March 6, 1836

[scattershot]

Remember the Alamo!

[Ranger99]

Never have forgot
Never will

[Dee]

No real Texan forgets that. OR, April 21, 1836 "San Jacinto Day" when Texans got some payback.

[ironglow]

....And don't forget the dirty stuff done to Texians at Goliad !

   vvvvvv ...The battle cry heard at Goliad..

[Bob Riebe]

Well for what it is worth -- Houston , Minnesota is name after Sam Houston for blood line connections.

[ironglow]

I have visited Sam Houston's home at Huntsville, Texas.  It has a very pleasant "dog run", which was promoting a beautiful breeze on the hot day on which I visited.

[oldandslow]

I have visited there although a very long time ago but it still looks as it did then. My visit was in March and it was very pleasant weather compared to on the south plains where the wind was blowing and it was a lot cooler. It was interesting to me as Sam was a distant cousin, not that it matters for anything.

[Dee]

I have visited there although a very long time ago but it still looks as it did then. My visit was in March and it was very pleasant weather compared to on the south plains where the wind was blowing and it was a lot cooler. It was interesting to me as Sam was a distant cousin, not that it matters for anything.

Reckon he was grouchy?

[oldandslow]

Most likely he was considering the idiots he had to put with according to the history books.

[Dee]

Most likely he was considering the idiots he had to put with according to the history books.

Think that gene could have been passed down?

[oldandslow]

You might be on to something there. 

[Ranger99]

There were many that hated Sam Houston
He wanted the best for the country and
despised the corruption in government.
He exposed a lot of crooked wheeler
dealers and they tried with everything they
had to depose him and ruin his reputation.
Many also loudly criticized his outspokenness

Hmmmmm. . .
Sounds familiar.  . .

[Dee]

Sam Houston refused to join the Confederacy so was booted out of his governorship, and replaced. While he helped win Texas independence, but he was all in on surrendering our states rights to Abraham Lincoln, and the northern industry lobbyists.
He ended up being a "big government" guy, so while still honored today,  he did what he did, and was given the boot.

[oldandslow]

Yes, and Texas suffered greatly during reconstruction, probably worse than any other state. Carpet baggers, state police under a reconstruction administration, and they still wound up still being under the federal government in the end. Smart thing would have been to just stay in the union and contribute nothing or very little to the war effort but no, we gonna huff and puff and get a bunch of our people killed in a war that we can't win because we are resource poor compared to the other side. All the Confederacy had going for them was some smart generals and courage but very little to back that up with.

[Dee]

Yes, and Texas suffered greatly during reconstruction, probably worse than any other state. Carpet baggers, state police under a reconstruction administration, and they still wound up still being under the federal government in the end. Smart thing would have been to just stay in the union and contribute nothing or very little to the war effort but no, we gonna huff and puff and get a bunch of our people killed in a war that we can't win because we are resource poor compared to the other side. All the Confederacy had going for them was some smart generals and courage but very little to back that up with.

Riding the fence as you suggest didn't help Missouri.

[oldandslow]

Poor Missouri was right the middle and caught between the two sides. How many Civil War battles or raids were carried out in Texas during the Civil War?  If Texas had "rode the fence" there would not have been reconstruction where all the damage was carried out against it's citizens. I understand why the Civil war came about but Texas really didn't have much of a dog in the fight and and had more problems than it could deal with right at home, much less going off to fight a hopeless war.  New Mexico stayed in the Union (as a territory) and was left alone except for a group of Texas idiots that got their heads handed to them after they got the bright idea to march up and capture Santa Fe for the Confederacy. It's a long way from El Paso to Santa Fe on foot, especially living off the land. There wasn't anything for them to accomplish by taking it as NM really didn't amount to a hill of beans anyway and still doesn't except for oil. If they had traveled the other way to the real battle it wouldn't have mattered either.

[Dee]

 The civil war was about "states rights ". EVERYBODYs states rights.

People didn't used to ride the fence. They fought for what they believed in. Voters riding the fence and taking the easy way out is how this country got in the shape its in now.

And right now the other 44 states are riding the fence again letting Texas, and Arizona fend for themselves. Riding the fence doesn't make the problem go away. It just gives it more time to grow.

Before Biden finally cut off Russian oil to the United States,  Texas oil refineries had already started refusing Russian oil.

[oldandslow]

Yep, Biden was just trying to take credit for something that others had already done.