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Re: Ukrainian soldiers torture Russian POWs
« Reply #60 on: April 02, 2022, 05:17:35 AM »
Some question why the shooters are dressed in Russian kit? Or why neither shooters or prisoners have unit or identification markings?

Maybe the prisoners were caught in like acts?

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Re: Ukrainian soldiers torture Russian POWs
« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2022, 12:33:50 AM »
News media is reporting that as the Russian army retreats, it's leaving its war dead, randomly shooting civilians, and mining towns, homes, and even dead bodies.

And folks are concerned about this scum is being treated humanely when captured.   ::)
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« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2022, 03:44:47 AM »
yup they not only killed thousands of women and children they did it with intention, even going so far as going out of there way to target them just to demoralize the ukraines. THEY are the ones that threw the rule book out the door. I say turn them over to the parents of those kids they killed. Let them judge them and decide how to punish them and what they consider is cruel and unusual punishment. Its absolutely sure none of our business how they deal with it. They didnt kill our kids.
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« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2022, 09:03:22 AM »
News media is reporting that as the Russian army retreats, it's leaving its war dead, randomly shooting civilians, and mining towns, homes, and even dead bodies.

And folks are concerned about this scum is being treated humanely when captured.   ::)
  Exactly!  And they are also raping the women too...

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« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2022, 09:40:27 AM »
Zelensky is no better than Putin and sadly this war will keep him around longer.

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« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2022, 11:01:08 AM »
Zelensky is just not in Putin’s evil range. Does he poison his opponents with chemical weapons? Sadly a number of you have been brainwashed . But as long as you wave your Anti-MSM banner, phew…but just because something is one some random bloke’s website, doesn’t make it true. No matter how much you want to believe.

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« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2022, 11:50:21 AM »
I don’t “ want to believe” anything. Very tired of propaganda. If anyone wants me to believe them? It is very simple. Don’t lie to me and expect me to believe anything coming out of your crumpet hole.

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« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2022, 01:05:42 PM »
Zelensky is just not in Putin’s evil range. Does he poison his opponents with chemical weapons? Sadly a number of you have been brainwashed . But as long as you wave your Anti-MSM banner, phew…but just because something is one some random bloke’s website, doesn’t make it true. No matter how much you want to believe.
What chemical weapons, ourside of hear-say?

The supposed Chemical attack in Syria was never been proven to have come from any one .

Most Russians and Ukraines have nothing against each other; there is a group on both sides that absolutely despise the others existence, and that is who is controling either.

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« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2022, 02:34:06 PM »
Zelensky is just not in Putin’s evil range. Does he poison his opponents with chemical weapons? Sadly a number of you have been brainwashed . But as long as you wave your Anti-MSM banner, phew…but just because something is one some random bloke’s website, doesn’t make it true. No matter how much you want to believe.
What chemical weapons, ourside of hear-say?

The supposed Chemical attack in Syria was never been proven to have come from any one .

Most Russians and Ukraines have nothing against each other; there is a group on both sides that absolutely despise the others existence, and that is who is controling either.
  And yet AGAIN, who attacked who???? 

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« Reply #69 on: April 03, 2022, 06:12:05 PM »
Why did 14,000 people die in the Donbas from the 2014?

Why Putin or whom ever is running the show decided to attack as they did is illogical but failure to do as this agreement stated and the deaths of over ten thousand people since is part of why Russia did as it did but, it still makes no sense that Putin though he could take Kiev.

The Agreement on settlement of political crisis in Ukraine are the documents, signed on 21 February 2014 by the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and the leaders of the parliamentary opposition under the mediation of the European Union and Russia. The signing of the Agreement was intended to stop the mass bloodshed in Kyiv and to end the sharp political crisis, which began in November 2013 in connection with the decision of Ukrainian authorities to suspend the process of signing the Association agreement with the European Union.

An agreement to resolve the political crisis was signed by the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and opposition leaders Vitali Klitschko (Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform), Arseniy Yatsenyuk (All-Ukrainian Union "Fatherland") and Oleh Tyahnybok (Svoboda). Witnessing the signing was made by the Foreign Ministers of Germany and Poland – Frank-Walter Steinmeier, Radosław Sikorski and the head of the Department for Continental Europe of the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs Eric Fournier. Special representative of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Lukin, who participated in the negotiations, refused to put his signature under the agreement.[1]

The agreement provided for a return to the 2004 Constitution, that is, to a parliamentary-presidential form of government, the holding of early presidential elections before the end of 2014 and form a "government of national trust". Also provided for the withdrawal of security forces from downtown Kyiv, the cessation of violence and surrender of weapons by the opposition.

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Re: Ukrainian soldiers torture Russian POWs
« Reply #70 on: April 04, 2022, 04:51:03 AM »
Thomas Jefferson....... The United States should pursue "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations -- entangling alliances with none,"

We cannot agree on how to solve our own problems here, and yet we want to do so for foreign nations. Our own politicians lie to us daily about everything under the sun, and yet, we are choosing sides in a conflict that we know nothing about. In reality, we know what we are told by a media that is proven to be ran by liars.

We do know our economy under this administration is getting worse day by day. ( Partially because of our reaction to this conflict in Europe) We do know that we elect people who appoint Federal Judges that don't know what a Woman is, or when life occurs. ( They really do know) We know our southern border is wide open to hordes of people coming into our Nation, that have NO plans to assimilate and become American citizens. We know this could be stopped overnight if all our elected leaders wanted to. We know, they don't want to.

Jefferson and other wise men had it right. Mind your own damn business, and let others do the same.
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« Reply #71 on: April 04, 2022, 08:09:29 AM »
Thomas Jefferson....... The United States should pursue "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations -- entangling alliances with none,"

We cannot agree on how to solve our own problems here, and yet we want to do so for foreign nations. Our own politicians lie to us daily about everything under the sun, and yet, we are choosing sides in a conflict that we know nothing about. In reality, we know what we are told by a media that is proven to be ran by liars.

We do know our economy under this administration is getting worse day by day. ( Partially because of our reaction to this conflict in Europe) We do know that we elect people who appoint Federal Judges that don't know what a Woman is, or when life occurs. ( They really do know) We know our southern border is wide open to hordes of people coming into our Nation, that have NO plans to assimilate and become American citizens. We know this could be stopped overnight if all our elected leaders wanted to. We know, they don't want to.

Jefferson and other wise men had it right. Mind your own damn business, and let others do the same.

That pretty much sums it up.
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Re: Ukrainian soldiers torture Russian POWs
« Reply #72 on: April 04, 2022, 05:09:35 PM »
nw_hunter, regardless of who anyone thinks is responsible for this war, RUSSIA committed the war crime of invading a sovereign country (Ukraine), and RUSSIA is doing the killing/genocide.

Denial of those two facts, is denial of reality. There is NEVER justification for killing innocent civilian men, women, children, and the elderly.

Putin, and his military ARE the criminals here, regardless of reasoning, or lack of it.
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« Reply #73 on: April 05, 2022, 03:18:03 AM »
nw_hunter, regardless of who anyone thinks is responsible for this war, RUSSIA committed the war crime of invading a sovereign country (Ukraine), and RUSSIA is doing the killing/genocide.

Denial of those two facts, is denial of reality. There is NEVER justification for killing innocent civilian men, women, children, and the elderly.

Putin, and his military ARE the criminals here, regardless of reasoning, or lack of it.
  That's the bottom line right there!!

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« Reply #74 on: April 05, 2022, 03:53:55 AM »
Killing innocent civilians and children is certainly heinous. And 2x evil if the massacre was a false flag to blame Russians for killing these people for what advantages; perhaps killing their own sympathizers.

There's alot of chatter around the internet that the Russians broke International Law by invading and waging war on its neighbor, much like the same accusations levied against Amercans invading and waging many wars over the last 50 years.

But international law addresses what is a 'just war' and what is not.  I'm pretty sure Attorney Putin never declared war and is sticking to his term 'de-nazification police action's. There are 7 salient points supporting a just war.


A Just War is the notion that the resort to armed force (jus ad bellum) is justified under certain conditions; also, the notion that the use of such force (jus in bello) should be limited in certain ways. Just war is a Western concept and should be distinguished from the Islamic concept of jihad (Arabic: “striving”), or holy war, which in Muslim legal theory is the only type of just war.


Rooted in Classical Roman and biblical Hebraic culture and containing both religious and secular elements, just war first coalesced as a coherent body of thought and practice during the Middle Ages as a by-product of canon law and theology, the ideas of jus naturale (Latin: “natural law”) and jus gentium (Latin: “law of nations”) from Roman law, established practices of statecraft, and the chivalric code. The canonists drew together existing Christian traditions on the justification of war and on noncombatant immunity, ideas later developed by various Christian theologians; and the chivalric code contributed further to the idea of noncombatant immunity and also added restraints on the means of war. Rationales for war based on Christian ethics can be found in the writings of theologians, such as St. Augustine (354–430) and St. Thomas Aquinas (1224/25–1274), whose Summa Theologiae (1265/66–1273) outlined the justifications for war and discussed the acts it is permissible to commit in wartime. Secular theorists include the Roman jurist and philosopher Marcus Tullius Cicero (106–43 BC), who argued that legitimate wars must be openly declared, have a just cause, and be conducted justly. The Dutch jurist Hugo Grotius (1583–1645) maintained in De Jure Belli ac Pacis (1625; On the Law of War and Peace) that war is justifiable only if a country faces imminent danger and the use of force is both necessary and proportionate to the threat.


***Most scholars agree that, to be considered just, a war must meet several jus ad bellum requirements. The four most important conditions are: (1) the war must be declared openly by a proper sovereign authority (e.g., the governing authority of the political community in question); (2) the war must have a just cause (e.g., defense of the common good or a response to grave injustice); (3) the warring state must have just intentions (i.e., it must wage the war for justice rather than for self-interest); and (4) the aim of the war must be the establishment of a just peace. Since the end of World War II it has become customary to add three other conditions: (1) there must be a reasonable chance of success; (2) force must be used as a last resort; and (3) the expected benefits of war must outweigh its anticipated costs

^^^^ from Encyclopedia Britannica
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So the war must be civilized. ::)

That little list of "criteria for war" and references 1,000 years old, and older is as ridiculous as defending Putin for ordering the killing of thousands of CIVILIAN MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND ELDERLY.

There is no spinning this genocide of innocents into being "just". It is open "criminal barbarism", plain and simple.

Obviously you believe Putin is "justified" in this wholesale slaughter of defenseless civilian innocents, you are as mentally unhealthy, and criminally perverted, as Putin.

Regardless of any outside influences, RIGHT IS STILL RIGHT, AND WRONG IS STILL WRONG.



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« Reply #75 on: April 05, 2022, 04:20:21 AM »
Regardless of any outside influences, RIGHT IS STILL RIGHT, AND WRONG IS STILL WRONG.
Unless it's torturing Russian soldiers right?

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« Reply #76 on: April 05, 2022, 04:47:18 AM »
where have you been. Its not just biden its trump and every politician in this country and just about everyone in the world except for a few pro commie countries like china iran and n korea. Your in real good company. Its not just msn either its on fox newsmax and about any news media in the the world other them again the communists and the conspiracy theorist nut cases. If dee is wrong then so is 95 percent of the world. Must be pretty wonderful to be more intelligent then 95 percent of the world. Your a legend in your own little mind. I think what we have here are two closet socialists!!!
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« Reply #77 on: April 05, 2022, 04:57:01 AM »
Regardless of any outside influences, RIGHT IS STILL RIGHT, AND WRONG IS STILL WRONG.
Unless it's torturing Russian soldiers right?

torture is to good for those rapist murdering sobs that call themselves soldiers. I say kill them all and let god sort them out. dont worry though we wont ask you to get your hands dirty. You can let the big boys do the dirty work like you no doubt always have. Id like to stick both of you in a cell with a Ukrainian that had his 12 year old daughter raped  by one of those animals. Or force you to sit there and watch while they do it. Id bet youd be whistling a different tune after that. Or maybe not >:(
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Re: Ukrainian soldiers torture Russian POWs
« Reply #78 on: April 05, 2022, 04:58:19 AM »
where have you been. Its not just biden its trump and every politician in this country and just about everyone in the world except for a few pro commie countries like china iran and n korea. Your in real good company. Its not just msn either its on fox newsmax and about any news media in the the world other them again the communists and the conspiracy theorist nut cases. If dee is wrong then so is 95 percent of the world. Must be pretty wonderful to be more intelligent then 95 percent of the world. Your a legend in your own little mind. I think what we have here are two closet socialists!!!
I hope you are not calling me a socialist.
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« Reply #79 on: April 05, 2022, 04:58:32 AM »
Regardless of any outside influences, RIGHT IS STILL RIGHT, AND WRONG IS STILL WRONG.
Unless it's torturing Russian soldiers right?

Well, reading comprehension is important, but not always prevalent, so as in your case your still asking the same stupid question, and still trying to make hay out in an already plowed field. Ask yourself, "What would Spartacus do?::)
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« Reply #80 on: April 05, 2022, 05:03:12 AM »
Regardless of any outside influences, RIGHT IS STILL RIGHT, AND WRONG IS STILL WRONG.
Unless it's torturing Russian soldiers right?

Still asking the same stupid question, and still trying to make hay out of a plowed field I see. Ask yourself, "What would Spartacus do?::)
Spartacus?  Don't see the connection, so here is another stupid question, what does he have to do with it?

The torture question was rhetorical BTW.
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Re: Ukrainian soldiers torture Russian POWs
« Reply #81 on: April 05, 2022, 05:17:30 AM »
Regardless of any outside influences, RIGHT IS STILL RIGHT, AND WRONG IS STILL WRONG.
Unless it's torturing Russian soldiers right?

Still asking the same stupid question, and still trying to make hay out of a plowed field I see. Ask yourself, "What would Spartacus do?::)
Spartacus?  Don't see the connection, so here is another stupid question, what does he have to do with it?

The torture question was rhetorical BTW.

Do your homework. Go back and find where I said what you're alleging. I said, i didn't blame the Ukrainians for whatever  they did after being attacked. This seems to be very important to you, but it isn't to me.
Now, having said that, be aware that I really don't care what you think, as I've never really cared for word strechers. You've latched onto something that you've taken out of context, and can't seem to get past it. But I can, and just did. ;)
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« Reply #82 on: April 05, 2022, 06:29:53 AM »
Drilling Man....

Oh that's right, you took the zombie jab, too.
No longer a pure blood.
And Drilling down on what?
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  No shots here, and speaking of pure blood, I'm not even of mix race...  lol  In fact all of my gran parents came from the same country, so I bet you I'm a step ahead of you on "pure blood", right there...  lol


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« Reply #83 on: April 05, 2022, 07:55:42 AM »
Drilling Man....

Oh that's right, you took the zombie jab, too.
No longer a pure blood.
And Drilling down on what?
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  No shots here, and speaking of pure blood, I'm not even of mix race...  lol  In fact all of my gran parents came from the same country, so I bet you I'm a step ahead of you on "pure blood", right there...  lol

  I suggested to you long time ago to get your meds adjusted, I see you aren't into taking good advice.

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« Reply #84 on: April 05, 2022, 10:03:52 AM »
BE NICE AND GROWN UP !
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« Reply #85 on: April 05, 2022, 10:54:46 PM »
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  I suggested to you long time ago to get your meds adjusted, I see you aren't into taking good advice.

right there!!! ;)
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« Reply #86 on: April 06, 2022, 11:45:14 AM »
I see that China is now siding with Ukraine. Gee whiz. I believe everything I see on boob tube. Xi is now a humanitarian :)

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« Reply #87 on: April 06, 2022, 10:17:43 PM »
where did you see that?
I see that China is now siding with Ukraine. Gee whiz. I believe everything I see on boob tube. Xi is now a humanitarian :)
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« Reply #88 on: April 07, 2022, 02:57:49 AM »
Surfing the web. If and when I find it again, I’ll post where I saw the article here.

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« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2022, 03:07:04 AM »
where did you see that?
I see that China is now siding with Ukraine. Gee whiz. I believe everything I see on boob tube. Xi is now a humanitarian :)
WND.com under world news. Check it out.