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Sherman's March
« on: April 07, 2022, 05:02:38 PM »
Never have seen this.
I'm totally amazed.
They just got through showing
how the union troops pillaged
and looted and vandalized the
civilians in and around Atlanta.
I can hardly believe they'd actually
admit to that on national television.
The only time I've ever seen the
brutality accurately portrayed was
the Cold Mountain movie I went and
saw with my girlfriend at the time.
She was sobbing and crying when the
character Sara was robbed and brutalized
by the union soldiers and Inman killed
them. If you haven't seen that, it's something
everyone should watch

18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2022, 05:21:08 PM »
They taught all that in my part of Texas in the public schools all the way into the early 60s. Then they decided to change history.
The the farther you get away from history, the farther you get away from the truth.

The women of Savannah met Sherman out on the road and ask him not to burn Savannah and he agreed not to. Abraham Lincoln was the worst president in our history but Joe Biden is fast approaching his record of Destruction.
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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2022, 12:43:08 AM »
it happened on both sides   https://historycollection.com/10-forgotten-heinous-war-crimes-american-civil-war/4/ Seems we fight each other much dirtier then we do foreign enemys. War is hell. Its not much different then saying the ukraine is being to nasty with prisoners. There are few gentlemen in war. At least not that win. I do agree that without that wacko Lincoln this war probably wouldnt have happened. He was the true war criminal.
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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2022, 06:46:57 AM »
Dresden was fire bombed in WWII, things never change, but the most brutal, win wars, unless God decideds other wise.

At that, in the old testament, God had entire populations executed under his orders, such is war.

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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2022, 08:03:05 PM »
Wars ain't won by people being nice to one another.  I think Sherman executed a war plan.  No one cares what the losers think.
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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2022, 10:29:18 PM »
very true. In my opinion that war was fought because rich on both sides wanted to stay rich or get richer. IT wasnt fought over slavery. IF people back then had access to the truth like they do now soldiers on both sides would have never fought.
Wars ain't won by people being nice to one another.  I think Sherman executed a war plan.  No one cares what the losers think.
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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2022, 02:12:28 AM »
very true. In my opinion that war was fought because rich on both sides wanted to stay rich or get richer. IT wasnt fought over slavery. IF people back then had access to the truth like they do now soldiers on both sides would have never fought.
Wars ain't won by people being nice to one another.  I think Sherman executed a war plan.  No one cares what the losers think.

  Much depends upon whose "history" we study, and usually the truth lies somewhere between..in 'no man's land'.. which is why I have studied both, in an effort to find balance. ;) ;D

   I believe Lloyd for the most part, is correct here..  Until shortly before the war, the southern plantation owners would ship their cotton to the north, and the north industrialists would resell the cotton to Europe for a tidy profit.
  Then they would turn around, and sell manufactured goods including agricultural machinery, to the southern states .

  The southern plantation owners decided to sell their cotton directly to European powers for  themselves, and buy machinery directly from the European industrial base, and in doing this, they had made "friends' with the European industrial players..especially in England.

    Of course, while doing this, they naturally raised the ire of the northern power brokers, so the planters agitated for action..
   At this point the southern power axis... the rich planters, had they been smart and not so self centered, would have played for time..  The cotton gin had already been invented, and our industrial revolution was well under way, which would have negated most of the need for slaves, and in a relatively few years, slavery would have gone away.

    To his credit, Lincoln seemed ready to let slavery "die on the vine", but for some reason the southern aristocrats insisted that slavery be allowed in the new states just coming on line in the west.

  Lincoln's plan was far better that losing so many Americans in this futile war, IMO.. 

  About 725,000 of our best died..and likely as many or more maimed?  This out of a total of 31,000,000 people..
  Imagine; nearly 2 persons per every 31 persons of our population, either killed or wounded !

  So once war was declared, the first thing the north did, was to close the port of Charleston thereby closing off the finances to the south, and preventing aid from arriving from European powers.  Once the port of Charleston was closed, next on the list was the port of New Orleans.

  Remember logistics.."Battles are won by tactics, wars are won by logistics"  (Gen "Blackjack" Pershing)

    In all, between the northern industrialists and the southern plantation 'aristocrats'  they managed to
 get the war under way..the same story as most wars.
  We should be blaming both of these power centers for the mess, rather than our troops our generals!

  President Lincoln...  I know I will ruffle feathers, but from my studies, I figure Lincoln to be a tragic figure, caught up in a war he desperately wanted to avoid, knowing the voluminous death count it would engender.
  Yes, he wanted to end slavery, but an even stronger motive, was to preserve the union. 
 
  Look at Lincoln's background..he was no rich industrialist, but a farm boy from Illinois ! ...And he carried that identity and motives into the White house.

  To wit..  In his second inaugural address , after being re-elected in 1864, Lincoln speaking toward an eventual victory, spoke of the outcome, when he declared, "with malice toward none".

  When the articles of surrender at Appomattox Court House were signed, he only stripped the southern soldiers of their muskets..allowing them to take their horses, mules etc. home with them, knowing that they would need them in a reconstructed south.
  Further, the democrats wanted to "punish" the south after the war, but Lincoln shot down their ideas.

  A pity that he was assassinated, else he would never have condoned the shameful carpet baggers and scalawags.
   IMO..Lincoln was fully a gentleman on the order of Robert E. Lee, but rough hewn and without the aristocratic touches.

   Now, go ahead and hurl your brickbats!  ..But please do it politely, with facts, and without name calling..
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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2022, 04:30:10 AM »
it happened on both sides   https://historycollection.com/10-forgotten-heinous-war-crimes-american-civil-war/4/ Seems we fight each other much dirtier then we do foreign enemys. War is hell. Its not much different then saying the ukraine is being to nasty with prisoners. There are few gentlemen in war. At least not that win. I do agree that without that wacko Lincoln this war probably wouldnt have happened. He was the true war criminal.
Yeah, I have a cousin buried at Andersonville Ga. who died from starvation and disease.
Not a nice way to treat POWs.
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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2022, 04:37:33 AM »
it happened on both sides   https://historycollection.com/10-forgotten-heinous-war-crimes-american-civil-war/4/ Seems we fight each other much dirtier then we do foreign enemys. War is hell. Its not much different then saying the ukraine is being to nasty with prisoners. There are few gentlemen in war. At least not that win. I do agree that without that wacko Lincoln this war probably wouldnt have happened. He was the true war criminal.
Yeah, I have a cousin buried at Andersonville Ga. who died from starvation and disease.
Not a nice way to treat POWs.

  Andersonville was a travesty of decency..  ..But of course, the union had some similar
 shame holes, one in Cook county in Illinois and another at Elmira New York..

  ..And as I recall, the one in Cook co., was run by a guy from Switzerland.
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2022, 05:33:15 AM »
remember to because of LINCOLN many of the northern soldiers were forced to serve. He introduced the draft and was so hypocritical in favor of the rich he allowed people with money to have another person serve for them so they wouldnt have to fight. Up here it was even many native americans that had nothing to gain in this fight that were forced to serve for the north. We have a small cemetery in our little town and a war memorial there. There are 5 civil war soliders listed on the monument and all were native americans. I cant say my family fought in it because they didnt come here till 1882. Mas family came from germany and dads from england.

Most of the cilvilization of this area came around them with the big boom in iron and copper mining and the lumber industry. It was pretty much wilderness up here during the civil war. Michigan didnt even become a state till 24 years before the war. About the only settled place was around detroit. So i can say with pretty much certainty that it wasnt Michigan Yankees that committed war crimes. Matter of fact the same can be said about probably the upper 1/4 of the country except maybe the east coast states.

 its probably why it kind of blew me away when i lived down south that there was so much anamosity against the north. I never heard a single negative comment up here growing up about the south. Nobody says much at all about the civil war. Why would we. I could see some animosity agaisnt the states that did the fighting but even that is silly because theres nobody alive that did a thing to the south. The south gets along just fine today. I chuckle when i hear "the south will rise again" Newsflash. That happened a 100 years ago. But to lump everyone in that lives about some magical line drawn on a map because they were forced to fight a war that nobody today is alive that fought in is just Childish. Honestly to think your better then someone else because of what state you live in is just as childish. UNLESS were talking California!!! I served this country not michigan and served along side of some fine people from the south. Some are still friends to this day. I also served with idiots from the north and south. I fly an american flag not a michigan flag in my yard and would as quickly take up arms to protect someone from georgia or alabama as i would ohio or wisconson. .
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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2022, 06:06:09 AM »
remember to because of LINCOLN many of the northern soldiers were forced to serve. He introduced the draft and was so hypocritical in favor of the rich he allowed people with money to have another person serve for them so they wouldnt have to fight.
  Correction:  A form of draft was enacted by the US, as far back as 1782.  Lincoln did not enact conscription..it took an act of congress to do so.  Meanwhile, the confederate states launched their own conscription program..    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/congress-passes-civil-war-conscription-act#:~:text=During%20the%20Civil%20War%2C%20the%20government%20of%20the%20Confederate%20States,enacted%20a%20compulsory%20military%20draft.

 Up here it was even many native americans that had nothing to gain in this fight that were forced to serve for the north. We have a small cemetary in our little town and a war memorial there. There are 5 civil war soliders listed on the monument and all were native americans.

    I suggest that native Americans had about as much to gain or lose, as the average American GI.  If the union had lost, would their seperate and sovereign reserved nations still be allowed to exist? Or perhaps we would have had a redo of Andrew Jackson's "trail of tears"?

  Why make a race.ethnic thing of it anyway?  A couple years ago, i visited the king's mountain battlefield park, which is about on the South Carolina and North Carolina border.  Walking the trail, i saw several monuments along the way. As I made the top of the hill, I saw one monument dedicated to 2 or 3 black soldiers who served there.  I immediately wondered.."Why segregate 2 or 3 out from the rest?  Were they not ALL American patriots?  Should we not honor every one there, regardless of their roots?"


 I cant say my family fought in it because they didnt come here till 1882. Mas family came from germany and dads from england. Most of the cilvilization of this area came around them with the big boom in iron and copper mining and the lumber industry. It was pretty much wilderness up here during the civil war.

  My earliest arrived ancestor, came to New England in 1652, although I hav e heard there is native American in there somewhere, which would pre-date him.  There has been at least one or more of my antecedents involved in each of our wars, ever since then. One who served in the civil War, was with the NY 59th inf. regt. ..and served early in battles in Virginia..later to ship to New Orleans..then fight overland to the Sabine river area on the Louisiana /Texas border.  He came home to have a small general store.
 

  BTW;    Ely Parker, a Tonawanda Indian from the Tonawanda reservation northeast of Buffalo, served on Gen Grant's staff and was very well thought of by Pres Lincoln.
  He furnished the finished copy of the surrender document that Gen Lee signed at Appomattox Court House..

  Later he became first native American, serve as head of Indian affairs..
   
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2022, 07:05:29 AM »
it kind of blew me away when i lived down south that there was so much anamosity against the north. I never heard a single negative comment up here growing up about the south. Nobody says much at all about the civil war.
Same with me.
I've been in the south now over 52 years and am still not accepted.

When the war started (by South Carolina) all of the south's grievances were being debated in congress and real progress was being made.
Fort Sumter was being inundated by soldiers from all the outlying posts who were being sniped at by SC militia.
So Sumter needed groceries and a unarmed ship was sent to resupply.
The SC militia said it was loaded with ammo. (how they knew this I don't know) And they opened the war by firing on it.
This is akin to Germany shooting down our planes as they fly in to resupply our bases there.
Anyhow, nobody, I repeat, nobody wanted a civil war except some SC hotheads.

Here's an excerpt from A.H. Stephens speech.  (CSA veep)

In particular, he stated that "our new government['s] foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. >:(

IMO, most of the southern boys who fought were victims of propaganda by the slave owners and the south needs to get over it. ::)

I'm not angry at the south for killing my cousin.  My cousin would probably not have been there if he wasn't drafted. :)
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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2022, 07:13:59 AM »
Back to the op
Sherman's scorched earth policy was very like the Russians today.
A sorry way to fight a war.
I think Germany and Japan were different in the fact that they were never going to give up so we sacrificed some civilians.
Russia started out killing civilians.  It seems to me that Putin is guilty of war crimes.
Civilians do get killed in war, but they shouldn't be a primary target.  Such as the bombing of a theater full of children.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2022, 11:27:15 PM »
honestly i can see where some of the animosity comes from today. I have similar dislikes. They get invaded, especially in states like FL TX and AZ by winter people from the north that want to not only live there but push there life style on them. We get it up here too with people from the south and the northern city people that want to come up here were theres actually trees and wilderness and change the way we live. Down south they deal with liberal trash that wants to take away there right to fly the flag they love and to take down monuments of people who fought as bravely as any from the north. Id be pissed if someone forced me to take down my lets go brandon flag too. They want to squelch there right to freely express what they believe in and thats just WRONG.

What they sometimes do overlook though that its there own liberals. Born and bred in the south that are pushing these things. Not someone who lives in MI or WI. Fact is there are LOTS of liberals there too. Look at the polls and show me a state that isnt at least 30 percent democratic down there. Many close to 50 percent. Truth be told i heard a few snide comments when i lived down there but was treated very well. Yup they had some silly stereotypes but when they got to know you personally that judgment went away. Mostly today you see it in immature young people and we all know that that group loves beating there chest about anything. Its one of the reasons i think everyone should serve at least 2 years in the military. There you find that it doesnt matter if your black or white, North or South. Nobody gives a rats ass about that silliness when shtf. It taught many that there dad and grandpa just might have been wrong in there judgments. Its kind of why to this day i wont fly a michigan flag in my yard. I have no elegance to michigan. Matter of fact for the most part its politics suck. My elegance is to America!! Just so happens this is where my ancestors settled. It didnt make them any better or smarter and it doesnt make me better or smarter then someone who lives in FL, NC or TX eithere. Nobody choses where there born.
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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2022, 09:45:13 AM »
honestly i can see where some of the animosity comes from today. I have similar dislikes. They get invaded, especially in states like FL TX and AZ by winter people from the north that want to not only live there but push there life style on them. We get it up here too with people from the south and the northern city people that want to come up here were theres actually trees and wilderness and change the way we live. Down south they deal with liberal trash that wants to take away there right to fly the flag they love and to take down monuments of people who fought as bravely as any from the north. Id be pissed if someone forced me to take down my lets go brandon flag too. They want to squelch there right to freely express what they believe in and thats just WRONG.

What they sometimes do overlook though that its there own liberals. Born and bred in the south that are pushing these things. Not someone who lives in MI or WI. Fact is there are LOTS of liberals there too. Look at the polls and show me a state that isnt at least 30 percent democratic down there. Many close to 50 percent. Truth be told i heard a few snide comments when i lived down there but was treated very well. Yup they had some silly stereotypes but when they got to know you personally that judgment went away. Mostly today you see it in immature young people and we all know that that group loves beating there chest about anything. Its one of the reasons i think everyone should serve at least 2 years in the military. There you find that it doesnt matter if your black or white, North or South. Nobody gives a rats ass about that silliness when shtf. It taught many that there dad and grandpa just might have been wrong in there judgments. Its kind of why to this day i wont fly a michigan flag in my yard. I have no elegance to michigan. Matter of fact for the most part its politics suck. My elegance is to America!! Just so happens this is where my ancestors settled. It didnt make them any better or smarter and it doesnt make me better or smarter then someone who lives in FL, NC or TX eithere. Nobody choses where there born.
Good post
Yes every able bodied man should do military service.
Look at Georgia, two ultra liberal senators and we’ll probably have Stacey Abrams as a governor next time.
Yes, we are considering relocating.    Where??    I don’t know.
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Re: Sherman's March
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2022, 01:26:16 PM »
honestly i can see where some of the animosity comes from today. I have similar dislikes. They get invaded, especially in states like FL TX and AZ by winter people from the north that want to not only live there but push there life style on them. We get it up here too with people from the south and the northern city people that want to come up here were theres actually trees and wilderness and change the way we live. Down south they deal with liberal trash that wants to take away there right to fly the flag they love and to take down monuments of people who fought as bravely as any from the north. Id be pissed if someone forced me to take down my lets go brandon flag too. They want to squelch there right to freely express what they believe in and thats just WRONG.

What they sometimes do overlook though that its there own liberals. Born and bred in the south that are pushing these things. Not someone who lives in MI or WI. Fact is there are LOTS of liberals there too. Look at the polls and show me a state that isnt at least 30 percent democratic down there. Many close to 50 percent. Truth be told i heard a few snide comments when i lived down there but was treated very well. Yup they had some silly stereotypes but when they got to know you personally that judgment went away. Mostly today you see it in immature young people and we all know that that group loves beating there chest about anything. Its one of the reasons i think everyone should serve at least 2 years in the military. There you find that it doesnt matter if your black or white, North or South. Nobody gives a rats ass about that silliness when shtf. It taught many that there dad and grandpa just might have been wrong in there judgments. Its kind of why to this day i wont fly a michigan flag in my yard. I have no elegance to michigan. Matter of fact for the most part its politics suck. My elegance is to America!! Just so happens this is where my ancestors settled. It didnt make them any better or smarter and it doesnt make me better or smarter then someone who lives in FL, NC or TX eithere. Nobody choses where there born.
Good post
Yes every able bodied man should do military service.
Look at Georgia, two ultra liberal senators and we’ll probably have Stacey Abrams as a governor next time.
Yes, we are considering relocating.    Where??    I don’t know.

      Every able bodied man should do military service...  Well, that would be good for their character development.  .. But what about the misfits?  What would it do for any unit they serve in ?
  It was many years ago, that teenagers who were incorrigible law breakers, were given a choice.... "serve in jail or in the military".  I suppose most made it through..but it is likely some really screwed up.
   I recall a couple guys, older by 4-5 years than myself who got in trouble for torching a few old empty barns around the countryside.  Let's call them Kenny and Woofie..

   They were given the same choice..  Kenny chose jail, Woofie chose the military..  Probably a rare situation, but Woofie served in Korea..
 Ironically, Woofie became a real hero..silver star.. with a heroic story written uo..nearly a congressional MOH.

   Last I talked to Woofie, was probably 30 years ago..he was a steady worker, and raised a good family..
  Kenny?  Lost any contact, but since he had been a pampered kid and a bit daffy, I doubt he ended well.

  Speaking to my grandson after his first deployment as a special operator, he told me the Marines he served with, wouldn't want even conscripts with them. They didn't want anybody beside them that didn't want to be there..

   I guess that today, there are more misfits than ever..  I heard on radio, that only 30% of our young men are fit to serve as they aredrawn from the general population.
 
  Thatis quite a high percentage, taking into consideration that the perverse ones, (LGBTQ).. are not considered misfits !
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2022, 05:26:22 PM »
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Every able bodied man should do military service

I disagree, first off the military doesn't need that many folks and secondly we can't afford to pay that many folks to do things we don't even need done.

And if every able bodied man should then so should every able bodied woman. We don't want to discriminate ya know.


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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2022, 05:34:54 PM »

Good post
Yes every able bodied man should do military service.
Look at Georgia, two ultra liberal senators and we’ll probably have Stacey Abrams as a governor next time.
Yes, we are considering relocating.    Where??    I don’t know.

What branch of the service were you in?

Also, Texas is already full. Not a good relocation choice.  :)
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2022, 11:07:45 PM »
i really dont see a NEED for everyone to serve. If its two years they about waste the money it cost to train you. If everyone served 4 both man and women it would cost the taxpayer mega bucks to keep an army that big. I like it like it is. Join if you feel an obligation and give the ones who dont a pass. Like was said youd also get some real low lifes the military would have to deal with. Heck some in my own family that i wouldnt want to deal with as there nco.

If it wasnt so expensive again to train everyone going in the reserves wouldnt be a bad idea. But its just not practical. The way we do it know isnt really bad. We let those who at least think they want to serve serve. If we need more for a war theres always the draft. They do need to make changes to that though. Stop all deferments except for a person who physicaly could take it and even then theres desk jobs they could take. Make it a mandatory life sentence for a draft dodger. If they want to act out in boot camp or go awol pull them out and send them imediately to the hottest combat zone in the war.

They also defineately should be drafting women too. I also like the idea of making EVERY immigrant who comes into his country serve 2 years in the military. Unless they complete it without any bad marks on there evlaluation they shouldnt be made citizenes and be deported back to where they came. Actually theres a bad side to that too. With all the imigrants we have flooding our border today the military would be so filled up americans couldnt even join if they wanted. But come draft time anyone that immigrated in the previous 10 years thats under 40 should be the first on the list to be drafted. Citizens or not.

Military is the best thing that ever happened to me. I would have probably ended up in jail or dead if i wouldnt had joined. It made me who i am today. Even with all the pain i suffer because of it i would do it all again even knowing it. But its not for everyone. Ill add to that some serve without being in the military. Like our police and firefighters. Some of them have a much more dangerous job that a private in the army in peace time has. What i wont stand for is some desk jockey or someone that spent most of there life getting free money from the government showing disrespect for military police or firefighters. There even on here. People who spout off about how terrible things are but did absolutely nothing for this country and never will.

Maybe they should take all three of those categories and give them all 2 votes in elections instead of one. Can you imagine the liberals, fags, and the worse group of all. The ones that have all the answers but never do a thing, would jump up and down!! Can you imagine what the squad would say!! Or for that matter biden and harris and a number of polititians that didnt serve that would have less of a say come election time that a dirt priviate. 

Good post
Yes every able bodied man should do military service.
Look at Georgia, two ultra liberal senators and we’ll probably have Stacey Abrams as a governor next time.
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What branch of the service were you in?

Also, Texas is already full. Not a good relocation choice.  :)
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2022, 02:21:34 AM »
i really dont see a NEED for everyone to serve. If its two years they about waste the money it cost to train you. If everyone served 4 both man and women it would cost the taxpayer mega bucks to keep an army that big. I like it like it is. Join if you feel an obligation and give the ones who dont a pass. Like was said youd also get some real low lifes the military would have to deal with. Heck some in my own family that i wouldnt want to deal with as there nco.

If it wasnt so expensive again to train everyone going in the reserves wouldnt be a bad idea. But its just not practical. The way we do it know isnt really bad. We let those who at least think they want to serve serve. If we need more for a war theres always the draft. They do need to make changes to that though. Stop all deferments except for a person who physicaly could take it and even then theres desk jobs they could take. Make it a mandatory life sentence for a draft dodger. If they want to act out in boot camp or go awol pull them out and send them imediately to the hottest combat zone in the war.

They also defineately should be drafting women too. I also like the idea of making EVERY immigrant who comes into his country serve 2 years in the military. Unless they complete it without any bad marks on there evlaluation they shouldnt be made citizenes and be deported back to where they came. Actually theres a bad side to that too. With all the imigrants we have flooding our border today the military would be so filled up americans couldnt even join if they wanted. But come draft time anyone that immigrated in the previous 10 years thats under 40 should be the first on the list to be drafted. Citizens or not.

Military is the best thing that ever happened to me. I would have probably ended up in jail or dead if i wouldnt had joined. It made me who i am today. Even with all the pain i suffer because of it i would do it all again even knowing it. But its not for everyone. Ill add to that some serve without being in the military. Like our police and firefighters. Some of them have a much more dangerous job that a private in the army in peace time has. What i wont stand for is some desk jockey or someone that spent most of there life getting free money from the government showing disrespect for military police or firefighters. There even on here. People who spout off about how terrible things are but did absolutely nothing for this country and never will.

Maybe they should take all three of those categories and give them all 2 votes in elections instead of one. Can you imagine the liberals, fags, and the worse group of all. The ones that have all the answers but never do a thing, would jump up and down!! Can you imagine what the squad would say!! Or for that matter biden and harris and a number of polititians that didnt serve that would have less of a say come election time that a dirt priviate. 

Good post
Yes every able bodied man should do military service.
Look at Georgia, two ultra liberal senators and we’ll probably have Stacey Abrams as a governor next time.
Yes, we are considering relocating.    Where??    I don’t know.

What branch of the service were you in?

Also, Texas is already full. Not a good relocation choice.  :)

   Conscription is a fact in today's Israel, no exceptions except for the unable..  It appears most don't need coaxing..with the enemy staring them down every day, they can grasp the idea.

  https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel#:~:text=Conscription%20exists%20in%20Israel%20for,and%20two%20years%20for%20women.

     Their time in military seems to be a "rite of passage".. a note of pride.

  Still, it is a shame that we should have so many who who have grown to young adulthood actually needing to learn discipline.
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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2022, 02:28:21 AM »
Today's youth and their lac of maturity, has nothing to do with government. It has everything to do with the parents and they're raising, or lack thereof. Blame it on the parents.
EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING, has been given to them. Their real education is carried around in their hand in the form of a cell phone.
They don't even need a TV.
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2022, 05:04:22 AM »
[quote author=ironglow link=topic=294901.msg1099803333#msg1099803333 date=1649679694

  Still, it is a shame that we should have so many who who have grown to young adulthood actually needing to learn discipline.
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Heh, I learned discipline as a little boy on the end of a hickory switch.  :)

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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2022, 11:55:35 AM »
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I also like the idea of making EVERY immigrant who comes into his country serve 2 years in the military.

I disagree with that idea as much as the one that all should serve I have already commented on.

Can you imagine the mess it would be to manage such a military where most of them didn't even speak English and where they didn't even all speak the same language. You'd need interpreters who spoke a dozen or more languages to translate to them.

Would you like to be an English speaking REAL American in such an army in war time with those folks as your fellow soldiers and your life depending on them understanding the orders  you are all given?

Sorry we need to put more thought into such plans.

What is needed is to treat the invasion that is going on at our southern border for what it is and shoot them down as the invade our territory. I bet it wouldn't take more than a few days of that to put a stop to the invading army crossing to US territory.


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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2022, 12:05:18 PM »
What is needed is to treat the invasion that is going on at our southern border for what it is and shoot them down as the invade our territory. I bet it wouldn't take more than a few days of that to put a stop to the invading army crossing to US territory.


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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2022, 12:42:17 PM »
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I also like the idea of making EVERY immigrant who comes into his country serve 2 years in the military.

I disagree with that idea as much as the one that all should serve I have already commented on.

Can you imagine the mess it would be to manage such a military where most of them didn't even speak English and where they didn't even all speak the same language. You'd need interpreters who spoke a dozen or more languages to translate to them.

Would you like to be an English speaking REAL American in such an army in war time with those folks as your fellow soldiers and your life depending on them understanding the orders  you are all given?

Sorry we need to put more thought into such plans.

What is needed is to treat the invasion that is going on at our southern border for what it is and shoot them down as the invade our territory. I bet it wouldn't take more than a few days of that to put a stop to the invading army crossing to US territory.

All good points. 
When the hell would we do with military recruits that not only don't speak English, but can't read or write in any language?

We're getting flooded with illegals down here.  They're stopping cars blocks from my house, arresting the smugglers, and letting the border jumpers go. It's against the law for local law enforcement to detain them.

Meanwhile the rest of the country seems oblivious.
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I also like the idea of making EVERY immigrant who comes into his country serve 2 years in the military.

I disagree with that idea as much as the one that all should serve I have already commented on.

Can you imagine the mess it would be to manage such a military where most of them didn't even speak English and where they didn't even all speak the same language. You'd need interpreters who spoke a dozen or more languages to translate to them.

Would you like to be an English speaking REAL American in such an army in war time with those folks as your fellow soldiers and your life depending on them understanding the orders  you are all given?

Sorry we need to put more thought into such plans.

What is needed is to treat the invasion that is going on at our southern border for what it is and shoot them down as the invade our territory. I bet it wouldn't take more than a few days of that to put a stop to the invading army crossing to US territory.

Language issues were always touted as one of the greatest issues in the Soviet army.
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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2022, 12:49:21 PM »
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I also like the idea of making EVERY immigrant who comes into his country serve 2 years in the military.

I disagree with that idea as much as the one that all should serve I have already commented on.

Can you imagine the mess it would be to manage such a military where most of them didn't even speak English and where they didn't even all speak the same language. You'd need interpreters who spoke a dozen or more languages to translate to them.

Would you like to be an English speaking REAL American in such an army in war time with those folks as your fellow soldiers and your life depending on them understanding the orders  you are all given?

Sorry we need to put more thought into such plans.

What is needed is to treat the invasion that is going on at our southern border for what it is and shoot them down as the invade our territory. I bet it wouldn't take more than a few days of that to put a stop to the invading army crossing to US territory.
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2022, 10:12:39 PM »
i dont have an argument for that. Maybe use them to peel potatoes or wash clothes ect but even then it would be a pain. Bottom line is like you said the only way that really works is to stop them in the first place. Not feed the ones that are already here. If we had a good immigration policy one thing should be wrote in stone. They should have to be able to speak our language and read and write. But the fact is there coming into this country illegally not legally and we still give them food and housing schooling and money. Sadly the only real cure will have to come from washington and we all know that the dc politicians talking now so loudly will probably get into power and do very little. Even the republican ones. Only bright note is they sure couldnt do any worse. Its got to a point in this world today that aborting a fetus might just be doing it a favor. 
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I also like the idea of making EVERY immigrant who comes into his country serve 2 years in the military.

I disagree with that idea as much as the one that all should serve I have already commented on.

Can you imagine the mess it would be to manage such a military where most of them didn't even speak English and where they didn't even all speak the same language. You'd need interpreters who spoke a dozen or more languages to translate to them.

Would you like to be an English speaking REAL American in such an army in war time with those folks as your fellow soldiers and your life depending on them understanding the orders  you are all given?

Sorry we need to put more thought into such plans.

What is needed is to treat the invasion that is going on at our southern border for what it is and shoot them down as the invade our territory. I bet it wouldn't take more than a few days of that to put a stop to the invading army crossing to US territory.
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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2022, 01:32:15 AM »
   Back to the OP..  As I see it, the secession and the firing from Ft Sumpter was a sad mistake.  i see it as a small circle of 'elites' ..the planters, "working the crowd"
 
    They got the crowd worked up into a patriotic fervor. That fervor grew into a movement..a mistaken movement.

  It was doomed to fail at the start, as soon as the first shots were fired from Ft Sumpter.  There was no feasible way the south could win..IMO..

  The logistics were all in favor of the north !  The north and virtually all the industry, could feed themselves, and had superiority in numbers as well.
 
    The Union Navy was larger, and thus able to quarantine the ports of Charleston and New Orleans.
  The union had a more extensive rail and road system for supply and movement of armies..
  I suspect the south was hoping to get serious help from some European power.. and they may have stood an outside chance, until Gettysburg.

  Running on an almost religious fervor, the south had some remarkable early victories, such as Manassas (Bull Run)..and Gen Jackson controlled the Shenandoah for quite some time, still able to threaten Washington itself, so for much of the time, troops were stationed even on the capital grounds..

  ..But the power of the north gradually asserted itself, much like a slow starting pavement roller.

   At the start of the war, the south had a superior cavalry, while the north was far ahead in their artillery capabilities.  ..By the turning point at Gettysburg, the north has closed the cavalry gap..while their more competent artillery remained dominant.

  it was "written in the stars", before the fight even began, IMO...
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« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2022, 03:47:47 AM »
A very northern version of what caused the industrialized north with the aid of an inexperienced politician bought and paid for to attack and kill almost one million men, women, and children. Destroy their economy, and steal their property.  ::)
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