Poking the bear: the world isn’t buying our western values

[Mule 11]

Article at wnd.com.    It is in the commentary section.
An interesting read and I realize the commentary is not in line with some of your thoughts. If you read past what you don’t agree with I’m sure you will shortly realize that you agree with much of it

COMMENTARY WND NEWS CENTER
WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS
Poking the bear: The world isn't buying our Western 'values'
Exclusive: David McQuade points out Beijing's 'red line' may actually be one
David McQuade   By David McQuade
Published August 1, 2022 at 8:56pm

Not to suggest the oligarchy ruling class is any better for the average Russian, but after the fall of the Soviet Union and communism, religion and biblical values at least made a powerful resurgence and now play a vital role in the region. As a result, values, or the perceived lack thereof, serve as a cudgel on both sides of the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Western values – whatever they are at the moment, inexplicable and forever morphing – are directly fueling the world's escalating and volatile geopolitical conflicts.

To be clear, Vladimir Putin is no saint. However, we've made it an easy lift for him to leverage what he calls "decadent Western values" against us and seize moral high ground with other world powers and his citizens alike. That includes the influential Russian Orthodox Church.

The Wall Street Journal reported this week:

"In Moscow, the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, blessed Russian troops and proclaimed the war in Ukraine a metaphysical conflict between the faithful of God and a 'decadent West.'"



Regardless of what our culturally naïve political class indignantly insists, it was perceived a moral imperative for Putin and his religious allies to take back critical territory along his border that for a century was a part of the Russian state, lest it too become a "decadent," card-carrying, missile-carrying member of NATO with a president chosen and groomed by the U.S. (talk about "foreign interference").

Ukraine's corrupt oligarchy has thrown in with "decadent Western values" so completely that its newly sainted president dances in high heels and drag when not sitting for Vanity Fair features. No wonder he's proven such an iconic hero to the modern left – and such an enemy of the Orthodox Church.

But it's not simply him, or even Putin's bitterness over being used as whipping boy in a failed attempt to blame someone else for losing a presidential election. Putin perceives a clear and present danger from the leftist West – the "decadent" and corrosive abandonment of any and all traditional values.

From his perspective it would be like ignoring a fast-metastasizing cancer. Waiting was not an option.

Still, war is hell, and innocents are being brutally crushed in Ukraine as we go broke prolonging their suffering. The nightmare unfolds in living color 24/7, even if not materially different from ongoing conflicts in Africa that go uncovered by Western media.

But regardless of what we think of his war, shoring up Russia's autonomy and centuries-old cultural identity was a timely, now-or-never proposition for Putin, further painted into a corner with threats of regime change.

America's abject weakness and humiliating capitulation in Afghanistan wasn't lost on Putin. Nor was the sad fact that our sitting president is beholden to his family's benefactors to include Ukrainian oligarchs and the CCP. He also couldn't help but notice our dangerously divided nation with a generation of American-flag-loathing ideologues.

His timing was perfect. As it will be for China when it makes its long awaited move on Taiwan soon. America will then be forced to choose between multiple theaters of engagement, otherwise known as a "world war." Or as arrogant, globalist leftists like to think of it, "the Great Reset," a golden opportunity to instantly reduce population and war profiteer. Fallout shelters are being built for such nihilistic elitists as we speak.

Another intentionally dangerous foreign policy blunder is getting ready to unfold just this week. Washington knows well this is not the China of 1997 when Newt Gingrich visited Taiwan. It's never wise to saber rattle and poke yet another sworn nuclear enemy in the eye unless fully prepared to use the saber.

And don't overlook that Nancy Pelosi may be the worst possible representative from the U.S. to send into such a volatile, culturally sensitive conflict. Beijing's values diametrically oppose those of San Francisco's. Washington may as well spit in their eye and insist it's raining. China's "red line" may actually be one, and the Speaker is stomping on it like a petulant child.

Meanwhile, America appears determined not only to provoke its nuclear enemies, but to further shove "decadent Western values" down the throats of ancient cultures who will fight to the death for the sake of deeply held beliefs and cultural identities.

That certainly includes China, who aligns with the progressive left only on the issue of abortion (in their case, forced, and deeply admired by progressives). It also includes Russia, Iran and much of the Middle East, for starters. Dangerous alliances are also forming with nuclear India and its 1.2 billion people, the majority Hindu and relatively secure in their "gender identities."

I shouldn't have to remind our political class that residing in the 10/40 window, between 10 and 40 degrees north, live 5.26 billion people. And not a single massive nation state pretends to embrace progressive's utopian vision of a global culture that redefines everything, including the definition of a man and a woman.

Compare that to America's relatively paltry population of just 331 million, only a small portion of which are secular progressives who believe they're entitled to rule the world.

Speaking of the Middle East, America's hopeful savior from its self-induced energy crisis, we continue to work overtime to codify our reputation as "The Great Satan." Many understandably mock us while redistributing our relinquished weapons.

Because of this dangerous geopolitical dynamic and loss of moral high ground, look for increasing militant pushback of America's arrogant if not bewildering post-modern worldview. It's a poison pill most world powers refuse to swallow, even if we are determined to commit cultural and national suicide.

Someone once said "All global conflict is spiritual at its core."

It may indeed be a "metaphysical conflict" the way I read the book of Revelation. But we need not deliberately hasten our own demise. Thankfully, 2 Chronicles 7:14 is also still in the Owner's Manual, "If my people, called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land."

It's surprisingly formulaic – and completely up to us.

Fellow Americans, we are down to a single saving hope to preserve our once "Nation Under God" as a free and prosperous land and force for good rather than evil: Revival. Otherwise, I'm sorry to say all bets are off. And our day of reckoning is closer than we think.

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[NWBear]

The "Decadent West" , sounds like an Al Qaeda line, I wonder if that is where they got it???

[ironglow]

Article at wnd.com.    It is in the commentary section.
An interesting read and I realize the commentary is not in line with some of your thoughts. If you read past what you don’t agree with I’m sure you will shortly realize that you agree with much of it

COMMENTARY WND NEWS CENTER
WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS
Poking the bear: The world isn't buying our Western 'values'
Exclusive: David McQuade points out Beijing's 'red line' may actually be one
David McQuade   By David McQuade
Published August 1, 2022 at 8:56pm

Not to suggest the oligarchy ruling class is any better for the average Russian, but after the fall of the Soviet Union and communism, religion and biblical values at least made a powerful resurgence and now play a vital role in the region. As a result, values, or the perceived lack thereof, serve as a cudgel on both sides of the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Religion yes, "Biblical values"?.. that is questionable..  Like the Chinese communist country, there is the "state church" and hundreds of "house churches".



Western values – whatever they are at the moment, inexplicable and forever morphing – are directly fueling the world's escalating and volatile geopolitical conflicts.
 
   No doubt, the western values of some has done a bit of fueling, but so also has the drive for imperialism, by Putin.

To be clear, Vladimir Putin is no saint. However, we've made it an easy lift for him to leverage what he calls "decadent Western values" against us and seize moral high ground with other world powers and his citizens alike. That includes the influential Russian Orthodox Church.

 The Wall Street Journal reported this week:

"In Moscow, the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, blessed Russian troops and proclaimed the war in Ukraine a metaphysical conflict between the faithful of God and a 'decadent West.'"

  The eastern orthodox has resurged..under a potentate who is Putin's chosen vehicle.  Check up on him.
 
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2022/05/03/pope-francis-slams-russian-patriarch-kirill-putins-altar-boy/


Regardless of what our culturally naïve political class indignantly insists, it was perceived a moral imperative for Putin and his religious allies to take back critical territory along his border that for a century was a part of the Russian state, lest it too become a "decadent," card-carrying, missile-carrying member of NATO with a president chosen and groomed by the U.S. (talk about "foreign interference"). 
 
   [/color=red]Cuba, the Philipines and the Japanese islands we captured during WW2 along with western Germany. They were all gladly handed back to their respective populations.   
  Russia took control of the Balkans, and eastern Europe, to include Poland, Czechoslavakia, Hungary, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia,  etc, etc., during WW2.   They only grudgingly gave them up when the Soviet Union went broke ...and the people in each of those nations decided they were infinitely better off without Russia.[/color]

  Have you already forgotten the headlong rush for people to get past the Iron curtain, a d breathe the air of freedom  As a result of OUR beating Japan during WW2..Russia claimed the Kurile Islands of Japan..they filched them, and STILL refuse to hand them back...as we did with Okinawa, Saipan, Iwo jima etc, etc.[/color]

Ukraine's corrupt oligarchy has thrown in with "decadent Western values" so completely that its newly sainted president dances in high heels and drag when not sitting for Vanity Fair features. No wonder he's proven such an iconic hero to the modern left – and such an enemy of the Orthodox Church.

  Here, the author doesn't even try to hide his bias against America and his praise of Russia.
 Does he mention where he lives?  Perhaps like that ball player Griner, he would like to taste Russia..

But it's not simply him, or even Putin's bitterness over being used as whipping boy in a failed attempt to blame someone else for losing a presidential election. Putin perceives a clear and present danger from the leftist West – the "decadent" and corrosive abandonment of any and all traditional values.
 
 That writer must be a Democrat!  He seems to be saying that Putin is POed because Trump blamed him for the crooked election.  Think back...it was the Democrats who were blaming Russia, Russia, Russia !

From his perspective it would be like ignoring a fast-metastasizing cancer. Waiting was not an option.

  Oh yes!  Holy Vlad..trained by the KGB to be a moral crusader !   
  Remember, when Hitler went conquering, it was to help the "suffering people" of the nations he invaded..

Still, war is hell, and innocents are being brutally crushed in Ukraine as we go broke prolonging their suffering. The nightmare unfolds in living color 24/7, even if not materially different from ongoing conflicts in Africa that go uncovered by Western media.

Small correction; we are not prolonging the suffering, Putin is !  He started the invasion, he can give up and back out at any time.  I am sure the Ukrainians would wave goodbye !

But regardless of what we think of his war, shoring up Russia's autonomy and centuries-old cultural identity was a timely, now-or-never proposition for Putin, further painted into a corner with threats of regime change.

America's abject weakness and humiliating capitulation in Afghanistan wasn't lost on Putin. Nor was the sad fact that our sitting president is beholden to his family's benefactors to include Ukrainian oligarchs and the CCP. He also couldn't help but notice our dangerously divided nation with a generation of American-flag-loathing ideologues.
  Crooked, senile Joe gets no defense here.  ..But since  Joe is senile and crooked, that doesn't make Putin's invasion of a neighbor country right in any way!

His timing was perfect. As it will be for China when it makes its long awaited move on Taiwan soon. America will then be forced to choose between multiple theaters of engagement, otherwise known as a "world war." Or as arrogant, globalist leftists like to think of it, "the Great Reset," a golden opportunity to instantly reduce population and war profiteer. Fallout shelters are being built for such nihilistic elitists as we speak.
  The writer may have been happily anticipating the CCP move on Taiwan, but that is not guaranteed..especially since America is not alone.  China is not sitting so pretty either..their economy is about to tank...and they have no allies around the South China Sea..most being our allies.
  Then too, with various factors, including their "one child policy", their population is aging, and they will soon jhis a 'worker shortage".

Another intentionally dangerous foreign policy blunder is getting ready to unfold just this week. Washington knows well this is not the China of 1997 when Newt Gingrich visited Taiwan. It's never wise to saber rattle and poke yet another sworn nuclear enemy in the eye unless fully prepared to use the saber.

  ..And of course, China and Russia must consider the same..possible ramifications!

And don't overlook that Nancy Pelosi may be the worst possible representative from the U.S. to send into such a volatile, culturally sensitive conflict. Beijing's values diametrically oppose those of San Francisco's. Washington may as well spit in their eye and insist it's raining. China's "red line" may actually be one, and the Speaker is stomping on it like a petulant child.

..And do you consider the CCP to be morally superior to Pelosi?  This writer seems to think the
 Chinese communists (who butchered 100 million of their own citizens) and the Russian neo-communist leaders seem to hold some kind of moral high ground. Where did they suddenly come up with that?

Meanwhile, America appears determined not only to provoke its nuclear enemies, but to further shove "decadent Western values" down the throats of ancient cultures who will fight to the death for the sake of deeply held beliefs and cultural identities.
  Have you noticed...there are many Americans who are "fighting for "deeply held beliefs"?
 It sure would help if some other American would climb down out of the pout wagon...and help pull !

That certainly includes China, who aligns with the progressive left only on the issue of abortion (in their case, forced, and deeply admired by progressives). It also includes Russia, Iran and much of the Middle East, for starters. Dangerous alliances are also forming with nuclear India and its 1.2 billion people, the majority Hindu and relatively secure in their "gender identities."

  This cockeyed author sounds like a leftist himself..seemingly lumping ALL Americans into one faceless, nameless mob!  No question, CXhina, Ruissia and Iran are fighting for one common, "deeply held belief..that of expansionism.
  If Putin is such a pious Christian fellow, why is he teaming up with the top Islamist terrorist state?

I shouldn't have to remind our political class that residing in the 10/40 window, between 10 and 40 degrees north, live 5.26 billion people. And not a single massive nation state pretends to embrace progressive's utopian vision of a global culture that redefines everything, including the definition of a man and a woman.
 
   Relax, neither do I, or millions of other Americans embrace such a philosophy.  ..But I am nbot yet ready to give up on America, an dhand our constitutional freedoms over to hapless Joe or any of those totalitarian states, such as Russia, China or Iran.

Compare that to America's relatively paltry population of just 331 million, only a small portion of which are secular progressives who believe they're entitled to rule the world.
  ...But this bird seems to think, China, Iran or Russia are entitled to rule the word...and we Americans should just get out of the way and allow them to do so!

Speaking of the Middle East, America's hopeful savior from its self-induced energy crisis, we continue to work overtime to codify our reputation as "The Great Satan." Many understandably mock us while redistributing our relinquished weapons.

..And we have mocking traitors, right here within our own people!

Because of this dangerous geopolitical dynamic and loss of moral high ground, look for increasing militant pushback of America's arrogant if not bewildering post-modern worldview. It's a poison pill most world powers refuse to swallow, even if we are determined to commit cultural and national suicide.

  Ahh, right there..didhe gave himself away..a post-modernist perhaps !

Someone once said "All global conflict is spiritual at its core."

It may indeed be a "metaphysical conflict" the way I read the book of Revelation. But we need not deliberately hasten our own demise. Thankfully, 2 Chronicles 7:14 is also still in the Owner's Manual, "If my people, called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land."

Here's a clue...Unlike what the Iranian mullahs think..we cannot either hasten or delay prophesy. God is still in charge.  The REAL God !

It's surprisingly formulaic – and completely up to us.

Fellow Americans, we are down to a single saving hope to preserve our once "Nation Under God" as a free and prosperous land and force for good rather than evil: Revival. Otherwise, I'm sorry to say all bets are off. And our day of reckoning is closer than we think.
  ..And friend, what are you doing toward a revival?  Are you struggling to fulfill the "great commission" daily?

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  The author is evidently a Christian writer, but seems to think Russia and Iran are forces for good, where does he get that?  The Russian orthodox potentate is a Putin sellout...and making much money for being so..perhaps just another oligarch..   https://euobserver.com/opinion/154488

  I don't like the "wokists", the Biden administration, or the depravity of the west, but I am not ready to hand over the future of my grandchildren to the "mercies' of Russia, China or Iran !

  Too many are conflating Putin and Biden..two different cats, but neither worth anything to humanity.

  Who is to say Biden and Putin are not working to serve the Russia/Iran alliance, especially since Hunter has been getting the big payoffs?

  Russia needs big bucks to prosecute the war, and he has petroleum to sell..but America is producing so much, he has problems marketing his oil. 
  Joe takes office, and shuts down nearly all our production, and stops our pipeline expansion.
  Then he approves Russia's pipeline  into western Europe

  Now he is aching to give Iran $155 billion to boost their nuclear efforts..

  Since the writer is supposed to be  a knowledgeable Christian and familiar with prophecy, he should know the "big one" will start in the middle east, and among the anti God forces will be Russia and Iran.

 

[Ranger99]

The "Decadent West" , sounds like an Al Qaeda line, I wonder if that is where they got it???

There are many many right here
in the US that support middle eastern
terrorist motives and hate everything
the US stands for, even though they're
right here and taking advantage of
our freedoms, but would never ever
consider packing up and leaving.
Kinda like the many IRA supporters
that were so vocal some decades ago

[Mule 11]

IG. You sure see things through a crap load of bias. He must be a dem? Come on man... You must be angry that he is a Christian and would put some of the Blame somewhere besides putin. Or is it because he talked about why the left loves zelensky for wearing high heels and being a drag queen. You definitely are drinking buckets of kool aid as usual when it has anything to do with Ukraine... Insinuating I and others should pull for America? When it comes to Ukraine you should try it sometime...

[ironglow]

IG. You sure see things through a crap load of bias. He must be a dem? Come on man... You must be angry that he is a Christian and would put some of the Blame somewhere besides putin. Or is it because he talked about why the left loves zelensky for wearing high heels and being a drag queen. You definitely are drinking buckets of kool aid as usual when it has anything to do with Ukraine... Insinuating I and others should pull for America? When it comes to Ukraine you should try it sometime...

   Too much incoherence, clarify please...

[Mule 11]

IG. You sure see things through a crap load of bias. He must be a dem? Come on man... You must be angry that he is a Christian and would put some of the Blame somewhere besides putin. Or is it because he talked about why the left loves zelensky for wearing high heels and being a drag queen. You definitely are drinking buckets of kool aid as usual when it has anything to do with Ukraine... Insinuating I and others should pull for America? When it comes to Ukraine you should try it sometime...

   Too much incoherence, clarify please...

My thoughts about your statements also...
Your bias and prejudice are blinding you. Which 30 or so of your puking points of contention would you like to debate? Your (as usual) misunderstanding of statements due to being blinded by pre conceived ideas makes discussion with you both rediculous and a waste of time as it will only create more points of contention in need of endless clarification and I just don’t care that much to argue with you. I posted a commentary and you did your usual for any subject you disagree with. You could not find 1 thing to agree with...

Too much ignorance, clarify please...

[ironglow]

 
   "Too much ignorance, clarify please..."


   Sorry about your ignorance, but I will try to clarify for you...

  The WEF, Russia, the CCP, Iran and the globalists are not rivals...they are all pickers in the same berry patch.

  At the moment they are not too hostile with one another, and even assist each other at times.  Consider Boden
  cancelling our pre-eminent position with petroleum, when it was discovered that Putin needs to sell oil, in order
    to  prosecute the war in the Ukraine.

  So, who is their common enemy?  We are pal, and it is not good to support progress for any of the plans they
  have in store for us.
  The Russians starved many of the people of the Ukraine when they were able to do it, so why should the
    Ukrainians decide to trust them now?

  The sooner people learn that it is the world's elites against the rest of us, the better off we will all be...

[Mule 11]

“ The wef, Russia, the ccp , Iran and the globalists are not rivals” yep, sorry about your ignorance... Biden answers to all who have paid along with much of the 500 plus in power. The reason Russia as you say “ prosecute the war in Ukraine” is because his red line in the sand had been crossed literally spitting in their faces. I guess that’s your idea of diplomacy? You decide to trust our government propaganda and media now? Of course the worlds elites are against us. How obviously ignorant. And, I’m not your pal, PAL...

[Bob Riebe]

The only truly major result of this Russian invasion is whom ever takes over when Putin goes, will be fully aware of how inept Russian military is.

Probably the one thing China does not want to happen.

[Mule 11]

IG, remember you and your PAL fawning over Candace Owens? Here is what she said about the porn star zelensky. “ President zelensky is a very bad character who is working with the globalists against the interests of his own people. I will not move one inch away from that assessment - ever - no matter how flowery the media depictions of him are”. Now you can turn your back on her also per your m.o. Butt on the upside Liz Cheney agrees with you, along with joe biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, are you getting the idea yet in that thick, what was your term? Oh yeah, “incoherent” brain...

[ironglow]

“ The wef, Russia, the ccp , Iran and the globalists are not rivals” yep, sorry about your ignorance... Biden answers to all who have paid along with much of the 500 plus in power. The reason Russia as you say “ prosecute the war in Ukraine” is because his red line in the sand had been crossed literally spitting in their faces. I guess that’s your idea of diplomacy? You decide to trust our government propaganda and media now? Of course the worlds elites are against us. How obviously ignorant. And, I’m not your pal, PAL...

  So, what was Putin's red line in the sand, and who crossed it?  Did Putin place some sort of a 'red line' within the sovereign borders of a neighboring country?

"Come let us reason together" (Isa 1:18)...  Statesmen the world over have pointed out that Putin is Hell bent or re-establishing the old USSR..with all it's "features".  He has moved against all those formerly captive republics..Georgia, Khazakstan, Crimea and now the rest of the Ukraine.
   Naturally the Poles, Czechs, Romanians, along with the rest of the Slavic countries, along with the Baltic nations, are very concerned for their independence.
 
  A pure "land grab", Biden only comes into play because he is obviously so weak that he invited the hostile invasion.

   Meanwhile, this may help to cool Putin's ardor:   
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/05/finland-and-sweden-move-a-step-closer-to-nato-membership.html
 

[nw_hunter]

  IG Said....

   Sorry about your ignorance, but I will try to clarify for you...

  The WEF, Russia, the CCP, Iran and the globalists are not rivals...they are all pickers in the same berry patch.

I'm sure Globalists are entrenched in most governments. Fewer I think in Russia and Iran. GB, USA, Israel, and other Western nations are leaders in Globalism. You know, that thing the Bushes and Biden's call (The New World Order) I know! "But we're a Christian Nation, and Iran and Russia are Godless". Problem being with that is, we are not being led by Christian leaders anymore. In case some haven't noticed, we are being led by Globalists. Their religion is power! This is no longer the place you and I grew up in. Hopefully, we can become it again. But not as long as the LEFT of both parties are leading. JMHO!

[ironglow]

  IG Said....

   Sorry about your ignorance, but I will try to clarify for you...

  The WEF, Russia, the CCP, Iran and the globalists are not rivals...they are all pickers in the same berry patch.

I'm sure Globalists are entrenched in most governments. Fewer I think in Russia and Iran. GB, USA, Israel, and other Western nations are leaders in Globalism. You know, that thing the Bushes and Biden's call (The New World Order) I know! "But we're a Christian Nation, and Iran and Russia are Godless". Problem being with that is, we are not being led by Christian leaders anymore. In case some haven't noticed, we are being led by Globalists. Their religion is power! This is no longer the place you and I grew up in. Hopefully, we can become it again. But not as long as the LEFT of both parties are leading. JMHO!

   ^^^THAT^^..I'm pretty much agreed .  The difference between TM , Mule & myself, is that I compartmentalize the invasion of the Ukraine as Russian expansionism (an old habit of theirs), rather than to simply pass it off as anti-globalism.
  Yes, globalists have given Putin some cover for his nefarious actions,  ut at the heart is Putin's drive to rebuild the old, defunct, Soviet Union.

[ironglow]

Here is how I view Putin's attack upon the sovereign state of the Ukraine.  It had little to do with Biden, other than Biden being weak & feckless, was not likely to stop him:

    Nathan’s Parable and David’s Confession  (2 Samuel 12:1-11)

12 Then the Lord sent Nathan to David. And he came to him, and said to him: “There were two men in one city, one rich and the other poor.
 
2 The rich man had exceedingly many flocks and herds.

3 But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew up together with him and with his children. It ate of his own food and drank from his own cup and lay in his bosom; and it was like a daughter to him.


4 And a traveler came to the rich man, who refused to take from his own flock and from his own herd to prepare one for the wayfaring man who had come to him; but he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.”

5 So David’s anger was greatly aroused against the man, and he said to Nathan, “As the Lord lives, the man who has done this [a]shall surely die!

 6 And he shall restore fourfold for the lamb, because he did this thing and because he had no pity.”

7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul.

8 I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more!

9 Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon.

10 Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.’

11 Thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will raise up adversity against you from your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.

[Mule 11]

Here is how I view Putin's attack upon the sovereign state of the Ukraine.  It had little to do with Biden, other than Biden being weak & feckless, was not likely to stop him:

    Nathan’s Parable and David’s Confession  (2 Samuel 12:1-11)

12 Then the Lord sent Nathan to David. And he came to him, and said to him: “There were two men in one city, one rich and the other poor.
 
2 The rich man had exceedingly many flocks and herds.

3 But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew up together with him and with his children. It ate of his own food and drank from his own cup and lay in his bosom; and it was like a daughter to him.


4 And a traveler came to the rich man, who refused to take from his own flock and from his own herd to prepare one for the wayfaring man who had come to him; but he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.”

5 So David’s anger was greatly aroused against the man, and he said to Nathan, “As the Lord lives, the man who has done this [a]shall surely die!

 6 And he shall restore fourfold for the lamb, because he did this thing and because he had no pity.”

7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul.

8 I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more!

9 Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon.

10 Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.’

11 Thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will raise up adversity against you from your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.

Here is how I view your post.
It belongs in the religious section. Start your own soap box post...

[Mule 11]

  IG Said....

   Sorry about your ignorance, but I will try to clarify for you...

  The WEF, Russia, the CCP, Iran and the globalists are not rivals...they are all pickers in the same berry patch.

I'm sure Globalists are entrenched in most governments. Fewer I think in Russia and Iran. GB, USA, Israel, and other Western nations are leaders in Globalism. You know, that thing the Bushes and Biden's call (The New World Order) I know! "But we're a Christian Nation, and Iran and Russia are Godless". Problem being with that is, we are not being led by Christian leaders anymore. In case some haven't noticed, we are being led by Globalists. Their religion is power! This is no longer the place you and I grew up in. Hopefully, we can become it again. But not as long as the LEFT of both parties are leading. JMHO!

   ^^^THAT^^..I'm pretty much agreed .  The difference between TM , Mule & myself, is that I compartmentalize the invasion of the Ukraine as Russian expansionism (an old habit of theirs), rather than to simply pass it off as anti-globalism.
  Yes, globalists have given Putin some cover for his nefarious actions,  ut at the heart is Putin's drive to rebuild the old, defunct, Soviet Union.

The difference between us is that you leave zeroe wiggle room for any ideas other than your very old cobweb infested arguments. When confronted with new ideas you throw out interpretation that was not in the original context. For example the author of this commentary was actually bashing dems and leftists and you state “the writer must be a democrat”  Anyone who reads your rebuttals will realize you are full of shat...

[Mule 11]

Russia was not a problem for us recently until the dumbasses took control. We have had a much greater threat in China because that is who our greatest threat is now even more so than the jihadists whom I’m sure have infiltrated our country through our liberal open border policies. We are screwed. Tighten your belts because it’s on...

[ironglow]

Here is how I view Putin's attack upon the sovereign state of the Ukraine.  It had little to do with Biden, other than Biden being weak & feckless, was not likely to stop him:

    Nathan’s Parable and David’s Confession  (2 Samuel 12:1-11)

12 Then the Lord sent Nathan to David. And he came to him, and said to him: “There were two men in one city, one rich and the other poor.
 
2 The rich man had exceedingly many flocks and herds.

3 But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew up together with him and with his children. It ate of his own food and drank from his own cup and lay in his bosom; and it was like a daughter to him.


4 And a traveler came to the rich man, who refused to take from his own flock and from his own herd to prepare one for the wayfaring man who had come to him; but he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.”

5 So David’s anger was greatly aroused against the man, and he said to Nathan, “As the Lord lives, the man who has done this [a]shall surely die!

 6 And he shall restore fourfold for the lamb, because he did this thing and because he had no pity.”

7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul.

8 I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more!

9 Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon.

10 Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.’

11 Thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will raise up adversity against you from your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.

Here is how I view your post.
It belongs in the religious section. Start your own soap box post...

   
  What?  You cannot learn vicariously ?  How about this then..

  Corporate farm has 6,000 acres under cultivation... Poor neighbor has 2 acres, but has built up a great 1 acre
  garden, that really produces..
     Spring comes..corporate farm feces in that acre and claims it doesn't matter that the poor guy didn't want to give up his 1 acre garden...  If he complains...shoot him !

  Is that putting it simple enough?

[ironglow]

IG, remember you and your PAL fawning over Candace Owens? Here is what she said about the porn star zelensky. “ President zelensky is a very bad character who is working with the globalists against the interests of his own people. I will not move one inch away from that assessment - ever - no matter how flowery the media depictions of him are”. Now you can turn your back on her also per your m.o. Butt on the upside Liz Cheney agrees with you, along with joe biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, are you getting the idea yet in that thick, what was your term? Oh yeah, “incoherent” brain...

  I don't "fawn" over anybody, nor do I idolize any personality.  While I respect most of Owens' opinions, I don't walk "lock step" with any, since I am capable of deductive reasoning and independent thought.

  I suspect that many emergent leaders to coming out of the now reformed and renamed Soviet Union, would be corrupt to a greater or lesser degree..Zelensky no exception.. 
   My concern is for the people of the Ukraine, who have demonstrated with their property and blood, that they do not want to once again, be dominated by Russian oligarchs.

  Right now, Zelensky is trying to maintain Ukraine independence and sovereignty..while Putin is slaughtering thousands of Ukrainian people, and place them back into subjugation.

  That should be enough for any thinking person.

  So you sent me what you thought was startling information concerning Zelensky... I caught it an dhere's some non-partisan info on Vlad !

  https://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/billionaire-news/if-vladimir-putin-really-is-worth-200-billion-he-just-became-the-richest-richest-person-in-the-world-thanks-to-his-own-chaos/

   So, Vlad has between $100 and $200 BILLION dollars in wealth..  Do you suppose for one minute that he saved up that amount of money out of his $110K= annual paycheck ?

  As I said earlier, I expect any leader who emerges from the old Soviet Union to be corrupt, it only remains to be seen who is the more corrupt, and most of all who has the Ukranian people foremost in this dispute.

  Hard to convince me that anyone holds the people of the Ukraine foremost...when they are using their artillery to blast those same people to pieces every day !

[ironglow]

  BTW:

  Should it matter today, that the Russians starved 3.9 million Ukrainians to death in the 1930s?

  https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin#:~:text=The%20Holodomor's%20Death%20Toll,13%20percent%20of%20the%20population.

   Should the people of the Ukraine want to go through that again?  How many of them has he murdered
   already in 2022?  Should we expect that they want to hug & kiss Putin, and welcome him with open arms ?

   

[Mule 11]

“Deductive reasoning”? Rush head long blindly past statements to your own ideas is what I think. Startling information? Hardly as this has been run into the ground it’s been said so many times. Convince you? Ha Ha Ha. That would be like rolling a 10 ton boulder out of a mud pit by hand...

[ironglow]

“Deductive reasoning”? Rush head long blindly past statements to your own ideas is what I think. Startling information? Hardly as this has been run into the ground it’s been said so many times. Convince you? Ha Ha Ha. That would be like rolling a 10 ton boulder out of a mud pit by hand...

   ...And Sisyphus has to roll his boulder UPHILL for eternity!