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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #90 on: May 27, 2022, 05:30:12 PM »
Lots of people on lots of forums geared
up and ready to do some door breaching
and kick ass.
I still haven't heard anyone explain how
that the police are going to keep from
shooting a parent that rushed inside,
or that a startled parent is going to
avoid shooting an officer by mistake.

I've sure been flamed a bunch by
people that said they didn't GAS and
would be busting through any police
lines and retrieving their kids and
anybody else could suck mud.
What should happen to a parent that
shoots a teacher or a school administrator
or some other students or a police officer?

They bloviate and bitch about things they never had the guts to do themselves.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #91 on: May 27, 2022, 09:54:06 PM »
have to agree. Opinions from people who never had bullets flying by there heads doesn't mean much to me.  It aint no John Wayne movie and theres nothing heroic or romantic about it. Its (censored word) scary. The scariest thing you will ever encounter. If i was there to really judge what happened maybe id comment but i was a couple thousand miles away safe in my home watching tv. If careers are destroyed over this one thing that will ring true is that the liberals will be the push behind it. Like dee said the ones that didnt have the balls themselves. The same ones that opened our borders and swamped the local police and border patrol officers with crap they should have to be dealing with. Maybe then they would have arrived in force 10 minutes earlier and saved more lives. Our police in this country are under constant attack. Just look at the bs orders biden just put to paper in front of george floyds family. Every police officer in this country has to live with the fear not only that they will be shot but that if they take action they might end up in prison because they shot someone who isnt white. Put the blame where it belongs. Not on some cop whos 21 years old and has had piss poor training because theres no money to train them and probably makes 25 bucks a hour to put there life on the line for YOU.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #92 on: May 28, 2022, 01:31:25 AM »
have to agree. Opinions from people who never had bullets flying by there heads doesn't mean much to me.  It aint no John Wayne movie and theres nothing heroic or romantic about it. Its (censored word) scary. The scariest thing you will ever encounter. If i was there to really judge what happened maybe id comment but i was a couple thousand miles away safe in my home watching tv. If careers are destroyed over this one thing that will ring true is that the liberals will be the push behind it. Like dee said the ones that didnt have the balls themselves. The same ones that opened our borders and swamped the local police and border patrol officers with crap they should have to be dealing with. Maybe then they would have arrived in force 10 minutes earlier and saved more lives. Our police in this country are under constant attack. Just look at the bs orders biden just put to paper in front of george floyds family. Every police officer in this country has to live with the fear not only that they will be shot but that if they take action they might end up in prison because they shot someone who isnt white. Put the blame where it belongs. Not on some cop whos 21 years old and has had piss poor training because theres no money to train them and probably makes 25 bucks a hour to put there life on the line for YOU.

Pretty much agreed. I wasn't there. I don't know what the officers inside the school were seeing,  or what they were hearing to cause them to wait before entering. Nobody knows but them.

A teacher proped an outside door open that unintentionally allowed the shooter easy access. . Was this whole thing her fault? It was a mistake, and she paid with her life, but she committed a human error. Should we blame her?

The school was declared a "gun free zone" i.e. a soft target. No high fences, unsecured doors and windows,  and it was A SCHOOL THAT REFUSED "THE GUARDIAN PLAN" A TEXAS LAW THAT ALLOWS TEACHERS AND STAFF TO BE TRAINED AND ARMED IN CLASS, AND AT ALL SCHOOL ACTIVITIES.
Was it the Uvalde school boards fault for refusing the program? MAYBE.

WITH ALL THE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, WHY DID THIS SCHOOL REJECT THIS LAW THAT WAS ENACTED SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-schools-can-already-arm-teachers-politicians-may-push-for-more-after-uvalde-tragedy/ar-AAXJj0v

Mistakes by arriving officers were made no doubt, but I don't think it had anything to do with integrity, or courage.

One on scene officer lost his wife in that shooting, and another lost his 10 year old daughter. I don't think for a second that they would have intentionally stood down if they knew how it was going to end.

Until the investigation is complete know one will know why things were done the way they were done, but I'm sure they'll be plenty of blame to go around.
But, it will be placed where it belongs, and a mistake, is not necessarily fault.

In these types of tragedies there's almost always a lynch mob, with its leaders screaming for vengeance, but when the heavy lifting was being done, and the dust finally settles, they were, and are, no where to be found.

In the end, the blame, all of it, should be on THE SHOOTER.


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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #93 on: May 28, 2022, 02:37:15 AM »
I appreciated Dee posting what the local news said, perhaps they are not so twisted up in the anti-gun rhetoric, so they can at least think straight ! 
  As one may suspect, the first one to get to the WHOLE story, would be Tucker Carlson...the man the lefties want to crush !

  What the national media seems to overlook:
   The grandma killings, the car chase and the gun play..are the symptoms of deeper problems.  Other questions could be asked..
   
  1) Does the kid spend many hours, playing violent video games?


  2) Does he perhaps have divorced parents who are fighting..and keep drawing him into it.. Or
   perhaps have parents who both have ignored him..leaving him with grandma?

  3) Is the school pumping him full of mind-bending drugs?

  4) Is he one who like the recent Buffalo shooter, who posted on line, his joy at executing a cat
    by beheading ?

  5) Has he been showing extreme tendancies that somebody should have caught, and helped him?

    So many questions...and it seems, only one stupid "answer" so far....
 

     "Take away everyone's constitutional rights" !

  It looks like what I posted on page one, may be closer to the truth.  When asked, the shooter's mother said...'he had his reasons" !

  I guess I am missing something, but I cannot find any reasonable reason why 19 innocent little children should be cut down.
   https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/27/mother-of-the-uvalde-elementary-school-shooter-said-he-had-his-reasons/

     Todayon Newsmax, we are informed that of the 4 resource officers who are paid to cover the Uvalde schools, was not there that day... a teacher propped security door open. 2 minutes before the
 shooter entered the school...two who "dropped the ball"..at a very high price.

    So far as police tactics on the spot..too early to make assessments.  ..But keep in mind, wherever and whenever police are called to a scene, there will be a "woke" community member there with their cell phone camera...tryingto record the tiniest mistake..or edit a film to "make" a mistake.

  Is it possible that just such creeps and the media that backs them...have caused the responding police agencies to be unnecessarily concerned with such trouble seekers , thus delaying entry?
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #94 on: May 28, 2022, 02:53:49 AM »
I appreciated Dee posting what the local news said, perhaps they are not so twisted up in the anti-gun rhetoric, so they can at least think straight ! 
  As one may suspect, the first one to get to the WHOLE story, would be Tucker Carlson...the man the lefties want to crush !

  What the national media seems to overlook:
   The grandma killings, the car chase and the gun play..are the symptoms of deeper problems.  Other questions could be asked..
   
  1) Does the kid spend many hours, playing violent video games?


  2) Does he perhaps have divorced parents who are fighting..and keep drawing him into it.. Or
   perhaps have parents who both have ignored him..leaving him with grandma?

  3) Is the school pumping him full of mind-bending drugs?

  4) Is he one who like the recent Buffalo shooter, who posted on line, his joy at executing a cat
    by beheading ?

  5) Has he been showing extreme tendancies that somebody should have caught, and helped him?

    So many questions...and it seems, only one stupid "answer" so far....
 

     "Take away everyone's constitutional rights" !

  It looks like what I posted on page one, may be closer to the truth.  When asked, the shooter's mother said...'he had his reasons" !

  I guess I am missing something, but I cannot find any reasonable reason why 19 innocent little children should be cut down.
   https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/27/mother-of-the-uvalde-elementary-school-shooter-said-he-had-his-reasons/

     Todayon Newsmax, we are informed that of the 4 resource officers who are paid to cover the Uvalde schools, was not there that day... a teacher propped security door open. 2 minutes before the
 shooter entered the school...two who "dropped the ball"..at a very high price.

    So far as police tactics on the spot..too early to make assessments.  ..But keep in mind, wherever and whenever police are called to a scene, there will be a "woke" community member there with their cell phone camera...tryingto record the tiniest mistake..or edit a film to "make" a mistake.

  Is it possible that just such creeps and the media that backs them...have caused the responding police agencies to be unnecessarily concerned with such trouble seekers , thus delaying entry?
I myself doubt officers were concerned with cell phone liberals. They were handed a crap sandwich and were trying to correctly digest it.

The school was a security disaster to start with, and the situation was already out of control before the police got there.

I personally have never been called out on a situation of that magnitude. Life and death yes, but a scene involving that many people would be a nightmare just to access.

I don't judge police officers for fights I wasn't in, so I'm gonna wait until the investigation is completed. Then, and only then, will the facts be known, and in their proper place.

Also, to your speculation on why weren't "one of these FOUR school liason officers" at the school? They "dropped the ball" you say. You speculate with a lack of information, based on TV commentary. i.e You base your opinion on ignorance of facts.

The Uvalde school district consists of "EIGHT" schools. FOUR OFFICERS FOR "EIGHT" SCHOOLS. Through ignorance of facts, you become part of the "coffee shop lynch mob".

People speculate and look for fault with no "real information", on things they know nuthin about.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #95 on: May 28, 2022, 03:13:31 AM »
This is how a small Texas town about fifty miles from here handle student security. THEY took advantage of Texas" SCHOOL GUARDIAN PLAN.



https://www.newschannel10.com/story/32568421/claudes-new-school-sign-gives-visitors-a-direct-warning/

UVALDE,  AND EVERY OTHER SCHOOL IN TEXAS HAS THIS AVAILABLE TO THEM,  AND THE TRAINING IS FREE. ;)
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #96 on: May 28, 2022, 04:11:24 AM »
Following are a couple articles from the Federalist.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/27/in-uvalde-a-picture-is-emerging-of-extreme-cowardice-and-incompetence-among-local-police/

In Uvalde, A Picture Is Emerging Of Extreme Cowardice And Incompetence Among Local Police
By: John Daniel Davidson
May 27, 2022

The fallout from Uvalde is revealing total incompetence, lying, bureaucratic self-protection, and rank cowardice on the part of local police.
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As more details emerge about the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, it’s becoming hard not to conclude the worst about the local police response: Uvalde cops apparently stood aside and did nothing while the shooter killed 19 school children and two teachers inside a classroom.

A shocking news conference on Friday revealed that more than an hour passed after the shooting began and before an elite team of Border Patrol agents, whom Uvalde police had prevented from storming the classroom earlier, decided to ignore those orders and confront the gunman, ending the massacre.

During this time, about 78 minutes, as many as 19 police officers were reportedly in the hallway outside the classroom, while multiple students inside the classroom called 911 begging for the police to be sent in. But none came.

At the news conference, Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said the on-scene commander mistakenly believed that the shooter had barricaded himself in the classroom and that “there were no kids at risk,” which is just a euphemism for believing that all the kids in the classroom had already been killed. Pressed on this by reporters in a series of tense exchanges, McCraw at one point said, “From the benefit of hindsight where I’m sitting now, of course it was not the right decision. It was the wrong decision. Period.”

Who made that decision? McCraw said that the on-scene commander was the chief of police of the Uvalde school district, a man named Pete Arredondo. Chief Arredondo was not at the press conference, and no one has heard from him since Tuesday.

How Chief Arredondo could have possibly concluded that there were no children at risk and that this was not an “active shooter situation,” while 911 calls were coming from kids inside the classroom with the shooter, is perhaps the central question that needs to be answered. On Friday, McCraw detailed some of those harrowing 911 calls. Keep in mind that during these calls the local police stood outside and did nothing.

    A caller identified — I will not say her name, but she was in room 112 — called 911 at 12:03. The duration of the call, was 1 minute and 23 seconds. She identified herself and whispered she’s in room 112.

    At 12:10, she called back, in room 112, advised there are multiple dead.

    At 12:13, again, she called on the phone.

    Again at 12:16, she’s called back and said there was eight to nine students alive.

    At 12:19, a 911 call was made, and another person in room 111 called. I will not say her name. She hung up when another student told her to hang up.

    At 12:21, you could hear over the 911 call that three shots were fired.

    At 12:36, a 911 call, it lasted for 21 seconds. The initial caller called back. The student-child called back, and was told to stay on the line and be very quiet. She told 911 that he shot the door.

    At approximately 12:43 and 12:47, she asked 911 to please send the police now.

    At 12:46, she said she not could not—— that she could hear the police next door.

    At 12:50, shots are fired, they can be heard over the 911 call.

    At 12:51, it’s very loud, and sounds like officers are moving children out of the room. At that time, the first child that called was outside before the call cuts off.

The following exchange, between a reporter and McCraw at the press conference Friday, is absolutely damning. If it doesn’t result in the forced disbandment of the Uvalde Police Department, it should at least result in the firing of Chief Arredondo and every officer who was in that hallway but made no effort to save those kids:

All this comes as news reports in recent days, along with video footage posted to social media, have detailed how desperate parents gathered outside the school during the shooting and demanded that police officers there go in and engage the shooter.

One woman, Angeli Rose Gomez, a mother whose two children were inside the school, was apparently handcuffed by police for insisting they take action. When she eventually talked her way out of the handcuffs she sprinted into the school, found her kids, and rescued them herself. That was after she drove 40 miles from her workplace after she heard about the shooting.

“The police were doing nothing,” Gomez told The Wall Street Journal. “They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere.”

More details are sure to emerge in the coming days, but so far it appears that local police acted with extreme cowardice and incompetence, and as a direct result of the decisions made by Chief Arredondo, an unknown number of schoolchildren were killed who might otherwise have been saved.

At the very least, McCraw and the other top law enforcement officials need to have clear answers about what happened, and why, the next time they get in front of the cameras. If they don’t, they’d better be drafting their letters of resignation right now.






Uvalde Proves We Can’t Keep Outsourcing Our Kids’ Safety To A Cowardly Bureaucracy
By: Jordan Boyd
May 27, 2022
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https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-proves-we-cant-keep-outsourcing-our-kids-safety-to-a-cowardly-bureaucracy/

While Albarado risked his life to save his family, law enforcement officers waited outside of the school where kids were being slaughtered.
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When off-duty U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent Jacob Albarado got a text from his wife, a fourth-grade teacher at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, stating that an active shooter had entered the building where she taught and their daughter attends second grade, he acted immediately.

“There’s an active shooter,” Trisha Albarado wrote, according to The New York Times. “Help.”

“I love you,” she added.

At the time of the chilling text, Albarado was receiving a haircut. Knowing he had no time to waste, Albarado borrowed his barber’s shotgun and rushed to the school where he developed a plan with a few other law enforcement officers to evacuate his daughter, wife, and other students and staff who were holed up in bathrooms and classrooms.

“I did what I was trained to do,” Albarado told the Times.

There’s a growing push on the left to surrender children to “the community.” For years, Democrats and the corporate media have preached that the government and its institutions such as schools should make decisions about kids for parents. They want parents to stay out of the debate over radical curricula and encourage teachers to go behind guardians’ backs to call kids by different names and label them a different sex.

There’s a time and a place for “it takes a village” in child-rearing, but in the case of Uvalde, those institutions that are supposed to protect some of the most innocent lives in society miserably failed, proving that the only thing that can love, sacrifice, and protect your kids to the fullest extent is you.

While Albarado risked his life to save his family and dozens of children, law enforcement officers, sworn to protect the community at all costs, waited outside of the school building where they knew kids were being slaughtered.

They had apparently already tried to approach the afflicted classroom once, more than 15 minutes after the shooter crashed his car outside of the elementary school and entered through an apparently propped-open door, but retreated after taking fire, a direct violation of active shooter training.

According to Texas Department of Public Safety Lt. Chris Olivarez, officers backed away because “they could have been shot.”

Reports indicate that the shooter remained inside the school, periodically firing at students and staff, for upwards of 40 minutes while officers fended off and reportedly even handcuffed parents outside who urged police to enter the school.

Angeli Rose Gomez, a mother of a second- and third-grader at Robb Elementary, told The Wall Street Journal she drove 40 miles to the school after she heard the news of the shooting only to get handcuffed when she urged police officers to intervene. Gomez said she wasn’t the only parent detained for trying to save her children.

“She said she saw a father tackled and thrown to the ground by police and a third pepper-sprayed,” WSJ reported.

After she was released, Gomez “jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them.”

It wasn’t until 12:45 p.m. that a Border Patrol tactical unit arrived at the scene to shoot and kill the suspect.

We can’t count on cowardly bureaucracies that handcuff mothers and fathers of kid hostages to have the same vested interest in children as their parents do. The government didn’t jump to beat down the doors of the school to protect 19 innocent children and two adults from the harms of this world, but mothers and fathers tried to.

Children do not belong to schools, the government, or society. They belong to courageous parents like Albarado who did everything in his power to protect his family and the children at his daughter’s school, while others watched from the sideline.

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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #97 on: May 28, 2022, 05:12:19 AM »
Well DEE, DDZ posted two very good articles about the police in Uvalde.
Are you going to call him ugly names??

WWJD??  You still haven't answered this question.

Here's a very short video that tells the truth.  especially at the end with the flag.
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« Reply #98 on: May 28, 2022, 05:26:12 AM »
Those are chilling articles, and I haven't seen anything to the contrary aside from a sister of one of the officers that was defending her brother.

If those accounts are even half-truths there is no defending what those officers did.  One thing is undisputable, the timeline.  It wasn't split second reactions here, it was over an hour where they did nothing but let children die.  Assuming they are all dead is a disgusting excuse.

And the question about possibly shooting a father is obscene.  First off that is a risk any father would gladly take, secondly do you think he's just going to stand there inside a classroom, doubtfully - he'd run her out of there any way he could just like that mother did, thirdly - considering he wouldn't be carrying an AR and wouldn't be physically hurting the girl the officer would have far more than a split second to react.   This is what they are trained for, and they failed miserably.   There is a chance for innocent casualties in lots of scenarios, that does not give an excuse to do nothing.
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« Reply #99 on: May 28, 2022, 05:30:20 AM »
Police and soldiers do have to charge into the fight. That being said it is best to formulate a plan first. Taking too long to formulate a plan here was the issue.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #100 on: May 28, 2022, 06:07:31 AM »
Those are chilling articles, and I haven't seen anything to the contrary aside from a sister of one of the officers that was defending her brother.

If those accounts are even half-truths there is no defending what those officers did.  One thing is undisputable, the timeline.  It wasn't split second reactions here, it was over an hour where they did nothing but let children die.  Assuming they are all dead is a disgusting excuse.

And the question about possibly shooting a father is obscene.  First off that is a risk any father would gladly take, secondly do you think he's just going to stand there inside a classroom, doubtfully - he'd run her out of there any way he could just like that mother did, thirdly - considering he wouldn't be carrying an AR and wouldn't be physically hurting the girl the officer would have far more than a split second to react.   This is what they are trained for, and they failed miserably.   There is a chance for innocent casualties in lots of scenarios, that does not give an excuse to do nothing.
Good post
This reminded me of the deputy at the Florida school shooting, a coward.
And Billy made a good post about how cops and soldiers are supposed to run toward the gunfire.

I try to ask this question when I have to make hard decisions, WWJD??
JESUS came to save us knowing he would be scourged and murdered but he did it willingly.
WE need to be willing to save innocent children.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #101 on: May 28, 2022, 06:36:38 AM »
Following are a couple articles from the Federalist.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/27/in-uvalde-a-picture-is-emerging-of-extreme-cowardice-and-incompetence-among-local-police/

In Uvalde, A Picture Is Emerging Of Extreme Cowardice And Incompetence Among Local Police
By: John Daniel Davidson
May 27, 2022

The fallout from Uvalde is revealing total incompetence, lying, bureaucratic self-protection, and rank cowardice on the part of local police.
Author John Daniel Davidson profile
John Daniel Davidson

   
As more details emerge about the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, it’s becoming hard not to conclude the worst about the local police response: Uvalde cops apparently stood aside and did nothing while the shooter killed 19 school children and two teachers inside a classroom.

A shocking news conference on Friday revealed that more than an hour passed after the shooting began and before an elite team of Border Patrol agents, whom Uvalde police had prevented from storming the classroom earlier, decided to ignore those orders and confront the gunman, ending the massacre.

During this time, about 78 minutes, as many as 19 police officers were reportedly in the hallway outside the classroom, while multiple students inside the classroom called 911 begging for the police to be sent in. But none came.

At the news conference, Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said the on-scene commander mistakenly believed that the shooter had barricaded himself in the classroom and that “there were no kids at risk,” which is just a euphemism for believing that all the kids in the classroom had already been killed. Pressed on this by reporters in a series of tense exchanges, McCraw at one point said, “From the benefit of hindsight where I’m sitting now, of course it was not the right decision. It was the wrong decision. Period.”

Who made that decision? McCraw said that the on-scene commander was the chief of police of the Uvalde school district, a man named Pete Arredondo. Chief Arredondo was not at the press conference, and no one has heard from him since Tuesday.

How Chief Arredondo could have possibly concluded that there were no children at risk and that this was not an “active shooter situation,” while 911 calls were coming from kids inside the classroom with the shooter, is perhaps the central question that needs to be answered. On Friday, McCraw detailed some of those harrowing 911 calls. Keep in mind that during these calls the local police stood outside and did nothing.

    A caller identified — I will not say her name, but she was in room 112 — called 911 at 12:03. The duration of the call, was 1 minute and 23 seconds. She identified herself and whispered she’s in room 112.

    At 12:10, she called back, in room 112, advised there are multiple dead.

    At 12:13, again, she called on the phone.

    Again at 12:16, she’s called back and said there was eight to nine students alive.

    At 12:19, a 911 call was made, and another person in room 111 called. I will not say her name. She hung up when another student told her to hang up.

    At 12:21, you could hear over the 911 call that three shots were fired.

    At 12:36, a 911 call, it lasted for 21 seconds. The initial caller called back. The student-child called back, and was told to stay on the line and be very quiet. She told 911 that he shot the door.

    At approximately 12:43 and 12:47, she asked 911 to please send the police now.

    At 12:46, she said she not could not—— that she could hear the police next door.

    At 12:50, shots are fired, they can be heard over the 911 call.

    At 12:51, it’s very loud, and sounds like officers are moving children out of the room. At that time, the first child that called was outside before the call cuts off.

The following exchange, between a reporter and McCraw at the press conference Friday, is absolutely damning. If it doesn’t result in the forced disbandment of the Uvalde Police Department, it should at least result in the firing of Chief Arredondo and every officer who was in that hallway but made no effort to save those kids:

All this comes as news reports in recent days, along with video footage posted to social media, have detailed how desperate parents gathered outside the school during the shooting and demanded that police officers there go in and engage the shooter.

One woman, Angeli Rose Gomez, a mother whose two children were inside the school, was apparently handcuffed by police for insisting they take action. When she eventually talked her way out of the handcuffs she sprinted into the school, found her kids, and rescued them herself. That was after she drove 40 miles from her workplace after she heard about the shooting.

“The police were doing nothing,” Gomez told The Wall Street Journal. “They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere.”

More details are sure to emerge in the coming days, but so far it appears that local police acted with extreme cowardice and incompetence, and as a direct result of the decisions made by Chief Arredondo, an unknown number of schoolchildren were killed who might otherwise have been saved.

At the very least, McCraw and the other top law enforcement officials need to have clear answers about what happened, and why, the next time they get in front of the cameras. If they don’t, they’d better be drafting their letters of resignation right now.






Uvalde Proves We Can’t Keep Outsourcing Our Kids’ Safety To A Cowardly Bureaucracy
By: Jordan Boyd
May 27, 2022
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https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-proves-we-cant-keep-outsourcing-our-kids-safety-to-a-cowardly-bureaucracy/

While Albarado risked his life to save his family, law enforcement officers waited outside of the school where kids were being slaughtered.
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When off-duty U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent Jacob Albarado got a text from his wife, a fourth-grade teacher at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, stating that an active shooter had entered the building where she taught and their daughter attends second grade, he acted immediately.

“There’s an active shooter,” Trisha Albarado wrote, according to The New York Times. “Help.”

“I love you,” she added.

At the time of the chilling text, Albarado was receiving a haircut. Knowing he had no time to waste, Albarado borrowed his barber’s shotgun and rushed to the school where he developed a plan with a few other law enforcement officers to evacuate his daughter, wife, and other students and staff who were holed up in bathrooms and classrooms.

“I did what I was trained to do,” Albarado told the Times.

There’s a growing push on the left to surrender children to “the community.” For years, Democrats and the corporate media have preached that the government and its institutions such as schools should make decisions about kids for parents. They want parents to stay out of the debate over radical curricula and encourage teachers to go behind guardians’ backs to call kids by different names and label them a different sex.

There’s a time and a place for “it takes a village” in child-rearing, but in the case of Uvalde, those institutions that are supposed to protect some of the most innocent lives in society miserably failed, proving that the only thing that can love, sacrifice, and protect your kids to the fullest extent is you.

While Albarado risked his life to save his family and dozens of children, law enforcement officers, sworn to protect the community at all costs, waited outside of the school building where they knew kids were being slaughtered.

They had apparently already tried to approach the afflicted classroom once, more than 15 minutes after the shooter crashed his car outside of the elementary school and entered through an apparently propped-open door, but retreated after taking fire, a direct violation of active shooter training.

According to Texas Department of Public Safety Lt. Chris Olivarez, officers backed away because “they could have been shot.”

Reports indicate that the shooter remained inside the school, periodically firing at students and staff, for upwards of 40 minutes while officers fended off and reportedly even handcuffed parents outside who urged police to enter the school.

Angeli Rose Gomez, a mother of a second- and third-grader at Robb Elementary, told The Wall Street Journal she drove 40 miles to the school after she heard the news of the shooting only to get handcuffed when she urged police officers to intervene. Gomez said she wasn’t the only parent detained for trying to save her children.

“She said she saw a father tackled and thrown to the ground by police and a third pepper-sprayed,” WSJ reported.

After she was released, Gomez “jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them.”

It wasn’t until 12:45 p.m. that a Border Patrol tactical unit arrived at the scene to shoot and kill the suspect.

We can’t count on cowardly bureaucracies that handcuff mothers and fathers of kid hostages to have the same vested interest in children as their parents do. The government didn’t jump to beat down the doors of the school to protect 19 innocent children and two adults from the harms of this world, but mothers and fathers tried to.

Children do not belong to schools, the government, or society. They belong to courageous parents like Albarado who did everything in his power to protect his family and the children at his daughter’s school, while others watched from the sideline.

Well DDZ, there are a lot of "I wasn't there but" articles from every news agency with a computer and a micrphone, but the truth remains that the news media wasn't there, and they, like much of the general public are quick to judge.

Ironglow posted a report from "Newsmax" which criticized the liason officers for not being AT THAT SCHOOL. Based on what "Newsmax" reported, ironglows conclusion was the two "on duty liason officers" DROPPED THE BALL.

What "Newsmax" didn't report was that The Uvalde Independent School District has EIGHT SCHOOLS IN THEIR DISTRICT, so ironglows synopsis of the two officers  "dropping the ball" kinda got flushed. Two officers for 8 schools.

Newsmax is just one in all the "I wasn't there" news agencies second guessing, and armchair quarterbacking the police, with incomplete, and mostly inaccurate information, which continues to feed "the coffee shop lynch mob" types.

The mistakes, and the truth will come out, and thats what will be what actually happened. This is still America, and your still innocent until proven otherwise, whether "the coffee shop lynch mob" likes or not.
 Until then, "the coffee shop lynch mob" whom have never been involved in anything remotely similar,  will continue to bluster, and bloviate, claiming to know protocols they've never seen.
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« Reply #102 on: May 28, 2022, 06:46:54 AM »
Having read the statement by the Texas DPS office describing what happened and the time lines involved all I can say is the entire police department need to be fired. It is hard for me to understand all the time wasted waiting around until a competent agency with some guts showed up to put an ending to the situation. I can see Uvalde being sued into non-existance over this affair.

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« Reply #103 on: May 28, 2022, 06:59:34 AM »
Having read the statement by the Texas DPS office describing what happened and the time lines involved all I can say is the entire police department need to be fired. It is hard for me to understand all the time wasted waiting around until a competent agency with some guts showed up to put an ending to the situation. I can see Uvalde being sued into non-existance over this affair.

Which is a far from complete investigation report, but given your determinations based that report, should the school failing to provide any type of security, by even leavin an outside door propped open, and refusing the "Guardian Plan" for even more security, do you think the entire Uvalde Independent School District should all be fired, and perhaps sued, or even prosecuted along with school administrators, faculty, and school board members ?
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« Reply #104 on: May 28, 2022, 08:17:55 AM »


.  The key to understanding these events is what happens during and around the first 24 hours.
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I suppose you've got a link concerning that 24 hour period.
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« Reply #105 on: May 28, 2022, 08:29:45 AM »
Questions,....
Why would the teacher prop open a door, and leave it propped open, when there was shooting in the parking lot? Then she was supposed to be shot dead in the school, and her husband died shortly after from a heart attack.


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That scenario got my ears up as well...
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« Reply #106 on: May 28, 2022, 09:05:03 AM »
Polk County Florida Sheriff Grady Judd Speaks On School Safety
Schools in Florida have by state law been mandated to harden their campuses, preventing shooter to ever getting to the children, or into school buildings, or classrooms.
Active shooters will be engaged "outside".

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« Reply #107 on: May 28, 2022, 09:47:18 AM »


Why do all these school massacres have the same template of authorities waiting around for the killings to happen?


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Because they become cops so they can strut around with a gun and badge and try to lord it over civilians.
But when a shooter is killing CHILDREN they turn chicken.

Only another chicken would take up for cops who let CHILDREN die.

Thank goodness that the border patrol has guts and told the chief to kick rocks and they went in and killed the murderer and no doubt saved some CHILDREN.   They are REAL men.

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« Reply #108 on: May 28, 2022, 09:58:03 AM »
The police action or like of action caused the death of children that day. The Chief of Police made the wrong call, and the officers followed his orders, and some lives were lost because of it. Protocol was not followed. This according to the Lt. Gov. of Texas. Thank God, the Border control agents said to hell with your orders and went in knowing they were facing possible death. They protected and served that day. Think about how many other children could have been saved if the police officers had done the same. Shame on them! They placed their lives above the lives of these children. Unexceptable! I waited for the facts to come out before responding on the forum. First so called facts are seldom really the facts. The facts are, the police in general were irresponsible in their actions.

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« Reply #109 on: May 28, 2022, 10:04:46 AM »
Lots of people on lots of forums geared
up and ready to do some door breaching
and kick ass.
I still haven't heard anyone explain how
that the police are going to keep from
shooting a parent that rushed inside,
or that a startled parent is going to
avoid shooting an officer by mistake.

I've sure been flamed a bunch by
people that said they didn't GAS and
would be busting through any police
lines and retrieving their kids and
anybody else could suck mud.
What should happen to a parent that
shoots a teacher or a school administrator
or some other students or a police officer?
The people were begging the cops to do something because CHILDREN were being murdered.
All the cops did was stop parents from being parents.
The parents had guts, the cops did not.
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« Reply #110 on: May 28, 2022, 10:10:12 AM »
Having read the statement by the Texas DPS office describing what happened and the time lines involved all I can say is the entire police department need to be fired. It is hard for me to understand all the time wasted waiting around until a competent agency with some guts showed up to put an ending to the situation. I can see Uvalde being sued into non-existance over this affair.

Which is a far from complete investigation report, but given your determinations based that report, should the school failing to provide any type of security, by even leavin an outside door propped open, and refusing the "Guardian Plan" for even more security, do you think the entire Uvalde Independent School District should all be fired, and perhaps sued, or even prosecuted along with school administrators, faculty, and school board members ?

I can see no way a "complete investigative report" can justify the local police standing around for over an hour with their thumb up their nether region while people are being killed. Serve and PROTECT apparently doesn't apply to the Uvalde police.

I think the school board, the school administrators, and the teacher that broke protocol and propped the door open should be shown the road. They failed in their duty to the students, teachers, and parents.

If you feel differently we will just have to disagree and with that I'm done and gone.

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« Reply #111 on: May 28, 2022, 10:13:34 AM »
The police action or like of action caused the death of children that day. The Chief of Police made the wrong call, and the officers followed his orders, and some lives were lost because of it. Protocol was not followed. This according to the Lt. Gov. of Texas. Thank God, the Border control agents said to hell with your orders and went in knowing they were facing possible death. They protected and served that day. Think about how many other children could have been saved if the police officers had done the same. Shame on them! They placed their lives above the lives of these children. Unexceptable! I waited for the facts to come out before responding on the forum. First so called facts are seldom really the facts. The facts are, the police in general were irresponsible in their actions.

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Excellent post.
Every word you said is the truth.
Our resident cop is taking up for the cowards and I’m thinking he’s just like them.
Both he and I have taken a stand, me for the CHILDREN he for the cowards.  Shameful.
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« Reply #112 on: May 28, 2022, 10:17:06 AM »
Dee, why haven’t you made personal attacks against the other folks who believe that the actions of the cops was shameful??
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« Reply #113 on: May 28, 2022, 10:31:36 AM »
OK, I've clicked and watched every link in this thread. I've searched extensively on both u-tube and Google and have yet to find a video that shows the school scene while the gunman was still inside and alive.

So I am asking those of you who are castigating the police officers who you claim were "standing around with their fingers up their asses" to show me a link, any link to video that was live when the shooter was still alive of those officers standing around doing nothing.

Sure I've found plenty of video of the scene long after the BP had killed him. In those, yes there are lots of cops standing around talking and looking to be doing nothing. But at that point there wasn't much that needed to be done.

So to any of you, yeah bugeye, especially you as  you are one of the most vocal on this point. Show me a link to video of the school at the time the shooter was still inside and alive and shooting that shows cops standing around doing nothing.

Mind you I'm not saying such video doesn't exist. I'm saying I've clicked every link in this thread and watched or read, I've searched extensively on both u-tube and Google and I personally am not able to find such a video.

So if that video doesn't exist and no one has provided a link if it does, how do you know what the cops were doing?

Yes I've seen the video from DPS and so yes I do believe what he says is true to the best of his knowledge as of the time he reported it. He says cops were standing around and didn't make a forced entry.

I've also heard that the final entry was made only after a key was retrieved to get thru the door. Are school doors that difficult to go thru these days? Would not a standard police battering ram do the job? Anyone know?

I'm not a cop, I've never been a cop and have never played one on TV. I've also never had any personal interaction with them in such a situation. So I have no first hand knowledge of what they are taught to do or what they should do.

I heard you guys on saying if your kids or someone else's kids were in danger you'd do what was needed regardless. Bold talk from a person who has never been in a position to have to make such a decision. I subscribe to the school of thought that says until it happens to you, you have no clue what you'd do and are merely speculating from false bravado.

I'm not taking up for the cops and am not a particular fan of cops in general. So don't think I'm making excuses. From what the DPS guy said I think they seem to have done a lousy job, plenty of time now to figure it all out and do what is needed to those guys who were there and did wrong if that's the case.

I want to see a link, from anyone, any source that shows the outside of school building while the shooter was alive and still inside that shows these cops standing around doing nothing that several of you have alluded to. Show it to me if you can. I want to see it.


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« Reply #114 on: May 28, 2022, 11:03:58 AM »
The ones the link I posted referenced was the ones inside the school outside the door as an active shooting was going on. This link with the Lt Gov. of Texas.
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« Reply #115 on: May 28, 2022, 11:04:13 AM »
Dee, why haven’t you made personal attacks against the other folks who believe that the actions of the cops was shameful??

Your always condemning people to hell, calling cops you don't know cowards, claiming you'd do this, or they shoulda done that, claiming to know what they should done, with no practical experience of your own, while insulting a profession that you know I was in.

They post articles by professional armchair quarterbacks, and TV commentary while your post name calling, and insults based TV snippets.

I on the other hand, have not really defended these cops, I've said let's see what the completed investigation says, while you base ALL of your name calling, and accusations on news snippets.

You've totally ignored the Uvalde Independent School districts failures on security,  and turning down programs offered by the  state. Where's your outrage, name calling, and bravado concerning their failures?

If the school district had hardened the school itself, and taken advantage of "The Guardian Plan" to train and arm teachers, which is FREE, this nightmare likely would never have happened in the 1st place.

Instead, you run your mouth hoping to irritate me, but your not. I've delt with dozens just like you, that the most dangerous thing you've ever done is break the speed limit, then bitch about the cop that wrote you the ticket.

I've said from the beginning when I started this thread that mistakes were obviously made. But the mistake don't necessarily equate to cowardice, or not caring, or even lack of integrity.

You never give people in these situations the benefit of the doubt. I have no respect for your kind. You judge on the flimsiest information within hours of the event.

You condemn long before all the facts are assembled. Yet YOUR not happy with my attitude toward you. You're one of those "coffee shop lynch mob" members that spend a lot a time talkin out your ass.

You claim to be Christian constantly, but you damn sure don't act like it when it comes to  professions you don't like, like cops. The same cops that keeps somebody from kickin your ass, and takin your crap.

Its like your little liberty or death montra on the bottom of your posts. That wouldn't be no big feat.

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« Reply #116 on: May 28, 2022, 11:07:25 AM »
OK, I've clicked and watched every link in this thread. I've searched extensively on both u-tube and Google and have yet to find a video that shows the school scene while the gunman was still inside and alive.

So I am asking those of you who are castigating the police officers who you claim were "standing around with their fingers up their asses" to show me a link, any link to video that was live when the shooter was still alive of those officers standing around doing nothing.

Sure I've found plenty of video of the scene long after the BP had killed him. In those, yes there are lots of cops standing around talking and looking to be doing nothing. But at that point there wasn't much that needed to be done.

So to any of you, yeah bugeye, especially you as  you are one of the most vocal on this point. Show me a link to video of the school at the time the shooter was still inside and alive and shooting that shows cops standing around doing nothing.

Mind you I'm not saying such video doesn't exist. I'm saying I've clicked every link in this thread and watched or read, I've searched extensively on both u-tube and Google and I personally am not able to find such a video.

So if that video doesn't exist and no one has provided a link if it does, how do you know what the cops were doing?

Yes I've seen the video from DPS and so yes I do believe what he says is true to the best of his knowledge as of the time he reported it. He says cops were standing around and didn't make a forced entry.

I've also heard that the final entry was made only after a key was retrieved to get thru the door. Are school doors that difficult to go thru these days? Would not a standard police battering ram do the job? Anyone know?

I'm not a cop, I've never been a cop and have never played one on TV. I've also never had any personal interaction with them in such a situation. So I have no first hand knowledge of what they are taught to do or what they should do.

I heard you guys on saying if your kids or someone else's kids were in danger you'd do what was needed regardless. Bold talk from a person who has never been in a position to have to make such a decision. I subscribe to the school of thought that says until it happens to you, you have no clue what you'd do and are merely speculating from false bravado.

I'm not taking up for the cops and am not a particular fan of cops in general. So don't think I'm making excuses. From what the DPS guy said I think they seem to have done a lousy job, plenty of time now to figure it all out and do what is needed to those guys who were there and did wrong if that's the case.

I want to see a link, from anyone, any source that shows the outside of school building while the shooter was alive and still inside that shows these cops standing around doing nothing that several of you have alluded to. Show it to me if you can. I want to see it.

My point exactly Bill. Thanks for some "honest sanity".
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« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2022, 11:08:39 AM »
Dee, why haven’t you made personal attacks against the other folks who believe that the actions of the cops was shameful??

I've deleted one flaming post. Personal attacks need to stop. If we cannot debate this terrible event without letting our emotions get in the way, and take up name calling,we need to refrain from joining the conversation.
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« Reply #118 on: May 28, 2022, 11:21:30 AM »
Bill, all of the news agencies are playing the news conferences over and over with the timeline of events.
At one point there was 19 cops in the hallway as the shooter killed CHILDREN and when two cops were wounded the rest of them chickened out.
This from the head lawman in Texas.
They detained a mother in handcuffs but she promised to behave so they uncuffed her and she jumped the fence and went in and got her kids. That woman had more gut than all the cops combined.

Every member here is a armchair quarterback, they give their opinion on every topic under the sun and say how things should have been done.
I’m no different, three retirement checks per month come here and we sit down and decide at each check which CHILDREN issue we’ll fund.
CHILDREN’S issues are the most important thing to us because it was also important to JESUS.

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« Reply #119 on: May 28, 2022, 03:20:27 PM »
 This morning, one of the anchor guys on Newsmax, who happens to be a former SEAL, said that whether military or police..your job is to "PROTECT and serve"..

  If running to the gunfire is too rough an expectation, perhaps you should find other work.
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