Hiding in plain sight?

[ironglow]

  The Demonrats come up with a new plan called..."medicare for all".

  that puts everyone over 55 onto Medicare.  For retiree now using Medicare, let's take a look.

  Right now, we are paying for our Medicare.  granted it gives us breaks, but we still pay for it every month, through social security deductions, plus our individual health care plans.

  If I read this right..Medicare for all, will shift..Medicaid and ilegal aliens over 55 onto Medicare, so
  we keep paying, while more millions jump onto our plan.

  The obvious outcome...we still pay, perhaps much more.  Pay more and get far less services.
  It is a move by Demonrats to put everyone on Medicare and eventually have their socialized medicine.
  You can rest assured, it won't affect retired congress parasites, or their health care...

[DDZ]

There isn't near enough of the population working to come close to paying for this, like many other things the government is throwing money at. So that leaves printing money to pay for it.  they know this, so I believe the plan is to make the US dollar completely worthless.

[magooch]

You give the Dummycrats far too much credit for the ability to plan and think.  It's all about getting the stupid people to vote for them and to bring full blown communism to this country.  Well I guess that is planning, but it is also evil and destructive.  Then to make it even more impossible, the stupid Dummycratics allow our poopulation to become  bloated with an invasion of criminals and foreigners who are mostly going to drag us further down the socialism path to complete economic failure.

[DDZ]

Well the Biden regime does have a plan, and its to destroy America as we know it, and bring it down to the level of third world countries. Its all about the great reset. Don't know if you saw the video of Lara Logan being interviewed. One of the things she said was we have no idea how many world leaders have been placed instead of voted in. Which is absolutely true, because I know one for sure that was placed and that was Biden. Granted many democrats are very ignorant, but the ones calling the shots are being controlled by others. Its pretty evident Biden is not making decisions, nor do I believe he has the capacity to make decisions. So who then is governing?  Pretty much the whole democrat party is all in on the trashing of America, along with some of the GOP.     

[darkgael]

and eventually have their socialized medicine.

I just finished reading, on another website, about socialized medicine. Actually, it was about which countries had the better health care systems. Many (most? All?) European countries have socialized medical systems and quite happy with their care and with the fact that a serious illness will not bankrupt them.

On another topic:

Granted many democrats are very ignorant, but the ones calling the shots are being controlled by others. Its pretty evident….

Who are these others to whom you refer?

[tom548]

They do in Canada and it cost the people a lot in taxes so you do pay  just over time. I also had a friend that invited us up to hunt every year. 6 years ago he had a heart problem and needed a triple by-pass he was put on a list and was informed it would be 2.5 years at least. He was not good and was also told that he may not live the 2.5 years.  He had some money saved and 10 of us helped with donations and he came to the USA and took advantage of our medical system. He sold his house, used his savings but is alive.
Free does have some draw backs. He is still alive and living in a small 1 bed room cabin we built for him and his wife on a 2 ac. plot one of his neighbors donated. There is not much I won't do to keep a good hunting trip going!

[ironglow]

  Right, the Canadian waiting list is well known .. some(who can afford it) come here to get needed surgery.  I live about 60 miles from the border, but of course the hospitals they use are in Buffalo or Niagara Falls.  Folks who work in those places sometimes explain.

[darkgael]

Sad story about the friend from Canada.
From The World Health Review:

A common misconception in the U.S. is that countries with universal health care have much longer wait times. However, data from nations with universal coverage, coupled with historical data from coverage expansion in the United States, show that patients in other nations often have similar or shorter wait times.

The U.S. was on the higher side for the share of people who sometimes, rarely, or never get an answer from their regular doctor on the same day at 28%. Canada had the highest at 33% and Switzerland had the lowest at 12%. The U.S. was towards the lower end for the share of people waiting one month or more for a specialist appointment at 27%. Canada and Norway tied for the highest at 61% each and Switzerland had the lowest at 23%.

[DDZ]

and eventually have their socialized medicine.

I just finished reading, on another website, about socialized medicine. Actually, it was about which countries had the better health care systems. Many (most? All?) European countries have socialized medical systems and quite happy with their care and with the fact that a serious illness will not bankrupt them.

On another topic:

Granted many democrats are very ignorant, but the ones calling the shots are being controlled by others. Its pretty evident….

Who are these others to whom you refer?

Don't know who the others are. I know it isn't Biden making decisions. He is just agreeing with what he is told to do. Since the Bidens ties with the CCP, they may have a hand in things. I'm sure the CCP had a hand in getting dementia Joe placed in the white House. What do you think? Do you actually believe Biden is making decisions for America? Don't really know who all may be involves, but whoever it is they are out to see the destruction of America. 

[Dee]

I think liberal ideology is fully in charge of the Biden regime, because at no time in Bidens 50 year political career has he been capable of leadership.

When one kills our countries energy source, and openly admits it, then blames a foreign war, AND the energy companies themselves, for the energy crisis, your clearly seeing "ideology" not reality.

Further proof, that Biden is an idiot.

So, while always polite, and respectful darkgael, given your questions, and odd inquiries, I will say that I'm thankful that you never had the opportunity to teach my children, and grandchildren.

If you haven't figured it out by now, I doubt you would be of any value in instructing students in the ways of the world. 

[ironglow]

Sad story about the friend from Canada.
From The World Health Review:

A common misconception in the U.S. is that countries with universal health care have much longer wait times. However, data from nations with universal coverage, coupled with historical data from coverage expansion in the United States, show that patients in other nations often have similar or shorter wait times.

The U.S. was on the higher side for the share of people who sometimes, rarely, or never get an answer from their regular doctor on the same day at 28%. Canada had the highest at 33% and Switzerland had the lowest at 12%. The U.S. was towards the lower end for the share of people waiting one month or more for a specialist appointment at 27%. Canada and Norway tied for the highest at 61% each and Switzerland had the lowest at 23%.

     I have friends who spend winters in the south, who have numerous snow bird Canadian friends and
  they  tell me the same thing.
 All I know is what I see and hear..

  Sorry, you cite a "study"..I just don't trust "studies" anymore.  In recent years it seems well established that whoever finances the "study"..gets the answer they want.  That has proven true in the recent "global warming" mythological games, fostered by that religion...a religion that has access to government funds.

  Here is just one example;
   https://thenewamerican.com/ipcc-researchers-admit-global-warming-fraud/

  East Anglia U., is/was the United Nations primary "climate study" source.  ..And they are not alone in fudging the truth.
  In this case, it looks like Penn State and the U. of Colorado were in cahoots with them.
 
   Only thing to ask, is if they were receiving government funds for their "studies" ?
   
  How often must a movement be caught lying..before they are written off as liars ?

[Dixie-Dude]

Switzerland and Germany use private medical insurance.  It is manditory for all to have it.  Their governments only cover the bottom 10% poor.  England and France have government health care as well as other countries in Europe.  Some allow private insurance above what the government covers, so people can get elective surgeries. 

Universal health care is and has been a socialist dream.  The communists started it first.  The idea spread to other countries, but anything the government does is not efficient, has long lines, and waiting periods, with very few specialists.  Anything the socialists come up with is a pipe dream.  Before government started getting involved with Obamacare, health care was reasonable in price.  Also the Free Trade agreements with other countries sucked our manufacturing base away, and they always provided health care for their workers.  Government created the problem to try to take over health care in America.  We had no problem until they started monkeying with the economy. 

[DDZ]

I think liberal ideology is fully in charge of the Biden regime, because at no time in Bidens 50 year political career hasn't he been capable of leadership.

When one kills our countries energy source, and openly admits it, then blames a foreign war, AND the energy companies themselves, for the energy crisis, your clearly seeing "ideology" not reality.

Further proof, that Biden is an idiot.

So, while always polite, and respectful darkgael, given your questions, and odd inquiries, I will say that I'm thankful that you never had the opportunity to teach my children, and grandchildren.

If you haven't figured it out by now, I doubt you would be of any value in instructing students in the ways of the world. 

I agree completely!.

[tom548]

I  would be willing to bet that the " World Health Review" is in favor of free med. for all.  I have spent time in Canada for many years and have talked to most of them about  the free Med program. Many say they like and are happy with it but I noticed as we all got older and would use it  much more often and for more serious problems they did not feel it was as good and almost all complained about the long wait time.
And they would add that it was not free, you just don't pay for it at the time of service you pay ( with taxes) for it your whole life.

[DDZ]

Yep the utopia socialist dream is for everyone to pay for healthcare and have a tyrannical government doles it out.  Dont matter if you strive to take care of yourself, exercise and are healthy. You are going to pay for the (censored word) that is 100 pounds overweight, drinks, smokes, doesn't exercise, and goes to the doctor once a week.  What a fantastic system.  The people in this country that bust their butt, and try to better themselves are the ones that are punished, by paying more taxes, and paying for others healthcare.  This country is turning into a third world sh*thole because people think its best if government is involved. Now they want government to run healthcare.

[Mule 11]

Yep the utopia socialist dream is for everyone to pay for healthcare and have a tyrannical government doles it out.  Dont matter if you strive to take care of yourself, exercise and are healthy. You are going to pay for the (censored word) that is 100 pounds overweight, drinks, smokes, doesn't exercise, and goes to the doctor once a week.  What a fantastic system.  The people in this country that bust their butt, and try to better themselves are the ones that are punished, by paying more taxes, and paying for others healthcare.  This country is turning into a third world sh*thole because people think its best if government is involved. Now they want government to run healthcare.

Why not? Government does such a great job with everything else. What? Do you want freedom or some crap?

[ironglow]

  In this case, unless I am  reading it wrong..they want all retired seniors who have paidfor it and are continuing to pay..while all over 55s get the benefits....including those who don't pay now and likely
   the homeless and aliens.
  So, since the money has to go further..we get much less for our money.

[Mule 11]

  In this case, unless I am  reading it wrong..they want all retired seniors who have paidfor it and are continuing to pay..while all over 55s get the benefits....including those who don't pay now and likely
   the homeless and aliens.
  So, since the money has to go further..we get much less for our money.

Can I get on this gravy train? Probably not...

[darkgael]

DeeDDZ (since you are so much alike):

If you haven't figured it out by now, I doubt you would be of any value in instructing students in the ways of the world.

Alas, I never tried “instructing students in the ways of the world”. That was their parent’s job, not mine. I did try to teach them to think clearly and to avoid the many failures of thought that are so rampant here. I did teach them to ask questions when an idea needed clarification. I did try to teach them about the use of language and how it can be made to sway the thinking of those who don’t question but accept what they are told. (There are at least as many sheep on this forum as anywhere else.)  I did teach them to recognize propaganda when it raised its seductive head. I did try to teach them to see both sides of a situation. One of my oft cited premises was that there are facts on both sides of an argument and that they needed to know both sides. “You should be able to argue either side of an issue effectively. If you cannot, you only have half the facts.”
Sorry that you do not approve when I ask questions here (which is mostly what I do).

[Dee]

Dee/DDZ (since you are so much alike):

If you haven't figured it out by now, I doubt you would be of any value in instructing students in the ways of the world.

Alas, I never tried “instructing students in the ways of the world”. That was their parent’s job, not mine. I did try to teach them to think clearly and to avoid the many failures of thought that are so rampant here. I did teach them to ask questions when an idea needed clarification. I did try to teach them about the use of language and how it can be made to sway the thinking of those who don’t question but accept what they are told. I did teach them to recognize propaganda when it raised its seductive head. I did try to teach them to see both sides of a situation. One of my most oft cited premises was that there are facts on both sides of an argument and that they needed to know both sides. “You should be able to argue either side of an issue effectively. If you cannot, you only have half the facts.”
Sorry that you do not approve when I ask questions here (which is mostly what I do).

Now your puttin words in my mouth. I didn't say I didn't approve of your asking questions here. Its still a semi-free country.
What I said was, you should by now, have learned to identify right from wrong.

[darkgael]

Dee: “I didn’t say that I didn’t approve of your asking questions here…”

given your questions, and odd inquiries, I will say that I'm thankful that you never had the opportunity …..

[Dee]

Dee: “I didn’t say that I didn’t approve of your asking questions here…”

given your questions, and odd inquiries, I will say that I'm thankful that you never had the opportunity …..

I'm not offended, are you?

[ironglow]

DeeDDZ (since you are so much alike):

If you haven't figured it out by now, I doubt you would be of any value in instructing students in the ways of the world.

Alas, I never tried “instructing students in the ways of the world”. That was their parent’s job, not mine. I did try to teach them to think clearly and to avoid the many failures of thought that are so rampant here. I did teach them to ask questions when an idea needed clarification. I did try to teach them about the use of language and how it can be made to sway the thinking of those who don’t question but accept what they are told. (There are at least as many sheep on this forum as anywhere else.)  I did teach them to recognize propaganda when it raised its seductive head. I did try to teach them to see both sides of a situation. One of my oft cited premises was that there are facts on both sides of an argument and that they needed to know both sides. “You should be able to argue either side of an issue effectively. If you cannot, you only have half the facts.”
Sorry that you do not approve when I ask questions here (which is mostly what I do).

   Continue to carry on DG, I welcome your input. Any placid brook only fosters noise when an obstruction is encountered, which is why even the smallest rill babbles..

  And there is plethora of babbling ensuing here almost every day..    

[oldandslow]

"There is no free lunch" is about the truest saying ever. Free health care from the government is a socialist day dream as is all their "free" stuff. Government has no funds except what they take away from the citizens. I have never understood why so many can't see that.

Several years ago NM got a very nice entrance sign east of Hobbs where the highway is and the local paper carried a story by the editor of the paper with the title "A Beautiful Sign and it didn't cost us a penny". He immediately was covered up with letters explaining just how it was paid for. I will give him credit for writing another article thanking everyone for opening his eyes to how things actually work. Imagine, an editor of a newspaper with that little knowledge of government writing editorials. 

[Dee]

Agreed oldandslow, but fraud for free money and benefits isn't just in welfare, and Medicare. The Veterans Administration also has rampant fraud, and attempted fraud trying to obtain benefits, and disability checks  from fraudulent claims.

I know of one guy claiming he lost his hearing while riding around in army tanks 60 years ago in peace time. Trouble was,  he spent 60+ years pounding on steel with a hammer after the tank job.
Veterans Administration didn't buy story, and hopefully that fairy tale doesn't ever produce a taxpayer check.

Welfare, Medicare, and the VA need to hire more investigators to look into some of this BS, and prosecute the people trying to bilk the system.

[ironglow]

  .
  FRom Dee..Dee;
   "I know of one guy claiming he lost his hearing while riding around in army tanks 60 years ago in peace time. Trouble was,  he spent 60+ years pounding on steel with a hammer after the tank job.
Veterans Administration didn't buy story, and hopefully that fairy tale doesn't ever produce a taxpayer check."

  There you go again Dee, trying to pick a fight..just when things are starting to settle down..   What?
  is it the wrong time of month again?
 
    Let's look at a few facts;

1)  Riding in a tank doesn't bother the ears near as much as the noise of firing, brass being ejected on a steel floor ( WITHOUT ear protection provided) ..And of course the residual pressure on the ears as the breech opens.  ..But I can understand your ignorance, being as you apparently have never spent time near artillery, say nothing about service in a tank turret.

2) You keep close watch for words to apply against others..  then you already know, I was not looking for a check, just recognition of what happened..

3) Not 60 years smithing,,just 30 years..and WITH ear protection.

4) How many years did you spend, cashing "taxpayer checks"?

5) Not all my service time in "peace time". But you already know that..and how I tried to get to Vietnam..but you tend to ignore positives and remember any negatives..and use them to attack honest poster.

6) Beyond what I said here on GBO, you know nothing about my military years..   A reminder..I carried a security clearance.

     I can understand your envy of veterans..that happens so often to folks who slipped out on their own duties..  You must have been about the right age to serve in Vietnam..

  Did you do your duty then?

  How about being decent, polite and putthe shoe on the other foot...  e.g...I have heard you say you were a deputy sheriff..

  Would it not be rude and wrong to assume you were..." just another Barney Fife "?