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Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« on: April 21, 2022, 01:08:08 AM »
  We know there are small numbers of British, American, French and other troops as foreign operators, fighting in the Ukraine.
   Now for the question..  Which country has the most troops fighting there as foreign combatants ?

  Not hard to figure out...IT'S RUSSIA!

  There are at any given time, between 100,000 and 190,000 Russians fighting there in the Ukrainian homeland.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60158694

  Sop far as "mercenaries"..that is hard to isolate.  A mercenary is one who fights for pay, often times good pay!  Many of the Americans, Brits, French etc..are strictly volunteers, w/o pay.

   Perhaps then the Russian troops are the true mercenaries..assuming they are being paid...
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2022, 03:04:41 AM »
  We know there are small numbers of British, American, French and other troops as foreign operators, fighting in the Ukraine.
   Now for the question..  Which country has the most troops fighting there as foreign combatants ?

  Not hard to figure out...IT'S RUSSIA!

  There are at any given time, between 100,000 and 190,000 Russians fighting there in the Ukrainian homeland.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60158694

  Sop far as "mercenaries"..that is hard to isolate.  A mercenary is one who fights for pay, often times good pay!  Many of the Americans, Brits, French etc..are strictly volunteers, w/o pay.

   Perhaps then the Russian troops are the true mercenaries..assuming they are being paid...
First, that was from Feb, and the numbers are not for mercs, but soldiers that Russia was positioning for the invasion.  Russia, and us, do use mercs, but far less of them.  Currently it is estimated between 16k and 20k.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/19/russia-deployed-20000-mercenaries-ukraine-donbas-region

Ukraine also tried, and failed, to use a fake company to lure some mercs who may have been suspected of war "crimes" back to Ukraine for prosecution but were thwarted by Belarus thinking they were there to cause them trouble.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/europe/ukraine-belarus-russia-mercenaries-sting/index.html
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2022, 08:11:48 AM »
Sadly, Soldier of Fortune Magazine is no longer around but in that magazine you got true stories of what they did, where and why.
It also covered covert units operations.

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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2022, 08:30:54 AM »
  100K of troops, 15K oftrops or just 10 troops..makes no difference.
  Obviously, Russia has no business in Ukraine.  Ukraine did not provoke the war by attacking Russia.

  Thus, Russia is invading Ukraine, and likely paying military personnel to do their bidding..

  They did the sme in 2014 (Crimea)and the world remained virtually silent, but this time the Ukrainian people spoke back..with hardware!  Not so hard for the world to ignore.

   Call it what you will, but since it is an uncalled for and illegal invasion, they are mercenaries.
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2022, 08:50:06 AM »
  100K of troops, 15K oftrops or just 10 troops..makes no difference.
  Obviously, Russia has no business in Ukraine.  Ukraine did not provoke the war by attacking Russia.

  Thus, Russia is invading Ukraine, and likely paying military personnel to do their bidding..

  They did the sme in 2014 (Crimea)and the world remained virtually silent, but this time the Ukrainian people spoke back..with hardware!  Not so hard for the world to ignore.

   Call it what you will, but since it is an uncalled for and illegal invasion, they are mercenaries.

With that definition, then so were United States troops in Iraq. Another war based on lies.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2022, 07:39:36 AM »
humans are free website LMAO How the hell do you even find these crack pot websites?? get a life!!
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2022, 07:55:08 AM »
humans are free website LMAO How the hell do you even find these crack pot websites?? get a life!!
This.  It astounds me that in one breath some people will decry US propaganda, and in the next embrace Russian propaganda.
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2022, 08:24:40 AM »
The crap, crime, and corruption going on in Ukraine makes Saddam's Iracq look like boy scouts.
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I doubt the 4550 military families, or the 3793 military contractors families agree with your description.
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2022, 08:29:24 AM »
humans are free website LMAO How the hell do you even find these crack pot websites?? get a life!!
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Only a complete itjit fool would think the US and Euro Globalist are not carrying out this proxy Uk war against Russia, and will gladly sacrifice Ukraine. Especially after all we Americans have been put thru by the same Globalist carrying on a soft war here. These fools and itjits amount to willfully ignorant traitors.
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So anybody THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU, is either a "fool" an "itjit", or "a willfully ignorant traitor"?

OKAY! I'm good with that.
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2022, 08:46:25 AM »
I still dont know why you want to live in a country like this. Cant understand why you dont move to russia or china or some other commy country that believes like you.  I do know though why you didnt serve your country ::)
humans are free website LMAO How the hell do you even find these crack pot websites?? get a life!!
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Only a complete itjit fool would think the US and Euro Globalist are not carrying out this proxy Uk war against Russia, and will gladly sacrifice Ukraine. Especially after all we Americans have been put thru by the same Globalist carrying on a soft war here. These fools and itjits amount to willfully ignorant traitors.
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2022, 08:47:24 AM »
The website actually says a french journalist, the singular, not the plural. This is how stories grow in the retelling.

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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2022, 08:48:18 AM »
In truth dee we both know the real truth. Anyone who does believe like him is a wacko communist. Not even a sane communist. One that was dropped by his mother as a baby. 
humans are free website LMAO How the hell do you even find these crack pot websites?? get a life!!
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Only a complete itjit fool would think the US and Euro Globalist are not carrying out this proxy Uk war against Russia, and will gladly sacrifice Ukraine. Especially after all we Americans have been put thru by the same Globalist carrying on a soft war here. These fools and itjits amount to willfully ignorant traitors.
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So anybody THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU, is either a "fool" an "itjit", or "a willfully ignorant traitor"?

OKAY! I'm good with that.
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2022, 08:48:28 AM »
And since the Russians have not been coy in parading the two captures British marines, where is that high ranking NATO officer whose capture was so eagerly CONFIRMED?

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2022, 08:55:12 AM »
truth is anyone that can write and make crap up can be a journalist. Doesnt take any real knowledge or intelligence. Proof of that is on tv any day you choose to watch cnn or nbc or yup even the crack pot conspirisy theroy web sites where the real dumb ones go because no real news site would pay them. A journalist is just a job. There main goal is to make money and thankfully for them theres enough wackos and gullible people like you know who to visit there websites so they can sell advertisements on them and make at least a few dollars. There to me right up there with porn sites. They attract about the same type of person. 
The website actually says a french journalist, the singular, not the plural. This is how stories grow in the retelling.
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2022, 08:59:14 AM »
kind of comical to me that someone that didnt have a big enough set to serve and put his ass on the line feels he has a right to judge the brave men over there going into combat everyday and risking there lives for family and country. Some that are doing it that dont even live there or have family. Brave enough to risk there lives to stop communism and war criminals like putin. Ill bet one thing. Not one of them looses a bit of sleep over what tm7 posts. Most likely if they looked at this site theyd just laugh at him like the rest of us. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2022, 09:03:51 AM »
If Putin had aimed this war at the Donbas, which is where the problem has been for a long, long time, it would be viewed differently, though Putin would still be looked at as worse than Zelensky as Biden has been verbally flatulating about Putin since he was elected.

The obtuse, obscene, way Putin has run this war is the only reason Zelensky is not being viewed as the piece of fecal debris he still is now.

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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2022, 09:16:14 AM »
Yeah, Dee, after we/NATO invaded Iracq on phony intel, they met resistance. Duh! Up to that time Iracq carried on nothing like the dirty crap we see going on in Ukraine. Not even close. This proxy war is cover-up for fake President Biden's crime family hub in UK. You so-called patriots now glady run cover for these crimes and fake president. Doesn't get more reprobate than that.

I can't understand why Dee, Lloyd, Bob aren't over in Ukraine area helping with humanitarian efforts at least. I wonder how many dollars they have contributed for Uk relief?
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I think anybody payin attention (which you're obviously not) has read many times where I've said we should stay out ot the Ukrainian war with Russia.
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2022, 09:30:30 AM »
I can't understand why Dee, Lloyd, Bob aren't over in Ukraine area helping with humanitarian efforts at least. I wonder how many dollars they have contributed for Uk relief?
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2022, 11:56:13 AM »
TM7, UK is universally the abbreviation for United Kingdom aka England and other parts of the island nation. NOT for Ukraine. How about stopping using it wrong.


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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2022, 12:48:26 PM »
TM7, UK is universally the abbreviation for United Kingdom aka England and other parts of the island nation. NOT for Ukraine. How about stopping using it wrong.

He's using a small k with his big U. It speeds the teaching process up for him. 8)
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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2022, 01:05:07 PM »
TM7, UK is universally the abbreviation for United Kingdom aka England and other parts of the island nation. NOT for Ukraine. How about stopping using it wrong.
You did not understand what he meant?

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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2022, 03:30:30 PM »
After seeing it used a couple times I did. But UK meaning United Kingdom is so ingrained in my head I confess I did not the first couple of times and it to my sensibilities just seems wrong.

It's kinda up there with calling Biden Joebama. Bama is the nickname for my home state of Alabama and it admittedly offends me when folks use Bama or in the above case Joebama for him or the original Obama.

How much trouble can it be to add the O?


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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2022, 03:34:58 PM »
I have made the bama mistake and misunderstanding. Point taken...

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2022, 11:42:05 PM »
i contribute every time I pay taxes. IF YOU pay taxes so do you.
Yeah, Dee, after we/NATO invaded Iracq on phony intel, they met resistance. Duh! Up to that time Iracq carried on nothing like the dirty crap we see going on in Ukraine. Not even close. This proxy war is cover-up for fake President Biden's crime family hub in UK. You so-called patriots now glady run cover for these crimes and fake president. Doesn't get more reprobate than that.

I can't understand why Dee, Lloyd, Bob aren't over in Ukraine area helping with humanitarian efforts at least. I wonder how many dollars they have contributed for Uk relief?
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2022, 11:47:44 PM »
As long as theres nut cases like you in this country ill keep my guns thank you.  ;) Heck you never know. The aliens that have gotten into your brain might come for me. After all i not only wont wear a mask but i wont wear a tin foil hat either.
Yeah, maybe they can have a bake sale down at The Lodge, and send the funds to Zelenskyy.
Lloyd could sell a couple dozen guns which could feed a number of Uk orphans.
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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2022, 01:55:58 AM »
The two letter abbreviation for Ukraine is UA.
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Re: Foreign mercenaries in Ukraine..
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2022, 03:17:59 AM »
   Just my two pennies..  Personally, I wish we could discuss the issues surrounding this case without  rancor and accusations.

       As I see it, the situation is clear.  Perhaps you don't agree, but if you use rational explanations and evidence, perhaps more  will understand.

   Here is how I see it;

  1) As the USSR sputtered out in the early 1990s, the numerous client states saw their chance to escape the gulag ridden empire. Thus, most of them chose freedom and independence.  The map of the USSR changed post haste, by shrinking greatly back to the old Russian borders.
   
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3992775

  2) Each of the east European states progressed very well, elevating their economies and enjoying
   their new found freedom.

  3) As in Russia and some client states, there are some who for whatever reasons, are longing nostalgic for the "good old days", when their lives were ordered for them, by the central planning committee.

  4) One who longed for this, was a man being trained and indoctrinated by the KGB.  Vladimir Putin
 was driven by the idea of reconstructing the USSR.  Missing the old "glory days", he set about to execute his plan.

 5) Evidence of Putin's compulsion?  Kazakhstan, Crimea, Donets and warnings against the Baltic nations against joining NATO..  He has already made Belorussia a fresh client state.

  6) Obama encouraged Putin by caving to his demnds, by removing defensive missiles from NSTO member, Poland.. and rewarding Iran's ayatollahs for their abhorrent behavior. 

  7) When we elected Pres Trump...that put a crimp in Putin's reconstrution plans, an dhe was very quiescent during Trump's tenure.  Then came the robbed election that placed a demented old man in the oval office.

   8) Obviously, Putin watched closely, in order to assess his chances...and when he saw that Biden was once more trying to reward Iran, he was encouraged.  ..But the desertion of so many people and so much military equipment in Afghanistan..clinched his decision..

      Still, any real conflict if troops are needed, Europe is the one who should reach out to the Ukraine.

  OK..now hurl your brick bats !
   
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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2022, 03:38:26 AM »
Putin no doubt is the aggressor. Putin started the war by invading a sovereign country.  The Ukraine may, or may not have been experimenting with "biological weapons". On the other hand, who isn't.

If Putin successfully takes Ukraine, he now has NATO countries directly on his borders.  What's he gonna do with that newest issue?

As to who should do the heavy lifting in this Russia/Ukrainian war, it should without a doubt be Europe. Let Europe defend Europe.

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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2022, 07:45:30 AM »
Yes, but I didn't type UK. ( both letters capitalized)
I typed Uk.

I have seen Uk as abbreviation for Ukraine.
AFAIK, Uk is correct.
Only if you use a period but nowadays, correct grammar is about as common as a honest politician.

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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2022, 08:24:47 AM »
Ukraine claiming they have killed another couple of Russian generals, but it has not been CONFIRMED, capitals are so important.