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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #180 on: May 31, 2022, 07:26:17 AM »
Early this morning I linked a newspaper article which outlined the training of the Uvalde police.
They had training.   But of course going through a building they know is empty and yelling CLEAR every little bit don't mean a thing when the bullets are flying.
But like DDZ said, they were afraid.   They knew that CHILDREN were being murdered while they shook in their boots and pissed their pants.
I would bet that the border patrol agents were scared too, but they had on their big boy pants and got the job done.

There is no excuse for letting CHILDREN be murdered without trying to do everything you can to neutralize the threat.
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« Reply #181 on: May 31, 2022, 07:47:01 AM »
This flag represents the Uvalde police.
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« Reply #182 on: May 31, 2022, 08:01:55 AM »
You.. need 10 dead to breech a door and enter a room.  Here's how the Marines do it..this was filmed back in Iraq in 2006, by some guys from my grandson's unit.
   This house apparently turned up empty, or  else they were demonstrating the method. As a spec ops unit, one of their specialties was recovering hostages..which often requires this technique.
 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhnwfq_IfmI

   Note the breeching shotgun.  My grandson used it very often.  The round was what my grandson called a "cork", which amounted to a slug which was made from some kind of a fibrous material..

  The squad that filmed this was somewhat of an eight ball squad..the black mushroom cloud shown in the distance, was the Iraqi army officer who was #13 in the villian deck of cards...if you recall them.
  They took loads of ordnance they gathered up, put them in the basement or first floor...and touched them off..

  The pup was adopted by the Battalion landing team...and was named "Undertaker".  The Corpsman "Doc Chiarini" mentioned in the credits..acted heroically in several instances..a credit to his MOS. Last my grandson talked to him (as far as I know)..he was working as an EMT in Rhode Island.

  The humvee window with a hole in it happened while my grandson was up in his .50 cal mount.  An RPG stuck inthe window, but still loosed it flame..took the interpreter's arm off.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #183 on: May 31, 2022, 09:48:30 AM »
A cheap M79? Where do you find one of those?

In the most current Gun Digest the magazine one was listed for sale at $7500. Now maybe to you that's cheap. To me that's out of reach.

What use do  you see an M79 having in that case? I'm not aware of any rounds made for it that are to use for breaching doors when you have folks inside you want alive not dead afterward.

A shotgun which I'm sure they had is a more appropriate breaching tool assuming proper ammo was on hand.

Still someone in that school should have keys to all doors. I'd think the principal's office would be a place where such keys should be kept.


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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #184 on: May 31, 2022, 11:12:21 AM »
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #185 on: May 31, 2022, 12:58:16 PM »
And I thought those wanting to fight joined the Air Force...

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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #186 on: May 31, 2022, 01:04:48 PM »
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
I volunteered to do my duty, which patriots do.
Others become cops so they never have to put themselves in harms way, ala Uvalde school shooting.

And speaking of cowardly cops, it seems the blood on their hands is making them try to hide.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/31/uvalde-pd-school-district-pd-no-longer-cooperating-with-dps-investigation-into-school-shooting-abc-news-sources-say/
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #187 on: May 31, 2022, 01:14:17 PM »
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
I volunteered to do my duty, which patriots do.
Others become cops so they never have to put themselves in harms way, ala Uvalde school shooting.

And speaking of cowardly cops, it seems the blood on their hands is making them try to hide.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/31/uvalde-pd-school-district-pd-no-longer-cooperating-with-dps-investigation-into-school-shooting-abc-news-sources-say/

The Air Force is exercising good judgment getting rid of the rejects that can't cut the mustard. They know through years of experience, they'll wimp out when the chips are down.

The Air Force reject flag stays permanently at half mast.  Its a losers flag.. 8)
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #188 on: May 31, 2022, 01:28:12 PM »
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
I volunteered to do my duty, which patriots do.
Others become cops so they never have to put themselves in harms way, ala Uvalde school shooting.

And speaking of cowardly cops, it seems the blood on their hands is making them try to hide.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/31/uvalde-pd-school-district-pd-no-longer-cooperating-with-dps-investigation-into-school-shooting-abc-news-sources-say/

The Air Force is exercising good judgment getting rid of the rejects that can't cut the mustard. They know through years of experience, they'll wimp out when the chips are down.

The Air Force reject flag stays permanently at half mast.  Its a losers flag.. 8)
LOL, there's a reason I didn't serve 4 years, and you just insulted many Air Force veterans.
At the same time that you try to justify the cowardly acts of 19 or more cops who allowed 19 CHILDREN to get a .556 to the face.
Why isn't the Uvalde cops cooperating with the DPS investigation??
Is it because they know they are cowards.

Here's some cops bullying a citizen which they are good at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5IzhbXYfik

They actually think that the police station belongs to them.  What bufoons.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #189 on: May 31, 2022, 01:40:05 PM »
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
I volunteered to do my duty, which patriots do.
Others become cops so they never have to put themselves in harms way, ala Uvalde school shooting.

And speaking of cowardly cops, it seems the blood on their hands is making them try to hide.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/31/uvalde-pd-school-district-pd-no-longer-cooperating-with-dps-investigation-into-school-shooting-abc-news-sources-say/

The Air Force is exercising good judgment getting rid of the rejects that can't cut the mustard. They know through years of experience, they'll wimp out when the chips are down.

The Air Force reject flag stays permanently at half mast.  Its a losers flag.. 8)
LOL, there's a reason I didn't serve 4 years, and you just insulted many Air Force veterans.
At the same time that you try to justify the cowardly acts of 19 or more cops who allowed 19 CHILDREN to get a .556 to the face.
Why isn't the Uvalde cops cooperating with the DPS investigation??
Is it because they know they are cowards.

Here's some cops bullying a citizen which they are good at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5IzhbXYfik

They actually think that the police station belongs to them.  What bufoons.


I didn't insult Air Force veterans. I pointed the Air Force rejects non valued recruits who can't keep up. Which you obviously couldn't. That's why you didn't finish your commitment.

Now your complaining while you hypocritically insult many peace officers. YOU'LL GET WHAT YOU GIVE.  ;)

Air Force rejects are rejected because they have no real value.

Air Force to lower standards. Again.

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/the-air-force-about-lower-its-already-low-standards
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #190 on: May 31, 2022, 02:18:22 PM »
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
I volunteered to do my duty, which patriots do.
Others become cops so they never have to put themselves in harms way, ala Uvalde school shooting.

And speaking of cowardly cops, it seems the blood on their hands is making them try to hide.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/31/uvalde-pd-school-district-pd-no-longer-cooperating-with-dps-investigation-into-school-shooting-abc-news-sources-say/

The Air Force is exercising good judgment getting rid of the rejects that can't cut the mustard. They know through years of experience, they'll wimp out when the chips are down.

The Air Force reject flag stays permanently at half mast.  Its a losers flag.. 8)
LOL, there's a reason I didn't serve 4 years, and you just insulted many Air Force veterans.
At the same time that you try to justify the cowardly acts of 19 or more cops who allowed 19 CHILDREN to get a .556 to the face.
Why isn't the Uvalde cops cooperating with the DPS investigation??
Is it because they know they are cowards.

Here's some cops bullying a citizen which they are good at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5IzhbXYfik

They actually think that the police station belongs to them.  What bufoons.


I didn't insult Air Force veterans. I pointed the Air Force rejects non valued recruits who can't keep up. Which you obviously couldn't. That's why you didn't finish your commitment.

Now your complaining while you hypocritically insult many peace officers. YOU'LL GET WHAT YOU GIVE.  ;)

Air Force rejects are rejected because they have no real value.

Air Force to lower standards. Again.

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/the-air-force-about-lower-its-already-low-standards
Some time back I was talking to IG and mentioned to him that the other branches of the service referred to the Air Force as that "chicken sh*t" outfit so you don't bother me.
But I wanted to fly and I did, I had completed my training and took my physical for deployment and a crooked spine was found from which I'm now crippled.
You seem to be the kind who would kick a puppy and brutalize civilians.
All across this country police depts and cities are paying out millions of dollars for false arrest, violating civil rights etc. because they have huge egos and love to lord it over civilians, know nothing of the law, and stand by and watch while their fellow cops break the law, or, in the case of Uvalde, piss their pants when actually confronted by danger.
It seems the border patrol has balls while the cops had camel toes.

But it still comes down to this, 19 CHILDREN were murdered while the cops did nothing and because I voiced my opinion of "THOSE" cops you got your panties in a wad and started calling names, so, because of your reaction you must think it's okay to murder 19 CHILDREN and stand by the cowards who now refuse to cooperate with the Texas DPS.
Yep cowards.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #191 on: May 31, 2022, 02:41:41 PM »
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
This flag represents the Uvalde police.

This flag represents ALL Air Force rejects.
I volunteered to do my duty, which patriots do.
Others become cops so they never have to put themselves in harms way, ala Uvalde school shooting.

And speaking of cowardly cops, it seems the blood on their hands is making them try to hide.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/31/uvalde-pd-school-district-pd-no-longer-cooperating-with-dps-investigation-into-school-shooting-abc-news-sources-say/

The Air Force is exercising good judgment getting rid of the rejects that can't cut the mustard. They know through years of experience, they'll wimp out when the chips are down.

The Air Force reject flag stays permanently at half mast.  Its a losers flag.. 8)
LOL, there's a reason I didn't serve 4 years, and you just insulted many Air Force veterans.
At the same time that you try to justify the cowardly acts of 19 or more cops who allowed 19 CHILDREN to get a .556 to the face.
Why isn't the Uvalde cops cooperating with the DPS investigation??
Is it because they know they are cowards.

Here's some cops bullying a citizen which they are good at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5IzhbXYfik

They actually think that the police station belongs to them.  What bufoons.


I didn't insult Air Force veterans. I pointed the Air Force rejects non valued recruits who can't keep up. Which you obviously couldn't. That's why you didn't finish your commitment.

Now your complaining while you hypocritically insult many peace officers. YOU'LL GET WHAT YOU GIVE.  ;)

Air Force rejects are rejected because they have no real value.

Air Force to lower standards. Again.

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/the-air-force-about-lower-its-already-low-standards
Some time back I was talking to IG and mentioned to him that the other branches of the service referred to the Air Force as that "chicken sh*t" outfit so you don't bother me.
But I wanted to fly and I did, I had completed my training and took my physical for deployment and a crooked spine was found from which I'm now crippled.
You seem to be the kind who would kick a puppy and brutalize civilians.
All across this country police depts and cities are paying out millions of dollars for false arrest, violating civil rights etc. because they have huge egos and love to lord it over civilians, know nothing of the law, and stand by and watch while their fellow cops break the law, or, in the case of Uvalde, piss their pants when actually confronted by danger.
It seems the border patrol has balls while the cops had camel toes.

But it still comes down to this, 19 CHILDREN were murdered while the cops did nothing and because I voiced my opinion of "THOSE" cops you got your panties in a wad and started calling names, so, because of your reaction you must think it's okay to murder 19 CHILDREN and stand by the cowards who now refuse to cooperate with the Texas DPS.
Yep cowards.

I started this thread about an absolute tragedy. You've turned into police name calling, and character/integrity insults.

You started this police bashing, and insulting and you can't seem to help yourself.

Your the kind that calls people cowards before an investigation is a day old. Your the kind that continues to judge professions, and incidents you know very little about. Your the kind that belittles other professionals, while not being able to cut it in the Air Force and being kicked out.

Your the kind that is overly judgemental of police officers while never having the courage to be one yourself.
Your the kind that gets kicked out of the Air Force and has nuthin but excuses.

I didn't call the Air Force a chickenshit outfit. But the ones they kick out are.
As far as you flying a plane? So what. You proved it can't be that hard, and i also know a couple of 13 year old girls that fly every weekend

Your the kind that right now, right here, is criticizing me, for doing exactly the same thing your doing in reverse

Your the kind that will get back, exactly what you give out. You can stop this anytime you choose. And I couldn't care any less about what you like and don't like if I tried. So if you want this to stop, you stop.;)

In the meantime, you should get one of these Air Force Rejects flags for your front yard. Be proud of your failure.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #192 on: May 31, 2022, 03:16:18 PM »
Dee, every person has opinions.  I've heard you voice yours about many things.
Do you allow others to voice their own, not if it isn't the same as yours.
If you actually read all the other posts in this thread you would see that the consensus is, the cops were scared and refused to do their duty and allowed 19 CHILDREN to die.

Even the cops who were involved realize that they are cowards.
They won't cooperate with the investigation.

CHILDREN are GOD's most precious, and in my opinion, a cop who refuses to do all he can to rescue them from a certain death is a cowardly low life.

Would you face grave danger to rescue them??   I've asked you this before and you refuse to answer.
That speaks volumes.

And, WWJD??
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #193 on: May 31, 2022, 03:22:35 PM »

In the meantime, you should get one of these Air Force Rejects flags for your front yard. Be proud of your failure.
Speaking of failures, your Uvalde buddies are the failures, they pissed their pants and allowed 19 CHILDREN to be murdered with .556 rounds to the face.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #194 on: May 31, 2022, 03:30:25 PM »
As Tucker says asking these questions is not pointing fingers. Its just asking legitimate questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_d0juMwLmQ
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« Reply #195 on: May 31, 2022, 03:38:05 PM »
A cheap M79? Where do you find one of those?

In the most current Gun Digest the magazine one was listed for sale at $7500. Now maybe to you that's cheap. To me that's out of reach.

What use do  you see an M79 having in that case? I'm not aware of any rounds made for it that are to use for breaching doors when you have folks inside you want alive not dead afterward.

A shotgun which I'm sure they had is a more appropriate breaching tool assuming proper ammo was on hand.

Still someone in that school should have keys to all doors. I'd think the principal's office would be a place where such keys should be kept.

   When I talked about the M79 being cheap...I wasn't talking about what somebody could sell one for outside the military, and on the open market..
  Look at the piece, little more than an H&R with a 40mm barrel.  I've used them..and compared to anything from a a machine gun or even an M4.  Likely th eM4, because iof the numerous manufacturing orocesses involved would cost much more..but for the mass numbers they are produced in .

    I was judging by the M3 "grease gun" .45 cal  full aotu, which I was issued as a tanker.  I can't imagine what somebody would have to pay for one today, on the open market, but we were told that during WW2, they cost the government something like $7.89 each.

  I guess they went up some during WW2, because I just read that they cost $15.00 by the end of the war.
  They were used up to and including the Gulf War..  Common aboard the M60 tank.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #196 on: May 31, 2022, 03:42:32 PM »
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #197 on: May 31, 2022, 03:48:32 PM »
Dee, every person has opinions.  I've heard you voice yours about many things.
Do you allow others to voice their own, not if it isn't the same as yours.
If you actually read all the other posts in this thread you would see that the consensus is, the cops were scared and refused to do their duty and allowed 19 CHILDREN to die.

Even the cops who were involved realize that they are cowards.
They won't cooperate with the investigation.

CHILDREN are GOD's most precious, and in my opinion, a cop who refuses to do all he can to rescue them from a certain death is a cowardly low life.

Would you face grave danger to rescue them??   I've asked you this before and you refuse to answer.
That speaks volumes.

And, WWJD??

Well, Hillary and Kamala see it the same way you on THE CHILDREN.

As IVE SAID REPEATEDLY,  for decades: "I never judge a man for fight I wasn't in"
A prudent man will wait until the investigation is completed.

Have I ever saved a child's life. Severalin 21 years of service. Do I brag about it? No, I did my job.

But I also put up with bafoons that had no education, or experience in the business. I've been a hero in the news, and called unfair when arresting popular citizens.

You have used these 19 kids as an excuse to defame, and insult the law enforcement community, while making excuses for your own failures.

Yes, I've seen a few cowards behind a badge, and they lasted usually less than 6 months. But I've seen a lot more cowardly in front of the badge. Loud mouths that have never been, and never will be tested. People like you.

Like I said. This investigation is far from over, and mistakes are seldom related to cowardice. These you call cowards ran straight into the school,  and 3 were wounded. They were dealing with secured doors, and a nutcase.

Their TV  performance critics are feeding people just like you. They retired experts are saying what they want them to, and as former officers they should be ashamed of themselves. They weren't there either.

These Uvalde officers are lawyering up because of judgemental people just like you. Everybody wants to shift all the blame on them ignoring the Uvalde Independent School Districts total failure IN Securing THE CHILDREN .

The officers failures have yet to be determined through investigation, except by people like you.

Your failure has been documented for decades and your loaded with excuses. You don't give these officers the benefit of the doubt until the investigation is over, your a constant source of insults. So you'll continue to get back what you're putting out.

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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #198 on: May 31, 2022, 03:55:08 PM »
As Tucker says asking these questions is not pointing fingers. Its just asking legitimate questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_d0juMwLmQ
That was a good video.
And Tucker was right California is making it easier for bad guys to victimize schools.

I'm usually suspicious of one police agency investigating another police agency as they usually take up for their buddies.
I hope it's different this time.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #199 on: May 31, 2022, 03:55:47 PM »
Here's a very good video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRkQPtWgSaE

What's good about it? Another armchair hypocrite that wasn't there? Another bozo wanting to be revelent disputing what an actual Texas DPS investigation supervisor is saying. ::)

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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #200 on: May 31, 2022, 04:00:23 PM »
As Tucker says asking these questions is not pointing fingers. Its just asking legitimate questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_d0juMwLmQ
That was a good video.
And Tucker was right California is making it easier for bad guys to victimize schools.

I'm usually suspicious of one police agency investigating another police agency as they usually take up for their buddies.
I hope it's different this time.

Your not asking questions. It's like Bill said,  you're callin'em cowards, and quitters. You're the only documented quite. Well, you didn't actually quit, you got kicked out.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #201 on: May 31, 2022, 04:04:18 PM »
Here's a very good video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRkQPtWgSaE
   THere is enough problems without using The Young Turtks for any kind of comment.

    I don't know if you are familiar with TYT...but their credibility is zilch.  This does not however, say the police in Uvalde performed correctly.

  The Young Turks try to paint all police as afraid...when we hear everyday of some cop somewhere, braving fire or gunfire to save a citizen.

    Yet...how often do we hear people say, when a soldier of Marine gets killed..."well they volunteered for it!"
  True, they did volunteer for the military, but they didn't volunteer for death...even thiugh they know they may face it at some point !

  Still, trying to relate to the Uvalde situation    What would we think of some marines as shown in the
 video.. if they got to that door..then pulled back, saying... "we're not going in..there are some bad guys waiting in there...and we could get hurt."
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #202 on: May 31, 2022, 04:04:40 PM »
As Tucker says asking these questions is not pointing fingers. Its just asking legitimate questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_d0juMwLmQ
That was a good video.
And Tucker was right California is making it easier for bad guys to victimize schools.

I'm usually suspicious of one police agency investigating another police agency as they usually take up for their buddies.
I hope it's different this time.

Yeah, ole Tuckers' got just as much L.E. training and experience as you do, and you both have another thing in common. Neither of you know your ass from a hole in the ground on such matters, and neither of you are pricey to a y evidence, and you weren't there.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #203 on: May 31, 2022, 04:12:48 PM »

Have I ever saved a child's life. Severalin 21 years of service. Do I brag about it? No, I did my job.

The officers failures have yet to be determined through investigation, except by people like you.
If you've saved several CHILDREN then you should be qualified to judge them but you won't.

You were never in any battles in Iraq or Afghanistan but you certainly judged both presidents Bush.
You were never a president but you have criticized many, included Lincoln, were you there??

Everyone has two things and one of those is an opinion.
Only democrats don't allow others to have their own opinion.

My opinion is, the cowardly police in Uvalde are just as guilty of the death of CHILDREN as the punk shooter.

Why don't you answer the question, WWJD??
He sacrificed his life to save miserable sinners like you and me, and in my mind, if I stood by and let his most precious be murdered, I would lose my soul.

I guess YMMV
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #204 on: May 31, 2022, 04:33:27 PM »

Have I ever saved a child's life. Severalin 21 years of service. Do I brag about it? No, I did my job.

The officers failures have yet to be determined through investigation, except by people like you.
If you've saved several CHILDREN then you should be qualified to judge them but you won't.

You were never in any battles in Iraq or Afghanistan but you certainly judged both presidents Bush.
You were never a president but you have criticized many, included Lincoln, were you there??

Everyone has two things and one of those is an opinion.
Only democrats don't allow others to have their own opinion.

My opinion is, the cowardly police in Uvalde are just as guilty of the death of CHILDREN as the punk shooter.

Why don't you answer the question, WWJD??
He sacrificed his life to save miserable sinners like you and me, and in my mind, if I stood by and let his most precious be murdered, I would lose my soul.

I guess YMMV

Matthew Chapter 7 verse 1. Judge not, that ye not be judged. Verse 2. For what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Seems to me Jesus is calling you a hypocrite for judging these officers before the investigation is complete., and He just might give you the same treatment your giving them.

If you're gonna preach the scriptures to me your gonna need some coachin, cause I know em better than you.  ;)

Trying to deflect to my criticizem of 3 bad presidents is ridiculously juvenile.

And with the things you've said about Biden ,Harris, Pelosi,  ect, makes it down right goofy.  :o
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #205 on: May 31, 2022, 04:49:58 PM »
I'm getting bored. I'm goin ta bed.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #206 on: May 31, 2022, 05:31:32 PM »
The only person I judged is me.

Did 19 cops hide in the hallway while 19 CHILDREN died??  We all know they did.
That’s not judging, that’s putting a name to the cops.

The ONLY cops there who were NOT cowards was the border patrol who were ordered to stand down, but put the lives of INNOCENT CHILDREN before their own.
They will get a star in their crowns I’m sure.

Since you won’t answer a simple question, WWJD, you’re broadcasting to the world that you are like the 19 cops.

John 15:13 says no greater love than this that he lay down his life for a friend.
Imagine how much more precious a CHILD is than a man.
I would not sacrifice my soul by hiding while CHILDREN were being murdered.

If you don’t know WJWD, then I’ll pray for you.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #207 on: May 31, 2022, 09:08:18 PM »
look at that door they breached with one shot. Its a glorified screen door. Every door is differnt. Yup you can breach a door like that or most wood doors with a 12 gauge but id have to guess that was a steel door at that school. I wanst there but most school doors are solid core steel doors. Tough to breach with a shotgun and its why swat and soliders use shape charges but there not always the answer with innocent civilians on the other side. Many hostage cituations they use civilians as shields by doors and windows. what would you be saying if they blew that door and killed children used as shields?

 All these things im sure went through the minds of those cops. Like i said none of us were there to know the exact circumstances they were dealing with. Did they make mistakes? Maybe. Cops are infallable and make mistakes just as do soldiers and even special forces. I dont take excpetion to the fact some say they made mistakes. I do think it still isnt in our best interest to slam them for it. It just feeds the anti cop anti gun people. But what i do take excpetion to is calling those cops cowards when you dont have a clue. I can take 10 soldiers and find in it maybe 3 that arent the bravest sobs but if there leadership moves they usually move with them.

If anyone was a coward it was the person in charge. Its not those cops job to charge in without orders. Its the same with the military. A private doesnt jump up and charge into a firefight when his CO doesnt want him too. THey are trained not only to protect but to follow orders. So IF there were cowards its a few higher ups that were afraid to act because of possible repercussions and even those i can kind of understand. In this day of bash the cops, defund the cops everything move they make someone takes as wrong. So im sure that was the root cause of alot of the hesitation not cowardice. Keep in mind too that not all chiefs of police are good old boys that are tough as audy murphy. Alot of them get to where there at from boot licking and politicking. Many arent conservatives either. There the same liberal boot lickers we have in dc. Bottom line is its like the captain of a ship. Its the Co's responsibility period. He should have made the call. Sad thing is even on here some want to bash all of them. Stereotype them like the left does. I wouldnt be surprised if those captains throw a few of those cops to the wolves to protect there own ass and job. Sad thing is some even on here will cheer if those thrown to the wolves loose there carreers and reputation and dignity.

I also think its sad that bugeye seems to have a hard on for all cops. I got a drunk driving about 20 years ago. I was riding down the ditch of a road on a snowmobile. Yup a bit fast. I was pulled over by the state police and had drank 5 beers that night and got a dwi. I thought that was ridiculous. It was a young state cop that no doubt was trying to fill his quota. But what i didnt do was blame every cop in the state for it. My guess is you werent just randomly harassed by that cop. You probably gave the reason. Was it enough reason. Well if you were found guilty of what they said you did then just like me you were guilty. They dont know you. They deal will all kinds. Every time they make a traffic stop they dont know if its a little old lady or a armed drug dealer.

Like ive said a few times on here. Youve never been shot at or probably ever did something that was dangerous enough that it could get you killed. You never had your but puckered like only someone whos been shot at can understand. My main point is that this crazy liberal ass country is trying to make cops out to be the enemy and scrutinize every move they make just looking for something to hang one out to dry for. Just like that Floyd thing. I think its sad that anyone here plays into that game. You dont have to defend them. But you sure dont also need to attack them or side with the liberals. Theres comes times when its better to just keep your mouth shut. Especially until the facts are all in.

You were attacking the day after this happened. Couldnt wait to post that the cops screwed up. Its bs like that that feeds sleepy joe and his liberals to try to ban HIGH POWER 9mms. People actually believe that bs and believe cops are out to get them or are cowards and its far from the truth. Then you argue with dee over it. Him and i have not always got along and have gone round and round a few times. That said bugeye and a few others your arguing with a man that spent his life wearing that uniform and has helped people and has had bullets fly by his head. Sorry but hes been there and done that. Hes gone home still shaking at night wondering what his family would have done if it would have went wrong and he didnt do it for himself. Your arguing with the wrong man. This is one of those times where maybe you should back off and keep your opinions to yourself. To say your not judging is ridiculous. 
You.. need 10 dead to breech a door and enter a room.  Here's how the Marines do it..this was filmed back in Iraq in 2006, by some guys from my grandson's unit.
   This house apparently turned up empty, or  else they were demonstrating the method. As a spec ops unit, one of their specialties was recovering hostages..which often requires this technique.
 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhnwfq_IfmI

   Note the breeching shotgun.  My grandson used it very often.  The round was what my grandson called a "cork", which amounted to a slug which was made from some kind of a fibrous material..

  The squad that filmed this was somewhat of an eight ball squad..the black mushroom cloud shown in the distance, was the Iraqi army officer who was #13 in the villian deck of cards...if you recall them.
  They took loads of ordnance they gathered up, put them in the basement or first floor...and touched them off..

  The pup was adopted by the Battalion landing team...and was named "Undertaker".  The Corpsman "Doc Chiarini" mentioned in the credits..acted heroically in several instances..a credit to his MOS. Last my grandson talked to him (as far as I know)..he was working as an EMT in Rhode Island.

  The humvee window with a hole in it happened while my grandson was up in his .50 cal mount.  An RPG stuck inthe window, but still loosed it flame..took the interpreter's arm off.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #208 on: May 31, 2022, 11:24:43 PM »
The only person I judged is me.

Did 19 cops hide in the hallway while 19 CHILDREN died??  We all know they did.
That’s not judging, that’s putting a name to the cops.

The ONLY cops there who were NOT cowards was the border patrol who were ordered to stand down, but put the lives of INNOCENT CHILDREN before their own.
They will get a star in their crowns I’m sure.

Since you won’t answer a simple question, WWJD, you’re broadcasting to the world that you are like the 19 cops.

John 15:13 says no greater love than this that he lay down his life for a friend.
Imagine how much more precious a CHILD is than a man.
I would not sacrifice my soul by hiding while CHILDREN were being murdered.

If you don’t know WJWD, then I’ll pray for you.

Calling someone a coward you don't even know isn't judging? Calling me a coward because I won't armchair quarterback police officers 500 miles away isn't judging? 8) :o

You are one mixed up, and confused puppy.

No wonder the Air Force gave you the boot, and your wife has to bait your hook.

Your an absolute "mental mess". Now I know where your shooting the hinges off the door with an AR15 came from.  ::)

You need to be in a nursing home on the dementia wing. You got comprehension issues.

Let your wife do all the driving.
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Re: 14 Grade Schoolers & 1 Teacher Killed In Uvalde Texas!
« Reply #209 on: June 01, 2022, 01:16:18 AM »
The only person I judged is me.

Did 19 cops hide in the hallway while 19 CHILDREN died??  We all know they did.
That’s not judging, that’s putting a name to the cops.

The ONLY cops there who were NOT cowards was the border patrol who were ordered to stand down, but put the lives of INNOCENT CHILDREN before their own.
They will get a star in their crowns I’m sure.

Since you won’t answer a simple question, WWJD, you’re broadcasting to the world that you are like the 19 cops.

John 15:13 says no greater love than this that he lay down his life for a friend.
Imagine how much more precious a CHILD is than a man.
I would not sacrifice my soul by hiding while CHILDREN were being murdered.

If you don’t know WJWD, then I’ll pray for you.

Calling someone a coward you don't even know isn't judging? Calling me a coward because I won't armchair quarterback police officers 500 miles away isn't judging? 8) :o

You are one mixed up, and confused puppy.

No wonder the Air Force gave you the boot, and your wife has to bait your hook.

Your an absolute "mental mess". Now I know where your shooting the hinges off the door with an AR15 came from.  ::)

You need to be in a nursing home on the dementia wing. You got comprehension issues.

Let your wife do all the driving.
Making fun of a persons physical infirmities is what child bullies do.
Which proves my point that many cops are indeed bullies, who piss their pants when confronted with danger.

Yes, my wife does bait my hook and does most of the driving.

School classroom doors open out, so the excuse that the shooter barricaded the door doesn't work.
Those 19 cowards had a shield, the same as the border patrol and they had access to a key the same as the border patrol.
So why didn't they act immediately??  They were scared witless.
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