Author Topic: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas! A "Speculation" Thread!  (Read 11095 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Mule 11

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5079
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2022, 02:06:29 PM »
Anyone who goes to ABC for information is a total dumb ass...

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #61 on: May 26, 2022, 02:56:32 PM »
Watching ABC as I type and apparently most of the responding cops were COWARDS.
How many times have we seen the same thing play out??
I believe Columbine was the first time that coward cops were shown on national news, they hid in the bushes while children died.
There's a million videos out there showing the same kind of cops brutalizing innocent civilians.

Don't get me wrong there's some good cops out there, Morrow Georgia is a good example.
My local cops are (I hope :)) good ones.

Are you sure about that coward stuff?
Yes.
It seems a deputy or two went in and retrieved their own kids and came back out.
And many of the parents were detained in cuffs to keep them from going in.  No cowards among those.
They train and train and train and spend millions of dollars on equipment and K-9s but when the lives of CHILDREN are on the line they stand outside in the shade sipping from their water bottles.
The SCOTUS has ruled that cops don't have a duty to protect us, but when they ignore the gunshots knowing innocent children (GODS favorites) are being murdered, they don't deserve to be pissed on if they were on fire.

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23870
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #62 on: May 26, 2022, 03:19:02 PM »
Watching ABC as I type and apparently most of the responding cops were COWARDS.
How many times have we seen the same thing play out??
I believe Columbine was the first time that coward cops were shown on national news, they hid in the bushes while children died.
There's a million videos out there showing the same kind of cops brutalizing innocent civilians.

Don't get me wrong there's some good cops out there, Morrow Georgia is a good example.
My local cops are (I hope :)) good ones.

Are you sure about that coward stuff?
Yes.
It seems a deputy or two went in and retrieved their own kids and came back out.
And many of the parents were detained in cuffs to keep them from going in.  No cowards among those.
They train and train and train and spend millions of dollars on equipment and K-9s but when the lives of CHILDREN are on the line they stand outside in the shade sipping from their water bottles.
The SCOTUS has ruled that cops don't have a duty to protect us, but when they ignore the gunshots knowing innocent children (GODS favorites) are being murdered, they don't deserve to be pissed on if they were on fire.

Got a documented link on all that? I haven't seen that on local news channels.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #63 on: May 26, 2022, 03:55:55 PM »
Mule, you probably have time to edit that blatant personal attack before Bill sees it. :)
He does not approve.
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Ranger99

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9581
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2022, 04:21:15 PM »
Goodness gracious,  I haven't
seen so much BS flying out of
the radio and television in I don't
know when
Just me- I don't understand why
nobody wants to blame the shooter
for what he did.
I've heard all this about the nutjob
was just able to walk in and buy
all his goods with no/a fake identification,
( I can't see how that would happen )
How did he get a "bulletproof " vest?
I've seen several reports that the vest was
one of the popular tacticool cloth
vest and not a ballistic panel vest.
Heard about how the poeleece got
skeerd and ran away and ate sandwiches
or something another ( depends on
who's reporting the story)



Just me- I blame the pinhead nutjob
for everything. Should have been in
a secure nutjob facility taking shock
treatments and lots of medication.
You don't nurture and enable pinhead
nutjobs. You lock them up or plant them
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .
Agree Agree x 1 View List

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #66 on: May 26, 2022, 04:34:37 PM »
Goodness gracious,  I haven't
seen so much BS flying out of
the radio and television in I don't
know when
Just me- I don't understand why
nobody wants to blame the shooter
for what he did.
I've heard all this about the nutjob
was just able to walk in and buy
all his goods with no/a fake identification,
( I can't see how that would happen )
How did he get a "bulletproof " vest?
I've seen several reports that the vest was
one of the popular tacticool cloth
vest and not a ballistic panel vest.
Heard about how the poeleece got
skeerd and ran away and ate sandwiches
or something another ( depends on
who's reporting the story)



Just me- I blame the pinhead nutjob
for everything. Should have been in
a secure nutjob facility taking shock
treatments and lots of medication.
You don't nurture and enable pinhead
nutjobs. You lock them up or plant them
It seems that the perp had been sent to a shrink, and if true, shrinks must be easy to fool.
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Ranger99

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9581
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #67 on: May 26, 2022, 04:40:40 PM »
Haven't heard the shrink part.
All these people were carrying on
about him being bullied, then
they interviewed the acquaintance
that said that the shooter had
never been bullied, but had tried
to be a bully and couldn't pull it
off, and that he'd tortured animals.
I've not heard the bully angle since
then.
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23870
  • Gender: Male
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

Online JeffG

  • Trade Count: (5)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1504
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #69 on: May 26, 2022, 04:54:26 PM »
Gee, another topic that the politicians and the media have gotten us to fight over. We gun owners have to tolerate, and live side by side with anti gunners, anti hunters, assorted Karens of both genders,*  and be civil.
Anti gunners, and anti hunters demonize, slander, lie, confront, harass and introduce frivolous lawsuits in an attempt to extinguish our hobby and past times, and our ability to defend ourselves. In all of this, a truism remains:

 Disarming law abiding gun owners will never make other people safer.



 By the way, the right to bear arms is guaranteed in the framework of our Constitution, being a mentally ill violent criminal, roaming our neighborhoods is not.

*(there are only two genders )
Young guys should hang out with old guys; old guys know stuff

Offline Lloyd Smale

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (32)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18253
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #70 on: May 26, 2022, 10:14:41 PM »
its the guns fault. The police were cowards?? My guess is this is all just a smoke screen by the left to deflect from the real truth. What caused this is the moral decay the liberals have brought to this country. It started with the clintons and really got rolling under obama and has become epidemic under biden. They are going to push any narrative that gets them votes. We have police today, and this might very well be an example of it, that are afraid to act because when its over some leftist will twist what they did into a crime and put them in jail. Does george floyd ring a bell??? I wont arm chair quarterback what trained law enforcement did or guess on what there orders and policys are. Its easy to judge when your sitting at home and nobodys shooting at you. Me? ill give them the benefit of the doubt. They at least had the balls to put there lives on the line every day for us. What have you judgers done? Saddens me that people HERE will jump to judgement against our police officers and border patrol. What chance do they have if even the right is willing to hang them out to dry before the facts are even in. This is the last place id expect that trash.
blue lives matter
Like Like x 1 View List

Offline Mule 11

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5079
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #71 on: May 27, 2022, 01:51:05 AM »
Mule, you probably have time to edit that blatant personal attack before Bill sees it. :)
He does not approve.
It’s directed at “anyone” that goes to msnbc, nbc, abc or the likes for sources of information. I did not say Bugeye....

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23870
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #72 on: May 27, 2022, 02:07:44 AM »
its the guns fault. The police were cowards?? My guess is this is all just a smoke screen by the left to deflect from the real truth. What caused this is the moral decay the liberals have brought to this country. It started with the clintons and really got rolling under obama and has become epidemic under biden. They are going to push any narrative that gets them votes. We have police today, and this might very well be an example of it, that are afraid to act because when its over some leftist will twist what they did into a crime and put them in jail. Does george floyd ring a bell??? I wont arm chair quarterback what trained law enforcement did or guess on what there orders and policys are. Its easy to judge when your sitting at home and nobodys shooting at you. Me? ill give them the benefit of the doubt. They at least had the balls to put there lives on the line every day for us. What have you judgers done? Saddens me that people HERE will jump to judgement against our police officers and border patrol. What chance do they have if even the right is willing to hang them out to dry before the facts are even in. This is the last place id expect that trash.

Agreed Lloyd. There is slightly less than 700 thousand police officers nationwide In a country with some 320 million folks, and under current conditions the number of police officers is shrinking,  and rightly so.

With so many rumors, and misinformation flying around, along with unashamed politics in play the police are already the bad guys.

The Texas Rangers have a reputation of sifting through the garbage and coming up with the facts. I'm gonna opt for facts instead of wild accusations, and surmising.

In the end, dead cops don't save anybody.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #73 on: May 27, 2022, 05:32:23 AM »
Mule, you probably have time to edit that blatant personal attack before Bill sees it. :)
He does not approve.
It’s directed at “anyone” that goes to msnbc, nbc, abc or the likes for sources of information. I did not say Bugeye....
I'm the only one who mentioned ABC. :)
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #74 on: May 27, 2022, 05:55:41 AM »
its the guns fault. The police were cowards?? My guess is this is all just a smoke screen by the left to deflect from the real truth. What caused this is the moral decay the liberals have brought to this country. It started with the clintons and really got rolling under obama and has become epidemic under biden. They are going to push any narrative that gets them votes. We have police today, and this might very well be an example of it, that are afraid to act because when its over some leftist will twist what they did into a crime and put them in jail. Does george floyd ring a bell??? I wont arm chair quarterback what trained law enforcement did or guess on what there orders and policys are. Its easy to judge when your sitting at home and nobodys shooting at you. Me? ill give them the benefit of the doubt. They at least had the balls to put there lives on the line every day for us. What have you judgers done? Saddens me that people HERE will jump to judgement against our police officers and border patrol. What chance do they have if even the right is willing to hang them out to dry before the facts are even in. This is the last place id expect that trash.

Agreed Lloyd. There is slightly less than 700 thousand police officers nationwide In a country with some 320 million folks, and under current conditions the number of police officers is shrinking,  and rightly so.

With so many rumors, and misinformation flying around, along with unashamed politics in play the police are already the bad guys.

The Texas Rangers have a reputation of sifting through the garbage and coming up with the facts. I'm gonna opt for facts instead of wild accusations, and surmising.

In the end, dead cops don't save anybody.
I don't know how many cops were there, but I saw a bunch walking around with ARs or equivalent.
There's many 17 and 18 year old kids who sign up for the military knowing they could be put in harms way and possibly lose their life.   They do it willingly, they will charge the enemy because it's their job.
Why do cops become cops??  Is it so they can strut around with a badge and gun, stopping motorists and making money for their agency??    Is it so they can blame protocol for standing around while children die??
If they are scared, get a different job.

I was sworn in on my 17th birthday knowing I would probably end up in Vietnam.
Why do cops wear guns if they are too scared to use them against a bad guy with a gun??
Why don't we just fire all regular cops and just have a few detectives who show up and examine the carnage and count the dead children and say, we sure could use some cops with guts.

I feel very strong about protecting children beginning with those in the womb, and IN MY OPINION GOD will not forgive me if I stand idly by and let children be butchered.
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23870
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #75 on: May 27, 2022, 06:50:18 AM »
its the guns fault. The police were cowards?? My guess is this is all just a smoke screen by the left to deflect from the real truth. What caused this is the moral decay the liberals have brought to this country. It started with the clintons and really got rolling under obama and has become epidemic under biden. They are going to push any narrative that gets them votes. We have police today, and this might very well be an example of it, that are afraid to act because when its over some leftist will twist what they did into a crime and put them in jail. Does george floyd ring a bell??? I wont arm chair quarterback what trained law enforcement did or guess on what there orders and policys are. Its easy to judge when your sitting at home and nobodys shooting at you. Me? ill give them the benefit of the doubt. They at least had the balls to put there lives on the line every day for us. What have you judgers done? Saddens me that people HERE will jump to judgement against our police officers and border patrol. What chance do they have if even the right is willing to hang them out to dry before the facts are even in. This is the last place id expect that trash.

Agreed Lloyd. There is slightly less than 700 thousand police officers nationwide In a country with some 320 million folks, and under current conditions the number of police officers is shrinking,  and rightly so.

With so many rumors, and misinformation flying around, along with unashamed politics in play the police are already the bad guys.

The Texas Rangers have a reputation of sifting through the garbage and coming up with the facts. I'm gonna opt for facts instead of wild accusations, and surmising.

In the end, dead cops don't save anybody.
I don't know how many cops were there, but I saw a bunch walking around with ARs or equivalent.
There's many 17 and 18 year old kids who sign up for the military knowing they could be put in harms way and possibly lose their life.   They do it willingly, they will charge the enemy because it's their job.
Why do cops become cops??  Is it so they can strut around with a badge and gun, stopping motorists and making money for their agency??    Is it so they can blame protocol for standing around while children die??
If they are scared, get a different job.

I was sworn in on my 17th birthday knowing I would probably end up in Vietnam.
Why do cops wear guns if they are too scared to use them against a bad guy with a gun??
Why don't we just fire all regular cops and just have a few detectives who show up and examine the carnage and count the dead children and say, we sure could use some cops with guts.

I feel very strong about protecting children beginning with those in the womb, and IN MY OPINION GOD will not forgive me if I stand idly by and let children be butchered.

Well,  I suppose your including me so why don't we just get straight to the nut cutting. Just how many tours in Vietnam did you do. How many fire fights were you in, how many goods did you kill, or were you one of those in the rear with the gear? Or did you even finish you sign up?

You're ranting on sumthin you don't know a damn thing about, and you're armchair quarterbackin an event based on television reports. Your an "A Typical" that done your little career in the private sector and may or may not have joined the local volunteer fire dept.  ;)

I think when this investigation is completed your gonna need a doctor to get that big foot out of your mouth.

I'm gonna give'em the benefit of the doubt and let the Texas Rangers do their job.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

Offline Mule 11

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5079
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #76 on: May 27, 2022, 07:04:34 AM »
Mule, you probably have time to edit that blatant personal attack before Bill sees it. :)
He does not approve.
It’s directed at “anyone” that goes to msnbc, nbc, abc or the likes for sources of information. I did not say Bugeye....
I'm the only one who mentioned ABC. :)
I followed your link to ABC. Apparently we need a safe space here :) Clarification, If you go to abc and the likes and believe there “information”  well, can’t really say what I think as some will be offended and assume it’s directed at them... Some watch these news sources to see what bs they’re spewing, I generally do not.

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #77 on: May 27, 2022, 07:07:43 AM »
Wrong decision to delay going in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-7E-SlnaLE
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #78 on: May 27, 2022, 07:27:28 AM »
its the guns fault. The police were cowards?? My guess is this is all just a smoke screen by the left to deflect from the real truth. What caused this is the moral decay the liberals have brought to this country. It started with the clintons and really got rolling under obama and has become epidemic under biden. They are going to push any narrative that gets them votes. We have police today, and this might very well be an example of it, that are afraid to act because when its over some leftist will twist what they did into a crime and put them in jail. Does george floyd ring a bell??? I wont arm chair quarterback what trained law enforcement did or guess on what there orders and policys are. Its easy to judge when your sitting at home and nobodys shooting at you. Me? ill give them the benefit of the doubt. They at least had the balls to put there lives on the line every day for us. What have you judgers done? Saddens me that people HERE will jump to judgement against our police officers and border patrol. What chance do they have if even the right is willing to hang them out to dry before the facts are even in. This is the last place id expect that trash.

Agreed Lloyd. There is slightly less than 700 thousand police officers nationwide In a country with some 320 million folks, and under current conditions the number of police officers is shrinking,  and rightly so.

With so many rumors, and misinformation flying around, along with unashamed politics in play the police are already the bad guys.

The Texas Rangers have a reputation of sifting through the garbage and coming up with the facts. I'm gonna opt for facts instead of wild accusations, and surmising.

In the end, dead cops don't save anybody.
I don't know how many cops were there, but I saw a bunch walking around with ARs or equivalent.
There's many 17 and 18 year old kids who sign up for the military knowing they could be put in harms way and possibly lose their life.   They do it willingly, they will charge the enemy because it's their job.
Why do cops become cops??  Is it so they can strut around with a badge and gun, stopping motorists and making money for their agency??    Is it so they can blame protocol for standing around while children die??
If they are scared, get a different job.

I was sworn in on my 17th birthday knowing I would probably end up in Vietnam.
Why do cops wear guns if they are too scared to use them against a bad guy with a gun??
Why don't we just fire all regular cops and just have a few detectives who show up and examine the carnage and count the dead children and say, we sure could use some cops with guts.

I feel very strong about protecting children beginning with those in the womb, and IN MY OPINION GOD will not forgive me if I stand idly by and let children be butchered.

Well,  I suppose your including me so why don't we just get straight to the nut cutting. Just how many tours in Vietnam did you do. How many fire fights were you in, how many goods did you kill, or were you one of those in the rear with the gear? Or did you even finish you sign up?

You're ranting on sumthin you don't know a damn thing about, and you're armchair quarterbackin an event based on television reports. Your an "A Typical" that done your little career in the private sector and may or may not have joined the local volunteer fire dept.  ;)

I think when this investigation is completed your gonna need a doctor to get that big foot out of your mouth.

I'm gonna give'em the benefit of the doubt and let the Texas Rangers do their job.
I did not go to nam.
When I finished my training as a loadmaster on C-130s (that was my job at Delta Airlines) I went for my physical for deployment and a crooked spine was discovered.  I'm now nearly crippled.
We are all armchair quarterbacks.   Look at the posts of any member.

Would you have taken the initiative and tried to save the children??
Or would you have stood around outside and counted gun shots??
If you had done the first, you would be a hero in my eyes.
If you had done the second, you would be a coward like the rest.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015%3A13&version=KJV

I would never forgive myself if I didn't try ANYTHING to save children from being murdered.

The pictures of the scene outside showed cops with ARs and armored vehicles and quasi-military troops who like to dress up in battle gear and play soldier but are too chicken to go up against a 18yo kid.

Once again, if you're scared, get a different job.

Question; what's the purpose of a cop??
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Buckskin

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2504
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #79 on: May 27, 2022, 08:34:02 AM »
Absolutely wrong decision by the police not to go in.  First 911 call was at 11:32 with shots fired, police respond shortly after, border patrol agent arrived about 12:10 and the police dept prevented him from entering then at 13:06 the vermin is exterminated.   A total collapse of responsibility from top to bottom.   The school was unprepared as well, in this day and age it is tragic that they didn't have some safeguards.  Punk was shooting at the school before even entering.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/uvalde-texas-school-shooting

Plenty of sad info here.  How many of those children could have been saved if they had entered right away?  Only God knows...
Buckskin

"I have tried to live my life so that my family would love me and my friends respect me. The others can do whatever the hell they please.   --John Wayne

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #80 on: May 27, 2022, 08:57:51 AM »
Absolutely wrong decision by the police not to go in.  First 911 call was at 11:32 with shots fired, police respond shortly after, border patrol agent arrived about 12:10 and the police dept prevented him from entering then at 13:06 the vermin is exterminated.   A total collapse of responsibility from top to bottom.   The school was unprepared as well, in this day and age it is tragic that they didn't have some safeguards.  Punk was shooting at the school before even entering.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/uvalde-texas-school-shooting

Plenty of sad info here.  How many of those children could have been saved if they had entered right away?  Only God knows...
Good post.
At least one kid got through to 911 and said please send the police.
That broke my heart.
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Graybeard

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (69)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 26939
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #81 on: May 27, 2022, 10:32:39 AM »
I watched the entire news report and the head of the Texas Department of Public Safety said the on scene incident commander made the wrong call. He did explain why at least to some extent that wrong call was made.

Initially there was a flurry of shots fired and that was an "active shooter" situation. Then shooting transitioned to mostly shots at the door and periods of no shots. The incident commander incorrectly assumed the situation had changed from an active shooter to a barricaded shooter to which different rules apply.

In hindsight it seems everyone agrees that was a bad call but it was the call made. Now I'm not a cop, I've never been a cop, and I never even played one on TV. So I can't know what should or shouldn't have happened.

But if the guy in charge declared it to be a barricaded shooter not an active shooter situation then I imagine different rules applied and those cops you are blaming for standing around and waiting for the Border Patrol SWAT guys to arrive weren't necessarily cowards but were perhaps just doing what they were ordered to do by the incident commander on site.

Sure he made a seriously bad call and perhaps should have known better, perhaps he should have done differently and perhaps he will be fired for his wrong decision. But it was I'm sure a terribly hectic situation and decisions were being made on spur of moment and changing by the second.

Arm chair quarterbacking by folks here at GBO with no police training or experience helps no one and nothing. It was a tragic event and different decisions might have saved children's lives but we don't really know for sure.

Ultimately the blame all falls on the guy who chose to take a rifle and go into a school and shoot children, not on the cops. Sure those higher up cops admit bad decisions were made and there will no doubt be plenty of blame to go around and perhaps folks will be fired over those decisions.

Blame whoever left that door open. Had it been properly secured he'd never have gotten inside.

We all get pissed off when children get shot and die but it happened every day of every week in ever big city in the country and no one seems to get upset over that only these mass shooter events.

None of us were there and none of us know what happened and none of us know what we've have done if we had been there. Jumping on each other about the details of an event that we still know little about is not productive.


Bill aka the Graybeard
President, Graybeard Outdoor Enterprises
256-435-1125

I am not a lawyer and do not give legal advice.

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life anyone who believes in Him will have everlasting life!

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23870
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #82 on: May 27, 2022, 10:44:57 AM »
its the guns fault. The police were cowards?? My guess is this is all just a smoke screen by the left to deflect from the real truth. What caused this is the moral decay the liberals have brought to this country. It started with the clintons and really got rolling under obama and has become epidemic under biden. They are going to push any narrative that gets them votes. We have police today, and this might very well be an example of it, that are afraid to act because when its over some leftist will twist what they did into a crime and put them in jail. Does george floyd ring a bell??? I wont arm chair quarterback what trained law enforcement did or guess on what there orders and policys are. Its easy to judge when your sitting at home and nobodys shooting at you. Me? ill give them the benefit of the doubt. They at least had the balls to put there lives on the line every day for us. What have you judgers done? Saddens me that people HERE will jump to judgement against our police officers and border patrol. What chance do they have if even the right is willing to hang them out to dry before the facts are even in. This is the last place id expect that trash.

Agreed Lloyd. There is slightly less than 700 thousand police officers nationwide In a country with some 320 million folks, and under current conditions the number of police officers is shrinking,  and rightly so.

With so many rumors, and misinformation flying around, along with unashamed politics in play the police are already the bad guys.

The Texas Rangers have a reputation of sifting through the garbage and coming up with the facts. I'm gonna opt for facts instead of wild accusations, and surmising.

In the end, dead cops don't save anybody.
I don't know how many cops were there, but I saw a bunch walking around with ARs or equivalent.
There's many 17 and 18 year old kids who sign up for the military knowing they could be put in harms way and possibly lose their life.   They do it willingly, they will charge the enemy because it's their job.
Why do cops become cops??  Is it so they can strut around with a badge and gun, stopping motorists and making money for their agency??    Is it so they can blame protocol for standing around while children die??
If they are scared, get a different job.

I was sworn in on my 17th birthday knowing I would probably end up in Vietnam.
Why do cops wear guns if they are too scared to use them against a bad guy with a gun??
Why don't we just fire all regular cops and just have a few detectives who show up and examine the carnage and count the dead children and say, we sure could use some cops with guts.

I feel very strong about protecting children beginning with those in the womb, and IN MY OPINION GOD will not forgive me if I stand idly by and let children be butchered.

Well,  I suppose your including me so why don't we just get straight to the nut cutting. Just how many tours in Vietnam did you do. How many fire fights were you in, how many goods did you kill, or were you one of those in the rear with the gear? Or did you even finish you sign up?

You're ranting on sumthin you don't know a damn thing about, and you're armchair quarterbackin an event based on television reports. Your an "A Typical" that done your little career in the private sector and may or may not have joined the local volunteer fire dept.  ;)

I think when this investigation is completed your gonna need a doctor to get that big foot out of your mouth.

I'm gonna give'em the benefit of the doubt and let the Texas Rangers do their job.
I did not go to nam.
When I finished my training as a loadmaster on C-130s (that was my job at Delta Airlines) I went for my physical for deployment and a crooked spine was discovered.  I'm now nearly crippled.
We are all armchair quarterbacks.   Look at the posts of any member.

Would you have taken the initiative and tried to save the children??
Or would you have stood around outside and counted gun shots??
If you had done the first, you would be a hero in my eyes.
If you had done the second, you would be a coward like the rest.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015%3A13&version=KJV

I would never forgive myself if I didn't try ANYTHING to save children from being murdered.

The pictures of the scene outside showed cops with ARs and armored vehicles and quasi-military troops who like to dress up in battle gear and play soldier but are too chicken to go up against a 18yo kid.

Once again, if you're scared, get a different job.

Question; what's the purpose of a cop??

Like I said. You're talking about something you don't know a damn thing about. You're one of those TV commandos that watch edited film snippets and declare cowardice on very little information.
You've never seen combat, you've never pinned on a badge and answered any kind of a call, but your one of those that knows what should been done. That wide screen in your living room tells you everything you need to know about shoulda, coulda, woulda, and what YOU would done, and calling officers cowards.
You've never done anything remotely simular, but by god you'd a done it right. BS!.::)
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

Offline Ranger99

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9581
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #83 on: May 27, 2022, 01:08:35 PM »
I'm hearing a lot of people throwing
speculation around about "cops
standing around doing nothing" and
" parents being restrained from
rescuing their children " and such

Ok-  here's this
You're a police officer that just
arrived. A couple are standing there
holding back parents. You say to
yourself- self,  f it I'm going in !
You charge through the door, easing
down the hallway and come to a
door where you hear a kid screaming.
It's a little girl screaming hysterically
and a man about 30 has her by the
arm and she's trying to jerk away.
Milliseconds to think.
One shot in the midsection. He's
still holding her tight. One more
right through the bridge of the
nose. He's down. Girl still hysterical.
She screams " YOU JUST KILLED
MY DADDY!"
woops-  daddy made it past the
skeerd poeleece and didn't have
any business in an active scene,
but what happens now?

Lotta second guessing
I wasn't there myself

Maybe the psychopath should
have been in a mental institution
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23870
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #84 on: May 27, 2022, 01:20:48 PM »
I'm hearing a lot of people throwing
speculation around about "cops
standing around doing nothing" and
" parents being restrained from
rescuing their children " and such

Ok-  here's this
You're a police officer that just
arrived. A couple are standing there
holding back parents. You say to
yourself- self,  f it I'm going in !
You charge through the door, easing
down the hallway and come to a
door where you hear a kid screaming.
It's a little girl screaming hysterically
and a man about 30 has her by the
arm and she's trying to jerk away.
Milliseconds to think.
One shot in the midsection. He's
still holding her tight. One more
right through the bridge of the
nose. He's down. Girl still hysterical.
She screams " YOU JUST KILLED
MY DADDY!"
woops-  daddy made it past the
skeerd poeleece and didn't have
any business in an active scene,
but what happens now?

Lotta second guessing
I wasn't there myself

Maybe the psychopath should
have been in a mental institution

Agreed, a situation caused by a crazy man, with officers responding immediately. A firefight immediately, then a lull. Good decisions made, and bad decisions made, all in mili-seconds, under an incredible amount of stress, and pressure, with an adrenaline dump that ls indescribable.
A horrible situation gone to hell, and no second place winners.
Mistakes? Likely. But I doubt there were any cowards there.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #85 on: May 27, 2022, 01:23:50 PM »
its the guns fault. The police were cowards?? My guess is this is all just a smoke screen by the left to deflect from the real truth. What caused this is the moral decay the liberals have brought to this country. It started with the clintons and really got rolling under obama and has become epidemic under biden. They are going to push any narrative that gets them votes. We have police today, and this might very well be an example of it, that are afraid to act because when its over some leftist will twist what they did into a crime and put them in jail. Does george floyd ring a bell??? I wont arm chair quarterback what trained law enforcement did or guess on what there orders and policys are. Its easy to judge when your sitting at home and nobodys shooting at you. Me? ill give them the benefit of the doubt. They at least had the balls to put there lives on the line every day for us. What have you judgers done? Saddens me that people HERE will jump to judgement against our police officers and border patrol. What chance do they have if even the right is willing to hang them out to dry before the facts are even in. This is the last place id expect that trash.

Agreed Lloyd. There is slightly less than 700 thousand police officers nationwide In a country with some 320 million folks, and under current conditions the number of police officers is shrinking,  and rightly so.

With so many rumors, and misinformation flying around, along with unashamed politics in play the police are already the bad guys.

The Texas Rangers have a reputation of sifting through the garbage and coming up with the facts. I'm gonna opt for facts instead of wild accusations, and surmising.

In the end, dead cops don't save anybody.
I don't know how many cops were there, but I saw a bunch walking around with ARs or equivalent.
There's many 17 and 18 year old kids who sign up for the military knowing they could be put in harms way and possibly lose their life.   They do it willingly, they will charge the enemy because it's their job.
Why do cops become cops??  Is it so they can strut around with a badge and gun, stopping motorists and making money for their agency??    Is it so they can blame protocol for standing around while children die??
If they are scared, get a different job.

I was sworn in on my 17th birthday knowing I would probably end up in Vietnam.
Why do cops wear guns if they are too scared to use them against a bad guy with a gun??
Why don't we just fire all regular cops and just have a few detectives who show up and examine the carnage and count the dead children and say, we sure could use some cops with guts.

I feel very strong about protecting children beginning with those in the womb, and IN MY OPINION GOD will not forgive me if I stand idly by and let children be butchered.

Well,  I suppose your including me so why don't we just get straight to the nut cutting. Just how many tours in Vietnam did you do. How many fire fights were you in, how many goods did you kill, or were you one of those in the rear with the gear? Or did you even finish you sign up?

You're ranting on sumthin you don't know a damn thing about, and you're armchair quarterbackin an event based on television reports. Your an "A Typical" that done your little career in the private sector and may or may not have joined the local volunteer fire dept.  ;)

I think when this investigation is completed your gonna need a doctor to get that big foot out of your mouth.

I'm gonna give'em the benefit of the doubt and let the Texas Rangers do their job.
I did not go to nam.
When I finished my training as a loadmaster on C-130s (that was my job at Delta Airlines) I went for my physical for deployment and a crooked spine was discovered.  I'm now nearly crippled.
We are all armchair quarterbacks.   Look at the posts of any member.

Would you have taken the initiative and tried to save the children??
Or would you have stood around outside and counted gun shots??
If you had done the first, you would be a hero in my eyes.
If you had done the second, you would be a coward like the rest.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015%3A13&version=KJV

I would never forgive myself if I didn't try ANYTHING to save children from being murdered.

The pictures of the scene outside showed cops with ARs and armored vehicles and quasi-military troops who like to dress up in battle gear and play soldier but are too chicken to go up against a 18yo kid.

Once again, if you're scared, get a different job.

Question; what's the purpose of a cop??

Like I said. You're talking about something you don't know a damn thing about. You're one of those TV commandos that watch edited film snippets and declare cowardice on very little information.
You've never seen combat, you've never pinned on a badge and answered any kind of a call, but your one of those that knows what should been done. That wide screen in your living room tells you everything you need to know about shoulda, coulda, woulda, and what YOU would done, and calling officers cowards.
You've never done anything remotely simular, but by god you'd a done it right. BS!.::)
I just watched an interview of a retired former swat commander from L.A. who didn't use the word coward, but, he said he would have ignored orders and went in to SAVE CHILDREN.
And, the border patrol was told to stand down but they decided to heck with orders and they went in and killed the shooter.
Those were real men doing the job they signed on to do and they did it at their peril.  GOD bless them.
I've seen enough videos of the cops standing around sipping water (must have been hot where they were) while CHILDREN DIED.
I guess it's more important to follow orders to the letter to protect their retirement rather than go save CHILDREN'S LIVES.

I guess I couldn't be a cop because I have a heart and care about people, especially CHILDREN.
And, IMO, a person, cop or not, who doesn't try to save CHILDREN is a COWARD.

You have your opinion and I have mine but I can lay my head down tonight and rest knowing I didn't let a CHILD die.
And, I know that cops have this flag defacing brotherhood where they will stand around and watch their fellow cops break the law and with few exceptions will not say a word.

Let's use George Floyd as an example, the younger cop who the arrest belonged to suggested that Floyd be turned on his side so he could breath, a nurse and a martial arts fellow both were yelling that Chauvin was killing him.
And the young cop and the two other cops, all of who had been trained that you turn them on their side, stood by and allowed Chauvin to kill Floyd.  They sacrificed a human being to save their jobs.
And before anyone yells about floyd being a doper and a crook, remember that as long as a person is drawing breath there's a chance that he/she will come to GOD.
WWJD
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23870
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #86 on: May 27, 2022, 02:29:52 PM »
its the guns fault. The police were cowards?? My guess is this is all just a smoke screen by the left to deflect from the real truth. What caused this is the moral decay the liberals have brought to this country. It started with the clintons and really got rolling under obama and has become epidemic under biden. They are going to push any narrative that gets them votes. We have police today, and this might very well be an example of it, that are afraid to act because when its over some leftist will twist what they did into a crime and put them in jail. Does george floyd ring a bell??? I wont arm chair quarterback what trained law enforcement did or guess on what there orders and policys are. Its easy to judge when your sitting at home and nobodys shooting at you. Me? ill give them the benefit of the doubt. They at least had the balls to put there lives on the line every day for us. What have you judgers done? Saddens me that people HERE will jump to judgement against our police officers and border patrol. What chance do they have if even the right is willing to hang them out to dry before the facts are even in. This is the last place id expect that trash.

Agreed Lloyd. There is slightly less than 700 thousand police officers nationwide In a country with some 320 million folks, and under current conditions the number of police officers is shrinking,  and rightly so.

With so many rumors, and misinformation flying around, along with unashamed politics in play the police are already the bad guys.

The Texas Rangers have a reputation of sifting through the garbage and coming up with the facts. I'm gonna opt for facts instead of wild accusations, and surmising.

In the end, dead cops don't save anybody.
I don't know how many cops were there, but I saw a bunch walking around with ARs or equivalent.
There's many 17 and 18 year old kids who sign up for the military knowing they could be put in harms way and possibly lose their life.   They do it willingly, they will charge the enemy because it's their job.
Why do cops become cops??  Is it so they can strut around with a badge and gun, stopping motorists and making money for their agency??    Is it so they can blame protocol for standing around while children die??
If they are scared, get a different job.

I was sworn in on my 17th birthday knowing I would probably end up in Vietnam.
Why do cops wear guns if they are too scared to use them against a bad guy with a gun??
Why don't we just fire all regular cops and just have a few detectives who show up and examine the carnage and count the dead children and say, we sure could use some cops with guts.

I feel very strong about protecting children beginning with those in the womb, and IN MY OPINION GOD will not forgive me if I stand idly by and let children be butchered.

Well,  I suppose your including me so why don't we just get straight to the nut cutting. Just how many tours in Vietnam did you do. How many fire fights were you in, how many goods did you kill, or were you one of those in the rear with the gear? Or did you even finish you sign up?

You're ranting on sumthin you don't know a damn thing about, and you're armchair quarterbackin an event based on television reports. Your an "A Typical" that done your little career in the private sector and may or may not have joined the local volunteer fire dept.  ;)

I think when this investigation is completed your gonna need a doctor to get that big foot out of your mouth.

I'm gonna give'em the benefit of the doubt and let the Texas Rangers do their job.
I did not go to nam.
When I finished my training as a loadmaster on C-130s (that was my job at Delta Airlines) I went for my physical for deployment and a crooked spine was discovered.  I'm now nearly crippled.
We are all armchair quarterbacks.   Look at the posts of any member.

Would you have taken the initiative and tried to save the children??
Or would you have stood around outside and counted gun shots??
If you had done the first, you would be a hero in my eyes.
If you had done the second, you would be a coward like the rest.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015%3A13&version=KJV

I would never forgive myself if I didn't try ANYTHING to save children from being murdered.

The pictures of the scene outside showed cops with ARs and armored vehicles and quasi-military troops who like to dress up in battle gear and play soldier but are too chicken to go up against a 18yo kid.

Once again, if you're scared, get a different job.

Question; what's the purpose of a cop??

Like I said. You're talking about something you don't know a damn thing about. You're one of those TV commandos that watch edited film snippets and declare cowardice on very little information.
You've never seen combat, you've never pinned on a badge and answered any kind of a call, but your one of those that knows what should been done. That wide screen in your living room tells you everything you need to know about shoulda, coulda, woulda, and what YOU would done, and calling officers cowards.
You've never done anything remotely simular, but by god you'd a done it right. BS!.::)
I just watched an interview of a retired former swat commander from L.A. who didn't use the word coward, but, he said he would have ignored orders and went in to SAVE CHILDREN.
And, the border patrol was told to stand down but they decided to heck with orders and they went in and killed the shooter.
Those were real men doing the job they signed on to do and they did it at their peril.  GOD bless them.
I've seen enough videos of the cops standing around sipping water (must have been hot where they were) while CHILDREN DIED.
I guess it's more important to follow orders to the letter to protect their retirement rather than go save CHILDREN'S LIVES.

I guess I couldn't be a cop because I have a heart and care about people, especially CHILDREN.
And, IMO, a person, cop or not, who doesn't try to save CHILDREN is a COWARD.

You have your opinion and I have mine but I can lay my head down tonight and rest knowing I didn't let a CHILD die.
And, I know that cops have this flag defacing brotherhood where they will stand around and watch their fellow cops break the law and with few exceptions will not say a word.

Let's use George Floyd as an example, the younger cop who the arrest belonged to suggested that Floyd be turned on his side so he could breath, a nurse and a martial arts fellow both were yelling that Chauvin was killing him.
And the young cop and the two other cops, all of who had been trained that you turn them on their side, stood by and allowed Chauvin to kill Floyd.  They sacrificed a human being to save their jobs.
And before anyone yells about floyd being a doper and a crook, remember that as long as a person is drawing breath there's a chance that he/she will come to GOD.
WWJD

Yeah, you can lay your head down cause you've never let a child die, because you've never stepped up. You just prop yourself up in front of your flat-screen and criticize, and fanticize. You're "a never did" much, that never put yourself in harms way. You talk a tough game, but you never played it. Any officer there did more than you've ever done.

Now I'm done with this, your a waste of time, and wouldn't make a pimple on a police officers' ass.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #87 on: May 27, 2022, 03:16:51 PM »
its the guns fault. The police were cowards?? My guess is this is all just a smoke screen by the left to deflect from the real truth. What caused this is the moral decay the liberals have brought to this country. It started with the clintons and really got rolling under obama and has become epidemic under biden. They are going to push any narrative that gets them votes. We have police today, and this might very well be an example of it, that are afraid to act because when its over some leftist will twist what they did into a crime and put them in jail. Does george floyd ring a bell??? I wont arm chair quarterback what trained law enforcement did or guess on what there orders and policys are. Its easy to judge when your sitting at home and nobodys shooting at you. Me? ill give them the benefit of the doubt. They at least had the balls to put there lives on the line every day for us. What have you judgers done? Saddens me that people HERE will jump to judgement against our police officers and border patrol. What chance do they have if even the right is willing to hang them out to dry before the facts are even in. This is the last place id expect that trash.

Agreed Lloyd. There is slightly less than 700 thousand police officers nationwide In a country with some 320 million folks, and under current conditions the number of police officers is shrinking,  and rightly so.

With so many rumors, and misinformation flying around, along with unashamed politics in play the police are already the bad guys.

The Texas Rangers have a reputation of sifting through the garbage and coming up with the facts. I'm gonna opt for facts instead of wild accusations, and surmising.

In the end, dead cops don't save anybody.
I don't know how many cops were there, but I saw a bunch walking around with ARs or equivalent.
There's many 17 and 18 year old kids who sign up for the military knowing they could be put in harms way and possibly lose their life.   They do it willingly, they will charge the enemy because it's their job.
Why do cops become cops??  Is it so they can strut around with a badge and gun, stopping motorists and making money for their agency??    Is it so they can blame protocol for standing around while children die??
If they are scared, get a different job.

I was sworn in on my 17th birthday knowing I would probably end up in Vietnam.
Why do cops wear guns if they are too scared to use them against a bad guy with a gun??
Why don't we just fire all regular cops and just have a few detectives who show up and examine the carnage and count the dead children and say, we sure could use some cops with guts.

I feel very strong about protecting children beginning with those in the womb, and IN MY OPINION GOD will not forgive me if I stand idly by and let children be butchered.

Well,  I suppose your including me so why don't we just get straight to the nut cutting. Just how many tours in Vietnam did you do. How many fire fights were you in, how many goods did you kill, or were you one of those in the rear with the gear? Or did you even finish you sign up?

You're ranting on sumthin you don't know a damn thing about, and you're armchair quarterbackin an event based on television reports. Your an "A Typical" that done your little career in the private sector and may or may not have joined the local volunteer fire dept.  ;)

I think when this investigation is completed your gonna need a doctor to get that big foot out of your mouth.

I'm gonna give'em the benefit of the doubt and let the Texas Rangers do their job.
I did not go to nam.
When I finished my training as a loadmaster on C-130s (that was my job at Delta Airlines) I went for my physical for deployment and a crooked spine was discovered.  I'm now nearly crippled.
We are all armchair quarterbacks.   Look at the posts of any member.

Would you have taken the initiative and tried to save the children??
Or would you have stood around outside and counted gun shots??
If you had done the first, you would be a hero in my eyes.
If you had done the second, you would be a coward like the rest.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015%3A13&version=KJV

I would never forgive myself if I didn't try ANYTHING to save children from being murdered.

The pictures of the scene outside showed cops with ARs and armored vehicles and quasi-military troops who like to dress up in battle gear and play soldier but are too chicken to go up against a 18yo kid.

Once again, if you're scared, get a different job.

Question; what's the purpose of a cop??

Like I said. You're talking about something you don't know a damn thing about. You're one of those TV commandos that watch edited film snippets and declare cowardice on very little information.
You've never seen combat, you've never pinned on a badge and answered any kind of a call, but your one of those that knows what should been done. That wide screen in your living room tells you everything you need to know about shoulda, coulda, woulda, and what YOU would done, and calling officers cowards.
You've never done anything remotely simular, but by god you'd a done it right. BS!.::)
I just watched an interview of a retired former swat commander from L.A. who didn't use the word coward, but, he said he would have ignored orders and went in to SAVE CHILDREN.
And, the border patrol was told to stand down but they decided to heck with orders and they went in and killed the shooter.
Those were real men doing the job they signed on to do and they did it at their peril.  GOD bless them.
I've seen enough videos of the cops standing around sipping water (must have been hot where they were) while CHILDREN DIED.
I guess it's more important to follow orders to the letter to protect their retirement rather than go save CHILDREN'S LIVES.

I guess I couldn't be a cop because I have a heart and care about people, especially CHILDREN.
And, IMO, a person, cop or not, who doesn't try to save CHILDREN is a COWARD.

You have your opinion and I have mine but I can lay my head down tonight and rest knowing I didn't let a CHILD die.
And, I know that cops have this flag defacing brotherhood where they will stand around and watch their fellow cops break the law and with few exceptions will not say a word.

Let's use George Floyd as an example, the younger cop who the arrest belonged to suggested that Floyd be turned on his side so he could breath, a nurse and a martial arts fellow both were yelling that Chauvin was killing him.
And the young cop and the two other cops, all of who had been trained that you turn them on their side, stood by and allowed Chauvin to kill Floyd.  They sacrificed a human being to save their jobs.
And before anyone yells about floyd being a doper and a crook, remember that as long as a person is drawing breath there's a chance that he/she will come to GOD.
WWJD

Yeah, you can lay your head down cause you've never let a child die, because you've never stepped up. You just prop yourself up in front of your flat-screen and criticize, and fanticize. You're "a never did" much, that never put yourself in harms way. You talk a tough game, but you never played it. Any officer there did more than you've ever done.

Now I'm done with this, your a waste of time, and wouldn't make a pimple on a police officers' ass.
Yeah let's stick by them and brag on them, THEY STOOD IDLY BY WHILE CHILDREN DIED.
If THEY had stepped up some children would have been saved.  THEY have blood on their hands.

The border patrol borrowed a key, opened the door and killed the murderer.
they made the rest of the cops look bad.
Those cops had no balls or they would have told the chief to kick rocks and they would have gone in and killed the guy themselves.
But, their jobs out weighed the lives of CHILDREN.

And, since you refuse to say what you would have done, and you still take up for cowards, I'm sure you would have stood with them and counted gun shots.   Bang, haha another kid got it.  Bang, bang,  haha there's two more dead ones.
Hey fellows, this is better than the movies.

WWJD ??   Answer is you can.
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23870
  • Gender: Male
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #88 on: May 27, 2022, 05:08:53 PM »
its the guns fault. The police were cowards?? My guess is this is all just a smoke screen by the left to deflect from the real truth. What caused this is the moral decay the liberals have brought to this country. It started with the clintons and really got rolling under obama and has become epidemic under biden. They are going to push any narrative that gets them votes. We have police today, and this might very well be an example of it, that are afraid to act because when its over some leftist will twist what they did into a crime and put them in jail. Does george floyd ring a bell??? I wont arm chair quarterback what trained law enforcement did or guess on what there orders and policys are. Its easy to judge when your sitting at home and nobodys shooting at you. Me? ill give them the benefit of the doubt. They at least had the balls to put there lives on the line every day for us. What have you judgers done? Saddens me that people HERE will jump to judgement against our police officers and border patrol. What chance do they have if even the right is willing to hang them out to dry before the facts are even in. This is the last place id expect that trash.

Agreed Lloyd. There is slightly less than 700 thousand police officers nationwide In a country with some 320 million folks, and under current conditions the number of police officers is shrinking,  and rightly so.

With so many rumors, and misinformation flying around, along with unashamed politics in play the police are already the bad guys.

The Texas Rangers have a reputation of sifting through the garbage and coming up with the facts. I'm gonna opt for facts instead of wild accusations, and surmising.

In the end, dead cops don't save anybody.
I don't know how many cops were there, but I saw a bunch walking around with ARs or equivalent.
There's many 17 and 18 year old kids who sign up for the military knowing they could be put in harms way and possibly lose their life.   They do it willingly, they will charge the enemy because it's their job.
Why do cops become cops??  Is it so they can strut around with a badge and gun, stopping motorists and making money for their agency??    Is it so they can blame protocol for standing around while children die??
If they are scared, get a different job.

I was sworn in on my 17th birthday knowing I would probably end up in Vietnam.
Why do cops wear guns if they are too scared to use them against a bad guy with a gun??
Why don't we just fire all regular cops and just have a few detectives who show up and examine the carnage and count the dead children and say, we sure could use some cops with guts.

I feel very strong about protecting children beginning with those in the womb, and IN MY OPINION GOD will not forgive me if I stand idly by and let children be butchered.

Well,  I suppose your including me so why don't we just get straight to the nut cutting. Just how many tours in Vietnam did you do. How many fire fights were you in, how many goods did you kill, or were you one of those in the rear with the gear? Or did you even finish you sign up?

You're ranting on sumthin you don't know a damn thing about, and you're armchair quarterbackin an event based on television reports. Your an "A Typical" that done your little career in the private sector and may or may not have joined the local volunteer fire dept.  ;)

I think when this investigation is completed your gonna need a doctor to get that big foot out of your mouth.

I'm gonna give'em the benefit of the doubt and let the Texas Rangers do their job.
I did not go to nam.
When I finished my training as a loadmaster on C-130s (that was my job at Delta Airlines) I went for my physical for deployment and a crooked spine was discovered.  I'm now nearly crippled.
We are all armchair quarterbacks.   Look at the posts of any member.

Would you have taken the initiative and tried to save the children??
Or would you have stood around outside and counted gun shots??
If you had done the first, you would be a hero in my eyes.
If you had done the second, you would be a coward like the rest.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015%3A13&version=KJV

I would never forgive myself if I didn't try ANYTHING to save children from being murdered.

The pictures of the scene outside showed cops with ARs and armored vehicles and quasi-military troops who like to dress up in battle gear and play soldier but are too chicken to go up against a 18yo kid.

Once again, if you're scared, get a different job.

Question; what's the purpose of a cop??

Like I said. You're talking about something you don't know a damn thing about. You're one of those TV commandos that watch edited film snippets and declare cowardice on very little information.
You've never seen combat, you've never pinned on a badge and answered any kind of a call, but your one of those that knows what should been done. That wide screen in your living room tells you everything you need to know about shoulda, coulda, woulda, and what YOU would done, and calling officers cowards.
You've never done anything remotely simular, but by god you'd a done it right. BS!.::)
I just watched an interview of a retired former swat commander from L.A. who didn't use the word coward, but, he said he would have ignored orders and went in to SAVE CHILDREN.
And, the border patrol was told to stand down but they decided to heck with orders and they went in and killed the shooter.
Those were real men doing the job they signed on to do and they did it at their peril.  GOD bless them.
I've seen enough videos of the cops standing around sipping water (must have been hot where they were) while CHILDREN DIED.
I guess it's more important to follow orders to the letter to protect their retirement rather than go save CHILDREN'S LIVES.

I guess I couldn't be a cop because I have a heart and care about people, especially CHILDREN.
And, IMO, a person, cop or not, who doesn't try to save CHILDREN is a COWARD.

You have your opinion and I have mine but I can lay my head down tonight and rest knowing I didn't let a CHILD die.
And, I know that cops have this flag defacing brotherhood where they will stand around and watch their fellow cops break the law and with few exceptions will not say a word.

Let's use George Floyd as an example, the younger cop who the arrest belonged to suggested that Floyd be turned on his side so he could breath, a nurse and a martial arts fellow both were yelling that Chauvin was killing him.
And the young cop and the two other cops, all of who had been trained that you turn them on their side, stood by and allowed Chauvin to kill Floyd.  They sacrificed a human being to save their jobs.
And before anyone yells about floyd being a doper and a crook, remember that as long as a person is drawing breath there's a chance that he/she will come to GOD.
WWJD

Yeah, you can lay your head down cause you've never let a child die, because you've never stepped up. You just prop yourself up in front of your flat-screen and criticize, and fanticize. You're "a never did" much, that never put yourself in harms way. You talk a tough game, but you never played it. Any officer there did more than you've ever done.

Now I'm done with this, your a waste of time, and wouldn't make a pimple on a police officers' ass.
Yeah let's stick by them and brag on them, THEY STOOD IDLY BY WHILE CHILDREN DIED.
If THEY had stepped up some children would have been saved.  THEY have blood on their hands.

The border patrol borrowed a key, opened the door and killed the murderer.
they made the rest of the cops look bad.
Those cops had no balls or they would have told the chief to kick rocks and they would have gone in and killed the guy themselves.
But, their jobs out weighed the lives of CHILDREN.

And, since you refuse to say what you would have done, and you still take up for cowards, I'm sure you would have stood with them and counted gun shots.   Bang, haha another kid got it.  Bang, bang,  haha there's two more dead ones.
Hey fellows, this is better than the movies.

WWJD ??   Answer is you can.

blah blah blah blah hurray for the Flat screen "Combat Commando"! Hes so tuff you can rake it off him with a hoe. "Bless his heart" ::)

You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

Offline Ranger99

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9581
Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #89 on: May 27, 2022, 05:17:20 PM »
Lots of people on lots of forums geared
up and ready to do some door breaching
and kick ass.
I still haven't heard anyone explain how
that the police are going to keep from
shooting a parent that rushed inside,
or that a startled parent is going to
avoid shooting an officer by mistake.

I've sure been flamed a bunch by
people that said they didn't GAS and
would be busting through any police
lines and retrieving their kids and
anybody else could suck mud.
What should happen to a parent that
shoots a teacher or a school administrator
or some other students or a police officer?
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .