If you had to pay yourself instead of making me pay for the real cost of those cars and the r&d it took to make them NOBODY would buy one. One thing ive saw and id bet most here have too is the liberals like things WE payed for and if it comes to the point it cost them more they could give a rip about global warming. Kind of like pelosi saying we need to quit buying russian oil. Her only reason is that it will force more of the bs down our throats and cost us much more at the pumps so that she can better push her agenda. Its not that there blind to the fact that electric cars dont make sense. they dont care. Allow cheap oil to be produced and electric cars die fast. Then they loose that socialist power over us forcing us to march to the dealership like zombies to buy what they mandate. This green energy crap is the biggest lie they push.

 They know they cant justify electric cars with facts so they are trying to jack the price of fuel up so high that they make sense. what they dont tell you is the price of electricity to power them and the price of everything you buy goes up right along with the price of oil. Any claimed conservative trying to justify it is as guilty as they are of pushing this lie or are just stupid. What they absolutely are not is a real conservative because it all is completely opposite of the definition of conservative. Youd think theyd have enough sense to look at whos pushing this and whos pushing against it. Defend this bs and your right there with biden and pelosi trying to weaken our country and are responsible for the crap storm we are in the middle of today. Look at putin. Do you think hed be where he is today if we were energy independent and could supply those other countries with the oil they get from russia? Look at how much of his gnp is spent on green energy. Look how much china spends, korea spends. We build solar Pannels and they build an army. We waste our time with this claim were saving the planet when in fact were just a drop in the bucket of global pollution. We buy russian oil and somehow they justify that it makes us green!! We sure will have some nice federal forest to hand over to the chinese and russians. My guess is they start drilling on it about a week after they take it. If fact this new green deal bs is a much more powerful weapon for russia then any nuke. they can sit back and watch us destroy ourselves and not even slap a mag in an ak. But at least when they come tm7 can power a couple light bulbs to see them coming. Im sure though he can find a way to blame covid vaccines on it when it happens.

[Lloyd Smale]

 800 amp hours is 96000 watts at a 120 volts for an hour. Thats 4000 watts continuous for 24 hours or about 35 amp load for 24 hours. That isnt even factoring in the loss through your invertor.   After that your batterys are dead.  My gas generator is only capable of producing 40 amps running full load wide open. it would probably take a 10,000 dollar system and some huge solar panels to even get 40 amps continuous. Well in fact a system that put out more then 96000 watts a day or a 4000 watt solar panel taking in sun 24/7.  A 300 watt solar panel is capable of producing less then 3amps at a 120 volts when the sun is shining under perfect conditions. So for MAYBE half the day on a perfect day you have a 300 watt generator. Even if you have a battery bank capable of storing that much power it  will power your home for 24 hours then your down to a light bulb. What you basically have is a battery pack and a trickle charger. a tesla has a 230 amp hour battery (at least thats what they claim) So your battery pack is 3 times bigger then what they use??  https://www.bing.com/searchq=how+long+would+it+take+to+charge+a+tesla+with+a+300+watt+solar+panel&cvid=3a3125238e7d433cb03cefb28a283248&aqs=edge..69i57.14744j0j9&FORM=ANAB01&PC=LCTS. thats a bit misleading too because it takes 260 hours of the sun shinning under perfect conditions for your solar panel to do it so lets double that. .  So a month to two months to charge your 800 amp hour (ac rated) battery pack which must be HUGE. A typical car sized battery produces 800-1000 watt hours (DC). Are your figuring amp hours at 12 volts not at the 120 volts you need in your home. .  It would take the equivalent of 12-16 car batterys to store that much power and if your talking 12 volts you need to divide all the capability's i gave you by 10 if your running it on an inverter and at a 120 volts because that makes your amp hours at a 120vt ac 80 which is much more believable for a toy like that   

Hydrogen is diatomic in nature. When we write chemical reactions concerning hydrogen gas we normally write it as H² because two atoms of hydrogen are involved in the reaction,
Hydrogen is one proton circled by one electron, but as I said it's diatomic.
Helium is actually two electrons bound by electromagnetic force to a nucleus of two protons along with either one or two neutrons, depending on the isotope

Off the top of my head, I recall my generator has 800 amp hour reserve.
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[billy_56081]

Billy.. that's right. About 1.9kw in 6.5 hour, or 300 watt panel more realistically 10 hours yields 2.5 kw with good light.
So, if I'm in a grid down situation and I manage my home to avg 150 watts for 6 hours in the evening, >1/kw per day, will I have enough solar power the next day to recharge my battery pack to full?  I think so, at least alot of RVers and live aboard boaters can do it. Than add a wind gen to the system for more Kw to recharge.
Of course, a grid down usually is only a few hours so most people just plug in their generator to recharge. But in extended grid down one could quietly carry on life managing E usage.
Before this discussion got off the tracks, I just mentioned that it would be nice option if an EV could be configured to AC source and then possibly recharge by solar which would be handy.
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150 watts to run your home? That is not enough to run a few light bulbs. RVers have generators and a majority of the time are plugged into the grid. Yes you can run a few light bulbs and charge your cell phone with 150 watts, but no AC, refrigeration, and definitely no electric stove. Now please share your make and Model for your solar generator I would love to discuss the specs.

[phalanx]

An amp clamp, current transformer, meter is handy to have around. I tested my electric stove and it was 12 amps. But that was the oven the burners were not on.

[Lloyd Smale]

typical fridge (small one) takes about 300 watts to keep running for an hour and a start up wattage of about a 1000 watts. Even a 1000 watt gas generator is borderline to small and the heavy start up load can damage the gererator and refriderator compresson motor. A is small freezer uses substantialy more. A microwave. A 1000 watt microwave has has start up of 1500 watts. 1/2 hp water pump. A 1000 running and 2000 start up. Trying to force a to small generator to do more then its rated for will cost you money. It will destroy electronic and appliances. What happens i when voltage dips amperage spikes and that causes heat FAST. Its like turning your wires into toaster elements. Like you said a 150 watts is cat piss. It will run a couple light bulbs. A cell phone charger maybe a small radio. If thats all you need for power to get you through an outage your better off buying a couple deep cell boat batterys  and an invertor and when the power comes back on hook them to a battery charger. Or spend 1/3 as much and buy a 1000 watt generator. Something like a little 1000 watt honda inverter generator will run about all day on a gallon of gas. But none of those choices are going to power your home in an outage. Not even close.

Billy.. that's right. About 1.9kw in 6.5 hour, or 300 watt panel more realistically 10 hours yields 2.5 kw with good light.
So, if I'm in a grid down situation and I manage my home to avg 150 watts for 6 hours in the evening, >1/kw per day, will I have enough solar power the next day to recharge my battery pack to full?  I think so, at least alot of RVers and live aboard boaters can do it. Than add a wind gen to the system for more Kw to recharge.
Of course, a grid down usually is only a few hours so most people just plug in their generator to recharge. But in extended grid down one could quietly carry on life managing E usage.
Before this discussion got off the tracks, I just mentioned that it would be nice option if an EV could be configured to AC source and then possibly recharge by solar which would be handy.
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150 watts to run your home? That is not enough to run a few light bulbs. RVers have generators and a majority of the time are plugged into the grid. Yes you can run a few light bulbs and charge your cell phone with 150 watts, but no AC, refrigeration, and definitely no electric stove. Now please share your make and Model for your solar generator I would love to discuss the specs.

[Bob Riebe]

This sounds a like the basic being told how to live your life the way the DNC wants to force on the gullible populace.

The other half has a heating pad on 16 hours a day due to physical ailments; I, suddenly and I mean suddenly, have hip that feels much , much better if I use a heating pad, when ever I lay down.
I loathe the curly-cue fluorescent light bulbs and have a similar feeling for LED; I like the color of incandescent and they do heat a small room when on , far more that most realize. (before this house was rewindowed, we used to turn them on in the main bathroom and hour before use as it made it more comfortable {but overly hot in summer}).

I do not like electric cooking ranges but the other half's newer glass-top actually has some advantages ove gas, if cooing something prefers a double boiler, the burner switching on-off-on-off if you keep stirring pretty much eliminates scorching that happens with gas or old style electric ranges.

Down home I use old school Christmas lights which are on for six to eight hours a day; yes, I can see it in my electric bill but I really don't  care, I also have two tea kettles on top of the kitchen space heater at my other house which was last updated by Dad in 1963
and even after installing new windows, (the govt. did it for free for mom 16 years ago) the temp. in the kitchen without the space heater is between 53-58 degrees and in a hard sub-zero winter I do have frozen pipes problems.

I leave it that way partly due cost (and wall papering and repainting it what it really needs) and I like in the morning turning up the thermostat and sitting with my feet in front of wall furace that is 59 years old, so to hell with solar heating and wind mills, I like my way of life.