ANOTHER SCHOOL SHOOTING FAILURE!

[Dee]

Im thinkin he should call the texas Rangers, and give them his sources. He seems to have more facts than the on scene witnesses do.

[Lloyd Smale]

again more speculation. You dont have a clue. Expert on breaching, expert on police tactics and now an expert on school policys. All from the comfort and safety of your lazy boy. 

  If the second unit of law enforcement was able to gain access with the janitor's key, why could not the same thing been done to by the first arrived group of of officers ?

The custodian/s and all the office staff have keys and the doors are usually keyed alike so every teacher would have a key, all the doors in schools open out and the first responders had a shield.
There is no excuse on this earth to justify the delay while CHILDREN were being murdered.

[Dee]

As more things about this become available I smell something seriously fishy about the entire thing. Where does an 18 year kid get the funds he used for his purchases. Why was the door propped open that morning??

Just guessing here, he probably stole granny's money and bought the rifles and she found out and confronted him and he got mad and shot her.
The door??  My wife closed and locked many doors that teachers would prop open and go to their cars to get something or take a smoke.
They would then have to come through the main office doors in view of office staff and if the principal or veep was in the office they would be questioned about why they was not in class.
In Uvalde that teacher murdered 19 CHILDREN and 2 adults.

Here is a very interesting, yet contradictory BUGEYE-ISM.

Hes been ranting incessantly about cowardly cops not saving "THE CHILDREN", but "HERE" BUGEYE is saying, that the teacher that proped the door open is the one that murdered the 19 CHILDREN, and 2 adults. I guess those "cowardly cops, should have shot that teacher.

His "expertise" in school key location, and doors obviously come from his wife being a school janitor. He knows
about keys and doors so the school in Morrow Georgia, must be identical in every way to the one in Uvalde Texas 1203 miles away. Thats amazing. 

[Dee]

Looks like Uvalde PD and Chief Arrando are not cooperating with the investigation team.
School will be destroyed, and concerned parties should get in the school to examine the seen before the building is raised. They bulldozed Columbine, Sandy Hook, Colorado theater, etc. I can see why; but concerned parties must not be locked out from thoroughly examining the crime scene_ _ and not just PD investigators.

Meanwhile, the Biden's visited Uvalde for optics, but  deliberately dis-invited the heroic BP guys from their Uvalde tour.

And it looks like "conspiracy central" is piling more wood on "the rumor fire".

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/05/31/uvalde-law-enforcement-still-cooperating-in-investigation-contrary-to-sensational-media-reports/

[Dee]

Dee....your Breitbart link actually suggest there may be non-cooperation between parties may be happening, just not confirmed in their view. But is more confirmed in the view of FOX, CNN and other legacy media outlets. I guess the proof of the pudding is if Chief Arredando restarts interviews with DPS....
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So when convenient for your narrative TV media is credible?

https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/06/01/uvalde-school-police-chief-says-hes-still-cooperating/

[Dee]

Well, I don't have an accepted narrative. I'm like most people trying to figure out what in the world happened.
But you do seem have a narrative i.e. "cops do no wrong and investigators will get to the truth", which is BS.
And just to 'trigger' you off, it looks like 19 cops trapped the shooter in a classroom with kids and waited, waited until BP swat opened the door and went in to kill the shooter.
That's the distilled narrative without obfuscations.  Isn't it?
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Why is it that my links are always faulty, but yours are always correct? Why is it that in your "Russia crusade", ALL TV NEWS MEDIA is in the tank for nato, and the Ukraine, but this time you're accepting news media reports  on the news media outlets.

How is it when I say we should wait on the investigation to be completed, you construe it to defense of the cops?
Are you against the truth?

I, from the very beginning, have said: Let's wait until the investigation is complete, and see precisely who did what, and why.

Bugeye became hysterical, and rabidly started making accusation after accusation, that cannot be substantiated to be true, or untrue until the investigation is complete.
He does however, have company, though not to his extreme. You included


I'm gonna wait for the final investigation myself.

I want the truth, while Bugeye, and others, want to be right.

You, like Bugeye, cherry pick links that go with your opinions/agenda. You two should consider teaming up, as your "modus operandis" are near identical.
I think Lloyd is on to sumthin. 

[Dee]

Oh-oh, Dee is triggered again. Here we go. Dee calling for Lloyd backup.

I never say your links suck, I just get different info from them then you do when you cherry pick your links, stop the crybaby act. That's allowed, but I expect establishment types like yourself to always promote official narratives and investigators. But keep in mind Dee hasn't been a cop in over 30 years, somehow getting out of the police racket at a young age...Alot has changed in Law Enforcement in 30 years. Alot, and if courts are corrupt one might infer the enforcement arm of the justice system is problematic too.

There's no conspiracy here what happened in the school that day.....19 cops trapped the maniac kid in a classroom with kids, 40 minutes went by until BP swat opened the door (with a key?) and went in shot the kid dead, thereby rescuing remaining kids in the classroom. That's what happened.

How this decision making process occurred is under the microscope, as well as how the kid got in the school and obtained several thousand dollars of weaponry.

So, Dee, what do you think prompted the BP guys to disregard the stand down order and enter the classroom? Why did they do that?
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I'm "triggered". LOL,

Do you mean second guess an incident from roughly 500 miles away with almost zero facts? Second guess folks I've never met, that were in a school I've never been in, and second guess ;a constantly changing situation I wasn't involved in? I can "speculate" about difficult doors, time it took in locating door keys, and a myriad of other "unknowns". But I prefer the truth, and I'm willin to wait.

Second guessing is more Bugeyes' and your style. You do Russia and the Ukraine from 6,000 miles away, and Bugsy does cops, and school shootings from 1200 miles away.

BTW, did you ever get around to reading my response to that nasty little PM you sent me?

[BUGEYE]

When BP swat arrived on the scene, what prompted them to ignore the stand down order and open the door and take out the kids, rescuing the kids?
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They were NOT chicken,  scared probably, but they were men who couldn’t stand by and let CHILDREN be murdered.

Dee, since you “retired “ 30 years ago, were you forced out for excessive force or just get too fat??

[Dee]

Yes Dee, TRIGGERED....... triggered is the word.
You get angry very easily when a poster deviates from your 'narrative' challenging your assumptions cast in stone. Too bad

FYI, on this Uvalde shooting I don't think I've posted more than one or two links, and if I have it might have been at your request. In fact, I haven't really accused the police of anything (yet), aside from dithering.

So again, what's your professional opinion.....>>

When BP swat arrived on the scene, what prompted them to ignore the stand down order and open the door and take out the kids, rescuing the kids?
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I am no longer in that "profession", and I've already given you my "opinion", which is to wait for the investigation to be completed.

Second guessing is y'all forte' not mine.

[Dee]

When BP swat arrived on the scene, what prompted them to ignore the stand down order and open the door and take out the kids, rescuing the kids?
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They were NOT chicken,  scared probably, but they were men who couldn’t stand by and let CHILDREN be murdered.

Dee, since you “retired “ 30 years ago, were you forced out for excessive force or just get too fat??

LOL, asks the "flat screen commando" that got kicked out of the Air Force, and according to his picture looks like 350 pounds of chewed bubble gum.

[oldandslow]

Damn, take a break. Ya'll sound like a bunch of third graders now plus you need to get another horse.  This one has been beat into smithereens. Give it a few days until more is known and then go back at it.

[Dee]

Damn, take a break. Ya'll sound like a bunch of third graders now plus you need to get another horse.  This one has been beat into smithereens. Give it a few days until more is known and then go back at it.

LOL, I've been saying let's wait since day one.

[Dee]

Dee..
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I know nothing about any PM I sent you nor any from you, except one from you happily gloating how you think you got my goat or some nonsense. Months ago I did send you a PM which was a post that I could not post because GB closed the thread. I prefer not to receive or send you PMs, and so don't.

Question #2 for our expert:>

Since you suggested it might have taken time to find door keys, as unlikely as that seems, why did the BP guys go in the classroom to get the guy, which is out of their jurisdiction and when Uvalde PD guys were already all around?

This has nothing to do with Ukraine as you try to divert, and you can fence sit this one untill the vaunted official investigation report comes out (which keeps changing), but there's two simple questions an ex-LEO of your caliber could answer to help us ignorant civilians understand what happened _ _ to dispell any false impressions and such.
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As I've said for decades: "I never judge a man for a fight I wasn't in"

Waiting for all the evidence to be collected, along with any closed circuit security camera footage, and statements from on scene officers isn't  "fence sitting".

Its rational behavior, and the only sane way to come to a proper and just conclusion.

Ranting, jumping to conclusions, and hysterical claims of cowardice, along with wild undocumented claims, and almost no factual information is yours, and Bugeyes' "modus operandi". You two are wired up and pissed, so you assume I must be also. Well, not. You two aren't any type of influence in my life, so there's no reason for me to be upset.

Now. You two demanding my joining you "guess fest" isn't going to work. I choose calmness, and patience for an accurate synopsis.

[BUGEYE]

Ranting, jumping to conclusions, and hysterical claims of cowardice, along with wild undocumented claims, and almost no factual information is yours, and Bugeyes' "modus operandi".

Uh, our friend and respected member DDZ was the first to post the word cowardice.
What will you say to him??   Anything??   No??
I didn't think so, you are eaten up with a personal vendetta and used my words (but not his ) to rant against me.
You should drop the hate and allow ANYONE to voice their opinion.

[Dee]

Ranting, jumping to conclusions, and hysterical claims of cowardice, along with wild undocumented claims, and almost no factual information is yours, and Bugeyes' "modus operandi".

Uh, our friend and respected member DDZ was the first to post the word cowardice.
What will you say to him??   Anything??   No??
I didn't think so, you are eaten up with a personal vendetta and used my words (but not his ) to rant against me.
You should drop the hate and allow ANYONE to voice their opinion.

Has Bill censored you? I don't have the power to censor you, and you seem to be voicing your opinion anytime you want to.

Now this "hate issue" your rantin about. I'm  proud to say that I don "hate" anyone. You're taking yourself much too seriously in that regard. You don't upset me because I know what you are.

Now. There are folks I agree with,  some I don't agree with, and there're folks I consider hysterical fools that act like teenage girls on their period.

The later I just blow off as folks you have to tolerate here on GBO. 

[Dee]

Dee......
There you go again saying or claiming I said things I never said or claimed, lumping me in with other guys. I never called any cops cowards. I think I have been trying to discuss facts, and find out what others are thinking about the event. Since you're the resident LEO here, just thought you might shed some light on what happened. But if you want to fence sit for a while longer that's ok.

Where I am at on the whole event about the police is what happened when the kids were in the room, the PD were at the door, then the BP guys and 'keys' showed up, and the BP guys went in...not the PD guys. I'm focused on those few moments right now.
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You say I'm unfairly lumping you in with other guys. And you also say I'm "triggered" and get angry when folks don't agree with me. And when I say I'm gonna wait on the investigation results, you accuse me of riding the fence.

I say I'm not mad, haven't been mad, and I'm not riding the fence.

I'm not really "focused" on any one thing. I have opinions having been in the business of SWAT and having been a lead coordinator of such, which causes caution in pre-judging a gunfight I wasn't in.

Now, you want a civil conversation, you have to accept my reasoning, if you want me to consider yours.

[BUGEYE]

you seem to be voicing your opinion anytime you want to.

Are you a closet democrat??  You're sounding exactly like Joe Biden.
Bill is long suffering, listing to you calling me a "fool" and other ugly names.

[Dee]

Actually I've never called you a fool. Thats part of your overactive imagination. I did say you didn't need my help making a fool outt yourself.

Im bored. Think I'll go to bed.

you seem to be voicing your opinion anytime you want to.

Are you a closet democrat??  You're sounding exactly like Joe Biden.
Bill is long suffering, listing to you calling me a "fool" and other ugly names.

[Graybeard]

I'm tolerating a lot out of several of you because I really do believe in freedom of speech as long as I can. At some point I have to delete posts or at least parts of them. I try to put that off as long as I can.

[Dee]

I wish you'd lock it and the other one I started on the subject.

I'm tolerating a lot out of several of you because I really do believe in freedom of speech as long as I can. At some point I have to delete posts or at least parts of them. I try to put that off as long as I can.

[BUGEYE]

fool

Yeah ya did:)

[Lloyd Smale]

Dee doesnt need my help to aruge agaisnt you. All dee and i have said is wed like to see the facts and the opinions of you and bugeye arent based on facts there based on conjecture . You werent there and neither of you has a clue about something like breaching and entering or what its like to face gunfire. You make blanket statements like cops our cowards that just support the narrative the left is using this for. To defund police and take away our guns. You allow the left to divide even us gun loving conservatives over this issue. This isnt about that school or the kids that died to them. Its about guns and hanging out to dry good men who server and risk there life for you while you sit comfortably in your recliner surfing your conspiracy web sites. You are much worse then bugeye. You constantly bash this country at every opportunity. At least bugeye had the balls to actually serve his country. YOU? have done nothing for anyone but yourself. You claim im coming to dees rescue?? You might want to look at our history here. Even ask Bill. Dee and i have clashed probably more then any two people here. But one thing about me is ill argue when i think someones pounding sand but when there right im the first to admit it. Dee has some special interest in this. He was a police officer for MANY years. Was shot at and put in dangerous situations a number of times. He didnt do it for himself. He didnt do it for money because i seriously doubt he made near what i made as a lineman. He did it because the job gave him a sense of pride and he knew when he went home that he actually accomplished something that helped others. Now bugeye you and the left want to stereotype everyone thats done the same as cowards?? A judgement passed by people who have never walked in his shoes. Never faced danger right in the eye and was tested and passed that test. YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE and in my opinion havent earned the right to judge.  So go back to your conspiracy theory web sites and make you up a new tin foil hat and leave the big boy stuff to those who were willing to actually do it. there are 19 year old girls that have risked more for this country then you. You should be proud I realize theres good people, good americans that havent served for one reason or another. I have no problem with that. What i have a problem with is you feeling you have the right to judge those who have. You dont have a clue!!!!!!!!

Oh-oh, Dee is triggered again. Here we go. Dee calling for Lloyd backup.

I never say your links suck, I just get different info from them then you do when you cherry pick your links, stop the crybaby act. That's allowed, but I expect establishment types like yourself to always promote official narratives and investigators. But keep in mind Dee hasn't been a cop in over 30 years, somehow getting out of the police racket at a young age...Alot has changed in Law Enforcement in 30 years. Alot, and if courts are corrupt one might infer the enforcement arm of the justice system is problematic too.

There's no conspiracy here what happened in the school that day.....19 cops trapped the maniac kid in a classroom with kids, 40 minutes went by until BP swat opened the door (with a key?) and went in shot the kid dead, thereby rescuing remaining kids in the classroom. That's what happened.

How this decision making process occurred is under the microscope, as well as how the kid got in the school and obtained several thousand dollars of weaponry.

So, Dee, what do you think prompted the BP guys to disregard the stand down order and enter the classroom? Why did they do that?
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[DDZ]

Mark Levin makes some good points.  Its our government that has created the problem, Yet will always blame the citizens, so to leverage more power.  As Mark says they could have caught these deranged shooters if they had been paying attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA19oQCjjAA

[Dee]

Mark Levin makes some good points.  Its our government that has created the problem, Yet will always blame the citizens, so to leverage more power.  As Mark says they could have caught these deranged shooters if they had been paying attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA19oQCjjAA

With 320 million folks in the country it scares me to think that the government could track the idiots. On this site we constantly talk about the 2nd Amendment, what its about, and protecting ourselves, and our families .

Shouldn't the same rules of self preservation apply to schools? Do we really want the government tracking people. Where does it stop? Who gets to decide?

[ironglow]

  It is the duty of the FBI to process the NICS applications.  This is the same FBI that participated in the
  plot against Trump.

   Is it possible that with the mid term elections are coming in about 5 months...that they knowingly overlooked these misfits?

  NICS test, NICS test....something doesn't pass the  sniff test !

[DDZ]

Mark Levin makes some good points.  Its our government that has created the problem, Yet will always blame the citizens, so to leverage more power.  As Mark says they could have caught these deranged shooters if they had been paying attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA19oQCjjAA

With 320 million folks in the country it scares me to think that the government could track the idiots. On this site we constantly talk about the 2nd Amendment, what its about, and protecting ourselves, and our families .

Shouldn't the same rules of self preservation apply to schools? Do we really want the government tracking people. Where does it stop? Who gets to decide?

Same could be said about Muslims in this country that are planning to kill a bunch of people. Do we really want the government tracking these people??  The government has been tracking people since departments like the FBI were implemented.

[BUGEYE]

Mark Levin makes some good points.  Its our government that has created the problem, Yet will always blame the citizens, so to leverage more power.  As Mark says they could have caught these deranged shooters if they had been paying attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA19oQCjjAA

With 320 million folks in the country it scares me to think that the government could track the idiots. On this site we constantly talk about the 2nd Amendment, what its about, and protecting ourselves, and our families .

Shouldn't the same rules of self preservation apply to schools? Do we really want the government tracking people. Where does it stop? Who gets to decide?

Same could be said about Muslims in this country that are planning to kill a bunch of people. Do we really want the government tracking these people??  The government has been tracking people since departments like the FBI were implemented.

Heh, I think J. Edgar Hoover had a file on everybody in the country.

[Lloyd Smale]

your free to TRY a rebuttal to what i posted. personal i dont want Bill to delete your posts. They bring me joy every day. Nobody anywhere has done more to make me feel secure in my beliefs then you and puts a smile on my face more often then you do. The real comical thing with you is you use personal attacks to defend against personal attacks . NOBODY here rants more then you. Not even close. tell us why you felt the need to mention my name in post #44?? 

I'm tolerating a lot out of several of you because I really do believe in freedom of speech as long as I can. At some point I have to delete posts or at least parts of them. I try to put that off as long as I can.

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But I guess another one of Lloyd's whacky hate filled rants, post #64, is Okay....?
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