Some are concerned, watching pope's relationship with the CCP..

[ironglow]

 It could be a false alarm, but many across the world are apprehensive.

  The pope is a Jesuit, and they are concerned because in recent history the Jesuits have cultivated friendly relations with some communists.

  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/pope-francis-being-watched-by-everybody-to-see-if-vatican-forms-ties-with-china-over-taiwan-us-diplomat

[Dee]

Well Richard Land, and Rick Warren (both Baptists) several years ago  joined "The Council On Foriegn Relations", so it's pretty obvious that so-called Christian leadership is in the tank with world government.

[ironglow]

Well Richard Land, and Rick Warren (both Baptists) several years ago  joined "The Council On Foriegn Relations", so it's pretty obvious that so-called Christian leadership is in the tank with world government.

   Just showing their crooked colors..

[teamnelson]

The pope is a Jesuit, and they are concerned because in recent history the Jesuits have cultivated friendly relations with some communists.

If one considers the history of the Jesuit Military Order, there would be some natural attraction to marxist philosophy.

[Lloyd Smale]

heck half this country is right on board with marxism including our president and half our govrenment and would probably run to the chinese or russians if they invaded. 5050 chance your next door neighbor is. Dont know about you but thats my MAIN consern.

[ironglow]

  From Lloyd;
       "half this country is right on board with marxism including our president and half our govrenment and would probably run to the chinese or russians if they invaded. 5050 chance your next door neighbor is. "
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  I had one neighbor that lived 4 houses up the street, who was liberal, but he chose to move a couple months ago.

    He had the only Biden sign in town, but probably chose to get out of the state he helped to  _ _ _ up, with his
  stupid voting practices...

[teamnelson]

heck half this country is right on board with marxism including our president and half our govrenment and would probably run to the chinese or russians if they invaded. 5050 chance your next door neighbor is. Dont know about you but thats my MAIN consern.

I agree with you there ... alligator closest to the boat.

But those neighbors got that way from ideas that were fed and nurtured by all manner of sources, to include who they look to for spiritual guidance. I'll be the first to say no one religion has the corner on malice or ignorance. Which is why I don't just concern myself with today's marxist, but how to keep future generations from becoming marxist. That can only be done if we address the sources of ideas.

[ironglow]

heck half this country is right on board with marxism including our president and half our govrenment and would probably run to the chinese or russians if they invaded. 5050 chance your next door neighbor is. Dont know about you but thats my MAIN consern.

I agree with you there ... alligator closest to the boat.

But those neighbors got that way from ideas that were fed and nurtured by all manner of sources, to include who they look to for spiritual guidance. I'll be the first to say no one religion has the corner on malice or ignorance. Which is why I don't just concern myself with today's marxist, but how to keep future generations from becoming marxist. That can only be done if we address the sources of ideas.

   And communism/socialism is an invention given to fallen man.  BTW; it is not from God.

[Lloyd Smale]

i agree. Im a catholic and follow my churches teachings not some man in  a white robe. Both sides the ones that almost worship him and the ones that are so intimidated by him that they feel the need to follow him to find fault elevate him to more then a man status. Hes nothing to me. Some preachers even think there more important then the are. The bible is the core of all christian faiths. Jesus is who i take my advice from. I dont need a man to tell me how i should interpret it. I think if you look around you youll find many catholics just as disgusted with this liberal poser as you do. What angers me more then anything isnt his beliefs. Like any man hes free to believe what he wants. But hes doing just what the liberal politicians are doing. Packing the court so his WAY is going to be around long after he dies. He wants to come across as the big uniter bringing people back into the church but in fact hes an egotistical pos that is going to drive another nail in the coffin of the catholic church and in doing so is weakening the whole christian faith in this country. Sad thing is most of us here hate it but the world is changing and not in a good way. Good and evil are fighting not just in the ukraine and the middle east. Its happening in our neighborhoods or schools and in our government. I dont care for the pope but he doesnt effect my day to day life. THOSE things do. 

heck half this country is right on board with marxism including our president and half our govrenment and would probably run to the chinese or russians if they invaded. 5050 chance your next door neighbor is. Dont know about you but thats my MAIN consern.

I agree with you there ... alligator closest to the boat.

But those neighbors got that way from ideas that were fed and nurtured by all manner of sources, to include who they look to for spiritual guidance. I'll be the first to say no one religion has the corner on malice or ignorance. Which is why I don't just concern myself with today's marxist, but how to keep future generations from becoming marxist. That can only be done if we address the sources of ideas.

   And communism/socialism is an invention given to fallen man.  BTW; it is not from God.

[ironglow]

i agree. Im a catholic and follow my churches teachings not some man in  a white robe. Both sides the ones that almost worship him and the ones that are so intimidated by him that they feel the need to follow him to find fault elevate him to more then a man status. Hes nothing to me. Some preachers even think there more important then the are. The bible is the core of all christian faiths. Jesus is who i take my advice from. I dont need a man to tell me how i should interpret it. I think if you look around you youll find many catholics just as disgusted with this liberal poser as you do. What angers me more then anything isnt his beliefs. Like any man hes free to believe what he wants. But hes doing just what the liberal politicians are doing. Packing the court so his WAY is going to be around long after he dies. He wants to come across as the big uniter bringing people back into the church but in fact hes an egotistical pos that is going to drive another nail in the coffin of the catholic church and in doing so is weakening the whole christian faith in this country. Sad thing is most of us here hate it but the world is changing and not in a good way. Good and evil are fighting not just in the ukraine and the middle east. Its happening in our neighborhoods or schools and in our government. I dont care for the pope but he doesnt effect my day to day life. THOSE things do. 

heck half this country is right on board with marxism including our president and half our govrenment and would probably run to the chinese or russians if they invaded. 5050 chance your next door neighbor is. Dont know about you but thats my MAIN consern.

I agree with you there ... alligator closest to the boat.

But those neighbors got that way from ideas that were fed and nurtured by all manner of sources, to include who they look to for spiritual guidance. I'll be the first to say no one religion has the corner on malice or ignorance. Which is why I don't just concern myself with today's marxist, but how to keep future generations from becoming marxist. That can only be done if we address the sources of ideas.

   And communism/socialism is an invention given to fallen man.  BTW; it is not from God.

  Yes, what the world needs  now..drop all the man made philosophies, and turn "back to the Bible"..

  So far as Rick Warrens, pope Francis, Joyce Meyers and their like, it appears that turning back to the Bible, would be the antithesis to their usual spewings.

[Lloyd Smale]

this pope makes me scratch my head and thats saying it with out a bunch of F words. The catholic church always had one thing and that was tradition and a universal understanding of the bible. This pope is just like biden with the constitution. He seems to throw it all out the door for his woke agenda. Id like to see popes elected just like presidents. Let every catholic vote on who the next one is. Let them put out there beilefs and let us decide. Not a bunch of bought and paid for cardinals. Theres been way to much politics in those choices with the last two or three popes. None as blatant as this sad sack of crap.

[Graybeard]

I'm not a catholic, so I just really don't care what the pope says or does. It just doesn't affect me. Gotta say that if I were a catholic, this pope would make me think about changing my affiliation. Just saying, not my business.

[Lloyd Smale]

that there is the real truth. Everyone gets all wrapped up in something that doesnt effect them in any way. He doesnt even effect the day to day life of most catholics. Heck the mayor of our little town has the power to effect my life a hell of alot more then the pope. To me its about like worrying about what the queen of Englands opinion of my choice in pickup trucks is.

I'm not a catholic, so I just really don't care what the pope says or does. It just doesn't affect me. Gotta say that if I were a catholic, this pope would make me think about changing my affiliation. Just saying, not my business.

[Dee]

Don't fool yourself. The pope is an "influencer" on a scale much larger than any here would imagine. World leaders come to meet with him.

Why? Because no matter how far left of center he is, millions of people worldwide believe everything he says, because Catholicism has instructed them to do so.

The "mega church" leaders in the United States have the same type of church followers, on a smaller scale.

[Lloyd Smale]

Dee most of the catholics ive talked to are as discussed with him as me. Dont know what its like in other countries though. Im sure that again like biden he has blind followers and gullable people that follow him. 

Don't fool yourself. The pope is an "influencer" on a scale much larger than any here would imagine. World leaders come to meet with him.

Why? Because no matter how far left of center he is, millions of people worldwide believe everything he says, because Catholicism has instructed them to do so.

The "mega church" leaders in the United States have the same type of church followers, on a smaller scale.

[ironglow]

Dee most of the catholics ive talked to are as discussed with him as me. Dont know what its like in other countries though. Im sure that again like biden he has blind followers and gullable people that follow him. 

Don't fool yourself. The pope is an "influencer" on a scale much larger than any here would imagine. World leaders come to meet with him.

Why? Because no matter how far left of center he is, millions of people worldwide believe everything he says, because Catholicism has instructed them to do so.

The "mega church" leaders in the United States have the same type of church followers, on a smaller scale.

  Correct..We should pause and consider; you and millions of other Catholics, don't get to vote on him..

[Lloyd Smale]

Truth be told most priests and bishops dont like him or his liberal agendas. Sad thing is like i said he is using his influence to put people in power that will continue this bs. It is exactly why when i go to church its half empty and about all thats there are people over 60. Back when i was a kid i remember if you didnt get to church early chances are you were standing in the back of the church because there wasnt a seat to be had. Even people holding babies because the cry room was packed. Just like this country needs a president that gets back to REAL American values our church needs leadership that gets back to REAL catholic values. I saw it in our church. Our last priest was old school. He wasnt afraid to buck this new woke system. He stood up and said homosexuality was wrong. He wasnt afraid to say the church was going in the wrong direction. When the bishop told him he needed to get with the program he told the bishop it was him that needed to get with Gods program. He was more then a priest to me. He was my friend. Like me he wasnt afraid to tell it like it was and that included even to me.  What did he get for it? Forced retirement. Today catholic priests rarely retire. They get to around 75 or so and then are used to fill in for priests on vacation. Our priest was basically told to go away. Id like to say how our new priest really feels but for punishment our bishop transferred in an african priest that barely speaks English from some very small church. I will admit i dont go every week anymore. First im disgusted with the pope and secondly i told the wife what good does it do when you dont understand 3/4s of what hes saying.

Dee most of the catholics ive talked to are as discussed with him as me. Dont know what its like in other countries though. Im sure that again like biden he has blind followers and gullable people that follow him. 

Don't fool yourself. The pope is an "influencer" on a scale much larger than any here would imagine. World leaders come to meet with him.

Why? Because no matter how far left of center he is, millions of people worldwide believe everything he says, because Catholicism has instructed them to do so.

The "mega church" leaders in the United States have the same type of church followers, on a smaller scale.

  Correct..We should pause and consider; you and millions of other Catholics, don't get to vote on him..

[ironglow]

I have read much about the struggle within the Roman Catholic church.  It seems there are some folks ready for a new reformation.

  Perhaps it is time for them to look at the later disruption of the Anglicans..  Some who were dissatisfied, became "Puritans". They wanted to "purify' the existing church, while others became "Separatists" (e.g. Plymouth Pilgrims), who decided the organization was far to corrupt to reform, so they chose to leave it entirely.

  The same problem exists in non-RC churches, some of which I mentioned above.  ...But due to their nature, people who are repulsed, can and do choose to leave their congregation.

   Have you heard of Hillsong..or Bethel ?   
   https://www.familytheater.org/blog/faith-family-news-teen-pregnancy-pilot-jesus-revolution-hillsong-docuseries?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu9q8mYL--QIVKv_jBx0u_AMfEAAYASAAEgLVcvD_BwE#:~:text=Discovery%2B%20Takes%20on%20Hillsong

  In the church as well as politics ....."power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!"  ..But we don't have to fall for that...any of us can "walk away" from any of them...