Charles Darwin..

[ironglow]

  For many years, the God denying scientists admitted that either they didn't know how the universe began, or
  some claimed that it just "always existed"..
 
   Then came their great discovery, that there actually was a "BIG BANG"...

   " In the beginning, God said, "Let there be,  ...and "BANG" there it was.."

[Lloyd Smale]

ill give that an amen. from nothing instantly we had everything. How is that possible without God.

  For many years, the God denying scientists admitted that either they didn't know how the universe began, or
  some claimed that it just "always existed"..
 
   Then came their great discovery, that there actually was a "BIG BANG"...

   " In the beginning, God said, "Let there be,  ...and "BANG" there it was.."

[darkgael]

  For many years, the God denying scientists admitted that either they didn't know how the universe began, or
  some claimed that it just "always existed"..
 
   Then came their great discovery, that there actually was a "BIG BANG"...

   " In the beginning, God said, "Let there be,  ...and "BANG" there it was.."

Your “God denying scientists” is gratuitous. The implication, intended or not, is that the research was done for that reason. “Science” still does not know how the Universe began.  Yes, there is the Big Bang. Before that, though, things are unclear (and may always be). The “hot, dense state”….where did that come from? What caused it to expand? Those answers are yet to be had. “I do not know” is an acceptable answer.
“It just always existed”…..you are critical of that idea and yet you accept a God who has always existed.
God did it is another answer to creation. (How is that possible without God? I do not know.)

[ironglow]

  Many of the true scientists, seekers of knowledge..are coming around, or at least considering the possibility of
   intelligent design.  The stubborn, unyielding, stuck-in-a -rut, seem to still be very resistant and committed to
   intransigence.

  I guess when one has a super-inflated ego, it is very difficult to confess having perhaps possibly, taken
   the wrong trail for years on end..

[darkgael]

  Many of the true scientists, seekers of knowledge..are coming around, or at least considering the possibility of
   intelligent design.  The stubborn, unyielding, stuck-in-a -rut, seem to still be very resistant and committed to
   intransigence.

  I guess when one has a super-inflated ego, it is very difficult to confess having perhaps possibly, taken
   the wrong trail for years on end..

Do you have names and scholarly articles to go with that set of claims.

I was doing some reading earlier today pursuant to this thread. One comment earlier was that evolution/darwin taught and no disagreement was allowed (for 100 years). That is not what i am finding. Evolution was not permitted in fact not even mentioned.

[ironglow]

  Many of the true scientists, seekers of knowledge..are coming around, or at least considering the possibility of
   intelligent design.  The stubborn, unyielding, stuck-in-a -rut, seem to still be very resistant and committed to
   intransigence.

  I guess when one has a super-inflated ego, it is very difficult to confess having perhaps possibly, taken
   the wrong trail for years on end..

Do you have names and scholarly articles to go with that set of claims.
   Sure, here you go.
 
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEps6lzWUKk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5Z6h_RVhIw

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Jdyuh27b0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D6eCR62aqM

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D6eCR62aqM

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noj4phMT9OE

   Would you like a few more?
 

I was doing some reading earlier today pursuant to this thread. One comment earlier was that evolution/darwin taught and no disagreement was allowed (for 100 years). That is not what i am finding. Evolution was not permitted in fact not even mentioned.

   Do you doubt that it has been taught that long in public schools ?  Let's look back; the people of Tennessee
    brought suit against the Darwinists teachings in school back in 1925.. That was nearly100 years ago...and how long was it taught there, before they brought suit ?
  Kentucky residents brought suit, even before the folks in Tennessee..  That's well over a hundred years right
   there...notvto mention how long before that it had invaded the public school system.

[darkgael]

Thank you for that set of links. They were an interesting sidelight about the issue. I am sure that there are many folk who would/will/do find them convincing. Here is the “but”….. not one of them is a scholarly text. Mostly the links are to interviews not peer reviewed research. I am certain that the scientists interviewed have many published articles to their credit. I am going to see if I can find anything that any of them published about intelligent design.

Btw: you might find this article interesting:
https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1100/scopes-monkey-trial

Notes: the text used at that time was published in 1914. The Butler Act was passed in 1925.

[ironglow]

Thank you for that set of links. They were an interesting sidelight about the issue. I am sure that there are many folk who would/will/do find them convincing. Here is the “but”….. not one of them is a scholarly text. Mostly the links are to interviews not peer reviewed research. I am certain that the scientists interviewed have many published articles to their credit. I am going to see if I can find anything that any of them published about intelligent design.

Btw: you might find this article interesting:
https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1100/scopes-monkey-trial

Notes: the text used at that time was published in 1914. The Butler Act was passed in 1925.

   Each of them have published scholarly works..check each by name..  They have as much credibility as any .

  BTW; I have read many explanations of th eScopes trial.  I even watched the movie which was made concerning the event.

[Dee]

I don't question God, or the Bible, so I therefore don't concern myself with debate involving evolution. Give the atheist the gospel, and walk off.

Anyone who considers themselves as a devout Christian should take heed to the Bible they claim to believe.

Titus Chapter 3

Verse 9: But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and striving about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Verse10: A man that is an heretics after the first and second admonition  REJECT;

Verse 11:Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

KJV

[TrumpWon]

Creationism and Christianity go hand in hand. Don’t think many non Christians support creationism. The numbers of Americans who identify as Christians is dropping. Does this mean the truth may be lost?

[Dee]

Creationism and Christianity go hand in hand. Don’t think many non Christians support creationism. The numbers of Americans who identify as Christians is dropping. Does this mean the truth may be lost?

The truth has always been lost on non believers, and there seems to be a growing number of non believers. Christians waste a lot of time debating non believers on never ending, circular debates that are unproveable and non productive. The Bible clearly warns against such activity, but sadly some Christians love to try and show everyone how much they know.

God says give'em the truth, and if they reject it, walk away. Some just can't and keep talkin.

[Lloyd Smale]

truth isnt lost. Its right there in front of your nose. You really believe that you just happen to be a human on the only planet so far we even found single cell life was just because of some ooze in the swamp. That all of your ancestors just happened to marry who they did and make just the right babies that would again marry like they did that came to the point YOU personally were born and are who you are was just blind luck?? That the one sperm cell from your father just happened to be the one that fertilized the egg in your mother that was there because this same miracle happened a 100 times before that was just blind luck. WIthout God the odds of you being here are about like winning the lotto 15 times or getting struck by lightning 10 times in one afternoon. Its the non believers that fight so hard to disprove God that make me shake my head. The truth isnt lost, YOU are.

Creationism and Christianity go hand in hand. Don’t think many non Christians support creationism. The numbers of Americans who identify as Christians is dropping. Does this mean the truth may be lost?

[ironglow]

  Pontius Pilate asked... " What is truth? "  ...When the embodiment of truth ...was looking him in the face...