Pat Buchanan commentary

[nw_hunter]

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/patrick-j-buchanan/should-we-commit-fight-russia-finland

[ironglow]

  I guess I would only reply with some rhetorical questions, and offering a bit of history.

   Have the Russians so soon forgotten the winter of 1939-1940, when they perpetrated war against Finland..and collected a very bloody nose for their trouble, handed them by little Finland?
   https://www.history.com/news/what-was-the-winter-war

  Although that war ended in a treaty which allowed Russia to gobble some Finnish territory, it also produced the deadliest sniper ever!  Simo Hayha a Finnish farmer, is credited with over 500 kills.
    https://allthatsinteresting.com/simo-hayha

  More questions..After re-gobbling Georgia, Chechnya, Kazakhstan, eastern Ukraine and the Crimea, it seems patently obvious that Putin is seeking to reconstitute the old USSR.   
Should we wait until he has assimilated those independent states and their  wealth, agriculture and manufacturing, before we confront him?

    Finland is a portion of the Nordic countries, if he takes Finland, is he then entitled to take Norway, Sweden and Denmark?

  He is also threatening to re-gobble the Baltic states..Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania...is he entitled to them?

  Then of course, if he is allowed to consume Ukraine, is he then entitled to the Slavic states?

  This may work well for the globalists, who don't like sovereign states anyway, but is it what the
 world should welcome?

  Of course, if the world sits by for Putin plundering, what will the Chinese communists be inclined to do in the east?

  BTW:  Another historical quote from another well indoctrinated communist;

  “You probe with bayonets: if you find mush, you push. If you find steel, you withdraw”

― Vladimir Ilich Lenin
   

[BUGEYE]

I'm of the school that does NOT like bullies and that's what Putin is.
Bring all those countries into NATO and show a united front.

[VA Rifleman]

IG “He is also threatening to re-gobble the Baltic states..Latvia, Estinia and Lithuania...is he entitled to them?”

One assessment might conclude that any previously USSR state or Warsaw Pact state, now European oriented is a threat to Russia, so must be occupied.

Buchanan commentary good from the NATO risk / reward perspective.

Sweden has pics of a Russian plane flying a nuke over their air space. A clear warning of sorts as the Russian pilot lifted a wing showing the armament.

Finland and Sweden had minimal interest in joining NATO till the Ukrainian invasion.

[ironglow]

IG “He is also threatening to re-gobble the Baltic states..Latvia, Estinia and Lithuania...is he entitled to them?”

One assessment might conclude that any previously USSR state or Warsaw Pact state, now European oriented is a threat to Russia, so must be occupied.
    ..But they have been free and independent states for nearly 30 years now, nearly as long as they were under the communist thumb..is he either right or entitled to take them back by force?

Buchanan commentary good from the NATO risk / reward perspective.

Sweden has pics of a Russian plane flying a nuke over their air space. A clear warning of sorts as the Russian pilot lifted a wing showing the armament.
  Is he perhaps.."Plunging the bayonet in"..to see if he meets MUSH or STEEL ?

Finland and Sweden had minimal interest in joining NATO till the Ukrainian invasion.

  So, now don't they have GOOD REASON to want to join..that sounds like a natural reaction?  Is it not surprising that they have basked in NATO protection without the cost, but now realize that actual membership maybe required if they are to survive ?

   Much to consider...

[Dee]

IG “He is also threatening to re-gobble the Baltic states..Latvia, Estinia and Lithuania...is he entitled to them?”

One assessment might conclude that any previously USSR state or Warsaw Pact state, now European oriented is a threat to Russia, so must be occupied.

Buchanan commentary good from the NATO risk / reward perspective.

Sweden has pics of a Russian plane flying a nuke over their air space. A clear warning of sorts as the Russian pilot lifted a wing showing the armament.

Finland and Sweden had minimal interest in joining NATO till the Ukrainian invasion.

Good points, but Europe needs to stand up for Europe. If they are concerned about their own safety  THEY  need to do the heavy lifting. THEY need to send in "EUROPEAN" NATO troops. America needs to align with them, but EUROPE needs to step up.

[ironglow]

IG..
You keep saying Russia just reabsorbed Kazakhstan back into the Federation.  I'm not getting that_ _ do you have a link on that?

Btw, I think you need more historical research on the Russo-Finnish War. At great cost the Russians actually won, and a armistice peace treaty signed with Finland seceding territory.
A good source on that conflict and its politics is actually Wikipedia.  Look it up.
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  Kazakhstan declared it's independence from the USSR on December 16, 1991.  They have been an independent nation for over 30 years now.
  The dictatorial leader of Kazakhstan started having problems with unhappy citizens, and demonstrations erupted...as they did here last January 6th.

  Instead of recognizing that Kazakhstan is an independent country, Putin decided to interfere and keep his now beholden puppet in power.
  By that measure, what foreign power deserved to interfere in the Jan 6 disturbance?

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB943lG8YRQ

[ironglow]

  From TM7;
  " Btw, I think you need more historical research on the Russo-Finnish War. At great cost the Russians actually won, and a armistice peace treaty signed with Finland seceding territory.
A good source on that conflict and its politics is actually Wikipedia.  Look it up."
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   Actually, I posted a good link to that conflict, back in reply #1, and I said the Russians prevailed and the Finns ceded some territory.  I even sourced the History Channel, which some prefer over Wiki..

  https://www.history.com/news/what-was-the-winter-war

   Judging from the History channel's article, it sounds like a preview of their Ukraine adventure;

 "For the Soviets, meanwhile, victory came at a heavy cost. During just three months of fighting, their forces suffered over 300,000 casualties compared to around 65,000 for the Finns."

  ...But then, what did a plethora of casualties ever mean to a Russian autocrat?

[BUGEYE]

  Europe needs to stand up for Europe. If they are concerned about their own safety  THEY  need to do the heavy lifting. THEY need to send in "EUROPEAN" NATO troops. America needs to align with them, but EUROPE needs to step up.

^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^

[Dee]

IG....

Actually Kazakhstan was having s color revolution problems caused by 3rd party interventionists. The president asked Russian to intervene and expell the imported revolutionaries.  Putin obliged and put down the foreign interlopers. While there the Russians shut down US-DoD biolabs operating in Kazakhstan.  I believe they found information in those labs that convinced them they had to go into Ukraine.  They left Kazakhstan and did not annex it, as you imply.

Right about Finland,  and now it looks like interventionists are going to start that mess over again.
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Which in your mind, justifies Russia invading the Ukraine and slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians. A broken record you play non stop that invades every discussion. 

[Dee]

"Which in your mind, justifies Russia invading the Ukraine and slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians. A broken record you play non stop that invades every discussion.  "

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I didn't mention Ukraine; was talking about Finland.....you just mentioned Ukraine!
You're the broken record, bud.
Following me around trying to cancel my posts.

And if you don't know by now the issues Russia had with Ukraine-NATO and interventionist, then you're dumber then you sound and just as corrupt as anybody in the Biden crime family and Regime.
And if you're too damn lazy and jaded to look into who's doing the killing in Ukraine and who's prolonging the conflict, then don't count yourself as one of the Easter People....just stay reprobate.
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Well "bud", I was talking about your one track mind constantly babbling Russia, Russia, Russia,. Poor misunderstood, picked on Russia.
Your so "infatuated" with Russia, and defending that pos Putin you inject it into everything.

And BTW, that was a splendid string of insults, which were the only things cognitive in your short, but bitter rant.

In YOUR MIND, your the only GBO member that understands, and has any insight, or knowledge, concerning Russian intent, and Putins' butchery in Ukraine, or in history for that matter.

Your delusional in that regard. It's apparent to everyone but one or two.

BTW,  Why don't you move to Russia? Its where you need to be.

[Bob Smith]

Amen to that, Dee.