Now it is Moldova's turn..

[ironglow]

.
  Moldova's turn to be attacked by Russian forces..  ..Should be a pushover, since Moldova has no standing army..
   
     https://news.yahoo.com/moldova-warns-effort-create-pretexts-185225668.html

  ..And in keeping with their usual mode of operation, Russia has already posted their agents in country. and are trying to recruit malcontents..to fight against their own country.

   https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/moldova-accuses-russian-army-trying-recruit-its-citizens-2626556

[VA Rifleman]

Couple months back, the Belarusian President showed a battle map with a line of advance into Moldova.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/moldova-next-target-belarus-presidents-battle-map-pic-raises-questions-2798840


Sergey Markov, Putin’s close adviser and political scientist, via a Facebook post.

“A military attack on Transnistria should begin in the near future. The Romanian army is already deployed in Moldova. Group expansion is underway. Soon there will be military provocations and then an attack. Romania with the support of NATO and with the participation of the Ukrainian army plans to seize Transnestria and carry out mass political repression against all supporters of Russia. This will put Russia in a very difficult position.

Moldova must have more Nazi’s that need to be punished. See attachment.

[Dixie-Dude]

82% of Moldovan's speak Romanian.  Russia has their plants, but they are not Russian.  They have more in common with Romania. 

[Dee]

Well, after Russia gets done blowing all those vineyards ta hell, everybody can kiss that bit of history goodbye.

[Mule 11]

I heard it was Trumps fault

[ironglow]

  Using esoteric terms won't change facts..Transnistria is STILL Moldova.. 

   Like the US  crossing the Canadian border in force, then trying to pretend they are not invading Canada, ...just Alberta!

  Perhaps we could also use the excuse that there are a lot of "English speakers" in Alberta!
   Nearly 100% English speakers..Surely that gives us some kind of special right to invade..  

   Shucks, then we could discover a lot of English speakers in Manitoba...and who knows, maybe we could enlarge Alaska to include the Yukon!  Launching from Alaska as well, we could hit the Yukon from both sides..

[ironglow]

From TM;
" Israel does it all the time. It's how they expand.
The US and NATO does it all the time: in Yugoslavia, in Kosovo, in Lybia, in Somalia, in Syria,  in Yemen...... anywhere they want. They supported Mujahideen in Afghanistan against Russians which came back to bite us in the arse".
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
  So, when did Israel venture forth, invade a country, conquer land and then keep it?  Of course, if somebody invades them and gets their butts kicked, then they may have to forfeit something!

    Yes..there was a time when several nations ganged up to fight Israel and attacked.  Well they hgot "butt hurt" too, so Syria had to forfeit the Golan heights..from where they attacked Israel.
   
   Actually, Israel has a history of giving back far more than they keep.  The Sinai penninsula is a fair piece of real estate...
  Then they handed over the Gaza strip..on solemn promises of "peace"..but we already know how that has turned out!

  So suppose one of those surrounding, hostile countries invades and conquers a large chunk of Israel (which will never happen)...  do you really think they woud hand any and all conquered territory back?

[Dixie-Dude]

The Soviet Union planted Russians in various areas to try to hold the union together.  After WWII, Russia moved out all the Germans in East Prussia to East Germany.  They then moved in a bunch of Russians.  Same with Moldova and the Ukraine.  However, when interviewed, many of these Russian transplants speak two languages, and do not want to be part of Russia.  Russia sent pro-Russian plants into these areas to stir up trouble.  Same as what Hitler did in Austria and Sudetenland of the now Czech Republic.  Hitler was able to take Austria and the Czechoslovikia without firing a shot.  He also tried this with the Danzig corridor in Poland, but the Poles didn't budge and thus WWII started.  Russia is trying the same tactics.  If Russia wants these people back, give them a chance to move back to Russia if they want to, not invade to take territory.  However, most of these countries have a higher standard of living than Russia, and the Russian speaking people do not want to move back to Russia. 

As far as Ukraine, during the 1920's, Stalin killed about 10 million Ukrainians because they didn't meet the wheat production quotas.  They moved in Russians to run Ukraine and moved them into the coal region in eastern Ukraine to mine the coal for Russia.  They took it.  The Tzar was more benevolent to the Ukrainians.  The communists were not.  My wife's family moved here from the Ukraine early in the 20th century.  They hate the Russians.  They kept in touch with relatives after WWII and sent them money all the time because the communists kept the system where everyone was poor, until the fall of the Soviet Union. 

[Dee]

The Soviet Union planted Russians in various areas to try to hold the union together.  After WWII, Russia moved out all the Germans in East Prussia to East Germany.  They then moved in a bunch of Russians.  Same with Moldova and the Ukraine.  However, when interviewed, many of these Russian transplants speak two languages, and do not want to be part of Russia.  Russia sent pro-Russian plants into these areas to stir up trouble.  Same as what Hitler did in Austria and Sudetenland of the now Czech Republic.  Hitler was able to take Austria and the Czechoslovikia without firing a shot.  He also tried this with the Danzig corridor in Poland, but the Poles didn't budge and thus WWII started.  Russia is trying the same tactics.  If Russia wants these people back, give them a chance to move back to Russia if they want to, not invade to take territory.  However, most of these countries have a higher standard of living than Russia, and the Russian speaking people do not want to move back to Russia. 

As far as Ukraine, during the 1920's, Stalin killed about 10 million Ukrainians because they didn't meet the wheat production quotas.  They moved in Russians to run Ukraine and moved them into the coal region in eastern Ukraine to mine the coal for Russia.  They took it.  The Tzar was more benevolent to the Ukrainians.  The communists were not.  My wife's family moved here from the Ukraine early in the 20th century.  They hate the Russians.  They kept in touch with relatives after WWII and sent them money all the time because the communists kept the system where everyone was poor, until the fall of the Soviet Union.

Makes sense to me.

[ironglow]

  Those Ukraine farmers who were liquidated in the 1920s, didn't make their quotas, because socilism/communism seized their farms..and turned them into collective farms.

  As with any socialism, the farmers were not used to farming in such a backward way.  Plus, the impulse to succeed is destroyed, so they couldn't make their quotas..

[ironglow]

...How much more intelligent it would have been, had Biden moved that $85 billion in armamnets to the Ukraine, rather than to leave them with the Taliban..

  ..But of course, we should not expect any intelligent moves from old Dummkopf..

[Mule 11]

...How much more intelligent it would have been, had Biden moved that $85 billion in armamnets to the Ukraine, rather than to leave them with the Taliban..

  ..But of course, we should not expect any intelligent moves from old Dummkopf..

First he was paying off China.
Giving that armament to Ukraine would just cause a lot more suffering and death which is what everyone is crowing about...

[Dee]

Freedom ain't free. I would hope that were the united states invaded as has been the Ukraine, that Americans would fight as hard as the Ukrainian people have.
But I'm doubtful.
Perhaps the Ukraine is Europe's Alamo. They fought until they were totally over ran. Then they were executed,  but they bought others time to regroup.
I hope Ukraine prevails, and Putin winds up hiding in a ditch.

[ironglow]

Freedom ain't free. I would hope that were the united states invaded as has been the Ukraine, that Americans would fight as hard as the Ukrainian people have.
But I'm doubtful.
Perhaps the Ukraine is Europe's Alamo. They fought until they were totally over ran. Then they were executed,  but they bought others time to regroup.
I hope Ukraine prevails, and Putin winds up hiding in a ditch.

  ^^^THAT DITTO^^^

[Mule 11]

Well that freedom isn’t costing us roosters anything right now as far as death and suffering now is it? Just like money death is easier spent when it’s not your own...

[ironglow]

Well that freedom isn’t costing us roosters anything right now as far as death and suffering now is it? Just like money death is easier spent when it’s not your own...

   

   Mule;
   As I have said repeatedly, I don't like to see any wounds or deaths, be theyRussian, Ukraine, American, French, Syrian or other.
  ..But this has all the appearance of the Israel/Palestinian conflict..

  If Israel laid all their weapons today, there would still be a war..but if the palestinians did the same, the fighting would stop tomorrow.

  I expect that if the Ukrainians laid down their arms, there would be a slaughter..after all, they didn't seek this war..

  I suspect if the Russians laid down their arms and withdrew..the war would cease as they left..

[Dee]

Well that freedom isn’t costing us roosters anything right now as far as death and suffering now is it? Just like money death is easier spent when it’s not your own...

   

   Mule;
   As I have said repeatedly, I don't like to see any wounds or deaths, be theyRussian, Ukraine, American, French, Syrian or other.
  ..Buttjis has all the appearance of the Israel/Palestinian conflict..

  If Israel laid all their weapons today, there would still be a war..but if the palestinians did the same, the fighting would stop tomorrow.

  I expect that if the Ukrainians laid down their arms, there would be a slaughter..after all, they didn't seek this war..

  I suspect if the Russians laid down their arms and withdrew..the war would cease as they left..

That's about the size of it.

[ironglow]

  In 1991, the Ukraine referendum..across the Ukraine, inclyding the donbas region, when the Ukraine people voted by over 90% for independence.
  If we were to hold an election and over 90% want one direction..does the other 8% or 9% have good reason to start a civil war? 
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referendum#:~:text=A%20referendum%20on%20the%20Act,Rada%20on%2024%20August%201991.
   
   Should not that small percentage who favored Russian dominance, either gone along with the majority..or moved back to Mother Russia?

[Dixie-Dude]

There is not 360,000 NAZI's in Ukraine.  There are about 60,000.  Percentage wise, we probably have that many neo-NAZI's and skinheads in the US, but we are not NAZI's. 

[ironglow]

  Moldova chose to leave the Soviet slave state in 1991, what would bringthem to want to jump back into the s- -t basket of Russian slavery ?
   Even now, they are assisting the Ukrainians..  Does that sound like a people who want to be placed under the Russian yoke, all over again?

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_of_Moldova

[Dee]

There is not 360,000 NAZI's in Ukraine.  There are about 60,000.  Percentage wise, we probably have that many neo-NAZI's and skinheads in the US, but we are not NAZI's.

There are about 30 known neo-Nazi groups in UKr.  And the fact is after WW2 Ukraine region never outlawed Nazism and allowed the Nazi movement to crystalize in Ukraine, until today they have penetrated and hold office in government and the military, and control Zelenskyy. If there's only 60,000 Nazies in Ukraine then there's 300,000 collaborators supporting their extremism. Not to mention the Nazi colloborators supporting them from Washington, London, Berlin, Brussels, Paris, Toronto. Make no mistake, the Nazi influence in Kiev is total:

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

And make no mistake, the world is experiencing a resurgence in authoritarian government, i.e. fascist Nazism, under the cloak of socialism and The Great Reset.
.

LOL, There are over 99 neo nazi groups in the United States. Should Russia start bombing our residential areas, shopping mails, and sports complexes?

https://www.mic.com/articles/169740/the-complete-list-of-american-cities-where-neo-nazis-are-known-to-operate

Here's another reason for Putin to send Russian troops over here and kill us. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-many-nazis-are-there-in-america-really

[Dee]

As far as I know no fascist or Nazi centric group has penetrated our government, hold office, or control out military, which is demonstratively the case in Ukraine, Nor have our homegrown Nazies terrorized or killed ethnic groups.

But you know, with Covidmania, mass media, courts, BLM and Antifa conditioning the 2020 election playing field for Joebama the Tyrant to seize power; and with the Joebama and the Uniparty giving endless support for Ukraine thereby at war with Russia _ _ we may be the biggest sanctimonious Nazi state ever.

It's been said Germany lost WW2, but the Nazies won. Operation Paperclip imported a few thousand Nazi brain trustees into the USA. About a dozen other programs just like Operation Paperclip did the same thing. None of these German Nazi brainiacs ever denounced their Nazi mind think, yet went on to fill key positions in government, education, finance, industry; and formed the Deep State. But of course, now we're getting a Ministry of Truth.

Fact is Planet Earth is being overrun by fascism, authoritarianism, Nazism  - - whatever you want to call it.
.

Well let's remember that Ukraine is at war with Russia, because Russia attacked the Ukraine. Being "at war" and defending oneself is not necessarily the same thing.

Russia is trying to run another country's business.

[ironglow]

  NAZIS...the big bugaboo term all leftists use... 
   They need something to center their hate upon...other than "straight, white, men"..

  I doubt there are many Nazis in existence today....  Let's think logically..

 1) Adolph has been dead for bout 77 years..

 2) Outside Deutchland, and then only in nursing homes..I doubt there are more than a handful
    of Nazis alive... it is past, dead history'.

 3) Why should any person be a Nazi?  For any adult person over 40. they know Nazism is not only evil, but also a loser proposition.

 4) For those younger than 40, they have no real knowledge or insight into it, and there are far more
 contemporary groups where they can spew hate, division, pick scape goat victims and be a control freak.

 5) If one pines for  group like that, there are plenty hateful, divisive and control freak groups available on the left.

  6) So, how do we explain the occasional swastika found at any demonstration or riot?
   Not surprising, seeing how viseral the reaction by half-informed people is, that the left would "plant" Nazi flag bearers to show up..knowing leftists and the uninformed...are guarantee to have get a violent  case of "explosive diahorrea" of the mouth and emotions.

  7)...That plus, the completely sold-out-to-the-left MSM, will have a field day, if they can find even a 3" X 5" Nazi flag within a half mile of the gathering.

  The big bonus for Putin to claim "NAZIS", is the gut reaction the very word is going to evoke deep within the mind of almost every Russian.  ..That sure helps to take attention off his own screw-ups !

   ...So I ask the guys here..  How many Nazis are you personally aware of ? 

       I do not know of a single one !   ...And since I am a straight, white , male... when I should by leftist definition...know many of them.

[billy_56081]

I myself don't care if Russia takes all of Europe.  Not my business!

[ironglow]

I myself don't care if Russia takes all of Europe.  Not my business!

   ..And once he takes Europe, with it's wealth, agriculture, technology and industry...he will be satisfied and give up all his expansionist aims...
 
   ...Same as Napoleon, Hitler or Hirohito would have been satisfied with just one more square foot of territory...

[ironglow]

IG....
I'm afraid you don't understand the true psychic and mindthink of modern Nazism, fascism, Statism, authoritarian government...,or whatever you want to call it.
You can't possibly observe what has been going on in the USA and say it has nothing to do with what use to called Nazism. Impossible disconnect.
.

  With it's "woke" followers, it looks more like communism than Nazism.  Fascism is slightly different than Nazism, but Communism, Socialism and the now moribund Nazism all draw ideas from Fascism.

[Mule 11]

IG.....it's all factions of the same Statism authoritarian mind think. These factions and personalities argue amongst themselves.
Karl Schwab and the Great Covid Resetters are striving to unite all under one fascist umbrella.
You will have nothing, and be pizzed off. Which is why I wouldn't touch Ukraine with a ten foot pole, because Joe the Terrible is doing his part to make sure we have nothing..!
.

That is his only accomplishment...

[Lloyd Smale]

not a chance. About half of this country are liberals. Half of them are full blown socialists. Id bet youd be lucky to have 25 percent of the conservatives willing to die for this country. Liberals? I doubt if one percent would. Socialists? They would welcome it and like tm7 would love to see communism rein and there hero putin in charge. He and others run there mouths daily trying to justify what putin is doing. Only thing there ever going to kill is unborn babies.  In a way looking over the last two years shows me the communists have already started the invasion. 

Freedom ain't free. I would hope that were the united states invaded as has been the Ukraine, that Americans would fight as hard as the Ukrainian people have.
But I'm doubtful.
Perhaps the Ukraine is Europe's Alamo. They fought until they were totally over ran. Then they were executed,  but they bought others time to regroup.
I hope Ukraine prevails, and Putin winds up hiding in a ditch.

[Lloyd Smale]

but he doesnt like this country either.

There is not 360,000 NAZI's in Ukraine.  There are about 60,000.  Percentage wise, we probably have that many neo-NAZI's and skinheads in the US, but we are not NAZI's.

There are about 30 known neo-Nazi groups in UKr.  And the fact is after WW2 Ukraine region never outlawed Nazism and allowed the Nazi movement to crystalize in Ukraine, until today they have penetrated and hold office in government and the military, and control Zelenskyy. If there's only 60,000 Nazies in Ukraine then there's 300,000 collaborators supporting their extremism. Not to mention the Nazi colloborators supporting them from Washington, London, Berlin, Brussels, Paris, Toronto. Make no mistake, the Nazi influence in Kiev is total:

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

And make no mistake, the world is experiencing a resurgence in authoritarian government, i.e. fascist Nazism, under the cloak of socialism and The Great Reset.
.

LOL, There are over 99 neo nazi groups in the United States. Should Russia start bombing our residential areas, shopping mails, and sports complexes?

https://www.mic.com/articles/169740/the-complete-list-of-american-cities-where-neo-nazis-are-known-to-operate

Here's another reason for Putin to send Russian troops over here and kill us. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-many-nazis-are-there-in-america-really

[ironglow]

   QUOTE:

LOL, There are over 99 neo nazi groups in the United States. Should Russia start bombing our residential areas, shopping mails, and sports complexes?

https://www.mic.com/articles/169740/the-complete-list-of-american-cities-where-neo-nazis-are-known-to-operate

Here's another reason for Putin to send Russian troops over here and kill us. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-many-nazis-are-there-in-america-really
[/quote]

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  I am surprised at the links you cited since most of us would see them as radical leftists, and not give them the time of day.

   The first link is printing what the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center)...which seems to figure that if a fellow is white..he is automatically a racist, Nazi supremacist.  ...And to be a white, Biblical Christian..he is the devil personified.

  Then the second one is The Daily Beast, a known conservative hating rag..

  And "The Nation" which Tm cited, is another leftist loudspeaker..that sees nazis behind every tree.

   Here is one small list of groups the SPLC hates...and they must be fair, because they are one of FB's "fact checkers"..     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_anti-LGBT_hate_groups

  IMO..the SPLC is one of the major "hate groups" in the USA. They like to "hate on" local churches that mention that LGBTQ stuff is immoral.
   ..They fail to mention of course, that God Himself, is who told these churches tha such perversion is unacceptable to Him.