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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2022, 04:25:33 AM »
  The oil goes to the highest bidder, whether Europe, China or Japan, doesn't matter..

   https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-sell-additional-20-million-barrels-oil-strategic-reserve-2022-07-26/

  The real reckoning will come after the this year's election..

  It is no secret that Biden is selling off our strategic reserve, just to drop the price a bit until the election is over.

  That reserve will have to be replaced, and after the reserve is gone and the price jumps dramatically toward the end of the year..WE will be paying dearly to refill what Biden has virtually given away..hoping to affect the election.

  I guess he thinks voters are stupid... but then again, anyone who votes for him or any of the rest of Satan's party...has to be stupid !

  From the same article...PROOF that Biden is only selling the oil, hoping ti influence the most stupid voters in the country..
               "The United States will take bids in autumn to begin the process of buying back 60 million barrels of crude for reserve, a first step in replenishing the stockpile after the 180 million barrel release, the Department of Energy said in May." 

  One problem..article ssays nutsy has already sold 125 million barrels, and will be selling 70 million barrels more.
    That adds up to nearly 200 million barrels...and he plans on purchasing only 60 million barrels to replace it.

  As I suspected, the Demonrats will pass on th e135 million barrel deficit in our strategic reserve, to the next Republican president to take the hassle over.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2022, 04:29:08 AM »
I don't think Biden thinks much of anything. He has handlers, and is nuthin more than a trained monkey.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2022, 04:47:16 AM »
Knowing how shotty Russian built equipment has proven to be in Ukraine, The pipeline could have burst on its on at a bad weld or something.  It could be the Russians, the Ukrainians, the extreme green terrorists, or anyone. 

I inspected pipelines in America.  If it carried a high gas pressure, every weld had to be x-rayed.  If it had cracks or bubbles, it had to be ground out and rewelded.  Sometimes a welder had to be fired.  A weld built pipeline shouldn't have any leaks for 50-100 years, and that would be something like a rock against the pipe.  Heat, cold, expansion, contraction of the metal over time would rub a hold in the coating and a corrosion leak would develop.  It would be small at first and able to be repaired.  This blowout was not normal for a properly newly constructed pipeline.   
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2022, 04:47:36 AM »
Last night Fox News reported that pipeline is 200ft underwater. What would it take to put a leak in it? It looks like a pretty big leak the way it’s bubbling.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2022, 06:36:54 AM »
I don't think it was welds, if one had "failed", ok maybe, but three, and far enough apart that the pressure was greatly reduced due to the first "failure"?  No, there is very little doubt that this was intentional.  I highly doubt it was Russia to blackmail the EU or other reasons, they have the shutoff valves, they could have done this with little to no fanfare, as they have done by reducing the flow in the last few months.  No, I am afraid that it was another actor, very possibly us, that did it for either monetary or political reasons.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2022, 08:09:30 AM »
I’m surprised they haven't shut it off, and letting it run like that. Until they could fix it. Our oil field would already have gotten on it. But we here aren't under water either.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2022, 08:25:27 AM »
I’m surprised they haven't shut it off, and letting it run like that. Until they could fix it.
Maybe if they keep pumping gas through it, less seawater will get in saving some of the undamaged sections.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2022, 09:26:48 AM »
i agree totaly. My bet is on the fact that it was made with substandard materials by sub standard workers. Doesnt seem putin thinks a whole lot differently because hes sure not raising much hell over it. Matter of fact its awful quiet on the russian front concerning this. If he has no proof it was sabatoge then why would anyone be quick to call it that. Especially people on here (other then you) dont have a clue about pipelines. Im a decent welder. I did it for a living 4 years at a power plant but when it came to boiler tube welding they had to get the cream of the crop certified boiler tube welders. That test was very stringent. I would guess a gas line welder here in this country has about the same skill level. There not your average joe blow welders like i was. Looking at the state of there military hardware id have to guess that in russia joe blow does the welding.
Knowing how shotty Russian built equipment has proven to be in Ukraine, The pipeline could have burst on its on at a bad weld or something.  It could be the Russians, the Ukrainians, the extreme green terrorists, or anyone. 

I inspected pipelines in America.  If it carried a high gas pressure, every weld had to be x-rayed.  If it had cracks or bubbles, it had to be ground out and rewelded.  Sometimes a welder had to be fired.  A weld built pipeline shouldn't have any leaks for 50-100 years, and that would be something like a rock against the pipe.  Heat, cold, expansion, contraction of the metal over time would rub a hold in the coating and a corrosion leak would develop.  It would be small at first and able to be repaired.  This blowout was not normal for a properly newly constructed pipeline.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2022, 09:31:16 AM »
theres a under water pipe line up here in the straights of mackinac that is under the gun right now by the greenies. maId bet its not the only pipe line we have under water. Also many off shore drilling rigs have pipelines to shore. Id bet that leak is blown way out of proportion, I doubt even though putin doesnt give a rip about pollution  but he would shut it down in a second if it wasnt still making him money
I’m surprised they haven't shut it off, and letting it run like that. Until they could fix it. Our oil field would already have gotten on it. But we here aren't under water either.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2022, 11:05:04 AM »
Yep, shoddy Russian work caused 3 ruptures or Russia is backed into a corner and blew up their 11 billion dollar investment that they could have just shut the supply off on right? I am on America’s side and until America is fixed I don’t give a flying f about other countries. I detest the stupid people that buy into propaganda and help promote the destruction of the finest country in the world...

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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2022, 11:08:50 AM »
i agree totaly. My bet is on the fact that it was made with substandard materials by sub standard workers. Doesnt seem putin thinks a whole lot differently because hes sure not raising much hell over it. Matter of fact its awful quiet on the russian front concerning this. If he has no proof it was sabatoge then why would anyone be quick to call it that. Especially people on here (other then you) dont have a clue about pipelines. Im a decent welder. I did it for a living 4 years at a power plant but when it came to boiler tube welding they had to get the cream of the crop certified boiler tube welders. That test was very stringent. I would guess a gas line welder here in this country has about the same skill level. There not your average joe blow welders like i was. Looking at the state of there military hardware id have to guess that in russia joe blow does the welding.
Knowing how shotty Russian built equipment has proven to be in Ukraine, The pipeline could have burst on its on at a bad weld or something.  It could be the Russians, the Ukrainians, the extreme green terrorists, or anyone.   

I inspected pipelines in America.  If it carried a high gas pressure, every weld had to be x-rayed.  If it had cracks or bubbles, it had to be ground out and rewelded.  Sometimes a welder had to be fired.  A weld built pipeline shouldn't have any leaks for 50-100 years, and that would be something like a rock against the pipe.  Heat, cold, expansion, contraction of the metal over time would rub a hold in the coating and a corrosion leak would develop.  It would be small at first and able to be repaired.  This blowout was not normal for a properly newly constructed pipeline.
https://www.wermac.org/nordstream/nordstream_part9.html#:~:text=Each%20of%20the%20two%20Nord%20Stream%20Pipelines%20is,on%20the%20seabed%20in%20an%20underwater%20welding%20habitat.
  automatic welders are used   ,  When I retired from the pipe trades orbital welding  technology  developed in the aerospace industry ,started to take off  in  the construction industry   .  they produce welds No human can duplicate  . I use to laugh at my ole man when he would say robots were going to take our place one day .

Maybe the assembly lines, but nothing fully Autonomous. Not for a very long time.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2022, 12:32:28 PM »
That’s programmed orders not Autonomous. And if it runs into a problem it can it can figure that out on its own.

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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2022, 01:18:37 PM »
That’s programmed orders not Autonomous. And if it runs into a problem it can it can figure that out on its own.

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maybe this will give you  the idea I referring to .https://youtu.be/G1bTARgBbQM?t=8

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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2022, 02:55:39 PM »
Lloyd, you are right in America.  We had three types of pipe welders.  If the pipeline was less than 60 psi, it was low stress welding and could be done with acetylene   If it was above 60 but below 175 psi, it had to be electric welded.  If it was above 175 psi and if the SMYS or Specified Minimum Yield Strength, of the pipe was above a certain range, and I can't remember now, it had to be x-rayed.  I have been retired since the end of 2012 and can't remember a lot of what I used to know by heart.  Only about 5% of our pipeline construction or less, had to be x-rayed. 

It all depended on the type of alloy, and the wall thickness of the pipe.  Cost played a lot too.  A thin wall pipe with a very good alloy is lighter and somewhat easier to weld, like 3-4 weld beads, but it may cost more than a thick pipe with a cheaper alloy, but it might take 5-6 weld beads to finish a weld joint.  Then you have to inspect the welding rods to make sure they use the proper alloy rods.  The rods also had to be in a low temperature oven to keep moisture out of the welding rods to avoid bubbles or cracks in the welds.  They never welded in the rain either unless the area was covered so they could heat and dry the pipe ends before welding. 

Good pipeline welders, when I retired, got between $50 and $90 an hour, but had to provide their own welding machine and truck to carry it.  All the welders were over 50 years old in my company when I retired.  Don't know if they taught some new ones or not, or found any.  Most used Lincoln welding machines, mounded on a duelie truck. 

Offshore underwater welders could make over $100-$150,000 a year on pipelines coming out of the Gulf, and only worked about a half year.  They didn't usually work winter as the water is too cold then, and of course if a hurricane was approaching.  You just had to be a good welder first, then learn how to scuba dive.  Can be dangerous using electricity underwater.  The pay scales are probably much higher now, 10 years and Bidet inflation. 
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2022, 01:43:35 AM »
It would seem tht any discussion we have here on this forum is puerile, and obviously cannot be verified.
   
  We are half a world away from the scene, have not been down to view the destruction.

   Probably the best we can do from here, is to tune into the world news and decide whether we believe 
  report A or report B.

  ...And who we believe of the two conflicting reports, depends upon hoiw we have personally convinced ourselves..

  It boils down to.."Who do you believe, will it be John or Ivan " ?  ...And we bring our pre-conceived notions
   along to help us decide.   ;)  ;D
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2022, 02:12:57 AM »
It would seem tht any discussion we have here on this forum is puerile, and obviously cannot be verified.
   
  We are half a world away from the scene, have not been down to view the destruction.

   Probably the best we can do from here, is to tune into the world news and decide whether we believe 
  report A or report B.

  ...And who we believe of the two conflicting reports, depends upon hoiw we have personally convinced ourselves..

  It boils down to.."Who do you believe, will it be John or Ivan " ?  ...And we bring our pre-conceived notions
   along to help us decide.   ;)  ;D

ADZACKLY!

NOBODY, knows what, when, where, or why the lines are out, or how the Ukrainian war is going, or who is, or was doing whatever.

There aren't ANY experts on GBO concerning Russia, or the Ukraine.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2022, 03:15:14 AM »
I'm a retired welder and built a lot of high pressure piping systems while I was at it. Gas production systems that operated at 5,000#, waterflood systems that ranged from 2,300 to 5,000#, and gas compressor systems that went up to around 2,500# in some cases. It isn't rocket science. You use the correct material, welding rod, and a welder that has tested to show they can make x-ray quality welds. The company i worked for required me to pass the ASME code 9- G 6 test. I also welded a few pull nipples on casing that was being recovered from abandoned oil well and have seen 115,000# on the strain guage more than once when the rigs pulled on them. That was the limit for the rigs but my welds held. Nasty work and I hated it. I never pipelined. Good money but appeared the most boring welding job around. I did lay a lot of welded flow lines, low pressure, schedule 40, grade B seamless pipe work and I would have as soon chopped cotton it was so boring. At least you can stand upright swinging an idiot stick. By the way, grade B pipe is better than grade A for some reason that I never bothered to explore and eventually a seam welded pipe that equaled the seamless appeared and at lower cost.

Pipelines can suddenly fail. There was one south of Carlsbad, NM several years ago on the west side of the Pecos River where there was a popular fishing, camping spot. It blew out one night and burned up a motorhome and several people sleeping in it. Just "boom" and a huge fire. The line was buried several feet deep and left a huge crater. It isn't common but can happen.

Since I have no concrete information on the Russian pipeline mess just like everyone else here I'll leave that dog lie.

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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2022, 03:38:29 AM »
oh but theres a poser who wants us to think hes an expert.
It would seem tht any discussion we have here on this forum is puerile, and obviously cannot be verified.
   
  We are half a world away from the scene, have not been down to view the destruction.

   Probably the best we can do from here, is to tune into the world news and decide whether we believe 
  report A or report B.

  ...And who we believe of the two conflicting reports, depends upon hoiw we have personally convinced ourselves..

  It boils down to.."Who do you believe, will it be John or Ivan " ?  ...And we bring our pre-conceived notions
   along to help us decide.   ;)  ;D

ADZACKLY!

NOBODY, knows what, when, where, or why the lines are out, or how the Ukrainian war is going, or who is, or was doing whatever.

There aren't ANY experts on GBO concerning Russia, or the Ukraine.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2022, 04:03:35 AM »
isnt just the welders russia might let weld it but its everyone from the captain of the ship laying it to the crew laying it. I could have been stressed when it was layed. bottom line is if russia thought nato really did it his rants would be all you heard on the news. Something went on there that seems to keep him quiet. im sure hed love to say that nato blew it up and use that to escalate but its pretty quiet in the kremlin. Id bet hes worried that if he made that claim nato would insist on seeing it for themselves. He knows theres no way he could stop an inspection. I guess i think of it like this. If they were going to take a chance getting caught sabotaging it why just make 4 small leaks. Why not just blow it in half and force him to shut it down. Another thing that makes me scratch my head is why the global warming nut cases arent lining up outside the Whitehouse and nato headquarters demanding he shut it off completely till its fixed. can you imagine if it was our pipe line or worse yet a pipe line Trump allowed to be built. Or even that same line if trump had approved its finishing instead of biden. They bitch about the pollution that comes out of my gas range but this? Pretty much silent.

You want boring welding oldandslow. I spent 2 months welding wear plate in a ball tube mills. Its a big 2 story high b paddle wheel that rolls balls around to crush coal to dust to be blown into the fire box of a boiler. You sat in a chair with a wirefeed and welded while the wheel was slowly spinning. Not even a break to change rods. We even made rigs up that you could lay your hands on to prop up the gun. You basicaly could have probably took a nap while you were welding. Made for some LONG shifts. 
I'm a retired welder and built a lot of high pressure piping systems while I was at it. Gas production systems that operated at 5,000#, waterflood systems that ranged from 2,300 to 5,000#, and gas compressor systems that went up to around 2,500# in some cases. It isn't rocket science. You use the correct material, welding rod, and a welder that has tested to show they can make x-ray quality welds. The company i worked for required me to pass the ASME code 9- G 6 test. I also welded a few pull nipples on casing that was being recovered from abandoned oil well and have seen 115,000# on the strain guage more than once when the rigs pulled on them. That was the limit for the rigs but my welds held. Nasty work and I hated it. I never pipelined. Good money but appeared the most boring welding job around. I did lay a lot of welded flow lines, low pressure, schedule 40, grade B seamless pipe work and I would have as soon chopped cotton it was so boring. At least you can stand upright swinging an idiot stick. By the way, grade B pipe is better than grade A for some reason that I never bothered to explore and eventually a seam welded pipe that equaled the seamless appeared and at lower cost.

Pipelines can suddenly fail. There was one south of Carlsbad, NM several years ago on the west side of the Pecos River where there was a popular fishing, camping spot. It blew out one night and burned up a motorhome and several people sleeping in it. Just "boom" and a huge fire. The line was buried several feet deep and left a huge crater. It isn't common but can happen.

Since I have no concrete information on the Russian pipeline mess just like everyone else here I'll leave that dog lie.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2022, 07:00:38 AM »
Yes, mistakes can be made on new pipelines.  The highest pressure we operated at was around 1,400 psi.  All x-rayed and pressure tested with nitrogen at 1.5 times the operating pressure.  You can pass all the tests and still have a problem that doesn't immediately show up.  It can only be 4 things. 

One, bad workmanship during installation (who installed it is a good thing question).  We had to know who welded each weld and they were numbered and a record made. 

Two, Russia did it intentionally.

Three, The West did it to blame Russia or to keep them from selling the gas.

Four, some extreme Greenie terrorist who wants to do away with all fossil fuels. 

All we are doing is guessing.  Someone has to go underwater and inspect the pipeline to see what happened.  It it a blow up or a blow out from a bad weld or stress crack from twisting or bending.  Is it laying on an underwater rock or something putting stress on the pipeline?

The pipe is coated, then concrete put around it to keep it from floating, since gas is like air and will make it float without enough weight to hold it down. 
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« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2022, 08:32:21 AM »
Lloyd, I had to do a little build up work and absolutely hated it. A trained monkey with a good attention span could have done it. I loved piping systems with flanges, 90 and 45 degree turns, etc. Something to keep you thinking. I seldom worked with a blueprint although I had no problem with doing so. Most of the time it was "we need to go from here to there with this stuff in the the middle so order what you need and go build it" or " we need to make something that will do this so figuer it out and build it". I have also worked with some great engineers and a few that were complete a-holes. I was great at just ignoring the latter.

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« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2022, 09:39:39 AM »
The entire reasoning world thinks NATO blew the pipe, exactly as Biden and Nuland admitted they would  on video. Just as the Reagan administration blew a gas pipe in Siberia in the 1980's !

Cui bono?

Only useful idiots and the propaganda soaked mind damaged would think Russia would blow their own pipe _ _ a main economic asset, investment, money maker, and tie to the European community. IF ANYTHING THEY WOULD HAVE BLOWN THE COMPETING BALTIC-POLISH PIPE WHICH OPENED THE DAY AFTER NORDSTREAM WAS BLOWN! DUH! Next they're going to tell us Russia blew up their Karch Strait Bridge,,, ha-ha lol.

Somebody, NATO-WEF-US, is waging war on Russia and Europe at the same time. The evidence is overwhelming. And on humanity and the planet. Expect retaliation.

At this point it would be smart for those people identifying as so-called conservatives to review the Declaration of Independence, because this is not about transgressions you are willing to suffer; it's about transgressions that are 'insufferable'.

Cui bono?
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Cui bono?

Problem seems to be that many after being told what to think then obey, expect others to reinforce their obeyed opinion and if not they are? Well, everyone has seen the onslaught of insults upon those not in march step. Useful tools. If I agree with others that have a different view then I’m barraged with insults, yet if they agree with each other they are the anointed ones errr enlightened ones. Sorry to say butt, I’m gonna listen to the smartest guy’s in the rooms opinion over the dumbest and then make my decision after my own research not due to fear of being heckled by idiots.

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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2022, 10:13:37 AM »
The entire reasoning world thinks NATO blew the pipe, exactly as Biden and Nuland admitted they would  on video. Just as the Reagan administration blew a gas pipe in Siberia in the 1980's !

Cui bono?

Only useful idiots and the propaganda soaked mind damaged would think Russia would blow their own pipe _ _ a main economic asset, investment, money maker, and tie to the European community. IF ANYTHING THEY WOULD HAVE BLOWN THE COMPETING BALTIC-POLISH PIPE WHICH OPENED THE DAY AFTER NORDSTREAM WAS BLOWN! DUH! Next they're going to tell us Russia blew up their Karch Strait Bridge,,, ha-ha lol.

Somebody, NATO-WEF-US, is waging war on Russia and Europe at the same time. The evidence is overwhelming. And on humanity and the planet. Expect retaliation.

At this point it would be smart for those people identifying as so-called conservatives to review the Declaration of Independence, because this is not about transgressions you are willing to suffer; it's about transgressions that are 'insufferable'.

Cui bono?
.
.

Cui bono?

Problem seems to be that many after being told what to think then obey, expect others to reinforce their obeyed opinion and if not they are? Well, everyone has seen the onslaught of insults upon those not in march step. Useful tools. If I agree with others that have a different view then I’m barraged with insults, yet if they agree with each other they are the anointed ones errr enlightened ones. Sorry to say butt, I’m gonna listen to the smartest guy’s in the rooms opinion over the dumbest and then make my decision after my own research not due to fear of being heckled by idiots.



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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2022, 10:22:13 AM »
The entire reasoning world thinks NATO blew the pipe, exactly as Biden and Nuland admitted they would  on video. Just as the Reagan administration blew a gas pipe in Siberia in the 1980's !

Cui bono?

Only useful idiots and the propaganda soaked mind damaged would think Russia would blow their own pipe _ _ a main economic asset, investment, money maker, and tie to the European community. IF ANYTHING THEY WOULD HAVE BLOWN THE COMPETING BALTIC-POLISH PIPE WHICH OPENED THE DAY AFTER NORDSTREAM WAS BLOWN! DUH! Next they're going to tell us Russia blew up their Karch Strait Bridge,,, ha-ha lol.

Somebody, NATO-WEF-US, is waging war on Russia and Europe at the same time. The evidence is overwhelming. And on humanity and the planet. Expect retaliation.

At this point it would be smart for those people identifying as so-called conservatives to review the Declaration of Independence, because this is not about transgressions you are willing to suffer; it's about transgressions that are 'insufferable'.

Cui bono?
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Cui bono?

Problem seems to be that many after being told what to think then obey, expect others to reinforce their obeyed opinion and if not they are? Well, everyone has seen the onslaught of insults upon those not in march step. Useful tools. If I agree with others that have a different view then I’m barraged with insults, yet if they agree with each other they are the anointed ones errr enlightened ones. Sorry to say butt, I’m gonna listen to the smartest guy’s in the rooms opinion over the dumbest and then make my decision after my own research not due to fear of being heckled by idiots.



Eureka, I have found it.  The perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

When are you going to say anything worthwhile here? Seriously. You do nothing other than troll others and mostly me because being a (ahem) gentleman as you call yourself. I excoriate you through pm instead of on the open forum. Keep it up and I’ll spank you openly. BTW. Do you have anything to add to this topic?

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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2022, 10:38:21 AM »
Again with the pot and kettle thing.  You are consistent if nothing else.  You remind me of a chihuahua that my grandfather had when I was a kid.  Seventeen years old, not a tooth in his head, constantly shaking with fear (anger?) and if I tried to touch him, he would gum me.  That was funny too.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2022, 10:40:17 AM »
Again with the pot and kettle thing.  You are consistent if nothing else.  You remind me of a chihuahua that my grandfather had when I was a kid.  Seventeen years old, not a tooth in his head, constantly shaking with fear (anger?) and if I tried to touch him, he would gum me.  That was funny too.

So what is your opinion on the pipeline  as that IS the topic at hand?

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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2022, 10:50:43 AM »
Gentlemen, can we at least pretend to be adults here even if you really are 8 year old kids that your posts make you seem to be?

Behave dammit.


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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2022, 11:01:53 AM »
Sorry GB.
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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2022, 11:42:57 AM »
  TM, I am not placing the blame anywhere, because I am not in a position to be absolutely positive..but I still must inquire..

  Cui bono? So we wonder what would be the benefit to Russia herself to blow the pipeline..

   One common accusation we hear, perhaps from many of us, is the thought of "false flag" attacks..

  Someone suggested we won't truly know, until somebody goes down there, inspects the pipeline, then reports the facts..

  I'm afraid that won't settle a thing, because in today's world much depends upon who goes down and who pronounces the verdict.   ;)  ;D
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?
« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2022, 11:46:20 AM »
Sorry GB.

So, what is your opinion on the topic at hand for once?