Mystery: Who blew up the GazProm pipelines?

[TM7]

Do you like a good mystery?
Well, who do you think just blew up the under sea Russian GazProm's Nord Stream pipelines that deliver natgas to Europe?

Gonzalo Lira gives his opinion:

If Lira is right we have a problem.
And Europe has a huge problem...
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[Dee]

I cant find anything saying its been sabotaged in any way, but that its been shut down by russia to repair a leak.

https://fa.news/articles/gazprom_s_pipeline_problem_is_a_blow_to_russia-274966/

[Dee]

Got a video, a credible link, a news release?

Dee... that's old news from first of Sept on a different issue.
2 nights ago pressure in the pipeline rapidly dropped in moments. Gas was seen bubbling to the surface off of Denmark. There was sudden breech and German officials know this.
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[ironglow]

  Just a ploy to put the squeeze on west Europe.  The Sabotage?  ...Likely didn't happen, but it is a convenient
   excuse to shut the pipeline down..

[Dee]

  Just a ploy to put the squeeze on west Europe.  The Sabotage?  ...Likely didn't happen, but it is a convenient
   excuse to shut the pipeline down..

Your most likely right. TMs source as usual is an off the wall wingnut "dating coach" turned "pro Pootun".

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gonzalo-lira-is-a-pro-putin-shill-in-ukraine-and-a-sleazy-manosphere-dating-coach

[Dee]

Ha-ha...Dee doesn't like my link. What's new?
Lira hosted a men's advice site 10+ years ago. So what?
He's a Dartmouth grad journalist, author, respected journalist and commentator; presently hosting  a  round table discussion group of various illuminators.  He lives in Ukraine with his Ukrainian wife and kids.
 It's what the left always does....try to smear those contentious with their agenda and insanity to divert.
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Fact is there appears to be a Nord Stream pipelines breech, and people want to know Whodunnit....
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Well, I watched part of Gonzos' video, and he offers ZERO PROOF of any such sabotage. ZERO! Only his "satirical opinion" around puffs of his cigarette. Hes a fiction book writer, and "conspiracy theorist" which is right up your alley. But of course your right. You're right in all things Pootun.

[O-mega]

The news is surfacing.
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-nord-stream-pipelines-unprecedented-may-have-been-sabotaged

Sweden’s government held a crisis management meeting with other public authorities over the damage to the Nord Stream pipeline system, Swedish daily newspaper Aftonbaldet said, citing comments from Foreign Minister Ann Linde.

Linde said Sweden may discuss the pipeline damage with Denmark later today. 

Denmark is tightening security around all energy assets as some European officials speculate the NS pipeline system was sabotaged.

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The plot thickens about what caused damage to three lines of the Nord Stream gas-pipeline system under the Baltic Sea to Europe as some European officials now suspect sabotage.

Nord Stream AG, the operator of the NS pipeline system, published a statement Tuesday that read, "the destruction that happened within one day at three lines of the Nord Stream pipeline system is unprecedented ... and impossible now to estimate the timeframe for restoring operations of the gas shipment infrastructure."

On Monday, NS2 gas pipeline and two NS1 lines reported rapid pressure drops, with gas leaks reported by Swedish and Danish authorities in the Baltic Sea near the exclusive economic zone southeast of Bornholm island.

[mcbammer]

    Some dimwit came right out and boasted on live tv, he could bring a end to the   Nord Sream 2 pipeline. 

[Bob Smith]

Well, Denmark is a NATO ally, so makes things interesting.

[DDZ]

Nothing this administration does would surprise me.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLb0QeCQF_I

[ironglow]

  How about a bit of logic;

      The Nordstream is reported broken..  For whom is that good news?

   Ukraine?  Why would they break it?  The Ukraine is already receiving advanced weapons and ammo from
  western Europe. Such a break could be interpreted as a ploy by the Russians to threaten Europe with a cold, cold winter, if they don't quit shipping arms to Ukraine..

     Russia?  Such a break would be enough to jar the lives of people in western European countries, and force them to reduce aid to the Ukraine.. Throw a scare into them..
   If the Germans or French get frozen out this winter, it could result in a tough election..certainly enough to throw politicians into a panic.

[Lloyd Smale]

yup if it was sabotaged my guess is it russia who did it just so they can blame someone else and escalate the war even further. That and to show the Europeans who buy there gas just how bad it could get if they turn it off. If we did it I applaud the government. It might put a hit on putins war fund and teach those Europeans a bit of a lesson for supporting putins war machine by buying oil and gas from him. but i seriously doubt it was us. Biden doesnt have a big enough set of balls to do something like that. Heck he approved the opening of it. Now if a major gas line or oil line in the US was breached i could see it being some kind of cia thing. The left would love to show us how much pollution it would cause and that they should all be shut down . bottom line is it is just a leak the spin doctors will get all the conspirisy believers jumping up and down. Heck its already happening here.

  How about a bit of logic;

      The Nordstream is reported broken..  For whom is that good news?

   Ukraine?  Why would they break it?  The Ukraine is already receiving advanced weapons and ammo from
  western Europe. Such a break could be interpreted as a ploy by the Russians to threaten Europe with a cold, cold winter, if they don't quit shipping arms to Ukraine..

     Russia?  Such a break would be enough to jar the lives of people in western European countries, and force them to reduce aid to the Ukraine.. Throw a scare into them..
   If the Germans or French get frozen out this winter, it could result in a tough election..certainly enough to throw politicians into a panic.

[ironglow]

  BTW: Shot happens !

   Among all the bluster by news agencies around the world, why are they not connecting the dots, such as this dot?

    Perhaps in efforts to place blame, they loose sight of other possible factors..

      https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/region/2227/earthquakes/baltic-sea.html

[ironglow]

    If the law comes upon a fresh murder mystery in a neighborhood, they start questioning people who are in the
  area..
  So who might be a prime person to interview?  Easy, anyone who has murdered previously, since they are already a proven killer.  If they have killed before, they may be likely to do it again.

  Keeping that in mind, here is a possibility..
 
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60131520

[Lloyd Smale]

yup a leader whos willing to kill his own people and anyone that apposes him surely wouldnt fabricate this so that he can blame the US and nato for attacking him to give more credence to his insane rampage. His back is against the wall and he would do ANYTHING right now to make himself look like a victim.

[mcbammer]

    Putin had nothing to gain by sabotaging his nest egg that was supporting his war effort ,when he  has a big valve he could turn off & on . ,and  as far as a earthquake ,thats really getting out there in boom boom land .
          only a government with advanced naval warfare capability ,could have executed a sabotage such as this . suspects are  Germany, Great Brit., France
       U.S. , Russia & China .

[Mule 11]

    Putin had nothing to gain by sabotaging his nest egg that was supporting his war effort ,when he  has a big valve he could turn off & on . ,and  as far as a earthquake ,thats really getting out there in boom boom land .
          only a government with advanced naval warfare capability ,could have executed a sabotage such as this . suspects are  Germany, Great Brit., France
       U.S. , Russia & China .

My thoughts  also. Just turn off the supply until some comply. Why destroy your own property? Only Biden and other sell outs think like that and mostly after being paid off. If you weren’t paid you are just a tool...

[Mule 11]

yup a leader whos willing to kill his own people and anyone that apposes him surely wouldnt fabricate this so that he can blame the US and nato for attacking him to give more credence to his insane rampage. His back is against the wall and he would do ANYTHING right now to make himself look like a victim.

[DDZ]

I believe the radical left and/or whoever is running the Biden administration had something to do with the pipeline break rather than Russia having anything to do with it. As Tucker said it just doesn't make sense for them to do it.  I understand also that Russia is he reason our fuel prices are so high, and we have record inflation. Its probably Russia's fault also that our energy production in this country was shutdown too. Maybe its Russia's fault too that a guy with dementia got placed in the white House with fraudulent votes.  I'm thinking its Russia's fault also that millions of illegals are flowing across our southern border unchecked. Putin, Putin, Putin, Russia, Russia, Russia. I'm not claiming Russia is not a rogue state. Just saying our government now in power is about as corrupt and evil as it gets. 

[Lloyd Smale]

I havent seen anything but speculation that it was even blown up. Id think if we blew it up putin would be screaming at the top of his lungs for retaliation. Pretty much silence over the whole matter on the news and internet (other then conspiracy web sites) Could have been something as logical as a weld failing or poor engineering. That said if you dont believe putin wouldnt hurt his people by doing this to fabricate a reason to escalate ive got this bridge. He will still eat steak even without that money lost. Its his people that will suffer not him. Its about like believing biden would never shut down a pipeline in america because HE cant afford it. Putin survived just fine before that pipe line was built and is probably the richest man alive today. His back is agaisnt the wall in this war. He would do ANYTHING he thought would give him more credence with china iran and korea. ANYTHING.

[Dee]

I havent seen anything but speculation that it was even blown up. Id think if we blew it up putin would be screaming at the top of his lungs for retaliation. Pretty much silence over the whole matter on the news and internet (other then conspiracy web sites) Could have been something as logical as a weld failing or poor engineering. That said if you dont believe putin wouldnt hurt his people by doing this to fabricate a reason to escalate ive got this bridge. He will still eat steak even without that money lost. Its his people that will suffer not him. Its about like believing biden would never shut down a pipeline in america because HE cant afford it. Putin survived just fine before that pipe line was built and is probably the richest man alive today. His back is agaisnt the wall in this war. He would do ANYTHING he thought would give him more credence with china iran and korea. ANYTHING.

"Pure SPECULATION" on what happened. Russia said back in September that it was being shut down due to "urgent maintenance" being behind. Russia is famous for half-assin everything.

NUTHIN is positive that anything was intentionally blown up. It's all a "conspiracy theory" until "real evidence" is produced.

https://nypost.com/2022/09/03/russias-gazprom-indefinitely-closes-nord-stream-1-pipeline-to-europe/

[Lloyd Smale]

just found this on newsmax. Seems they agree with me https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/putin-pipelines-russia/2022/09/28/id/1089507/  I seriously dont think we or anyone in nato did this. Putin? Maybe. but until actual proof is laid on the table my best guess is it was just a mechanical failure. A bad weld ect. If theres proof we or a nato country did this id like to see it. Show me a LEGITIMATE web site that has proof. Not some conspiracy bs with just accusations.

[ironglow]

  We on GBO can postulate, opinionate, gesticulate and bloviate...

   ..But I doubt any of us are in a position where we can offer an incontrovertible answer to this conundrum.

[Lloyd Smale]

thats for sure ironglow. but dont you find it suspect that it happens just when winter is approaching and the russians say it will take months to assess the damage and start repairing it. bottom line is there cutting of supply's to those country's when they need it most. sure looks like a blackmail attempt to me. I would think they could have at least assessed the damage in a matter of a couple weeks. If they cant they shouldnt be allowed to even have that pipe line under the water. As far as ive seen on line they havent even started to assess it let alone repair it. If i was putin and that pipeline was the deciding factor in whether i could pay for this war or not i think id have people on site then next day. He sure seems in no hurry.

[ironglow]

thats for sure ironglow. but dont you find it suspect that it happens just when winter is approaching and the russians say it will take months to assess the damage and start repairing it. bottom line is there cutting of supply's to those country's when they need it most. sure looks like a blackmail attempt to me. I would think they could have at least assessed the damage in a matter of a couple weeks. If they cant they shouldnt be allowed to even have that pipe line under the water. As far as ive seen on line they havent even started to assess it let alone repair it. If i was putin and that pipeline was the deciding factor in whether i could pay for this war or not i think id have people on site then next day. He sure seems in no hurry.

  For sure Lloyd..  ..But the Europeans were first class suckers, for ever trying to broker an honest deal with
  Putin.

     Then of course, Biden forced them into the big money deal with Putin.  After all, Putin had to have some way
   of financing his aggressions, and maybe Biden was eager to aid him.

[Lloyd Smale]

and biden did help him by about shutting down our fossil fuel industry that could have supplied some of the fuel for those countrys and it might well have allowed them to tell putin to pound sand

[ironglow]

and biden did help him by about shutting down our fossil fuel industry that could have supplied some of the fuel for those countrys and it might well have allowed them to tell putin to pound sand

  Exactly !!!

[Dee]

and biden did help him by about shutting down our fossil fuel industry that could have supplied some of the fuel for those countrys and it might well have allowed them to tell putin to pound sand

  Exactly !!!

Biden IS helping Europe by selling them oil. FROM OUR EMERGENCY RESERVE!

[Lloyd Smale]

yup and weakening us in the process. this too might be part of putins end game. but without bidens blunders we could ship them much more without harming ourselves. Think about the "stragetic reserve" Its oil we keep on hand to make sure we have fuel for war ships and planes and tanks. Its not bidens private gas station used to gather him votes. Legislation needs to be passed that prohibits the use of that reserve. Especially for other countrys. Its about like pumping 3/4s of the fuel out of every plane and tank and ship just praying nothing happens till its replaced. About like making a 1000 dollar bet in a poker game when you only have a 100 bucks in your pocket. I could maybe see it in a time where the world isnt on the brink of a nuclear war but this isnt the time for us get caught with our pants down.

and biden did help him by about shutting down our fossil fuel industry that could have supplied some of the fuel for those countrys and it might well have allowed them to tell putin to pound sand

  Exactly !!!

Biden IS helping Europe by selling them oil. FROM OUR EMERGENCY RESERVE!

[Dee]

Bidens' handlers have a plan. If they eliminate the strategic reserve, and have effectively shut down petroleum production we will all be forced into green energy.

They are void of forethought.