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Re: What will America do?
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2022, 07:06:43 AM »
In order to believe that the 2020 election was not cheated and rigged, you would also have to believe the voters in general are absolutely insane.  America (the USA) was enjoying the best economy ever--even though suffering through a Chinese germ warfare attack, but we had solid leadership by probably the hardest working President ever.  And then an election comes along and the voters flush the whole thing down the crapper and elect an idiot who doesn't know his butt from his elbow and has no leadership qualities ever.  Give us a break.
About the “best economy ever”……maybe maybe not…..Trump’s legacy was certainly affected by the pandemic. If you have the time: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/business/us-economy-trump-vs-other-presidents/

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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2022, 07:35:55 AM »
In order to believe that the 2020 election was not cheated and rigged, you would also have to believe the voters in general are absolutely insane.  America (the USA) was enjoying the best economy ever--even though suffering through a Chinese germ warfare attack, but we had solid leadership by probably the hardest working President ever.  And then an election comes along and the voters flush the whole thing down the crapper and elect an idiot who doesn't know his butt from his elbow and has no leadership qualities ever.  Give us a break.
About the “best economy ever”……maybe maybe not…..Trump’s legacy was certainly affected by the pandemic. If you have the time: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/business/us-economy-trump-vs-other-presidents/
Trump’s legacy was certainly affected by Chinese collusion... Among others.
cnn? Come on man... the thing. You know. The thing.

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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2022, 07:52:54 AM »
In order to believe that the 2020 election was not cheated and rigged, you would also have to believe the voters in general are absolutely insane.  America (the USA) was enjoying the best economy ever--even though suffering through a Chinese germ warfare attack, but we had solid leadership by probably the hardest working President ever.  And then an election comes along and the voters flush the whole thing down the crapper and elect an idiot who doesn't know his butt from his elbow and has no leadership qualities ever.  Give us a break.
About the “best economy ever”……maybe maybe not…..Trump’s legacy was certainly affected by the pandemic. If you have the time: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/business/us-economy-trump-vs-other-presidents/
Trump’s legacy was certainly affected by Chinese collusion... Among others.
cnn? Come on man... the thing. You know. The thing.

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Re: What will America do?
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2022, 09:25:00 AM »
“The thing” …..I am not dissembling. I really do not know what “the thing” is. A little help.
About CNN….I do understand that CNN has fallen from grace. As far as I can tell, though, CNN assembled those bits of data. Is the data itself suspect?
The problem with presenting information to fellows who are so totally invested in their politics is that they will not accept any info that does not support what they believe. Some of that data from the CNN article does support Mr. Trump’s positions; some does not.
The point of posting the article is not to convince anyone here of anything; it is only to supply printed info to help you to operate toward the truth (and to avoid the distracting and irrelevant personal attacks that are occurring on the preceding pages.)

Here is another link examining the US economy:
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/10/14/how-the-american-economy-did-under-donald-trump

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« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2022, 09:45:56 AM »

Former orange guy and his supporters our nothing but whiny, snowflake traitors.
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« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2022, 09:51:29 AM »
Don’t need a CNN article to tell the difference between Pre Covid Trump economy and Biden’s.
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Re: What will America do?
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2022, 10:01:12 AM »
“The thing” …..I am not dissembling. I really do not know what “the thing” is. A little help.
About CNN….I do understand that CNN has fallen from grace. As far as I can tell, though, CNN assembled those bits of data. Is the data itself suspect?


CNN assembled the data, and you ask if its suspect. LOL  Yeah, CNN couldn't be biased in any way.

As far as "you now the thing", and not understanding what that is.   Its obvious that media outlets like CNN are your only source of information, because media outlets like CNN would never replay "you know the thing" 
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Re: What will America do?
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2022, 10:03:48 AM »
“Don’t need a CNN article to tell the difference between Pre Covid Trump economy and Biden’s.“

That may be so. It is beside the point. The claim was about the strength of the economy during the Trump administration. Strong in some ways. Not so in others.
PreCovid success undeniable.

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As far as "you now the thing", and not understanding what that is.   Its obvious that media outlets like CNN are your only source of information, because media outlets like CNN would never replay "you know the thing"
Actually, despite my linking the CNN article here, other than that, i have never watched or listened to a CNN report.
What media would you suggest? From what sources do you get your unbiased info?

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Re: What will America do?
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2022, 12:25:12 PM »
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I dont think theres a doubt in anyones mind that the only reason he is here is to stir up crap.
Well you boys are easy to stir up.  ;D
BTW, the very jealous Dee has not a clue.
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Jealous?  :o

I don't have any past recollections of wanting to be a spoiled brat, and hang around with snooty people that inherited their money like you did.
You just keep foolin yourself and be the odd man out here. 8)


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Re: What will America do?
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2022, 05:53:46 PM »
The world is united on Ukraine, divided on America

“In terms of a Cold War… you have the vast majority of the rest of the world in total opposition to what [Putin] is doing… It’s going to be a cold day for Russia,” observed US President Joe Biden at a February 24 press conference shortly after Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine. But in the following few days, international reactions fell short of a universal denunciation of Moscow.

The two major Asian nations, China and India did not sharply condemn the Russian attack, nor did large African nations like Nigeria, South Africa, and Egypt.

Brazil also wavered until it succumbed to US pressure to vote in favour of the UN Security Council condemning the Russian invasion on February 25. And while 11 out of 15 UN Security Council members did vote in favour of the resolution, many states stopped short of unequivocal condemnation and most just called for the cessation of violence and return to negotiations.

All of which begs the question, why? Why have the economically and strategically unified and dominant Western nations failed to secure unequivocal universal denunciation of what is evidently a blatant violation of international law?

The short answer: it may have less to do with Ukraine and more to do with America. There is fear and suspicion among nations of being dragged into another Cold War showdown between the US and Russia. Kyiv may be the victim and Moscow the aggressor, but in the eyes of many, Washington is not totally innocent in all of this.

As the self-appointed “world policeman”, the US stands accused or at least is seen to interfere in the internal affairs of other states under different pretexts, including in and around Russia and China.

It is also been accused of double standards when it comes to aggression, occupation and international law violations – one for allies and another for the rest, just as was the case during the Cold War.

That war might have been cold in the north, but it was burning hot in the Global South, where Moscow and Washington engaged in proxy conflicts to advance their interests, regardless of the cost.

A second Cold War would be as bad and even worse if today’s interconnected and interdependent world becomes deeply polarised between the West and NATO on one side, and Russia and China on the other – not only for individual states, but for humanity at large.

Since the end of the Cold War in the late 1980s, most states have diversified their economic and military relations with world powers and prefer not to choose between Russia and the US or between the EU and China.

Many countries are also looking out for their own interests amid the geopolitical polarisation, and some are dependent on Russia for wheat, energy, and military hardware or on China for investments, loans and trade.

And yet for decades, the US has repeatedly demanded nations get behind it in crisis times or pay the price. “You are either with us or against us,” warned US President George W Bush on the eve of his “global war on terror” following the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington.

And soon after the US designated Iran, Iraq and North Korea the world’s “axis of evil” and prepared to invade Iraq, it demanded that nations take its side or incur its wrath.

The following decade, Washington raised pressure on China and demanded of all its trading partners to get behind it or face the consequences.

The Trump administration even went as far as warning members of the United Nations that it was “taking names” of those who voted in favour of a resolution condemning its decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

As the US is waning, China rising, and Russia coming back with a vengeance, the US’s coercive tone has become rather weird, tired and desperate, prompting countries to keep their options open.

No longer are states trusting Washington to help, protect, or defend them, not after its humiliation in Afghanistan and its defeat in Iraq; not after its blunders in Syria, Yemen, Libya and other world hotspots; and certainly, not after inciting Ukraine only to leave it at the mercy of Russian military might.

The world has also lost its innocence over the past decades and no longer buys into Washington’s lofty slogans of freedom and democracy, when both are under attack in America itself.

When the invasion of Ukraine started, Biden was quick to assure the American society that they would not have to fight, suffer or even pay more for gas. Or, as one observer commented sardonically, “America is about to fight Russia until the last Ukrainian soldier.”

It is too early to tell whether such international scepticism will lead to an initiative similar to the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) which was joined by over 100 nations during the Cold War. But what is clear, is that today’s global challenges require less polarisation and more cooperation.

A second Cold War is sure to hinder the urgent international efforts to combat climate change, hamper critical coordination on dealing with pandemics, and impede critical global cooperation to ensure food security and eradicate poverty and disease.

A second Cold War will lead to another arms race, and bring the world closer to a nuclear showdown. Indeed, the nuclear annihilation of humanity is “only one impulsive tantrum away”, in the words of a recent Nobel Peace Prize Winner.

In short, a second Cold War will cause terrible human suffering, economic decline, and a global conflict with incalculable consequences.

Yet, as Washington is adamant to punish Russia for its bellicosity and aggression, it is hoping or perhaps planning for Ukraine to become Russia’s Afghanistan-like nightmare. Some reckon it is Biden’s “Truman moment”, to pursue a “strategy of containment” towards Russia, as his predecessor did 75 years ago.

But the way forward in Europe cannot be the way back. And the scenarios before us should not be limited to war: a protracted Cold War or a devastating nuclear war. In fact, as I write these words, Putin has put Russia’s nuclear deterrence forces on high alert after a joint NATO statement was deemed threatening.

The international community is overwhelmingly in favour of Ukraine recovering its sovereignty, albeit as a buffer state between Russia and NATO countries, and must do all to reach an immediate ceasefire, support the diplomatic process, and ultimately push for a dialogue between the West and Russia over the future security of Europe.

Yes, the Russian invasion requires a tough response, but it should be one that opens the door for peace. The West has no right sacrificing Ukraine at the altar of a new Cold War.


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Re: What will America do?
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2022, 09:23:16 PM »
its a battle of colors VA. Pink just hates orange

Former orange guy and his supporters our nothing but whiny, snowflake traitors.
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Re: What will America do?
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2022, 01:27:36 AM »
“Don’t need a CNN article to tell the difference between Pre Covid Trump economy and Biden’s.“

That may be so. It is beside the point. The claim was about the strength of the economy during the Trump administration. Strong in some ways. Not so in others.
PreCovid success undeniable.

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As far as "you now the thing", and not understanding what that is.   Its obvious that media outlets like CNN are your only source of information, because media outlets like CNN would never replay "you know the thing"
Actually, despite my linking the CNN article here, other than that, i have never watched or listened to a CNN report.
What media would you suggest? From what sources do you get your unbiased info?

It's as simple as:: what did you pay for gasoline when Trump was president? What did you pay for groceries when Trump was president? What did our southern border look like when Trump was president?
Why were we energy independent when Trump was president?

What are you paying for gas with Biden as president? What are you paying for groceries with Biden as president? What does our southern border look like with Biden as president? Why have we  bought 600,000,000 barrels of oil from Russia since Biden became president? Why is Biden constantly begging Saudi Arabia to produce, and provide the United States with more oil?

No one with ANY COMMON SENSE needs CNN, Fox, or any news articles from anyone to see the stark differences.
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Re: What will America do?
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2022, 02:50:37 AM »
“Don’t need a CNN article to tell the difference between Pre Covid Trump economy and Biden’s.“

That may be so. It is beside the point. The claim was about the strength of the economy during the Trump administration. Strong in some ways. Not so in others.
PreCovid success undeniable.

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As far as "you now the thing", and not understanding what that is.   Its obvious that media outlets like CNN are your only source of information, because media outlets like CNN would never replay "you know the thing"
Actually, despite my linking the CNN article here, other than that, i have never watched or listened to a CNN report.
What media would you suggest? From what sources do you get your unbiased info?

I get my information from a number of different sources, and not one of them come from the television.  Anywhere but any of the mainstream media outlets, and that includes Fox. The only person I listen to on Fox is Tucker Carlson.  If you can't see the economy was better under Trump than it is now. You just don't want to see it. Could be the reason you posted the the article from the communist news network.
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« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2022, 03:04:31 AM »
it so obvious not even common sense is needed. Anyone with an IQ of over 50 knows the truth today.
“Don’t need a CNN article to tell the difference between Pre Covid Trump economy and Biden’s.“

That may be so. It is beside the point. The claim was about the strength of the economy during the Trump administration. Strong in some ways. Not so in others.
PreCovid success undeniable.

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As far as "you now the thing", and not understanding what that is.   Its obvious that media outlets like CNN are your only source of information, because media outlets like CNN would never replay "you know the thing"
Actually, despite my linking the CNN article here, other than that, i have never watched or listened to a CNN report.
What media would you suggest? From what sources do you get your unbiased info?

It's as simple as:: what did you pay for gasoline when Trump was president? What did you pay for groceries when Trump was president? What did our southern border look like when Trump was president?
Why were we energy independent when Trump was president?

What are you paying for gas with Biden as president? What are you paying for groceries with Biden as president? What does our southern border look like with Biden as president? Why have we  bought 600,000,000 barrels of oil from Russia since Biden became president? Why is Biden constantly begging Saudi Arabia to produce, and provide the United States with more oil?

No one with ANY COMMON SENSE needs CNN, Fox, or any news articles from anyone to see the stark differences.
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« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2022, 03:12:56 AM »
The problem with our nation today is that a lot of it's inhabitants lack of COMMON SENSE. A lot of the blame can be laid at the feet of the higher education system. Just last Sunday there was an article on the editorial page of our local paper extoling the virtues of $90 a barrel oil as being great for our county as that is our main industry. What the author didn't mention was the $3.40 gasoline, the almost doubled price of groceries, and the slowdown in the oilfield because of Biden's drilling permit restrictions that have caused the much higher prices. The author's credentials are, he is a democrat and a retired history professor at the local junior college that evidently never heard of the Carter years.

By the way West Texas Intermediate jumped to $101 this morning and evidently we are still buying oil from Russia while slo jo's roadblocks remain on our domestic producers. Even higher prices are on the way thanks to this senile SOB. Actually I think he and Hunter are just getting richer thanks to Russian payoffs and he has no regard what so ever for our country.

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« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2022, 08:28:05 AM »
“ Why were we energy independent when Trump was president? ”

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Most people view energy independence through the lens of our oil and gas production and consumption. These two sources represent 68% of U.S. energy consumption. When they see our net exports are positive, it is viewed as “energy independence.” When they turn negative, we are once again partially dependent. (In reality, we are always partially dependent, because even when our exports exceed our imports, we are still importing oil from other countries).  It is true that in 2019 our net imports of crude oil and finished products flipped from positive to negative. By that metric, we became energy independent (at last as far as our oil consumption goes). It is also true that Donald Trump was president when this happened for the first time in October 2019.  The Long March Toward Independence  But note that this was the culmination of a trend that started in 2006 when U.S. net imports topped 13 million BPD. Most of that march to energy independence happened under President Obama. All President Trump (and President Obama before him) had to do was avoid driving the bus into the ditch, and they would continue to benefit from the hydraulic fracking boom that enabled all of this.  US Net Imports US Net Imports of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products ENERGY INFORMATION ADMINISTRATION Note near the end of the chart above that we started oscillating back and forth between a net importer and a net exporter. The Covid-19 pandemic disrupted the trend. The energy independence that we gained in 2019, was lost in the second half of 2020 as energy production plunged, but energy demand recovered. In May 2020, we had flipped back to a net oil importer, and we have oscillated since.  To be clear, I am not giving credit (or blame) here to President Obama or President Trump. Their policies weren’t responsible for the underlying plunge in our crude oil imports, which is the primary factor in our march to energy independence.  However, one thing President Obama did that helped oil production continue to expand under President Trump was in the energy bill he signed in late 2015. One stipulation in that bill allowed domestic producers to export their oil. To that point, finished products like diesel and gasoline could be exported, but not crude oil. That depressed U.S. oil prices, which benefitted refiners but not oil producers.  This comprehensive energy bill that President Obama signed helped open up new markets for domestic oil producers, who had suffered from depressed prices due to their inability to export their oil. That stipulation — which was a trade-off for getting some renewable energy provisions — helped extend the fracking boom. Prior to 2015, U.S. oil exports were insignificant. By 2019, we were exporting 3 million BPD of crude oil.  Are We Energy Independent?  The Energy Information Administration (EIA) tabulated U.S. energy consumption in 2019 and 2020, and determined that for both full years, counting all energy sources, we were energy independent. Even though U.S. energy production declined by 5% in 2020, energy consumption also declined by 3% as the pandemic impacted the economy. So, our energy independence was shrinking as the pandemic unfolded.  As I noted above, the EIA wrote:  “Annual crude oil production generally decreased between 1970 and 2008. In 2009, the trend reversed and production began to rise, and in 2019, U.S. crude oil production reached a record high of 12.25 million barrels per day. More cost-effective drilling and production technologies helped to drive the production increases, especially in Texas and North Dakota. U.S. crude oil production declined to about 11.31 million barrels per day in 2020. A large drop in U.S. petroleum demand in March and April 2020 as a result of the response to the Covid-19 pandemic led to a decrease in U.S. oil production.”  So, in 2009 we began the march to energy independence. Those wishing to credit President Trump for this need to take another look at that net imports graphic to grasp the full picture.  But we don’t actually know if, once the full year of 2021 has been accounted for, we lost our energy independence for the year. If it turns out that we did, the single largest factor in that will be that oil and natural gas production have yet to return back to pre-Covid-19 levels. But demand has recovered, and therein lies the reason.

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Re: What will America do?
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2022, 09:49:24 AM »
Why were we energy independent under President Trump? “
Because. We were energy independent under President Donald Trump.
Are we energy independent under Joebama?
Are we doing better under Joebama?
Is anything this govt doing good for the U.SA.?
Sooo? Your point? President Trump only deserves partial credit for our energy independence...
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« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2022, 11:00:26 AM »
Keystone pipeline. 830,000 barrels per day. Imported Russian crude. 600,000 barrels per day.
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« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2022, 12:28:08 PM »
Keystone pipeline. 830,000 barrels per day. Imported Russian crude. 600,000 barrels per day.

Democratic logic.
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« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2022, 12:52:47 PM »

Is anything this govt doing good for the U.SA.?


I've been waiting for one of the resident Trump haters to answer that. 
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« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2022, 01:33:10 PM »
Pelosi says voters too dumb to understand Biden’s many accomplishments.
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« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2022, 01:53:44 PM »
Pelosi says voters too dumb to understand Biden’s many accomplishments.
I must agree with her. Anyone still behind the biden crew. Are to dumb to understand that he has accomplished great advances for all of America’s enemies...
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« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2022, 11:05:41 PM »
man i must be lacking in something!! Because I havent seen ONE good thing hes done that helps this country and protects our freedoms since the minute he entered the Whitehouse and ill move that date all the way back till the day he walked in behind obama!! I have to give credit where credit is due though. He has managed to get his name in the history books. He will go down in history as the worse president that ever served and the president that by pushing far left socialist agendas changed the way the country looks at the word FREEDOM and in the long run that will be a great gift.
Pelosi says voters too dumb to understand Biden’s many accomplishments.
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