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Is America Beyond The Vote?
« on: August 21, 2022, 12:10:20 AM »
Is voting a waste of time? Does your vote really count? Or are we beyond the vote? Will November 2022 be the ultimate deciding factor?
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2022, 02:15:17 AM »
There has been very little done to fix voter fraud from the last election. The republicans have been like church mice on the subject. You can bet the communist party is gearing up for election thefts again. So yes I feel my vote isn't worth much, I think for sure there will be election thefts, and I feel now its a waste of effort to go vote, but vote I will, because its the only peaceful means we have to turning around the destruction to our nation. Even though I don't think its going to matter. I believe we are past the point of no return. Thousands of illegals continue to stream across our border, and our elected don't even talk about it anymore.  Makes me think the majority of republicans are all in on the power grab, and the destruction of America.
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2022, 03:01:52 AM »
  This could be the end of it !  After all, it is not as if we were not warned..
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2022, 03:47:56 AM »
Well, I have no doubt the commies will cheat again, but hope springs eternal for November. If we don’t  turn things around soon, there won’t be a country left to save.
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2022, 06:47:58 AM »
How do you vote out tyrants?
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That's my point.  I'm not sure you can.
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2022, 03:32:29 PM »
The only states with voter ID are red states.  Most have picture ID's and your address on your ID has to match where you vote.  Not as much voter fraud except excess computer ballots or something like that scanned in. 
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2022, 05:23:43 PM »
Seems like it varies by state, which just means the divide is going to get sharper. These States are not United, haven’t been for a while probably, it’s just coming clearer into focus. I know my vote here in the Kenai matters a lot more than my vote did in El Paso County.
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2022, 04:19:13 AM »
In Pa. the RINO Pat Tommey's senate seat is up for grabs. the choices are Dr. Oz who hasn't a clue how to gain the conservative vote, and the Marxist Fetterman. Who had a stroke. Never had a job in his life, and lived with mommy and daddy until he was 40.  I'm willing to bet with the Philly, and Pittsburgh vote for Fetterman, and the great potential for fraud since the pathetic Pa. republicans did nothing to stop fraud. Fetterman will win. I'm not sure I even want to vote for Oz. Since he falls into the pathetic republican category. 
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2022, 06:58:53 AM »
 Fact check ,  Counties won by .

                     Biden-->    509 counties
                    Trump--> 2.547 counties 

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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2022, 08:05:04 AM »
I'm actually fed up with the Republicans. They are acting like they could care less if the win. The Pieces OS like McConnell, McCarthy and McDaniel, lives won't change of the GOP doesn't take back congress. they will still have their little domains, and will still be invited to Georgetown cocktail parties. Where they will be entertained by lobbyists.  If they win they will have to go to work for the American people. Something they don't want to do, and haven't done for some time now. 
There isn't one of them talking about the border invasion or the rising crime. All they do is whine about Biden's spending bill.  If they continue on the course they are on they won't win, and it appears they will be fine with that.  With the communist Biden regime in place everyone forgets about the pathetic republicans and what they actually are.
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2022, 09:33:11 AM »
I'm sure there are many Republicans in DC that feel the same way Liz feels, but cricket up because they want to be re elected. I think we have lost the power by the vote, and it's only out of hope (false hope) we keep on doing it. I think if I make it to the next general election, it will be my last for two reasons. My age, and the futility of it. I hope Trump makes it to the next election, and if he does, he chooses a VP that isn't a politician.
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2022, 10:16:55 AM »
I'm sure there are many Republicans in DC that feel the same way Liz feels, but cricket up because they want to be re elected. I think we have lost the power by the vote, and it's only out of hope (false hope) we keep on doing it. I think if I make it to the next general election, it will be my last for two reasons. My age, and the futility of it. I hope Trump makes it to the next election, and if he does, he chooses a VP that isn't a politician.

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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2022, 03:07:21 PM »
I'm actually fed up with the Republicans.

Evidently the Republican war chest handlers are worried they're going to lose control of the Senate in November ... to Conservatives!!
I am completely disinterested in any candidate that does not articulate publicly a commitment to America First.
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2022, 03:13:25 PM »
I'm actually fed up with the Republicans.

Evidently the Republican war chest handlers are worried they're going to lose control of the Senate in November ... to Conservatives!!
I am completely disinterested in any candidate that does not articulate publicly a commitment to America First.

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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2022, 03:16:54 PM »
I'm actually fed up with the Republicans.

Evidently the Republican war chest handlers are worried they're going to lose control of the Senate in November ... to Conservatives!!
I am completely disinterested in any candidate that does not articulate publicly a commitment to America First.

Received a war chest survey/donation to the cause today. Survey had all the talking points and multiple ways to send them money. If you are on my and America’s side? Show it...
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2022, 03:31:26 PM »
I'm actually fed up with the Republicans.

Evidently the Republican war chest handlers are worried they're going to lose control of the Senate in November ... to Conservatives!!
I am completely disinterested in any candidate that does not articulate publicly a commitment to America First.

Received a war chest survey/donation to the cause today. Survey had all the talking points and multiple ways to send them money. If you are on my and America’s side? Show it...
I think the GOP leadership is all RINO; they're throwing money to support RINOs against America First candidates, even colluding with Dems to the point they'd rather a Demonrat in the seat than an America First GOPer. A number of RINOs have been notably silent on the issue of election fraud, the Jan6 political prisoners, and other blatantly obvious issues. Time for a change up in the GOP.
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2022, 03:43:04 PM »
Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, and Kevin Mccarthy need to be among the 1st to go.
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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2022, 05:30:40 AM »
From the Daily Signal"


The idea of term limits, connected to the notion of “rotation in office,” was popular during the early days of the American republic.

Founding-era citizens viewed term limits as a means to prevent corruption and distant, entrenched interests staying permanently in power. They worried that a lack of change in higher office could be destructive to republican government.

Under the Articles of Confederation, term limits kept representatives to three terms in any six-year period. However, after considerable debate, the idea was abandoned during the construction of the Constitution because many Founders were skeptical of forced rotation’s usefulness—though there were certainly strong advocates in its favor.

For instance, a 1788 pseudonymous essay likely penned by noted anti-federalist Melancton Smith suggested that while limiting terms in local elections was probably unnecessary, limits would provide a useful check on the power of federal legislators, who were “elected for long periods, and far removed from the observation of the people.”

The essay’s author worried that without a mechanism to push national legislators out of office from time to time, lawmakers would become “inattentive to the public good, callous, selfish, and the fountain of corruption.”

>>>Trump Vows to Back Term Limits. So Do These 48 Lawmakers.

He continued to warn readers that “Even good men in office, in time, imperceptibly lose sight of the people, and gradually fall into measures prejudicial to them.”

Thomas Jefferson was also wary of abandoning rotation, and wrote to his friend Edward Rutledge in 1788, “I apprehend that the total abandonment of the principle of rotation in the offices of president and senator will end in abuse. But my confidence is that there will for a long time be virtue and good sense enough in our countrymen to correct abuses.”

But some of the Constitution’s strongest advocates rejected the notion that sweeping out legislators by law would reduce corruption.

James Madison wrote that term limits might actually lead to government dysfunction. He wrote that frequent elections were a better check on power than forcing legislators out of office by law.

Those who stood against term limits argued that regular elections by the people could be a better check on corruption than constitutional limits and that such restrictions would create their own problems.

Madison wrote in Federalist 53 that the higher proportion of new representatives swept into office due to term limits could lead to poor decisions and corruption from a wave of inexperienced legislators.

Madison surmised that the “greater the proportion of new members, and the less the information of the bulk of the members, the more apt will they be to fall into the snares that may be laid for them.”

Ultimately, the anti-term limits forces won out and the Constitution was ratified without them.

A Return to Term Limits

Even though the framers of the Constitution ultimately dropped term limits, the debate over rotation for federal officials continued into future generations.

Through the 19th century, a regular rotation in office was common as citizens and politicians believed by creed and custom that periodic changes in public office were healthy for the republic. There were also practical limits on time in office, like shorter life spans. In the 20th century, long-term incumbency increased substantially.

Growth in governmental scope produced less turnover and more careerism than previous eras. This led to a movement to curtail the power of near-permanent stays in office.

>>>Anti-Establishment Mood Could Spur Revival of Term Limits

As Americans tried to curb the power of their government, proposals were adopted to circumscribe the executive, legislative, and even the judicial branch with term limits.

Term limits on the chief executive were introduced after the four concurrent elections of President Franklin Roosevelt.

While earlier presidents had served no more than the two-term precedent set by George Washington, FDR stayed in office nearly 13 years, prompting fears of a calcified presidency. So, in 1951, the United States ratified the 22nd Amendment to strictly limit the president to two terms.

Reformers set their sights on legislative incumbency too. A wave of states passed term limit restrictions on their legislators in the mid-1990s, and the reforms attracted broad and bipartisan support.

But the Supreme Court struck down these laws in U.S. Term Limits v. Thornton, in which they were struck down over conflict with Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Many states passed term limits for their state legislators too, but according to some research, the results were mixed.

The term limits movement has been essentially dormant for over a decade.

A System Neither Constitutional, Nor Democratic

Unfortunately, over time, the American system of government has changed. The original checks and balances that the Founders incorporated into the Constitution have been twisted and undermined.

A surge of populism that goes hand-in-hand with the idea that the American people need to reassert their authority to “throw the bums out” of Congress will undoubtedly fuel the increase in popularity for term limits.

Yet it’s unclear what the ultimate effect of a term limit law would be. It will certainly solve the problem of Americans hating Congress, but re-electing their own congressmen. And it is also encouraging that Americans are starting to look at structural government dysfunction, rather than just focusing on elections and specific policies.

However, term limits will not address the larger problem of persistent big-government incursions of the unelected “fourth” branch of government: the vast federal bureaucracy.

The true “permanent political class” that Cruz and DeSantis warn of exists in the federal agencies.

A combination of the Civil Service Act of 1883, which, over time, has made it impossible to fire or remove career bureaucrats once they are hired, and the Chevron U.S.A. Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc. Supreme Court case, which ensures judicial deference to the bureaucracy in regard to regulation, has made the fourth branch vastly more powerful and less accountable than anything the Founders conceived.

Progressive Era reformers successfully created a system that left long-term power in the hands of the technocratic agencies that would handle most of the business of government.

As Heritage Foundation legal fellow Elizabeth Slattery noted, the result has been the creation of unchecked agencies that “pok[e] into every nook and cranny of daily life.”

Unfortunately, it’s possible that term limits may further reduce the power of the legislative branch vis-à-vis the agencies, as inexperienced legislators may lack the bill drafting skills to tightly circumscribe agency action.

Term limits may add “rotation in office” to the legislative branch, only to cede additional power to a permanent class of bureaucratic staffers who do not even stand for election.

Additionally, studies on state-level legislative term limits have demonstrated mixed results. The kinds of people holding office generally change very little and the balance of power generally tips toward the executive branch and bureaucracy. Yet the power of party leaders typically declines as well.

>>>How Trump Can Curb the Power of Unelected Regulators

As American political theorist James Burnham wrote:

The bureaucracy … not merely wields its own share of the sovereign power but begins to challenge the older branches for supremacy. This emergence of the bureaucracy is a creeping growth, expressed most tellingly in the day to day, unpublicized activities of the governmental colossus …

Perhaps limits on this system—which is neither constitutional, nor democratic—should be the next step for those who want to return to the Constitution and a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

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Re: Is America Beyond The Vote?
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2022, 05:15:06 AM »
I'm actually fed up with the Republicans.

Evidently the Republican war chest handlers are worried they're going to lose control of the Senate in November ... to Conservatives!!
I am completely disinterested in any candidate that does not articulate publicly a commitment to America First.

Received a war chest survey/donation to the cause today. Survey had all the talking points and multiple ways to send them money. If you are on my and America’s side? Show it...
I think the GOP leadership is all RINO; they're throwing money to support RINOs against America First candidates, even colluding with Dems to the point they'd rather a Demonrat in the seat than an America First GOPer. A number of RINOs have been notably silent on the issue of election fraud, the Jan6 political prisoners, and other blatantly obvious issues. Time for a change up in the GOP.

The survey did not mention the Jan 6th circus court or the relentless attacks on President Trump and all conservatives...