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Transitioning to alternative energy Part 3, other sources.
« on: July 09, 2022, 11:51:41 AM »
Other sources of energy are possible. 

Tidal, This would be good near cities that have a good size high and low tide daily.  Power could be made when tides come in and go out.  This could vary with areas and times.  It would cost more than wind or solar. 

Geothermal.  This would work near hot springs or inactive volcanos.  One way I read of geothermal could be used was drilling a large hole down to near the hot mantle.  Then injecting water through small pipe that would instantly turn to steam and come up around it in the larger hole.  It would then be routed at ground level through a steam turbine to make electricity.  This would work near where the mantle is closer to the earths surface.  If all the power in the world was made this way it would take over 1,000 years to cool the inside of the earth 1 degree.  So this is not to bad.  Again kind of expensive, but no more expensive than drilling for oil or natural gas. 

I think Iceland makes most of their electricity from geothermal as they have a lot of hot springs. 

This method hasn't been given much thought.

Hydro.  Most areas of the world have already built large hydo dams for production of electricity and flood control.  Small areas aren't really being used.  If America put small generators at all the old grist mills on creeks and small rivers it would increase hydro production by around 35%.  This too is not bad.  Most of these system would only produce enough electricity for a few homes in the general area.  But, hey, why don't the power companies do this and give the land owners a discount on power if they allowed them to do this. 

There is enough methane (natural gas) produced at feed stalls and dairy farms to supply all the natural gas in America.  This is what you call carbon neutral.  The methane is going to waste anyway, and atmospheric methane warms the air about 5-10 times more than carbon dioxide from burning it.  So cows produce methane, it is saved with capture domes over feed stalls and dairy barns, filtered and pumped into the natural gas sysem nearby.  It is burned, grass grows to feed the cows and uses the carbon dioxide, cows eat and expel the manure which has the gas in it, it is saved to be burned again, so it is carbon neutral.  This gas would cost about 4 times as much as drilling or fracking for gas because of the labor involved in scooping up the cow manure and putting it into a domed area trapping the gas.  The manure after it goes through the "heat" cycle releasing the gas, can then be bagged up and sold as fertilizer.  This may happen sooner than later. 

Nuclear.  This invokes fear in people.  However, if units are made smaller and modular that can be transported on trucks, one this size can power from 200-400 homes.  They can be built to fuel up, go by themselves about 20 years, then shut down to be recycled and refueled and started up again.  Breeder reactors should also be built as they can burn spent fuel rods from existing nuke plants and reduce the nuclear waste to about 10% of what it was.  This can be done now. 

Hydrogen gas is another idea.  However it is the smallest atom and is subject to leaking more so than natural gas.  There is currently no infrastructure to use.  The idea is to use excess power from wind and solar to make the gas from water.   One good thing is Germany is using hydrogen made from excess wind power in the North Sea to mix with natural gas.  They found out they can mix up to 20% hydrogen with 80% natural gas with no effects at the natural gas burner tips.  This is being done now. 

I personally think excess solar or wind power could use the Sabatier process pulling carbon dioxide out of the air and forcing it together with water to make synthetic natural gas and oxygen.  Elon Musk is going to use this process to fuel up his Mars rocket.  It can be applied to earth as we already have the natural gas infrastructure in place, and is already being used to make electricity during peek demands.   
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2022, 06:03:17 AM »
i prefer to get back to nature myself. Mother nature put oil in the ground. It pollutes the soil so taking it out is a good thing ;) If it wasnt why would they not want you to dump you old engine oil on the ground?? :o Drilling a hole to through the earths mantle to tap hot water? Wouldnt that increase global warming  8) what your forgetting too is for a steam turbine to work you need superheated steam that has no moisture left in it on it will tear up the blades and needs at least 400psi of pressure and modern steam generators run on 5 times that much. You got a hole in the ground producing 2000psi super heated steam. If so you best stay far away from it. By the way i dont know where you heard of iceland producing geo thermal power but the fact is they get 99 percent of theres from hydros. Lets get real. coal and oil power the world. have since weve had power and will probably for at least the next 20 years and most likely longer. The hippy solustions dont work or wed have been using them years ago.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2022, 07:59:37 AM »
Iceland uses the geothermal for heat in the winter and its free. I was stationed in the UK, but we went up Iceland all the time In the C141 cargo planes.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2022, 10:31:02 PM »
I guess, SO WHAT. What are they really helping in the big picture. The whole country consumes 1/3 as much power every years as just New York City does. A hell of alot easier to be green when theres nobody living there.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2022, 04:48:53 AM »
The UK is building a huge nuclear power plant for primary electricity.  Wind, especially offshore wind with be the rest of the power.  No carbon dioxide, no air pollution.  This is the sane approach.  France produces 85% of it's power from nuclear power plant.

Also, a company invented a laser that can destroy nuclear waste and make it safe after about 10 days.  This is a game changer.  Granite rock contains 5% uranium, so we have a virtually endless supply of nuclear material.  It can be extracted from granite dust in granite mining and production operations. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2022, 10:16:31 PM »
beam me up scotty. Why hasnt there been a single word on that magical laser that destroys radioactivity. Hell all our fears of nucellar war are over. id think that one would be on every news television station and internet news media in the world.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2022, 05:58:10 AM »
The laser destroys the spent uranium by breaking up the atoms into the particles of electrons, protons, and neutrons at a much faster pace than waiting for them to deteriorate over a long time.  I think it was recently developed in Japan.  They will eventually be available to others, probably at a price. 

However, breeder reactors can burn up 90% of the spent fuel rods.  They can also be used to make bombs.  Australia is building breeder reactors and is going to take the spent fuel rods from others to use.  Jimmy Carter wouldn't allow any breeder reactors to be built for fear someone would steal the technology and make bombs.  Australia is not worried about that.  I've always thought why not put the breeder reactors on nuclear powered ships.  That way they could take the spend fuel rods from the private companies reactors to burn them up. 

Like I have said in other areas, I am not against drilling, fracking or other ways to get fuel to keep costs down.  However, this can only go on for so long.  We use so much fuel as is.  I say build nuke plants where the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine.  Put windmills in areas where they can actually pay for themselves with power produced.  Solar is too expensive for homeowners, but power companies could put them on flat top buildings and over parking lots to shade them.  A lot of power can be produced that way.  A 100 mile x 100 square mile array of solar panels in the desert can power the whole country, but most people live east of the Mississippi.   

Like I said, any alternative has to be planned out and be cost effective before being put into place.

One of the problems with wind is like in west Texas.  The wind isn't blowing fast enough to help the grid right now in the summer.  Having a few natural gas fired plants that can fire up and produce power during the high air conditioning use would be nice right now.  Solar can work also during a hot sunny summer day to help with air conditioning loads.  Gas fired plants are what Alabama Power uses during summer afternoons.  They are like 747 jet engines turning a generator.  They can be producing power in 5 minutes after start up.  Two of these are about 30 minutes from where I live. 

If they want to get rid of fossil fuels producing power, nukes are the only real way to do it consistently.  Wind and solar with battery backup would only supplement the nukes. 

Then you worry about cars after the grid is strong and robust.  By then maybe cars can fast charge.   
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2022, 11:16:23 PM »
and i have no problem with new nukes being built but that sentiment isnt shared with half of america. The greenies on the left want nothing to do with nukes. Even though they are hands down the best technology we have today to create clean energy.
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2022, 01:10:50 PM »
From the experience around where I live regarding nuclear power plants, I do not have anything good to say about it.  It might be non-polluting if handled with all the right regulations, but there is nothing to guarantee that is going to happen.  I live about eight miles from a defunct nuclear plant that no one knows what lurks in some of the tanks that still exist there.  It's all off limits and sits there forever rotting away. 

A friend of mine is a nuclear engineer of sorts that worked at the plant and after it shut down, he traveled all over the world decommissioning nuclear power plants.  Some of his stories are enough to scare anyone away from this type of energy.  As long as there are viable alternatives that don't leave a legacy of decay and untenable waste behind, I will favor other systems.  Cost effective is a huge factor and when all costs are added up, nuclear just is not the way to go--yet.
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2022, 01:18:14 PM »
I'm all for nuclear power.  Cheap and it produces a lot for the fuel.
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2022, 10:58:26 PM »
God didnt put electric plants next to trees in the woods. Its  just like anything else that has to be produced. There are byproducts from production. So you either take a chance on nukes that have a pretty good track record for safety. Or you stand up for coal and gas plants that will pollute even when running perfectly or you put windmills and solar panels on every available inch of ground in the country and even then have brown outs and rationed power. Bottom line out of the three coal and gas will be the cheapest and produce plenty of power. Nukes probably the cleanest that still produces enough power and solar and wind that just isnt viable today. So it just might come down to you having a choice. Either allow nukes to be built or pay 5 times more for your power and still get used to brown outs, blackouts and hours each day when your power is shut off.

We have to step up today because were at the brink of that scenario right now. My choice? Hands down build more cheap coal fired power plants. But as it is our demand grows every day and there shutting down coal fired plants every day and not replacing the generation capacity of those plants because the alternatives are to expensive. We are heading full bore into a crisis and very few people even on conservative news stations talk about it. They will spend billions on roads, sewers and welfare and illegals but spend nothing on or even make it easier for electric companys to build new plants to produce power. Just picture the riots in NYC and LA when the power goes out for days at a time. When elderly people up north freeze to death in the winter because theres no power to run there furnaces. When you cant even get gas because the gas station cant pump gas, cant cook your food. Just picture the millions of cell phone addicts that cant charge there phone. People  that have forgot all other means of communication. NOTHING happens in the world anymore without electricity.

Its every bit as vital to the world as fossil fuels are. Yet nobody seems to care. Talk about heads in the sand. This is as much of a socialist game plan as fossil fuels are. Thats why it isnt talked about. They want to quietly let this happen so they can control who gets power and who doesnt and use it as leverage. Come talk to me when you pay your 1000 dollars for next months ration of power. Just about everyone has metering that allows the power company to remotely shut you off. Think there wasnt a reason for that. In a couple years youll be begging for a new nuke starting up in your state to give you reliable resonably priced electricity. for those in fear.

 The military has A LOT of nukes. carriers cruisers and hundreds of subs. "The US Navy has accumulated over 6200 reactor-years of accident-free experience involving 526 nuclear reactor cores over the course of 240 million miles, without a single radiological incident, over a period of more than 50 years" Your much safer with a nuke power plant behind your house then a school today.
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2022, 12:26:32 AM »
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Well aside from being the most expensive power ever devised by man, and the downstream waste issues, each nuclear power plant is a potential Fukushima _ _ just ask any terrorist organization. Just lob a cruise missile into one of these plants for maximum mayhem.
what are these "down stream waste issues" you refer to. Show me (on a non conspiracy theory website) some proof to that claim. with your train of thought we should scrap every air craft carrier and submarine in the navy today to avoid something simular. The same navy thats ran them for 60 years without one single incident. Id also like to see reputable facts on nukes being the most expensive power in the world. Now ill grant you there much more expensive to build but factor in 30 years of not having to buy a single pound of coal or a single gallon of fuel while your cranking out a 1000 megawatts. Now compare that to the cost of a solar or wind farm that puts out that much power Fact is youd probably have to buy half a state to make one that big. Theres good reason it hasnt been done. Now like i did say if your looking for cheap its coal all the way. Nothing else is even close. Now a 1000s is low balling. The largest nuke in the US puts out 3000 and the largest in the world in japan put out near 8000 megawatts. You have to cover every acre of land south of the mason dixon line with wind turbines and solar panels to put that much out. What do you think that would cost?? What would it cost just to get land rights to do it?? Or are you for the government forcing us to put windmills and solar pannels on our private land. Texas learned a hard lesson. Seems everyone else wants to ignore it and pretend it didnt happen. That is just a hang nail compared to what will happen in 10 years if we  dont start building nukes or coal fired power plants today.
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2022, 12:52:39 AM »
do you realize that about the only bad by product of nuke power is the spent fuel rods. Do you also know that they can actually be recycled and used again? Why arent they? Well Jimmy carters administration banned recycling them. WHY? You cant make this crap up!! BECAUSE THEY CAN BE USED TO MAKE BOMBS WHICH WE MAKE ANYWAY!! Speaking of recycling do you know that our new modern nuke navy is powered but fuel rods that were made from the nukes that were scrapped after the cold war ended. Man thats GLOWING GREEN!!! ;D Youd think the hippys would be all about this. Getting rid of nukes and using them to produce clean power. But then theyd like the see the miltary go away right along with the police.
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2022, 01:12:52 AM »
heres the facts. Today in the us 1.2 million megawatts are produced daily. 63 percent of that from fossil fuels. I rounded to 60 percent and came up with the fact that if we are going to go green we need 720,000 megawatts of power for some other green means. Now factor in we barely get by on 1.2 million and some claim in 5 years demand will increase by 50 percent. Thats ALOT of (censored word) solar panels and wind turbines. Then ask what are we actually doing to address this? Answer NOTHING. Unless you count the fact there making it impossible for coal fired plants to make a profit (intentionally) so if anything we are going in the opposite direction. This is a much bigger crisis then inflation, but nobody dares speak about it.

 I know i have a bit better perspective on this then most becuase i worked in the industry for a good part of my adult life but i really shake my head. Are people really this stupid?? Maybe so when some think there being pollution free driving an electric car or heating there home with electricity of charging there cell phone every night. I really do think some believe theres a power fairy in the ground that gives us clean green electricity to use. Same hypocrites that scream global warming and green energy that come home from work (most in a gas powered car) turn all the lights on in the house. Fire up the tv or stereo. Open the electric fridge to get a beer, bottle of wine and something for supper. Then cook it in a big oven when they could do it in a little toaster oven. Eat the food that was grown with chemical fertilizer and farmed with fossil fuel powered rigs and then take a nice long hot shower from an electric hot water heater and then sit down in front of there 60 inch tv with the heat or air on tapping on there phones while there plugged into the charger and tapping some totaly insane post of a new green deal /global warming webisite about how much they care.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2022, 04:22:55 AM »
https://www.theage.com.au/national/nuclear-power-cheaper-safer-than-coal-and-gas-20060605-ge2gcl.html#:~:text=NUCLEAR%20power%20could%20be%20cheaper%20than%20electricity%20produced,damage%20and%20will%20be%20much%20safer%2C%20it%20says.  something i dug up with a quick search. Dont claim to know its a legit web page though. But ive heard this before. About every nuke ever built was a custom project. Where as comanys like babcock boilers and westinghouse turbines have package deals with proven coal and gas boiler turbine combos for the mw's needed. So there are many big power plants across the world that are near identical in construction. What is needed for nukes to work is the same. Probably is because of fear every country and even state  has different rules and standards. Some so crazy that they make building one a losing proposition other then the lowering of green house gasses. but its like i said many times. If cost is the main consideration (and i beleive it should be) then its coal all the way. Always has been.

But you can look about everywhere and what you dont see are dangerous accidents, Matter of fact its actually more dangerous to work in a coal fired or natural gas fired plant then a nuke. Hardest job in a nuke plant is staying awake because everything is controled for you and has double and tripple redundancys in any area that could cause an unsafe senerio. Terroist attacks. More fairy tales. Nukes are fortified to take exterior explosions and have securtity on board 24/7. Terrorist want a much easier target. Look even in the Ukraine when russia was pounding on that nuke. It would about take a nuke bomb to cause a radiation leak at a nuke facility by a terrorist. if nuke reactors werent safe or were easily destroyed do you really think america and russia would have them in there most important ships. Hundreds of reactors floating around and in the ocean as i type this.
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2022, 04:58:34 AM »
I've seen where they want to develop smaller self contained nuclear power plants that can be buried.  They would be brought in on a flatbed truck.  One could serve 500-800 homes.  They would have enough fuel to run 20 years.  Then they could be refueled.  This would help eliminate terrorist from blowing one up.  They could also blow up windmills.  Russia bombed a solar power farm in Ukraine.  It cut power production in about half.  Large natural gas facilities are above ground.  Oil refineries are above ground.  Water filtration plants are above ground.  Lots of things terrorists can hit, even a coal or natural gas fired power plant.   
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2022, 06:00:28 AM »
I've seen where they want to develop smaller self contained nuclear power plants that can be buried.  They would be brought in on a flatbed truck.  One could serve 500-800 homes.  They would have enough fuel to run 20 years.  Then they could be refueled.  This would help eliminate terrorist from blowing one up.  They could also blow up windmills.  Russia bombed a solar power farm in Ukraine.  It cut power production in about half.  Large natural gas facilities are above ground.  Oil refineries are above ground.  Water filtration plants are above ground.  Lots of things terrorists can hit, even a coal or natural gas fired power plant.
  Smaller Nuke reactors have been around  60 + years ,  My old man worked in some of the first ones  on Nuclear Submarines  in the shipyard . One problem  could be coolant water for the smaller self contained nukes ,  the large Nukes are in close proximity to rivers , or the ocean .

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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2022, 06:13:15 AM »
Originally  in 1950's the inventors of nu-clear energy  thought the plants zhould be underground for public safety reasons.  But for cooling water access and economies of scale they built these plants on highly risk prone sites.

There is no way a coal or gss fueled plant blowing up even comes remotely close to the huge mega risks of a nuke plant blowing up... not close
In fact, back in the Covidmania scare some engineers warned what would happen to nuke plants if nobody showed up for work...
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  Over half of a  Nuke containment vessel  is underground ,the only part the public sees is the top  part . I 've  worked  from top to the very bottom of a few .

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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2022, 06:22:35 AM »
https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/fuel-cells

A hydrogen fuel cell uses the chemical energy of hydrogen to produce electricity. It is a clean form of energy with electricity, heat and water being the only products and by-products. Fuel cells offer a variety of applications, from transportation to emergency back-up power, and can power systems as large as a power plant or as small as a laptop.

Canada is already using them, with great results. Why are we not?


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Well Mr Musk ,get out there and invent something else.
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2022, 06:50:54 AM »
there evil, there dangerous, there ticking time bombs. There ponderable to terrorist attacks. Where is the proof. We had three. one in japan one in russia and one in ukraine. Only one that really effected civilian populations to any extent was the one in Ukraine. How anal do we have to get. Your chances of being killed by a nuke plant in your back yard are less then getting hit crossing the street or by a drunk driver or even driving to work at that nuke power plant. Or for that matter getting struck by (censored word) lightning. I dont sit in my house and worry about nonsense like that or some idiots conspires theory off the internet. I deal much better with the real world and in the real world nukes have been phenomenally reliable and safe.  6000 reactor years for just the military with no incidents. Vounderable to attack by terroists? I think russias failure to do a thing to the one in ukraine kind of blows that out of the water. That is unless the terrorists are a much bigger and powerful army then russia had there. Even then it took russia substantial time to get control of it. Do you really think that could happen here. Wed have the national gurad and miltary there within hours. Like i said nobody yet has attempted to  make a terrorist attack on a nuke ANYWHERE. They know there just to fortified and theres much eaiser targets. With the fear levels of some here about just about everything and the support of far left policys i see here i have to wonder about some of you. Must be hell living as as a total nervous wreck worried about everything and everyone. Even getting cranked up about some bs you gleamed on the (censored word) internet. You must panic if someone 2 blocks away lights up a cigarette.
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2022, 07:10:11 AM »
The new ones they are talking about use thorium, not uranium.  It is cooler splitting the atoms, and it does not need cooling water. 

Lots of information:

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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2022, 11:36:24 AM »
Remember the K19? A massive nuke failure.  We even offered to help them.
There is a movie about it on DVD. I have it in my collection.

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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2022, 10:27:48 PM »
How many people did Fukushima kill? id bet ten times that amount were killed by drunk drivers or people texting on there phones that same day across the world. How much other pollution was put in the ocean from man made stuff?? Maybe we should ban living within 50 miles of the coast because somonis are dangerous. Mother nature did the killing there not the nuke power plant. Its about like the volcano at yellowstone erupting and an environmentalist complaining it ruptured an oil pipe line that polluted. The same silly ignorant reasons you are using to bash nukes are the same ones the environmentalists use to shut them down. To stop construction of pipe lines. To shut down existing pipe lines. They will site one incident or maybe not even one and try to scare us into drinking there kool-aid. Shutting down and banning nukes because there was a few isolated incidents is the same tactic anti gun people use. Propagate fear. Ignore the fact that a human was the cause and blame the gun. Sad thing is some that come here and claim to be conservative will argue this global warming save the planet bs that was spoon fed to them by the FAR left. But then id expect nothing less from you. You despise the truth and crave conspiracy. Its all you have left. Your whole life is digging around on conspiracy websites to find something ANYTHING to post here that you think makes you look like your intelligent when you do just the opposite. I guess if i was a russian sympathizer like you id be telling fellow americans to put up wind mills instead of nukes too. 
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Fukushima was a gargantuan mega catastrophe. Huge human and environmental toll. It's still polluting the sea of Japan. Much worse than Chernobyl.  Hundreds of acres of waste containers they still don't know what to do with them.

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My understanding is Thorium cannot in itself power a reactor; unlike natural uranium, it does not contain enough fissile material to initiate a nuclear chain reaction. As a result it must first be bombarded with neutrons to produce the highly radioactive isotope uranium-233 – 'so these are really U-233 reactors, and so the half life of waste is as long or longer than Ur waste
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Re: Transitioning to alternative energy Part 3, other sources.
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2022, 03:33:17 PM »
Most of the people near Fukushima were swept away with the Tsunami.  So, there is that.  The areas was off limits for a long time, so don't know if any got radiation poisoning, haven't heard.  Chernobyl was worse.  Lots of people near where the fallout occurred got cancer.  America has never had one melt down.  Even three mile island didn't release hardly any radiation, it was immediately shut down.  It had a containment dome and all American nuke plants have containment domes.  Russias did not.  Fukushima was hit by a tsunami and it was built like American nukes.  The only real danger of American nukes is that there is one in California built on a fault line.  I think they are in the process of shutting it down or already have.   
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Re: Transitioning to alternative energy Part 3, other sources.
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2022, 12:03:20 AM »
they even had tiny modular ones that were designed to be able to be assembled on site and power remote military bases. Even had mobile ones on trucks and trains. some of those were actually used in the early 60s. I think one ran for over 2 years. There was actually a rating in the air force and army for nuke power plant operators.
I've seen where they want to develop smaller self contained nuclear power plants that can be buried.  They would be brought in on a flatbed truck.  One could serve 500-800 homes.  They would have enough fuel to run 20 years.  Then they could be refueled.  This would help eliminate terrorist from blowing one up.  They could also blow up windmills.  Russia bombed a solar power farm in Ukraine.  It cut power production in about half.  Large natural gas facilities are above ground.  Oil refineries are above ground.  Water filtration plants are above ground.  Lots of things terrorists can hit, even a coal or natural gas fired power plant.
  Smaller Nuke reactors have been around  60 + years ,  My old man worked in some of the first ones  on Nuclear Submarines  in the shipyard . One problem  could be coolant water for the smaller self contained nukes ,  the large Nukes are in close proximity to rivers , or the ocean .
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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2022, 09:33:41 AM »
The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 includes money for nuclear reactors. I think that is a good thing.

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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2022, 04:15:09 PM »
"Nuclear thus remains the dispatchable low-carbon technology with the lowest expected costs in 2025. Only large hydro reservoirs can provide a similar contribution at comparable costs but remain highly dependent on the natural endowments of individual countries. Compared to fossil fuel-based generation, nuclear plants are expected to be more affordable than coal-fired plants. "

https://www.iea.org/reports/projected-costs-of-generating-electricity-2020

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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2022, 11:36:03 PM »
i worked in power plants and as a lineman most of my life. I will tell you a litte secret about power compays. there as crooked as the government. They will push misinformation with a smile on there face. For every article you can find saying nukes dont make money i can find one that says then do. Alot of this is the coal power industry doesnt want nukes and the nuke power industry wants to push the coal plants into the history books. What is truely a fact that about nobody disputes is wind and solar today arent money makers. electric companys are forced by the government to use them for a percentage of there production. If not they wouldnt touch them with a 10 foot pole. Fact is we electrical rate payers subsidize green energy every time we pay our bill. Think about it for a minute. Power companys not only are cut throat organizations but there the only utility that is controled by the govrenment. If they fight the government there screwed because the government controls the rate they can charge for power. What other industry is in fact more socialist then the power industry. So when you read that nukes dont make money or solar wind and hydro are the future keep in mind that its the government saying that and a power industry that is afraid to call them out on there lies. 

The real truth is theres only one way to make cheap power. Same as its always been and thats coal. Even natural gas is much more expensive. Truth is the same hippys that dont want coal dont want nukes either and spread disinformation on both and who right now is in charge of this country!! Not only that but control most of the internet your getting you info from. Socialist propaganda. Not one bit diifferent then the socialist trying to force electric cars on us before the technology is there they do the same with the power industry. Trying to shove solar and wind down our throats that just doesnt work. Closing down coal fired plants and trying to stop fossil fuel cars and trucks when the smart money would be trying to make them pollute less. The emissions put out by the power plant i worked at were half what they were in 78 when i started working there then they were 3 years ago when they shut it down. Take about clean coal power technology and to the libs its like bashing lesbians. They want there hippy agenda period end of story and arent willing to even discuss other options. If you doubt that just look at bidens willingness to even budge one tiny bit on the oil industry.
The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 includes money for nuclear reactors. I think that is a good thing.
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Except no nuclear power plant has ever operated at a profit, and must be supported by socialistic funding and more security statismm, because nuclear power is the most expensive form of power generation ever devised by man, and why utility bills will sky rocket.
'Inflation Reduction Act'...... yep, that's a good one!
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Re: Transitioning to alternative energy Part 3, other sources.
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2022, 12:46:01 AM »
sorry but none of us are stewards of the planet. Each and every man and women and child on the planet uses the planted and depletes about everything it contains. People who claim to be stewards are just hypocrites. Same ones that scream for green energy but come home and turn on the ac or crank up the heat. Same ones that drive fossil fuel or electric cars (they both pollute) instead of peddling a bike. We have polititians in DC that scream global warming and green energy that in private jets to show up at rally's and meetings about it. Not a single one of them living in a 2 bedroom easy on the environment homes. Nope. They live with there wifes in 10 bedroom homes. Just the fact your on here means you really dont care. Your creating pollution powering up your laptop or charging your phone. We even had leftist so hypocritical that they scream green energy and go to a pot store and buy pot that was under massive grow lights for months. People can pretend to be green and pretend to care but when it comes right down to being inconvenienced it comes down to whether its them or you that's inconvenienced. They will make rules and laws to control the way you use the planet but dont dare tell them they have to make sacrifiices. Fact is WE ALL polute and WE ALL are using up the planet and it will be that way till man goes extinct which is just the way life works. If in the big picture that happens 5 or 10 years sooner I could care less.

As to military and military spending. You have a choice. Either you lead, you keep up or you die. Which do you choose. Its easy to spout off against military spending for some. Same ones that let others fight for our right to be a country and allow people to spout that kind of bs. So whats your suggestion? We scrap all our nukes?? How long before china and russia come knocking on our doors!! But then someone as pro putin as you  probably wouldnt mind that. Lets ask Ukraine if they feel today scrapping theres was a mistake!! So what do you want. Everyoone else to fight for you but not at your expense?? If you got more then lip service as to how to disarm the world and bring peace and love to everyone speak up. Dont worry because theres thousands of men and even women with a bigger set then you willing to die for your right to talk out your ass.
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Re: Transitioning to alternative energy Part 3, other sources.
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2022, 05:46:28 AM »
So sorry for you Lloyd. Such a bitter nasty selfish soul.

If you're a Christian, and not a poser Christian, you are commanded directly to be a steward of God's Creation. Literally, a steward of the Garden; not a rapist of the Garden as you profess.

Because GBO mgt doesn't like threads drifting into religious discussion, I'll just leave you with this information:
https://www.geneva.edu/community/environmental-stewardship/why_care

But knowing there's little hope for you to become
one of the Human Beings.
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So you threw out your car, your furnace, your ac, pulled the plug on the power company altogether. Surely dont go on a computer or cell phone. You must live in a dirt house with animal skins for clothes. EIther that our your just another hypocrite thats no better then the far left. Your judging my christianity is a bigger joke. Just judging me your breaking on of the most important thing Jesus taught. Just an dried up old man that has nothing to do but search the internet for some fragament of news be it true or just obviously nut case to post here to try to look intellegent when in fact it just shows how vain your really are. At least im honest. I dont pretend or lie. Truth is you pollute just as much as me or anyone else here. You are no steward of anything other then maybe your recliner. By the way i wouldnt in a million years open a link you posted and give those nutcases another notch in there belt to claim as membership or viewers. It would probably get me put on some list of people to watch.
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