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Battle for the Donbas
« on: April 24, 2022, 04:20:07 AM »
Good article how sentiment has changed over time in the separatists held areas.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/22/reporters-notebook-how-donbas-evolved-under-separatists
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2022, 04:27:41 AM »
Different ground in the East.

https://dnyuz.com/2022/04/16/putins-ukraine-gamble-pivots-to-a-very-different-battlefield/

Ukrainian interior minister says it’s like fighting in Kansas with nowhere to hide. Conventual wisdom says Russki advantage.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2022, 04:40:04 AM »
https://t.me/s/intelslava

Here is a pro Russian page.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2022, 03:02:05 PM »
https://t.me/s/intelslava

Here is a pro Russian page.

All is good on the Russian front. Not being sarcastic or combative, just the general takeaway from the site.

If any interest, an article on the perpetual uneasy relationship between the Russian State and Army.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1493968165717561346.html
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2022, 02:29:24 AM »
https://t.me/s/intelslava

Here is a pro Russian page.

All is good on the Russian front. Not being sarcastic or combative, just the general takeaway from the site.

If any interest, an article on the perpetual uneasy relationship between the Russian State and Army.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1493968165717561346.html

  The link goes to show how there seems to be something inthe Russian character that allows for the liquidation of any people who stand in the way of the idealogues. 
  From 1936-1938, Stalin purged the Soviet Army and the Communist Party.  It is estimated by many historians, that 750,000 persons died at Stalin's whim.
  Should we then be surprised when we hear of such executions?

   I wonder if this cruelty hearkens back to the fact that Russia was established by Viking berserkers..?
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2022, 05:14:30 AM »
Va-Rifleman...

Do you have any information on the 'ampule bomb'?

Negative.

You asked twice about Poseidon. Doomsday weapons. Guessing at least two are aimed at Norfolk. Maybe the mother sub gets a Mk 48 up the prop.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2022, 06:08:47 AM »
Was wondering about the trigger. Maybe it’s as simple as nav to Norfolk and blow up. Underwater com is hard and limited distance. Could have a antenna on a buoy. IDK.

They seem semi dangerous to the user but that’s sort of a Russian tradition. (Automated nuke plant with min shielding)
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2022, 07:16:46 AM »
Ukrainian lightening?

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/17-dead-russian-military-research-facility-fire-week-84293130

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/russias-biggest-chemical-plant-burns-down-second-mystery-fire/

https://www.rt.com/russia/554454-oil-depot-on-fire/

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Russian general announced plans to occupy the Transnistria region of Moldova on Friday.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/russia-general-announces-plan-to-invade-moldova-after-ukraine/

Today...Explosions reported in Tiraspol, which is located in Moldova’s breakaway region of Transnistria.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2022, 01:29:52 PM »
Ukraine has received tanks from all the former eastern block communist countries.  They now have more tanks than Russia.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2022, 02:45:22 PM »
Yeah, people, even Biden's people are starting to wonder just where all the war supplies and cash is going in Ukr. Nobody knows or keeps track _ _ typical DoD accounting practices..... just bill the taxpayers and print more fiat.

Meanwhile, the Russians are claiming they captured 3 huge warehouse complexes chuck full of war toys and munitions...... enough for 3 wars they said.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2022, 06:36:59 PM »
Ukraine has received tanks from all the former eastern block communist countries.  They now have more tanks than Russia.

Seen that as well.  Good to see many of the ex Warsaw pack states like Poland, Czechoslovakia and Slovakia step up. Don’t know if numbers are delivered or promised.

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From a map, if the Ruskies can similtainouusly attack from the north and south, it’s curtains for the eastern Ukrainian army.

Almost like the Battle for the Bulge in reverse. The defenders are in a salient. In the middle is Dnipro which like Bastogne has all roads leading to it while the defenders hope for bad weather to limit Ruskie air.

So far, the Ukrainians have vastly out performed expectations. Their opponent encompasses one-eighth of Earth's inhabitable landmass while rolling across the border into a country smaller then Texas.

IDK. Ukrainian’s defending open ground with Ruskies having control of the air and long range fires. Can’t be good.

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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2022, 01:01:37 AM »
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   Fron VA Rifleman"
       " Seen that as well.  Good to see many of the ex Warsaw pack states like Poland, Czechoslovakia and Slovakia step up. Don’t know if numbers are delivered or promised."
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   No surprise here..that Russia ius planning to take over a number of soveriegn nations..

     https://www.nationalreview.com/news/russia-general-announces-plan-to-invade-moldova-after-ukraine/

..And those very Warsaw pact nations who suffered so long under the yoke of tyrants imposed on them by the USSR...are vehemently opposed to Russia taking them over again..

   Keep in mind, they understand Putin and Russia, far better than we do..
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2022, 05:09:13 AM »

When Reagan convinced Gorboshov to remove the Berlin wall and facilitate re-unification of Germany the Minsk Agreement was signed which limited NATO-OTAN membership to 12 countries, and Warsaw Pact countries were to become neutral.

No text limiting NATO membership to 12 countries can be found in the signed Minsk agreement. Misunderstanding comes from James Baker speaking about East Germany.

https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2014/07/01/nato-enlargement-and-russia-myths-and-realities/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

Encourage others to do their own research. If in disagreement, please show pertinent text from agreement.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2022, 08:23:41 AM »
When you're  dealing with a mindless, cold blooded maniac like Putin, what difference  does any agreement make?  There is only one action to remedy this tragic  mess and that is to take Putin out with whatever means necessary.  Of course there might be retaliation.  All the better as long as they do a three for one (Brandon, Camalaw & Pullousy).
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2022, 04:54:43 AM »
TM7. Well written response. Agree with some.

Wording from the 1st link summarizes my point. “there have never been political or legally binding commitments of the West not to extend NATO beyond the borders of a reunified Germany”.

A possible clue as to why this was not addressed.

Quote from link.
“In July 1990, the issue (NATO Expansion) was never raised. As former Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze later put it, the idea of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact dissolving and NATO taking in former Warsaw Pact members was beyond the imagination of the protagonists at the time”

As I’ve said before, not totally unsympathetic to some of Putin’s concerns. Just the way he is going about them.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2022, 03:49:14 PM »
Team Russia published a map showing what could be their new end game. (Attached)

Neuters Ukraine as a prosperous industrial country. All the coal, all the iron, every port, every shipyard (the Moskva was built in Ukraine) and all the offshore oil and gas.

Can’t see even a battered and downcast Ukraine agreeing to such. Russia’s only path would be pressuring Ukrainian supporters to push this deal.

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The author of this article makes the case for a Ukrainian southern offensive.

https://realcontextnews.com/how-ukraine-can-take-back-crimea-from-putins-reeling-russian-military/

Strike the Kerch Strait Bridge and push towards Crimea.

Russian plan for Ukraine.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2022, 04:41:56 PM »
If Putin and what ever flunkies are keeping him in power try that, it will be a long, long full scale war.

I have a feeling Putin days on top are going to be shorter than that war would be; Russian leader (Lenin/Stalin style )have no problem killing Russian leaders.
Now Puting may just die so some other god wannabe could take over.

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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2022, 04:46:22 PM »
If Putin and what ever flunkies are keeping him in power try that, it will be a long, long full scale war.

I have a feeling Putin days on top are going to be shorter than that war would be; Russian leader (Lenin/Stalin style )have no problem killing Russian leaders.
Now Puting may just die so some other god wannabe could take over.
And what leader would be in position to topple him?  Maybe he is a Lenin/Stalin styled leader and those around him don't want to antagonize him.  And if brain dead were to call for his downfall, as he already eluded to and walked back, it will not be good in the public eye.  No, I think it must be the Russian people that call for regime change, because if an outsider were to do it, the people would protect him.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2022, 04:55:51 PM »
Russian dicators killed thousands of Russian soldiers, especially the leaders; current Russian military leader know that, and may strike for their own good.

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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2022, 05:12:37 AM »
I doubt Putin is going to be out of work.
In fact, since much of the truth or perceptions have reached Russian people about Zelenskyy, Burisma Biden, bio-labs, neo-Nazies, NATO meddling, child trafficking, war crimes, etc. Putin's popularity has soared.

And when you review assessments of the war by those analysts outside the beltway official narrative, the ground war is going very well for the Russian army.

Truth reaching Russian people?
Russia cut off external internet sources and tells the populace what the State wants them to hear.

Ground war going well according to outside analysts? Well. A month back Ritter said the war was all ready won while Col. MacGregor predicted Ukrainian resistance would be overcome by March 9th.

Seem somewhat behind schedule.
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2022, 03:22:36 AM »
Thinking if the Russki’s really believe the war is going so well, there wouldn’t be all the talk from Russian news anchors and others about having to go nuclear. Seems contradictory.

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Interview with Ukrainian vet on the Donbas front. He’s relaxed with a absence of hyperbole. A couple snippets.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1519270060900106240.html

"Chechen soldiers? Ha We call them TikTok soldiers. They're always filming. We found one who was wounded and trying not to fight but take a selfie."

"Their job is not to fight but to shoot Russian boy conscripts who don't want to fight. It's Soviet tactics”.

“What has shocked me is the callousness of Russia soldiers to their own men.”

He shows me a photo taken from a drone of soldiers eating lunch in a ruined house near several bodies lying in the dirt.

“They’re eating 20 meters from the decomposing bodies of their comrades. They just drop the bodies of their friends into trenches. Sometimes they don’t even bother to cover them

We found a grave of 15 bodies a while back. They’d thrown bit of dirt on them but that it was it. They don't even respect to the lives of their own comrades. Incredible."

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Article from Euromaiden (Ukrainian). Russkies in occupied areas grabbing guys up to 65 off the street for cannon fodder.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/04/28/forced-conscription-how-russia-wipes-out-the-male-population-of-occupied-donbas/
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2022, 03:18:11 AM »
TM7. Some of the Russkie propaganda is as poor as their conscripts morale. The original video has no bag of coke on Zelenskiy‘s desk till the Russian photoshopped version appeared afterwards. I assume you know this.

See you’ve changed your stance to my position of the Russkie's having to occupy Ukraine. Land grab it is.

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Aljazeera reporting on the southern Ukrainian front and it’s importance.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/27/will-putin-succeed-in-seizing-southwestern-ukraine

The aljazeera article mentions the same battle, with the same results, as reported by the Ukrainian vet.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2022, 04:19:04 AM »

“the majority of the world's nations have sided with Russia giving them ‘casus beli' in the case for entering Ukraine. That would be about 155 nations out of 190 in agreement with Russia in context”
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As to the invasion, the UN seems to think different. 141 to 5.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/un-resolution-ukraine-how-did-middle-east-vote

“In response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, an emergency special session of the UN General Assembly was called on March 2. During the session, members voted overwhelmingly (141-5) to pass a resolution denouncing the invasion and demanding that Moscow withdraw its military presence. Thirteen countries in the Middle East and North Africa voted in support of the measure, one voted against it, four abstained, and one did not vote”.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2022, 06:57:21 AM »
What deluded world do you live in, Timmy? Russia, Belarus, China…

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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2022, 02:16:52 AM »
  One thing we should perhaps consider;

  Even though some of the same countries and leaders who are sending arms to the Ukraine, are sold out to the NWO, that by no means indicates that Putin is automatically, a "good guy" !
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2022, 03:01:20 AM »
Hey, thanks for pointing out the obvious. Again...

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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2022, 12:24:35 PM »
Looting the Ukraine.

Russians finally find something they are good at.

Ukraine’s deputy agriculture minister. “Russian forces have stolen several hundred thousand tonnes of grain in the areas of Ukraine they occupy”

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/3472183-russians-already-stolen-several-hundred-thousand-tonnes-of-ukrainian-grain-agrarian-policy-ministry.html


Grain trucks marked with a Z convoy back to Crimea with looted grain.
https://mobile.twitter.com/olgak2013/status/1520711338674339840


“Russian occupiers are taking Ukrainian agricultural equipment from the #Donbas across border to #Russia. This is yet another way in which Russia destroys #Ukraine's economy and aims to deprive Ukrainian civilians of means of agricultural production and food itself”.
https://mobile.twitter.com/olgak2013/status/1520711338674339840


Russians steal $5 million worth of equipment from Melitopol John Deere dealership.

Dealership remotely disables.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/europe/russia-farm-vehicles-ukraine-disabled-melitopol-intl/index.html

Most likely, the owners were Nazi’s who needed to be punished.
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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2022, 01:26:10 PM »
Pro looting it is. Did the previous “captured” Gen escape or is he awaiting trail. Haven’t heard much.
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Re: Battle for the Donbas
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2022, 01:46:08 PM »
I heard he was doing porn vids with zalensky... You have inside information?
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