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Ukraine on Fire
« on: March 13, 2022, 11:30:00 PM »
Those who don't know history make it up.
Those who don't like history make it up, too.

Film maker Oliver Stone was drawn to the Ukraine story long before Ukraine was front page and telaversion repeating news cycle. It was pretty well known that Ukraine was to become the Powers That Be next hotspot. Obama Regime and double agent Victoria Nuland were going to make friction between factions, and continue to run Ukraine as the world center of corruption. Perfect for provoking Russia and promoting the WEF Great Reset.
This is Oliver Stone's film "Reveaing Ukraine", which was taken down by youtube. But it is back up.
Before you claim expertise on neo-Nazies, Russian-Ukraine history, the Maidan color revolution, and US entanglements in Ukraine it's worth watching.


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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2022, 03:19:54 AM »
   Sorry, I don't have much time to spare for Oliver Stone..
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2022, 03:56:21 AM »
Oliver Stone is not known for being real truthful in his films.

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2022, 04:20:05 AM »
thats a HUGE understatement!!!
Oliver Stone is not known for being real truthful in his films.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2022, 05:13:40 AM »
I am not gong to do your work for you. Google will give you plenty of information about how he "manipulates" the truth to tell the story he wants if you are interested. In my personal dictionary "manipulate" is just a fancy word for "lies".

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2022, 06:40:39 AM »
I'm not ready to say TM is wrong on this one yet.
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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2022, 08:11:05 AM »
Sometimes the truth is hard , if not impossible to find. It will not be found on the tube Be it CNN or Fox.
Freedom Of Speech.....Once we lose it, every other freedom will follow.

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2022, 08:22:54 AM »
There ain't a spotlessly clean government on the planet. And the United States is in the top 10 on dirt.
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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2022, 08:54:02 AM »
Very interesting film. I recommend it to anyone on the forum with an interest in what's taking place in Ukraine.
Nothing is ever as simple as it appears. Ignorance can make it seem that way though. To be informed, we need to look at all sides, not just what we are allowed to see by our media. Thanks for posting this TM7
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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2022, 08:55:25 AM »
There ain't a spotlessly clean government on the planet. And the United States is in the top 10 on dirt.
"AMEN"
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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2022, 10:45:34 AM »
 "because you support Biden's and Harris' ongoing war, which turns out to be a war further on Americans."

I hate to bust your bubble, TM, but I support nothing that Biden and Harris do. Two bigger low-lifes could not be found on planet earth IMO.

No, I didn't watch the film and don't intend to. I just posted about the reputation Stone carries around about how he deals with truth in his movies and where you could find information. I am not wasting time on someone with his reputation when dealing with facts.

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2022, 11:32:17 AM »
 " Actually, I thought both films were loaded with verifiable facts.."
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   Could be there are some verifiable facts in the films...but if there are a number of lies scattered through them also..none of them are of any use...

  "a little leaven, leavens the whole lump."  (Galatians 5:9)

  No, I have no use for Oliver..since it seems he often makes films, just to take the opportunity to  puke upon the USA.
   Has he come down as hard on any other country, say Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea or Putin's efforts to reconstitute the haven if the gulags?

  It is his kind of negativism, that has bred a new movement of "woke" people, who also have nothing but contempt for our country...

   Now we hear some folks join his
  Of course it is always to condemn..especially when one is himself, so sin free..
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2022, 11:52:08 AM »
   Sorry, I don't have much time to spare for Oliver Stone..
So. Even though ya have not viewed this you have passed (biblical) judgement on it? Bless your heart.

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2022, 12:01:57 PM »
Here is the thing I.G.
I generally like you.
Butt. There is always a butt.
Ya know? Big smelly unwashed spandex butt.
I think your view point is seriously distorted...

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2022, 12:03:15 PM »
   Sorry, I don't have much time to spare for Oliver Stone..
So. Even though ya have not viewed this you have passed (biblical) judgement on it? Bless your heart.

  The truth stands...I have seen Oliver Stone movies before, and the multitude of lies are not hard to discern..  How many LIES must someone tell, before his is considered to be a LIAR..

  And double bless your heart in return..
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2022, 12:05:26 PM »
   Sorry, I don't have much time to spare for Oliver Stone..
So. Even though ya have not viewed this you have passed (biblical) judgement on it? Bless your heart.

  The truth stands...I have seen Oliver Stone movies before, and the multitude of lies are not hard to discern..  How many LIES must someone tell, before his is considered to be a LIAR..

  And double bless your heart in return..
Well. Thanks...

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2022, 12:11:38 PM »
I’ll willingly admit that I don’t know much about Oliver Stone. What I do know is that a lot of news turns out false. Especially main stream  news.

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2022, 12:23:14 PM »
Now we have people living in the USA, who claim that our country is among the 10 most rotten in the world.
  Obviously, there are some very bad actors in government, but I have serious doubts that we rate so high on the rotten list.

   Here's a partial list of some bad countries, not necessarily in order, but perhaps they will be so kind as to slip in the USA,,wherever it fits among the top ten..
 
  1) Angola
  2) Afghanistan
 3) North Korea
 4)Central African Republic
 5) Burundi
 6) People's Republic of China
 7) Chad
 8) Iran
 9) Mozambique
10) Venezuela
11) Madagascar
12) Angola
13) Madagascar

   If the USA is so bad..why should Oliver Stone and those who agree with him, hang around here?

  I bet they would have no trouble sneaking into the Sudan...and Zimbabwe is presently losing population to South Africa...they may want new citizens.

  Yes, the USA has some warts...but I can't think of any other land where I would rather live.

   Here's a reminder from Sir Walter Scott...

   " Where breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
Who never to himself hath said,
   This is my own, my native land!
Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd,
As home his footsteps he hath turn'd
   From wandering on a foreign strand!
If such there breathe, go, mark him well;
For him no Minstrel raptures swell;
High though his titles, proud his name,
Boundless his wealth as wish can claim;—
Despite those titles, power, and pelf,
The wretch, concentrated all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust, from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonour'd, and unsung.

 
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2022, 12:28:21 PM »
Now we have people living in the USA, who claim that our country is among the 10 most rotten in the world.
  Obviously, there are some very bad actors in government, but I have serious doubts that we rate so high on the rotten list.

   Here's a partial list of some bad countries, not necessarily in order, but perhaps they will be so kind as to slip in the USA,,wherever it fits among the top ten..
 
  1) Angola
  2) Afghanistan
 3) North Korea
 4)Central African Republic
 5) Burundi
 6) People's Republic of China
 7) Chad
 8) Iran
 9) Mozambique
10) Venezuela
11) Madagascar
12) Angola
13) Madagascar

   If the USA is so bad..why should Oliver Stone and those who agree with him, hang around here?

  I bet they would have no trouble sneaking into the Sudan...and Zimbabwe is presently losing population to South Africa...they may want new citizens.

  Yes, the USA has some warts...but I can't think of any other land where I would rather live.

   Here's a reminder from Sir Walter Scott...

   " Where breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
Who never to himself hath said,
   This is my own, my native land!
Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd,
As home his footsteps he hath turn'd
   From wandering on a foreign strand!
If such there breathe, go, mark him well;
For him no Minstrel raptures swell;
High though his titles, proud his name,
Boundless his wealth as wish can claim;—
Despite those titles, power, and pelf,
The wretch, concentrated all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust, from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonour'd, and unsung.


DEFY NOT HE WHO SEES ALL, KNOWS ALL, AND INSTRUCTS ALL!
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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2022, 12:30:07 PM »
I’ll willingly admit that I don’t know much about Oliver Stone. What I do know is that a lot of news turns out false. Especially main stream  news.

   you are totally correct there Mule..  Our own fake news is very bad, but not unique in the world.
, ....But of course, that does in no way excuses "fake news".

  the same thing goes on in many countries..led by those of communist persuasion.

  When the USSR was still in existence, they had 2 major newspapers  ( Pravda and Izvestia), which were the joke of the world.
  They would print stories about things outside the USSR which were totally untrue..and the rest of the world laughed.  Then, when the Iron Curtain started to fray at the edges..the internet arrived..and even the Russians laughed at the lies.

  Curiously, Pravda (truth) is still published in paper form, though it doesn't have many subscribers.
   https://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/31/world/russia-s-purveyor-of-truth-pravda-dies-after-84-years.html#:~:text=Pravda%2C%20the%20ponderous%20organ%20of,Russian)%2C%20has%20ceased%20publication.

  Izvestia ( news, or herald) can be found online.
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2022, 12:41:24 PM »
Here is the thing I.G.
I generally like you.
Butt. There is always a butt.
Ya know? Big smelly unwashed spandex butt.
I think your view point is seriously distorted...

  How so?  I'm from Missouri today....."SHOW ME"!
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2022, 12:43:26 PM »
Here is the thing I.G.
I generally like you.
Butt. There is always a butt.
Ya know? Big smelly unwashed spandex butt.
I think your view point is seriously distorted...
Ahem...

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2022, 12:44:31 PM »
Here is the thing I.G.
I generally like you.
Butt. There is always a butt.
Ya know? Big smelly unwashed spandex butt.
I think your view point is seriously distorted...

  How so?  I'm from Missouri today....."SHOW ME"!
Why bother? Ya don’t have time for it. Your words, genius...

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2022, 12:48:17 PM »
Here is the thing I.G.
I generally like you.
Butt. There is always a butt.
Ya know? Big smelly unwashed spandex butt.
I think your view point is seriously distorted...

  How so?  I'm from Missouri today....."SHOW ME"!
Why bother? Ya don’t have time for it. Your words, genius...

  Why not?  You have time to make injudicious remarks...    ..Bet you just can't do it !
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2022, 12:55:18 PM »
Here is the thing I.G.
I generally like you.
Butt. There is always a butt.
Ya know? Big smelly unwashed spandex butt.
I think your view point is seriously distorted...

  How so?  I'm from Missouri today....."SHOW ME"!
Why bother? Ya don’t have time for it. Your words, genius...

...Bet you just can't do it !

This is what I've been telling you all along. Know one on this thread agrees with you concerning this topic, yet you persist in believing everyone else is wrong, and you're right.
None so blind, as those who will not see.

My 84 year old "know-it-all" uncle and you, must be somehow related. Must be lonely at the top.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2022, 01:33:22 PM »
Here is the thing I.G.
I generally like you.
Butt. There is always a butt.
Ya know? Big smelly unwashed spandex butt.
I think your view point is seriously distorted...

  How so?  I'm from Missouri today....."SHOW ME"!
Why bother? Ya don’t have time for it. Your words, genius...

  Why not?  You have time to make injudicious remarks...    ..Bet you just can't do it !
You are the one asking for proof. You show your unsubstantiated proof first...

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2022, 11:08:56 PM »
you bitch about us believing the bs on the news and internet and just quote different internet experts and somehow think your more intellegent then the rest of us and the 90 percent of the world that agrees with us and only you knows whos lying and whos not. Kind of comical. Or is the word arrogant. Legend  in your own mind. 
You'd just being saying Oliver Stone is wrong.
I'm just the messenger, nothing to do with the content.

So, I posted it because the film's have more information on Ukraine to form a more complete picture of the situation.
Therefore, I'm not willing to defend the film's content or Stone against blanket negative statements from people who never watched the film's. No percentage in that.
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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2022, 04:29:09 AM »
Well, Lloyd, I don't talk down to folks and I usually support what I say. I don't write long run on unpunctuated sentences in rants expressing hate on some thing or some body. Please spare us and your keyboard one of those tirades.

This thread is simply about 2 film's by a controversial film maker covering our corrupted government and deep state involvement with a corrupted country, which led to a dangerous war. Either you watched the films and accept or reject the content. But to try to censure the films and Stone without watching them is disingenuous; not only that it just plain stinks of hypocrisy.

I'll tell you what. When Lloyd makes 2 in depth film's on Ukraine, or on anything, I promise to post them here on the board.
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   thank you TM.. Although we sometimes differ, you have always posted as a class fellow.  ..Always ready to back up your statements with links and/or cited references.
  I apologize for giving your video short shrift, I guess because any Stone's movies usually were quite controversial and not aligned with conservative views..but I will  have a look at your offered video.
   
  Some folks seem to think that I am simply being argumentative for the sake of argument.  ..Not at all right..but perhaps I am too much a stickler for facts..
  I admire the person who is willing to debate intellectually, but have zero respect for those who resort to name calling or simply trying to impugn another man's character.  To me, that indicates he is short of ammunition in his magazine.

  The way to take me on and knock me out, would be to cite credible sources that clearly contradict what I am saying..  Just as DarkGael did in our 'climate change' discussion, where he corrected my view of Bedloe's island. He didn't knock me out, but he did make a point of correction..
  TM and I have maintained civility for many years even when we disagree, and to me that shows that he is clearly a thinking man.

  If we could keep discussions on that level, I believe we all could benefit..  Let's do that, OK !
   
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2022, 06:13:11 AM »
IG....I have always enjoyed our reparté over the years with the temperature rising and falling. It's all about critical thinking and finding truth. Afterall, truth telling is how we honor God.
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  And you are correct....only truth seekers discover new things...

  I think of the old adage.."Some people watch things happen, other make things happen..still other stand around and ask.."what happened?"  ;D
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Ukraine on Fire
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2022, 06:30:35 AM »
I study much and that is where my opinions come from. I do not have the ability to post links so to ask me to do so after we have all ready discussed it means you’ve forgotten or?