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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2022, 12:49:18 PM »
Russia is in Ukraine because America put it there, through the work of Victoria Nuland.

And know who her husband is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan

Relived of her duties by then President Trump, President Biden has reinstated her to Under Secretary of State for
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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2022, 01:01:46 PM »
If you favor Putin in the current struggle?
I don’t favor anyone, butt, you are a cheerleader for the corrupt Biden regime which is responsible for all your woes...

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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2022, 02:18:36 PM »
Seeing the reasoning behind a countries actions is not the same as supporting those actions.  Like Japan's bombing of Pearl, had they declared war in time, like they planned, the attack would have been seen in a whole different light, and with the fact that we cut off access to their resources it was only a matter of time before we were knee deep in war with them.  Not saying we should not have been against their and Germany's actions, but they were pushed and we, the west, created the conditions that started WWII, and our involvement helped bring those countries, including China, to where they are today.  In this, Russia too has been pushed and unless they and Ukraine come to a neutrality agreement, we may just be looking at the beginning of a wider war, possibly WWIII.
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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2022, 03:38:47 PM »
Seeing the reasoning behind a countries actions is not the same as supporting those actions.  Like Japan's bombing of Pearl, had they declared war in time, like they planned, the attack would have been seen in a whole different light, and with the fact that we cut off access to their resources it was only a matter of time before we were knee deep in war with them.  Not saying we should not have been against their and Germany's actions, but they were pushed and we, the west, created the conditions that started WWII, and our involvement helped bring those countries, including China, to where they are today.  In this, Russia too has been pushed and unless they and Ukraine come to a neutrality agreement, we may just be looking at the beginning of a wider war, possibly WWIII.

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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2022, 04:34:11 PM »
Ukraine would not be in its current position if the USA had not talked them into surrendering their nukes and giving assurances that the US and NATO had their backs if trouble came their way.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2022, 12:17:56 AM »
Russia is in Ukraine because America put it there, through the work of Victoria Nuland.

And know who her husband is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan

Relived of her duties by then President Trump, President Biden has reinstated her to Under Secretary of State for
Political Affairs, reporting to Antony Blinken.

  I guess I would view this Nuland woman as a puppet of Joe Biden, who is a puppet of the WEF Plutocrats.
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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2022, 12:37:36 AM »
If you favor Putin in the current struggle?
I don’t favor anyone, butt, you are a cheerleader for the corrupt Biden regime which is responsible for all your woes...

  CHALLENGE:  Show me one instance where I was ever a "cheer leader" for the Biden regime..
      ..Just SHOW ME !!!

  Because I favor freedom for the Ukraine, you apparently think that I must consider Biden acceptable.  If you have read anything I have written about these two bad actors, you would know differently.
    Putin and Biden for national leader, ..one is a terrorist the other an inept, bumbling misfit. Choosing
 between them for a leader, is like choosing between Vlad the Impaler and the Hunchback of Notre Dame..

  I admit I favor freedom and independence for Ukraine, just as I do for all the republics once held captive by the USSR..but won their freedom by the fall of the iron curtain.

  See a reminder below.. remnants of the Iron Curtain.
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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2022, 01:10:06 AM »
Seeing the reasoning behind a countries actions is not the same as supporting those actions.  Like Japan's bombing of Pearl, had they declared war in time, like they planned, the attack would have been seen in a whole different light, and with the fact that we cut off access to their resources it was only a matter of time before we were knee deep in war with them.  Not saying we should not have been against their and Germany's actions, but they were pushed and we, the west, created the conditions that started WWII, and our involvement helped bring those countries, including China, to where they are today.  In this, Russia too has been pushed and unless they and Ukraine come to a neutrality agreement, we may just be looking at the beginning of a wider war, possibly WWIII.

     Basically, what you said is completely true.  There was a mix of bumbling by the Roosevelt administration,  but let's dig into the situation as it existed on Dec 7, 1941.
   Japan had already invaded and occupied China, Indo China (Vietnam), Korea and various Pacific islands..and was licking it's chops in anticipation of the Philippines and Australia.


  They like the rest of the axis alliance, were very clearly and expansionist empire.  Expansionist empires don't stop of their own volition, they must be stopped.  Had Japan stopped their land grab which they referred to as the "Great East Asia Coprosperity Sphere" moves, there likely would have been no embargoes placed upon them
  The invasions of Viet Nam was for rubber, British Maylaya, Dutch Indonesia and other areas for Petroleum..all to feed their war machines.
  Some writers like to start their story at Pearl Harbor, but that is ignoring aggressive moves and invasions performed well before that date.
  I can understand the Empire of Japan's motives at the time (expansion of empire), but that doesn't mean I sympathize with them..   They were already bad actors, starting in the early 1930s

  The rape of Nanking (Nanjing)  in 1937.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
 
   
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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2022, 01:29:33 AM »
IG...I can't believe you still give this guy Spencer the time of day. It's clear the evil game he plays.
There's plenty of people that are against involvement in the Ukrainian crime and bioweapons cesspool. Spencer is trying to weld any opposition to the Ukrainian corruption festival with the socialist squad, and corral conservative opinion. Spencer is full of crap. All kinds of people have opposition to Biden's fixation with Ukraine.
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  Robert Spencer is an unknown quantity to me..but "the squad" is not.  So far as I can see, I don't want to be in favor of anything they and the Democratic Socialists want.

  The inclination of the squad seems to be quite open information..

  https://nypost.com/2022/03/25/inside-the-squads-putin-problem/

  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10561299/AOC-Bernies-Democratic-Socialists-group-blames-Russia-invasion-demands-end-NATO.html
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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2022, 02:17:32 AM »
are you saying they would have used nukes?? I tend to doubt it and tend to doubt if it would have changed putins mind.. We are the most powerful nucellar armed country in the world and how much fear is that buying us today. We are being laughed at. The uknraine wouldnt be in a war today if putin would have not put troops on there soil to kill there people and take away the control of there free right to choose there own government. Even if we dont agree with everything there government stands for it should be there choice and theres sure is no way to justify putin's murder of 1000s of there people to make basicaly a land grab to make himself richer and more powerful..
Ukraine would not be in its current position if the USA had not talked them into surrendering their nukes and giving assurances that the US and NATO had their backs if trouble came their way.
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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2022, 12:15:41 PM »
Cowered in what way? I’ve even posted ways to glean information yet did you even look? I also responded to your edited posts that received zeroe attention from me. I’m quite sure in your best form our personal meetings would be more respectful.

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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2022, 12:32:20 PM »
Cowered in what way? I’ve even posted ways to glean information yet did you even look? I also responded to your edited posts that received zeroe attention from me. I’m quite sure in your best form our personal meetings would be more respectful.
    You accused me of being a Biden "cheer leader', so I posted you a challenge...which I repost in color!  The challenge was issued in reply #8, and I seeen nothing of substance from you since;

  CHALLENGE:  Show me one instance where I was ever a "cheer leader" for the Biden regime..
      ..Just SHOW ME !!!


   I didn't see any such proof, and I doubt anyone else did.  So I guess the challenge still stands..
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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2022, 12:38:55 PM »
Cowered in what way? I’ve even posted ways to glean information yet did you even look? I also responded to your edited posts that received zeroe attention from me. I’m quite sure in your best form our personal meetings would be more respectful.
    You accused me of being a Biden "cheer leader', so I posted you a challenge...which I repost in color!  The challenghe was issued in reply #8, and I seeen nothing of substance from you since;

  CHALLENGE:  Show me one instance where I was ever a "cheer leader" for the Biden regime..
      ..Just SHOW ME !!!


   I didn't see any such proof, and I doubt anyone else did.  So I guess the challenge still stands..
Well then. Maybe you should take it up with the editor?

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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2022, 02:56:13 PM »
are you saying they would have used nukes?? I tend to doubt it and tend to doubt if it would have changed putins mind.. We are the most powerful nucellar armed country in the world and how much fear is that buying us today. We are being laughed at. The uknraine wouldnt be in a war today if putin would have not put troops on there soil to kill there people and take away the control of there free right to choose there own government. Even if we dont agree with everything there government stands for it should be there choice and theres sure is no way to justify putin's murder of 1000s of there people to make basicaly a land grab to make himself richer and more powerful..
Ukraine would not be in its current position if the USA had not talked them into surrendering their nukes and giving assurances that the US and NATO had their backs if trouble came their way.


The nukes were a deterrent and served Ukraine well in its independence until they were talked into surrendering them by a willing US government and Russia. Both with their own motives but in the end Ukraine wound up getting bent over the table. Yes, Ukraine has its own corruption in the past and no doubt present day but it was heading further in its ideology towards the West.

The scary part in all of this is a senile older man with dementia is running the show, edging us closer to a nuke conflict and the leader of Russia has mental instability in his decisions with sentimental delusions of rebuilding the USSR to its former perceived glory.



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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2022, 10:50:21 PM »
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The scary part in all of this is a senile older man with dementia is running the show, edging us closer to a nuke conflict and the leader of Russia has mental instability in his decisions with sentimental delusions of rebuilding the USSR to its former perceived glory.

thats sure an indisputable fact
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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2022, 03:43:31 AM »
Cowered in what way? I’ve even posted ways to glean information yet did you even look? I also responded to your edited posts that received zeroe attention from me. I’m quite sure in your best form our personal meetings would be more respectful.
    You accused me of being a Biden "cheer leader', so I posted you a challenge...which I repost in color!  The challenghe was issued in reply #8, and I seeen nothing of substance from you since;

  CHALLENGE:  Show me one instance where I was ever a "cheer leader" for the Biden regime..
      ..Just SHOW ME !!!


   I didn't see any such proof, and I doubt anyone else did.  So I guess the challenge still stands..
Well then. Maybe you should take it up with the editor?

  See guys..still another popintless remark, no substantive reply..the way Mule always replies.
I posted a reply and it was removed, now go back to your popintless pulpit...

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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2022, 08:04:59 AM »
Cowered in what way? I’ve even posted ways to glean information yet did you even look? I also responded to your edited posts that received zeroe attention from me. I’m quite sure in your best form our personal meetings would be more respectful.
    You accused me of being a Biden "cheer leader', so I posted you a challenge...which I repost in color!  The challenghe was issued in reply #8, and I seeen nothing of substance from you since;

  CHALLENGE:  Show me one instance where I was ever a "cheer leader" for the Biden regime..
      ..Just SHOW ME !!!


   I didn't see any such proof, and I doubt anyone else did.  So I guess the challenge still stands..
Well then. Maybe you should take it up with the editor?

  See guys..still another popintless remark, no substantive reply..the way Mule always replies.
I posted a reply and it was removed, now go back to your popintless pulpit...

  Sure kit was..i  :D ;D  I doubt either Bill or Matt would remove any sensible return post, so long as it was done in a reasonable manner.
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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2022, 12:06:59 PM »
Yes I have removed posts from both of you and I will continue to remove posts where all you do is call names and make personal attacks.


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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2022, 01:27:19 PM »
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Re: If you favor Putin in the current struggle..
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2022, 03:19:41 PM »
I wonder if it will ever be told why Putin's military  attacked where they did.
If they wanted the Donbas, they wasted a lot of Russian soldier's live hundred of miles away from the Donbas.

If he wanted to put the hurt on the Ukrainian Division that was Hitler's spawn, he failed miserably.

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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2022, 05:34:31 AM »
TM;

 Check out  my post  concerning " Finally, Tucker sets it right"..  We may be closer than you think..
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