For you guys who were sympathetic to Putin's invasion..

[ironglow]

for you guys ho originally backed Putin...after some truth has emerged, are you still with him?

 
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAr-vlrRJqY

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51aO6R__qu8

   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2BscYygd9M
   

[billy_56081]

I'm not with him or against him. Russia and Ukraine need to wipe each other out.

[O-mega]

for you guys ho originally backed Putin...after some truth has emerged, are you still with him?

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51aO6R__qu8

If that is directed at me, I beg to differ on your assessment of backing Putin.  Understanding why something happens does not equate to supporting the action.  If you keep poking the bear is it a big surprise if he mauls you?  Does that mean that an observer who warned you about poking the bear supports the bear's action, and that they think the bear should get his way?

Russia was backed into a corner, so we should be surprised that they struck out?  And Russia is Russia, so we should be surprised that their military actions are not civilized?  I don't support what is happening in Ukraine, and hate that civies die, but people die in wars, and EVERY military kills civilians, some more than others, but every military does it.  Having said that, I do not think it's right to discriminately target civilians, and do not support the torture of POWs, or combatants.  But I also don't think we should be getting in the middle of this, that doesn't mean we won't, and if we do, I will back our boys no matter what, you can bank on that.  Same as I would shoot the bear above.

[BUGEYE]

Any time civilians are targeted, you are a war criminal.
My heart goes out to any people who are being tortured and murdered.

And us and the rest of the world are twiddling our thumbs as people die.
Shame on all of us.

[Mule 11]

for you guys ho originally backed Putin...after some truth has emerged, are you still with him?

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51aO6R__qu8

If that is directed at me, I beg to differ on your assessment of backing Putin.  Understanding why something happens does not equate to supporting the action.  If you keep poking the bear is it a big surprise if he mauls you?  Does that mean that an observer who warned you about poking the bear supports the bear's action, and that they think the bear should get his way?

Russia was backed into a corner, so we should be surprised that they struck out?  And Russia is Russia, so we should be surprised that their military actions are not civilized?  I don't support what is happening in Ukraine, and hate that civies die, but people die in wars, and EVERY military kills civilians, some more than others, but every military does it.  Having said that, I do not think it's right to discriminately target civilians, and do not support the torture of POWs, or combatants.  But I also don't think we should be getting in the middle of this, that doesn't mean we won't, and if we do, I will back our boys no matter what, you can bank on that.  Same as I would shoot the bear above.

Well said O-mega and I agree. Pretty sure we are the bear the O.P is poking...

[billy_56081]

If the "civilians" are making arms and supplies for the military, are they civilians?

[ironglow]

  Not aimed at any body...except who may have been 'sympathetic with Putin'.  If the shoe doesn't fit, no need to wear it..

[ironglow]

If the "civilians" are making arms and supplies for the military, are they civilians?

   Still wonder about your question, but;
   Civilians always make arms and supplies for their military, but surely not for the invaders.  American civilians have turned out a huge amount of arms and ammo for our military, for every war we ever fought.  Still, they are not combatants, since most of the work force during WW2 consisted of women.

  Now, what civilians are you speaking of..and what country doesn't expect their civilians to back their own military ?

[Mule 11]

And the if your not sympathetic to msm and biden no need to wear that shoe either..

[billy_56081]

If the "civilians" are making arms and supplies for the military, are they civilians?

   Still wonder about your question, but;
   Civilians always make arms and supplies for their military, but surely not for the invaders.  American civilians have turned out a huge amount of arms and ammo for our military, for every war we ever fought.  Still, they are not combatants, since most of the work force during WW2 consisted of women.

  Now, what civilians are you speaking of..and what country doesn't expect their civilians to back their own military ?

So can a munitions factory or military rations producing plant not be targeted because civilians work there?

[ironglow]

And the if your not sympathetic to msm and biden no need to wear that shoe either..

   Absolutely so !

[ironglow]

If the "civilians" are making arms and supplies for the military, are they civilians?

   Still wonder about your question, but;
   Civilians always make arms and supplies for their military, but surely not for the invaders.  American civilians have turned out a huge amount of arms and ammo for our military, for every war we ever fought.  Still, they are not combatants, since most of the work force during WW2 consisted of women.

  Now, what civilians are you speaking of..and what country doesn't expect their civilians to back their own military ?

So can a munitions factory or military rations producing plant not be targeted because civilians work there?

   Are you in favor of bombing both such venues?   Especially since it appears any food preparation,
   and the Ukraine war industry (basically Molotov cocktails) are being done in residential areas.

  In this case of course, the invaders don't belong in the Ukraine any more than the invaders crossing our southern borders belong here!

[billy_56081]

If the "civilians" are making arms and supplies for the military, are they civilians?

   Still wonder about your question, but;
   Civilians always make arms and supplies for their military, but surely not for the invaders.  American civilians have turned out a huge amount of arms and ammo for our military, for every war we ever fought.  Still, they are not combatants, since most of the work force during WW2 consisted of women.

  Now, what civilians are you speaking of..and what country doesn't expect their civilians to back their own military ?

So can a munitions factory or military rations producing plant not be targeted because civilians work there?

   Are you in favor of bombing both such venues?   Especially since it appears any food preparation,
   and the Ukraine war industry (basically Molotov cocktails) are being done in residential areas.

  In this case of course, the invaders don't belong in the Ukraine any more than the invaders crossing our southern borders belong here!

I guess if I were running a war on a country, I would destroy as much of the infrastructure powering the Army I was fighting as I could. An Army runs on its stomach, so food processors and water sources would be priority targets.

[O-mega]

If the "civilians" are making arms and supplies for the military, are they civilians?

   Still wonder about your question, but;
   Civilians always make arms and supplies for their military, but surely not for the invaders.  American civilians have turned out a huge amount of arms and ammo for our military, for every war we ever fought.  Still, they are not combatants, since most of the work force during WW2 consisted of women.

  Now, what civilians are you speaking of..and what country doesn't expect their civilians to back their own military ?

So can a munitions factory or military rations producing plant not be targeted because civilians work there?

   Are you in favor of bombing both such venues?   Especially since it appears any food preparation,
   and the Ukraine war industry (basically Molotov cocktails) are being done in residential areas.

  In this case of course, the invaders don't belong in the Ukraine any more than the invaders crossing our southern borders belong here!

If civilians are supporting the war effort, then they become legit military targets.  Now, I am not talking cheer leaders here, but ones that either pick up arms, which I think they should, or are part of any manufacturing of war supplies, and again I feel they should.  They have always been targeted, because as we have seen in Ukraine, and North Africa during WWII, logistics will halt an army faster than resistance will.  And if a resistance sets up in residential areas, then they too are legit military targets, though we, the US, currently go out of our way to minimize the optics of doing so.  In Iraq, we setup a system that would  get reverse trajectory on incoming mortars and automatically target those areas.  The mortar attacks declined sharply, and the reports of insurgents setting up mortars increased, a win-win IMO, but enough pressure was put on the pols that they had us stop using it to return fire.