Ukraine recaptures Kyiv region

[VA Rifleman]

What Ukrainians found after recapturing the areas of Bucha, Hostomel, and Irpin northwest of the capital.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/45043/ukraine-situation-report-kyiv-region-now-fully-in-government-control-according-to-defense-official

“ Ukrainians are finding untold destruction in the towns and along roads leading into Kyiv from the north. The sheer volume of destroyed vehicles has evoked memories of the “Highway of Death” as Iraqi forces retreated from Kuwait in 1991.”

“There are also tragic reports of dead civilians found in some of the most war-torn areas. AFP reported that more than 20 people in civilian clothes were found dead with their hands tied in Bucha, along with numerous posts showing bodies in the streets.”

Stories of looting and military age men being executed during the retreat.

Russians aren’t collecting their dead. That’s a sorry outfit.

[Dee]

Putin is a piece of trash that the Russian people should have burned decades ago. His army of thugs are getting their asses kicked for what they're doing, and deserve whatever the Ukrainians do to them.

[billy_56081]

Why are we just seeing a few still pictures here and edited videos there? I think we are all being gamed on this.

[DDZ]

I think we are all being gamed on this.

I have thought that from the beginning. We are only going to hear what they want us to hear.  After all the lies behind covid and the fake vaccines. I trust nothing coming from this administration and the media outlets that they own and run.

[Mule 11]

And when this all washes out all those who jumped on the band wagon (again) will, sulk away...

[VA Rifleman]

Yet another thread diversion by someone mentioning MSM.

The link is from the Drive which is hardly legacy or MSM media. Article links to 17 different sources. Most at the scene. If you have better, more accurate, more trustworthy reporting from the recaptured regions around Kyiv, please show and enlighten us.

As to Russian intentions. On March 16, Putin reiterated his goals. “The neutral status of Ukraine, its demilitarisation, and its denazification.”

Don’t see how the last two could be accomplished without a complete Ukrainian surrender or Russia imposing it’s will via occupation.

Course Russian goals could have changed since their defeat at Kyiv. Make no mistake, Putin wanted the capital. The airborne assault at the Hostomel airport with Russian troops waiting for armored reinforcements that never came was the turning point.

More atrocities. For some reason, I imagined Russian soldiers more professional. Our troops don’t act like this.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/45048/ukraine-situation-report-troops-find-a-trail-of-russian-massacres-as-they-reach-belarusian-border

[O-mega]

And when this all washes out all those who jumped on the band wagon (again) will, sulk away...

Will they though, seems to me that no matter what comes out they refuse to believe they were duped.

[Lloyd Smale]

some refuse to see the truth when its right before there eyes. Instead believe some conspiracy theory and are played. That is the way of the propaganda machine commies use that is as powerful as there army. Id think on here there would be enough anti communist pro democracy intelligent people that we wouldnt even see some of these posts. But putin has even set the hook here. Some so blind they think putin is some kind of hero trying to liberate the evil people of ukraine. How about you ask them if there being liberated by putin. Ask them if there 13 year old daughters are having consensual sex with Russian soldiers to spread putins agenda?? Ask them if he is so great why are half the country is fleeing across the border and leaving there blown up homes behind. I just pray to God that some of you dont have to walk around bodies dead in the street to go get your small ration of food and have to worry that your home might not be there when you return. Real head scratcher is some of you claim to be christian. But sit in your nice warm home with a table full of food and not only turn a blind eye to it but even make excuses for it.  After all it isnt your granddaughter getting raped or your wife getting shot in the street or your house a pile of rubble. Or your country being invaded by a greedy money hunger lunatic. If it was id about bet the mexican border traffic would be going the other way and youd be one of the first across. Probably looking for free aid from them like you claim you despise here. You try to tell me how you justify putin attacking a country that never fired a shot at him and killing thousands of women and children. How in any stretch of the imagination was that good for Unkraine?? I remember my grandpa telling me that there was even pro nazi sympathizers in his small town before ww2. They though hitler was a great man. He said even when they started conquering other countrys some claimed he was saving them. He said they didnt disapear until americans started comming home in body bags.

[Dee]

Prescott Bush was a huge fan, and supporter of Adolphus Hitler. Great politicians those Bush boys.

Anybody that believes that the Ukraine isn't being bombed into the stone age,and its citizens being killed, and fleeing the country are blind.


Meanwhile, the State of Texas is on its on, fighting drug Cartels, gang members such as MS13, and terrorists from all over the world.

But the focus across the country, and here on GBO is,  the Ukraine  and Russia. 

[Lloyd Smale]

yup the liberals are loving this deflection. coverage on the border isnt half what it was before this war. I see after that shooting in CA bidens talking gun bans again. No doubt wanting to sneek something in while our attention is elsewhere and he probably figures "what have i got to loose"  Youd think theyd be smart enough to see whats happening in the Ukraine and want us armed but the ukraines main enemy is russia and ours is our own government.

[billy_56081]

some refuse to see the truth when its right before there eyes. Instead believe some conspiracy theory and are played. That is the way of the propaganda machine commies use that is as powerful as there army. Id think on here there would be enough anti communist pro democracy intelligent people that we wouldnt even see some of these posts. But putin has even set the hook here. Some so blind they think putin is some kind of hero trying to liberate the evil people of ukraine. How about you ask them if there being liberated by putin. Ask them if there 13 year old daughters are having consensual sex with Russian soldiers to spread putins agenda?? Ask them if he is so great why are half the country is fleeing across the border and leaving there blown up homes behind. I just pray to God that some of you dont have to walk around bodies dead in the street to go get your small ration of food and have to worry that your home might not be there when you return. Real head scratcher is some of you claim to be christian. But sit in your nice warm home with a table full of food and not only turn a blind eye to it but even make excuses for it.  After all it isnt your granddaughter getting raped or your wife getting shot in the street or your house a pile of rubble. Or your country being invaded by a greedy money hunger lunatic. If it was id about bet the mexican border traffic would be going the other way and youd be one of the first across. Probably looking for free aid from them like you claim you despise here. You try to tell me how you justify putin attacking a country that never fired a shot at him and killing thousands of women and children. How in any stretch of the imagination was that good for Unkraine?? I remember my grandpa telling me that there was even pro nazi sympathizers in his small town before ww2. They though hitler was a great man. He said even when they started conquering other countrys some claimed he was saving them. He said they didnt disapear until americans started comming home in body bags.

So you know that what you are saying here is 100 percent fact?

With all the cell phones out there, we should be seeing this.

[Dee]

some refuse to see the truth when its right before there eyes. Instead believe some conspiracy theory and are played. That is the way of the propaganda machine commies use that is as powerful as there army. Id think on here there would be enough anti communist pro democracy intelligent people that we wouldnt even see some of these posts. But putin has even set the hook here. Some so blind they think putin is some kind of hero trying to liberate the evil people of ukraine. How about you ask them if there being liberated by putin. Ask them if there 13 year old daughters are having consensual sex with Russian soldiers to spread putins agenda?? Ask them if he is so great why are half the country is fleeing across the border and leaving there blown up homes behind. I just pray to God that some of you dont have to walk around bodies dead in the street to go get your small ration of food and have to worry that your home might not be there when you return. Real head scratcher is some of you claim to be christian. But sit in your nice warm home with a table full of food and not only turn a blind eye to it but even make excuses for it.  After all it isnt your granddaughter getting raped or your wife getting shot in the street or your house a pile of rubble. Or your country being invaded by a greedy money hunger lunatic. If it was id about bet the mexican border traffic would be going the other way and youd be one of the first across. Probably looking for free aid from them like you claim you despise here. You try to tell me how you justify putin attacking a country that never fired a shot at him and killing thousands of women and children. How in any stretch of the imagination was that good for Unkraine?? I remember my grandpa telling me that there was even pro nazi sympathizers in his small town before ww2. They though hitler was a great man. He said even when they started conquering other countrys some claimed he was saving them. He said they didnt disapear until americans started comming home in body bags.

So you know that what you are saying here is 100 percent fact?

With all the cell phones out there, we should be seeing this.

 

Seeing what?

[VA Rifleman]

some refuse to see the truth when its right before their eyes. Instead believe some conspiracy theory and are played.

Yup. Sometimes it’s self evident that 2 + 2 = 4.

Hard to keep up with the latest alternative view on Ukraine. Keeps changing. Is it still “Russia hasn’t attacked Ukraine” or has the “Ukrainians were fixing to attack Moscow” narrative gained ground?

[VA Rifleman]

TM.
“The Drive is some shop talk site for military buffs.

Sort of. I find the info highest quality with no hyperbole.

Did you have a MOS? Mine was 6646. “IMA, Aircraft Attack Systems Technician, A-4 / AV-8A”. IMA denotes 2nd level maintenance. We fixed black box’s though they were actually gray on the A4M. Our avionics complex sat on the Cherry Point flight line with a good view of the south Harrier pad. Been fascinated ever since.

TM.
“Then there's another video of one of these massacred victims moving around his tarp”. 

Actually the apparent movement was a raindrop on the windshield. Article in the Drive.

[VA Rifleman]

Earlier post, tried to explain the need for a Russian occupation.

Russian state-owned propaganda outlet RIA agrees with me in a article titled "What Russia must do with Ukraine"


Twitter source. Sergej Sumlenny

It calls almost every Ukrainian a Nazi who deserves death.

"Nazis who took weapons, must be killed in numbers as much as possible... Not just the elites, the most of the people are guilty, they are passive Nazis, Nazi enablers. They supported these elites and must be punished

Further denacification of the mass of the population is to be reached through ideological repression (oppression) of Nazi ideas and through harsh censorship: not only in politics, but in culture and education areas".

it foresees economic and political destruction of Ukraine:

"Ukraine must pay for its guilt towards Russia. It must be treated as an enemy, and therefore may develop only in dependency to Russia. No "Marshall plan" may happen. No "neutrality" both ideological or practical".

A tyrannical future emerges:

"Personnel providing denazification in new denazified republics (plural! - Sumlenny) cannot act on another way but only with direct military-police and management support from Russia. Denazification must be a Deukrainisation".

Ukraine is the enemy:

"The history has proven: Ukraine may not exist as a national state. Any attempt to create it leads to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construct... De-banderisation is not enough... Denazification of Ukraine must be De-Europeazation of it

Deliberate targeting of civilians:

"The Bandera-elites must be liquidated, they cannot be re-educated. The social "swamp" who supported them must experience terror of war and learn the lesson, and pay for its guilt".

How does it tie in?  Atrocities in the recaptured areas are not incompatible with statements from RIA.

[Bob Riebe]

[ulav8r]

Just read something funny on elenafilatova.com . She said that before the invasion, the world thought Russia had the second most powerful army in the world.  Now they know Russia has the second most powerful army in Ukraine.

[Bob Riebe]

Now it looks like the timeline is Russian forces pulled out Kiev suburbs the end of March. Then the mayor of Boucha said Ukrainian Nationalist Police (aka Azov Nazi brigade) was going in to clean up Russian sympathizers (of which there are alot tired of nazies, Zelenskyy and Americans).    Then on the April 3rd we get the first reports of a massacre.

This would be the Unit that if one wants to believe Ukraines killing Ukraines that might do it and Putin considers Nazis.
The war in the Donbas before this incursion was Ukraine killing Ukraine.

Lara Logan in her one report stated they are still use symbols from their attachment to the German SS in WWII, and are as bad as Putin says, BUT they are , at least from this report not station up by Kiev.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/29/europe/ukraine-azov-movement-far-right-intl-cmd/index.html

A far-right battalion has a key role in Ukraine's resistance. Its neo-Nazi history has been exploited by Putin

President Vladimir Putin framed the Russian invasion of Ukraine as a "special mission" to protect Russian speakers from genocide at the hands of ​"neo-Nazis."
In a speech broadcast minutes before the invasion began on February 24​, Putin said: "We will seek to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine," ignoring the fact that the country's president, Volodymyr Zelensky, is Jewish.
For the Kremlin, Exhibit A in this special mission is the far-right Azov movement, part of the military and political landscape in Ukraine for nearly a decade. ​

Members of the Azov regiment and veterans march with torches to celebrate Defender of Ukraine Day in Kyiv on October 14, 2016.

Azov's military and political wings formally separated in 2016, when the far-right National Corps party was founded. The Azov battalion had by then been integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard.

An effective fighting force that's very much involved in the current conflict, the battalion has a history of neo-Nazi leanings, which have not been entirely extinguished by its integration into the Ukrainian military. ​

In its heyday as an autonomous militia, the Azov Battalion was associated with White supremacists and neo-Nazi ideology and insignia. It was especially active in and around Mariupol in 2014 and 2015. CNN teams in the area at the time reported Azov's embrace of neo-Nazi emblems and paraphernalia.
After its integration into the Ukrainian National Guard, amid discussions in the US Congress about designating the Azov Movement a foreign terrorist organization, Ukraine's then minister of internal affairs, Arsen Avakov, defended the unit. "The shameful information campaign about the alleged spread of Nazi ideology (among Azov members) is a deliberate attempt to discredit the 'Azov' unit and the National Guard of Ukraine," he told the online newspaper Ukrayinska Pravda in 2019.

The battalion still operates as a relatively autonomous entity. It has been prominent in defending Mariupol in recent weeks, and its resistance has been widely praised by members of the government.
For Putin, who has falsely claimed Ukraine's government is run by "drug addicts and neo-Nazis," Azov presents an obvious target. Moscow has given the regiment an outsized role in the conflict, routinely accusing it of human rights abuses.
On March 7, Russia's ambassador to the United Nations blamed the Azov regiment for blocking an evacuation corridor in the besieged port city, saying they were using "citizens as a human shield." That claim has been repeated consistently in Russian media.
The same day, Azov major Denis Prokopenko said in a video shared on the regiment's Twitter account that the "attempts to organize a safe corridor for the (relocation) of civilian people... failed because of several actions of the enemy (Russian forces) in the assembly area."
After the bombing of a Mariupol theater that was sheltering civilians and had "children" written in Russian on the ground on either side of the building, the Russian Defense Ministry accused "militants of the nationalist 'Azov' battalion" of carrying out the attack. ​
In the Russian disinformation playbook, the Azov movement is a tempting target -- one where fact and disinformation can be elided.

Kyiv citizens take part in military training for civilians conducted by Azov regiment veterans on February 6, 2022.

The existence of an identifiably Azov element within the Ukrainian armed forces -- and an effective element at that -- poses uncomfortable questions for the Ukrainian government and its Western allies, which continue to send arms to the country.
CNN has reached out to ​Ukraine's defense ministry for comment.
In the not-too-distant past, Azov's leadership openly espoused ​White supremacist views and cultivated links with similarly minded groups and individuals in the West.
In 2010, Andriy Biletsky, now leader of the National Corps, the Azov movement's political wing, reportedly said his goal was to "lead the White races of the world in a final crusade."

In a statement to CNN, the Azov regiment said it "appreciates and respects Andriy Biletsky as the regiment's founder and first commander, but we have nothing to do with his political activities and the National Corps party" -- adding the former commander never made such comments.
The statement said that Azov's "motivation has always angered Russia. Therefore, disinformation attacks on the AZOV Regiment have not stopped since 2014."
It added that the movement has "repeatedly denied allegations of fascism, nazism and racism," and have Ukrainians of all different backgrounds including "Greeks, Jews, Crimean Tatars, Russians" who "continue to serve in AZOV."
"Most of them are Russian-speaking, most are Orthodox. But there are Catholics and Protestants, Pagans and those who profess Islam and Judaism, and there are atheists," Azov asserted.
It noted that the Azov regiment's role is as "a special unit of the National Guard of Ukraine, and is subordinated exclusively to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief -- the President of Ukraine, by the way, a Jew."
"It would be absurd to think that we are united by the idea of white racism or nazism," the Azov statement added.
Despite the Azov movement's international notoriety, Ukraine "is not a cesspit for Nazi sympathizers," according to Alexander Ritzmann, a senior adviser at the Counter Extremism Project (CEP), based in Berlin.
He noted that in the last elections in Ukraine in 2019, Azov's political wing only won 2.15% of the vote, and Biletsky lost his seat in parliament.
Plus -- Ritzmann says -- there are far-right actors prominent in Russia, too. "There is a far-right extremist problem on both sides in the conflict, but there seems to be a bias in only reporting on Ukraine's far-right problem," he said.
Azov's beginnings
The Azov Battalion was formed in 2014, the same year Russian-backed rebels began seizing territory across Ukraine's eastern Donbas region, and Russia invaded and captured Crimea. At the time, Ukraine's Ministry of Defense encouraged volunteer battalions to join the resistance campaign and help its struggling army.
The battalion's role in recapturing Mariupol in June 2014 from Russian-backed forces brought it "hero status" in Ukraine, said Ritzmann.
But that status came with baggage -- the far-right views of some members and neo-Nazi insignia. These included the black sun, "a pagan symbol appropriated by Nazis for their pseudo-religion," and the Wolfsangel, "a symbol that far-right extremists have also adopted," Ritzmann said.

Andriy Biletsky, the leader of the National Corps political party, reportedly said his goal was to "lead the White races of the world in a final crusade."
Azov's leaders have denied the neo-Nazi associations, saying the Wolfsangel "N" and "I' mean "national idea."
Even though the Azov Battalion was co-founded by Biletsky, who previously led the radical right group Patriot of Ukraine, the group was armed by the state and partly funded by local oligarchs in eastern Ukraine. That funding included money from the Jewish tycoon Ihor Kolomoisky, Ritzmann said. The US State Department sanctioned Kolomoisky in March 2021. The previous year, the US Justice Department placed him under investigation on accusations of embezzlement and fraud. ​
CNN has reached out to Kolomoisky's lawyer for comment.
In 2016, the United National High Commissioner of Human Rights accused armed groups on both sides of the Donbas conflict, including Azov, of human rights abuses.
International outreach
When the Azov Battalion was brought under the command of the Ministry of Internal Affairs as a regiment in 2014, "politically motivated fighters like (Andriy) Biletsky left and founded the Azov movement so they can do their ultra-nationalist, far-right work, which they were not allowed to do in the Ukrainian military," Ritzmann said.
The political party Biletsky formed, the National Corps, which the US Department of State described in 2018 as a nationalist hate group, "is essentially the spine of what we today call the Azov movement," Kacper Rekawek, a research fellow with the Center for Research on Extremism (C-REX) at the University of Oslo, told CNN.
"The Azov movement is a dangerous key player of the transnational extreme-right and has served as a network hub for several years now, with strong ties to far-right extremists in many European Union countries and the United States," Ritzmann said.

Nationalist activists light flares and shout anti-Russian slogans during a demonstration in front of President Volodymyr Zelensky's offices in Kyiv on October 14, 2020.

Olena Semenyaka, the head of the National Corps' international department, attended a festival in 2018 organized by German neo-Nazis; and in 2019 she spoke at the far-right Scanza Forum in Sweden alongside British neo-Nazi Mark Collett.
Since forming in 2014, the ​Azov movement has grown to include a militia, summer camps for kids and paramilitary training centers. It runs activities, including music festivals, political events and mixed-martial-arts tournaments, as it promoted itself in the international far-right space.
The National Corps has repeatedly demonstrated its disdain for liberal values in its treatment of minority groups -- with few repercussions.
A 2018 US State Department report found that the movement's militia "attacked and destroyed a Romani camp in Kyiv after its residents failed to respond to their ultimatum to leave the area within 24 hours," in full view of the local police.

The 'Death Star'
While the far-right worldview of the Azov movement is clear, there has been an intense debate on whether the Azov Battalion should be classed a "foreign terrorist organization" by the US Department of State.
"People always assume it (the Azov regiment and Azov movement) is one Death Star," Rekawek said. "Year by year, the connections (between the regiment and the movement) are looser," he said, explaining that the battalion's ranks now include Ukrainians who have no affinity with its neo-Nazi past.
Ritzmann says the far-right element in Ukraine's army is no different to what's been detected in other militaries, such as in Germany and the US.
"Presumably, far-right extremists serve in the Ukrainian military as they do in all other militaries -- valid data regarding the exact numbers are not available," he said.

"Back in 2015, the Azov Regiment itself claimed to have between 10% and 20% far-right extremists in their ranks," but those figures are possibly smaller today, he said.
But the regiment still uses the Wolfsangel symbol, and leaders of the Azov movement, who used to be commanders in the unit, continue to visit it, said Oleksiy Kuzmenko, a Ukrainian-American investigative journalist focusing on the Ukrainian far-right.
"The current leader of the Azov Regiment, Denis 'Redis' Prokopenko, is part of the core of the Azov movement since 2014, and served under commanders who went on to lead the Azov movement political and street wings," Kuzmenko told CNN.
Prokopenko's deputy, Svyatoslav "Kalyna" Palamar, has explicitly praised the movement's founder, Biletsky, as "a leader who 'finds sponsors that really invest money' into the regiment," Kuzmenko said.

In this photo taken outside Kyiv on July 14, 2017, a student at a paramilitary camp for children calls the rank to attention.

Kuzmenko points out that as of 2021, the regiment was "actively involved in the training of the movement's youth leaders," and its website has a link to the movement's YouTube channel.
"Ukraine and (the) West's inaction on these issues paved the way for Putin to quite literally weaponize them against Ukraine in an attempt to justify his aggression," Kuzmenko said.
"While it's correct to point (out that) Ukraine's far-right has minimal electoral support, they (Azov) have enjoyed near impunity for violence aimed at minorities, were unchecked in their efforts to build influence in military and security forces, and have been normalized by Ukraine's senior leaders," he said.
In a statement to CNN on Wednesday, Prokopenko said: "Whoever calls us Nazis is deeply mistaken. We have young brave soldiers who give their lives for the independence of Ukraine and throw themselves under enemy tanks."
Foreign fighters
Since it formed, the Azov movement has recruited foreign fighters motivated by White supremacism to fight in Ukraine, experts say. Russia's full-scale invasion of the country, and Zelensky's call for foreign volunteers to join the fight, have raised concerns about radicalization in the war.
"My concern is that people, especially far-right extremists in Europe, (will gain) combat experience and training in the Ukrainian theater and then use that for terrorist attacks in Europe proper," Colin P. Clarke, senior research fellow at the New York- based ​foreign policy research nonprofit the Soufan Center, told CNN.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/220323161211-09-ukraines-far-right-azov-exlarge-169.jpg
Valentyna Konstantynovska, aged 79, holds a weapon during basic combat training for civilians organized by the Azov regiment on February 13, 2022.

In 2020, Buzzfeed reported that Ukraine deported two members from the US-based neo-Nazi group the Atomwaffen Division, who were trying to gain combat experience with Azov.
Rekawek, an expert on foreign fighters at C-REX, said Azov has only been able to recruit 20 foreign fighters since the start of the 2022 invasion. CNN has not been able to verify those figures independently.
For its part, Russia also has a thriving ultra-nationalist scene that is tolerated by the authorities.
The Russian Imperial Movement (RIM), an extreme-right militia based in St. Petersburg, ​was, in 2020, the first White supremacist group to be categorized as "Specially Designated Global Terrorists" by the US State Department. While the RIM has worked in opposition to Putin's regime, it has supported the Russian side in the war against Ukraine -- training Russian militants to join pro-Russian separatists in the conflict, according to the Center for International Security and Cooperation (CISAC) at Stanford University.

National party leader Marine Le Pen at the Kremlin in Moscow on March 24, 2017.

"They have never confronted their own nationalists," said Rekawek. ​Experts say Russia has also been a player in Europe's far-right space, with France's Marine Le Pen and Italy's Matteo Salvini enjoying close links with Putin before the 2022 invasion.
And of the "few hundred western individuals with extreme right-wing or 'nationalist' convictions" who traveled to fight in the Ukraine conflict around 2014, "most of those extremist volunteers fought on the side of the pro-Russian separatists," according to a CEP report published in March.
Ritzmann has found pro-Russian groups calling for volunteers in his research. This includes "the Russian security contractor Wagner Group, which has a history of displaying Nazi insignia," he said in the CEP report.

But amid the tide of millions of refugees and untold damage to Ukrainian cities, some experts say Russia's fixation on a minor player like the Azov movement serves a purpose -- allowing the Kremlin to frame the conflict as an ideological and even existential struggle. However remote from reality that may be.
This story has been updated to include a statement from the Azov regiment.

Take from this what ever you may choose.

[Lloyd Smale]

yup but for some 2+2 will always be 3. Just because they believe having a different answer makes them somehow wiser then the rest of us. To the rest of us dead children and babies =4. Even if there not our own or even from this country. Being a Christian first and an American second kind of demands we answer that math equation properly. Only difference i see is America with good leadership would have ended this math lesson over a month ago. But our government puts more store in reelection that the lives of innocent people. Same government that is letting us be over run on our own border and pretends to be more concerned about the world a 100 years from now then the complete cluster F  theyve created today. A government that just loves putin chearleaders that will alow them to get away with acting like some 60s hippys that want peace and flowers.

some refuse to see the truth when its right before their eyes. Instead believe some conspiracy theory and are played.

Yup. Sometimes it’s self evident that 2 + 2 = 4.

Hard to keep up with the latest alternative view on Ukraine. Keeps changing. Is it still “Russia hasn’t attacked Ukraine” or has the “Ukrainians were fixing to attack Moscow” narrative gained ground?

[ironglow]

Why are we just seeing a few still pictures here and edited videos there? I think we are all being gamed on this.

    Stills only?  Doesn't look like it!

   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0NIUa6Or6E

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBeAY5uglH4

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaCD0XlxYgA

Of course, after viewing thes videos, next complaint will be.."we should have live videos of Russians doing the killing" !  Sure..and with just a moment's thought, would tell us what would happen to anyone doing a video of the actual murders !

[Lloyd Smale]

he must not own a television. Its on every news station on the tv and internet.

Why are we just seeing a few still pictures here and edited videos there? I think we are all being gamed on this.

    Stills only?  Doesn't look like it!

   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0NIUa6Or6E

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBeAY5uglH4

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaCD0XlxYgA

Of course, after viewing thes videos, next complaint will be.."we should have live videos of Russians doing the killing" !  Sure..and with just a moment's thought, would tell us what would happen to anyone doing a video of the actual murders !

[VA Rifleman]

TM7. VaRifleman... Do you have a copy of that RIA document that Sergei Sumlenny takes twitter snippets from? I would like to see that.

Best I can do is this translation. The Sergei Sumlenny Twitter thread contains a link to the original.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-russia-should-do-ukraine-translation-article-russian-

Linkedin version is longer but doesn’t get any better. These sections speaking to occupation, forced labor for those not executed and other things.

 “Denazification can only be carried out by the winner, which implies (1) his absolute control over the denazification process and (2) the power to ensure such control. In this respect, a denazified country cannot be sovereign”.

“the necessary initial steps of denazification can be defined as follows:

— liquidation of armed Nazi formations (which refers to any armed formations of Ukraine, including the Armed Forces of Ukraine), as well as the military, information, and educational infrastructure that ensures their activity;

— the formation of bodies of people's self-government and the police (defense and law enforcement) of the liberated territories, protecting the population from the terror of underground Nazi groups;

— deployment of the Russian information space;

— withdrawal of educational materials and prohibition of educational programs at all levels containing Nazi ideological guidelines;

— mass investigations to establish personal responsibility for war crimes, crimes against humanity, the spread of Nazi ideology and support for the Nazi regime;

— lustration, publication of the names of accomplices of the Nazi regime, involving them in forced labor to restore the destroyed infrastructure as punishment for Nazi activities (from among those who will not be subject to the death penalty or imprisonment);”


Edit. I believe this is the original RIA article by Ria Novosti. Don’t speak Russki. Did you look? Wasn’t hard to find.

https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html?fbclid=IwAR2iD04QpIIVTlBsqKXhFxb6puXF6_F2XH_OFsjwt7I7UMjtH9aFJ-6MmkA

[VA Rifleman]

Sensitive to the whole Nazi thing. There were fake Nazi’s at a VA Governor rally trying to define VA conservatives as Nazi’s. Seems a common tactic.

[billy_56081]

Why are we just seeing a few still pictures here and edited videos there? I think we are all being gamed on this.

    Stills only?  Doesn't look like it!

   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0NIUa6Or6E

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBeAY5uglH4

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaCD0XlxYgA

Of course, after viewing thes videos, next complaint will be.."we should have live videos of Russians doing the killing" !  Sure..and with just a moment's thought, would tell us what would happen to anyone doing a video of the actual murders !

In fact I have seen no live feeds of the action.

I have seen too many edited and fake videos to believe any of this anymore.

[Dee]

Why are we just seeing a few still pictures here and edited videos there? I think we are all being gamed on this.

    Stills only?  Doesn't look like it!

   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0NIUa6Or6E

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBeAY5uglH4

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaCD0XlxYgA

Of course, after viewing thes videos, next complaint will be.."we should have live videos of Russians doing the killing" !  Sure..and with just a moment's thought, would tell us what would happen to anyone doing a video of the actual murders !

In fact I have seen no live feeds of the action.

I have seen too many edited and fake videos to believe any of this anymore.

Billy they're on the TV every day all day. There's no way you can scam the entire world into believing a "non existent war".

[billy_56081]

Why are we just seeing a few still pictures here and edited videos there? I think we are all being gamed on this.

    Stills only?  Doesn't look like it!

   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0NIUa6Or6E

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBeAY5uglH4

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaCD0XlxYgA

Of course, after viewing thes videos, next complaint will be.."we should have live videos of Russians doing the killing" !  Sure..and with just a moment's thought, would tell us what would happen to anyone doing a video of the actual murders !

In fact I have seen no live feeds of the action.

I have seen too many edited and fake videos to believe any of this anymore.

Billy they're on the TV every day all day. There's no way you can scam the entire world into believing a "non existent war".

Oh it's happening to some extent,  just not what we are being fed.

[ironglow]

  Well, so our Russian supreme leader claims there are Nazis in the Ukraine..  I have heard Supreme Russian leaders tell the world lots of things over the last seven decades..some of them were actually  true...the rest, propaganda.

  So now Putin uses the excuse of some Nazis being harbored by Ukraine...sounds a familiar ring with Biden's "white supremacists"..

  So, even if there were a few in the Ukraine..Nazis and commies have always been rival political theories. 
   We already know there are many lingering communists in Russia today..so does that give Ukraine or any other country for that matter, a good excuse to invade Russia?
 
 I think not..any more than Russia upon their own accusation, had a right  to invade the Ukraine.

  If Russia hates Nazis, they didn't demonstrate it very well, when the two "evil empires"(Ronald Reagan) joined together to gobble up Poland from 1939-1941..

[Mule 11]

Russia fought alongside the U.S. in ww2 against germany.. Not at the beginning, butt, at the end.

[magooch]

Putin certainly is a world criminal and doesn't deserve to continue leading even the most putrid **it hole country nor does he deserve to keep sucking air.  But ya know something--we have nothing to brag about in what some call our president.  Both of them should be stretching a rope.

[Dee]

Putin certainly is a world criminal and doesn't deserve to continue leading even the most putrid **it hole country nor does he deserve to keep sucking air.  But ya know something--we have nothing to brag about in what some call our president.  Both of them should be stretching a rope.

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