Posting under SciFi, because "climate change" is SciFi..

[ironglow]

  The "climate change" lie has been going so long, that some may have taken it as some kind of 'fact' ..

  I decided to look on Youtube for counter arguments, so I asked Youtube for "climate change BS", half expecting that 'tube would censor any contrary views  !

  Imagine my surprise when I found several videos with titles promising to expose "climate change myths".
  One said it is 'all about the money'..seeing how the dems have now put the US in debt to the tune of trillions over their "ho green" program., that was not hard to contemplate..

   But hold your horses..the old liars are at their old tricks!  In each case except one, what seemed by the title, to be an honest critic...turns out to be a GW booster.

  They are good at their "disinformation'..a commie term..  Here is what I found..

     https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=climate+change++bs

   That is why I was quite surprised that 'tube allowed this voice of moderation..

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIJCGQzCiU

 

[Mule 11]

Truth,lies and conspiracy theories.

[oldandslow]

It a proven fact that the climate changes and has been doing so as far back as science can determine. The lie is that today's population suddenly became the cause of it and we are going to perish unless we quit causing CO2. According to Al Gore the shoreline cities around the world are already supposed to be lost to rising seas and the weather so hot the world is mostly an arid wasteland now. It hasn't happened but a tremendous number of people still believe this nonsense and are screaming to the high heavens that we have to change to stop it even though it isn't happening. The chicken little syndrome is alive and well.

[billy_56081]

At 54 I remember back in grade school all the bs they pushed. We are supposed to have been out of oil and water long ago.

[ironglow]

  Exposing the lie....  The enviro-whackos used to call it "global warming"...then suddenly it was no longer called global warming.  Now it is "climate change"..
  Still whenever they talk about climate change...it is always how the globe is warming..they never mention the cooling part..
   I guess that force them back to what sensible people have always claimed; that we have cycles of heat and cold!  ...Been that way since God created it !

[phalanx]

They tried to explain it in the movie, Day after Tomorrow, we were freezing instead. Completely SciFi.

[ironglow]

  Let's look at some of the "greenies" goofy claims..claims that have fooled many
    CLAIM A
  Their claim.."The Marshall Islands are being over run by the sea, due to global warming.  Most threatened is Kiribati Island".

  Fact..the islands are suffering from water encroachment, and they only lie at best, a few feet above the sea level...but I doubt it is due to climate change.

    Factoid #1..What they don't tell the world..Kiribati Island has been mined for phosphate since 1896!
      How many millions of tons can one take from a small reef, without endangering it's level?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/09/the-island-with-no-water-how-foreign-mining-destroyed-banaba

   Another thing the "Greenies' seem to overlook..  The Marshall islands have been treated to a total of 67 nuclear explosions since WW2.  Couldn't be those 67 nuclear explosions among what amounts to unstable coral reefs, has anything to do with their sinking conditions, could it ?

    https://www.atomicheritage.org/location/marshall-islands#:~:text=Between%201946%20and%201958%2C%20the,spread%20throughout%20the%20Marshall%20Islands.

   

   

[ironglow]

  Another example;

      CLAIM B
   
  Archaeologists find 3,500 year old food box (tucker box) in Swiss Alps...Greenies claim it was preserved because the box was squirreled away in a rock nook that long ago, and "global warming" melted the glacier, exposing the box.. 

   https://www.livescience.com/59961-bronze-age-lunch-box-in-swiss-alps.html#:~:text=Culture-,3%2C500%2DYear%2DOld%20'Lunch%20Box'%20with%20Traces%20of,Grain%20Found%20in%20Swiss%20Alps&text=About%203%2C500%20years%20ago%2C%20an,the%20top%20of%20a%20mountain.

   A few years ago the "iceman" was found in the Italian Alps..complete with clothes , bow w/arrows and axe.  Remarkable condition..

  Of course the Al Gore types claim these were only found, because "global warming" melted the ice they were trapped in..

   Question;  If the world has not seen normal climate cycle change ..freezing ..melting etc..  How did these earlier hunters get under all that ice in the first place?

..Or did they plant thir lunch box and get slain...only to have the ice close over them ?

[ironglow]

  During WW2..in July 1942 to be exact, 8 P38 fighter planes low on fuel, landed in central Greenland.
  The crews were rescued, but not the planes..
  Hearing of this, some aviation enthusiasts set out to get those planes which landed in great mechanical condition.
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_Girl#:~:text=Glacier%20Girl%20is%20a%20Lockheed,sheet%20for%20over%2050%20years.
     Surprisingly, the excavators had to dig through 268 feet of ice, just to get to those planes !

   Since the 50 years between 1942 and 1992, was right in our great "carbon producing" years, How did 268 feet of ice form over those planes ?

   That stuff should have been melting, instead of growing ! (Look for more postings)

[phalanx]

  Another example;

      CLAIM B
   
  Archaeologists find 3,500 year old food box (tucker box) in Swiss Alps...Greenies claim it was preserved because the box was squirreled away in a rock nook that long ago, and "global warming" melted the glacier, exposing the box.. 

   https://www.livescience.com/59961-bronze-age-lunch-box-in-swiss-alps.html#:~:text=Culture-,3%2C500%2DYear%2DOld%20'Lunch%20Box'%20with%20Traces%20of,Grain%20Found%20in%20Swiss%20Alps&text=About%203%2C500%20years%20ago%2C%20an,the%20top%20of%20a%20mountain.

   A few years ago the "iceman" was found in the Italian Alps..complete with clothes , bow w/arrows and axe.  Remarkable condition..

  Of course the Al Gore types claim these were only found, because "global warming" melted the ice they were trapped in..

   Question;  If the world has not seen normal climate cycle change ..freezing ..melting etc..  How did these earlier hunters get under all that ice in the first place?

..Or did they plant thir lunch box and get slain...only to have the ice close over them ?

Have you ever read , The far Arena ,by Richard Ben Sapir? If not you should, the iceman stole the concept.

[ironglow]

  The book FAR ARENA sounds like an interesting novel, but the Iceman could not have taken anything
   from it, since the iceman is a real man, discovered in the Italian Alps and now being preserved and investigated today.
  Now back to a "Climate change" witness..

      the global warming religionists claim the ocean waters have risen, due to arctic ice melts...  OK; let's call on a witness..Plymouth Rock.. Whether or not some young lady stepped from the Mayflower onto the rock, is still debated..
  However, it is not debated that the rock is just where it was in 1620, and probably for eons of pre-history before that!  Part of the rock was once moved to a local museum, but when it was closed, that portion was returned to join what was leftin place on the seashore.

  Today, regardless of greenie claims, the rock is high & dry at low tide and bathes it's feet at high tide....same as always.
  First photo, see monument over the rock at low tide, second photo.. tide coming in.

  Third photo, rock at high tide..

   

[oldandslow]

Greenies don't believe in facts backed up by evidence like your rock. What they "think" is all that matters in their world. Thanks for posting that picture. I have always wondered just what Plymouth Rock looked like.

[ironglow]

     Melting ice caps flooding low lying islands.  Liberty erected 1896...see photo below from that era.

  Now see a more current photo... Have we heard of the lady getting her sandals wet?

[ironglow]

  Mount St Michael, Normandy, France..
    In the middle ages...and ages before that, a small island off the coast of Normandy,  was accessable at low tide, and  inaccessible at high tide.
  So, in the early middle ages it was used as a defensive position  with a moat for use at low tide..covered at high tide.  Even though they now have a bridge..the moat still works the same way..  Notice the moat, leading off to the left..
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount

  I guess we are to asssume the ocean 'piles up' at some few islands, such as Kiribati island.

 

[ironglow]

Best witnesses yet,,,Kerry, Gore, Biden and Obama, along with a host of "climate change" celebrities...all buying ocean front mansions...

[oldandslow]

But, but, but it is getting hotter. All the greenies and especially so called important people are telling us so and that makes it true. Doesn't it?      Funny thing is, they can't produce any evidence that is. I guess they are measuring the hot air they are spewing on this subject.

All I can say is last summer was the coolest I have ever experienced in my 84 years. Last winter was colder than the one before, and this one has been colder than the last. It supposed to drop to 14 degrees tonight which is definately on the cold side for this area. The people in the know like Hollywood entertainers, algore, etc.  about climate change would just call it local conditions with no real impact on the world.

[darkgael]

     Melting ice caps flooding low lying islands.  Liberty erected 1896...see photo below from that era.

  Now see a more current photo... Have we heard of the lady getting her sandals wet?

Comment on the photos……only the photos, not the climate change discussion.
I can walk three blocks west from my home in Brooklyn, NY and see Lady Liberty easily. She looks different than those pictures……why? Different camera angles. The pics used for comparison in the quote above were shot from different angles and before and after the sea wall was modified. Lotsa landfill since 1886 (the statue was erected in 1886). The island grew from 9 acres to 14 acres. It is difficult to make any useful comparison.

[Mule 11]

Went there once, they had the torch off limits at the time. Had a bit of a bugs bunny moment with the cop about my pocket knife. Weapon? Tool. Weapon. Tool. Weapon. tool. Weapon. It’s just a pocket knife. Put it back in your pocket and go.

[Lloyd Smale]

never been to nyc and will die that way!! Same with southern CA. You couldnt pay me to go there let alone me pay to get there. Statue of liberty?? It was given to us by the FRENCH!! what more needs to be said.

[ironglow]

     Melting ice caps flooding low lying islands.  Liberty erected 1896...see photo below from that era.

  Now see a more current photo... Have we heard of the lady getting her sandals wet?

Comment on the photos……only the photos, not the climate change discussion.
I can walk three blocks west from my home in Brooklyn, NY and see Lady Liberty easily. She looks different than those pictures……why? Different camera angles. The pics used for comparison in the quote above were shot from different angles and before and after the sea wall was modified. Lotsa landfill since 1886 (the statue was erected in 1886). The island grew from 9 acres to 14 acres. It is difficult to make any useful comparison.

  OK, so some construction has taken place at Bedloe's island, but that still doesn't explain Plymouth Rock.
    Of course, there are many examples which undermine the "greenist" theories. Try Eddystone Light, off the coast of old Plymouth in England..still perched on the small crag the original was built on in 1698.  That crag is so small they cannot build either up or down.

  Then let us consider the small beach at thermoplaye..when in 480BC, King Leonidas 300 Spartans held off t e Persian hordes.  One has to assume the beach was small..since just 300 troops perhaps 3 deep, did the job.  So shouldn't that beach be flooded by now?  But on the contrary...it is much wider than ever..   https://www.quora.com/So-I-want-to-visit-the-Battle-of-Thermopylae-Place-on-Greece-what-is-the-real-location-of-it-I-took-a-look-on-Google-maps-and-earth-and-all-I-see-from-the-Geo-location-and-Coordinates-is-just-a-road-and-the-Leonidas

   Statement from a recent traveller to Thermopylae;
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Highway throughmiddle of battlefield
Review of Battlefield of Thermopylae
Reviewed October 28, 2013
For years I have wanted tovisit this most famous battlefield. Although I knew that the water had receded a great distance, I was still very surprised at how plain the area looks today. almost 3 thousand years ago the ground level was approx 45 meters lower, and the edge of the water was right there. Today, the land is flat, and as one travels on the highway there is suddenly a sign that you are at the battlefield. If you look to the right a statue of Leonidas catches your attention. This is within meters of the road. You will learn that this is where the king was slain. Across the road and back a few meters is a small rise where the remainder of the 300 were buried.
There is a small museum that has several interesting video presentations. Staff there is friendly and eager to present their history.

Date of experience: September 2013
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