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Offline Ranger99

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Wagyu beef
« on: September 28, 2022, 03:10:04 PM »
Never have bought any.
I was given a chunk about
5X5X2 1/2 inches thick.

Sorry  to say that yeah, it
was tender and such, but
it wasn't better than any of
the other beef or venison I've
had that was properly tenderized
and cooked. I'd go as far to
say it was too tender. Very
hard to handle without shredding
to small pieces. I'll also say
that as far as flavor, I'd as soon
had some ground mixed venison
and beef cooked to the same
degree, and it would have been
just as tender.
I'd have been disappointed by
my experience if I'd paid what
I'm sure that chunk of meat would
have cost me in the grocery store.

Sorry gourmet types.   
Yes, I posted that on a
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Re: Wagyu beef
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2022, 09:04:34 AM »
I have had Wagyu and found the tenderness to be desirable, especially in a roast.
It removes the extra hassle to get tougher meats types any where near tender.

In a roast it takes less cooking time. It does make it easy to get shredded beef, IF, that is what one wants.
Steaks, a nice well marbled tender steak is hard to beat, but there flavor all depends on how one seasons and prepares any cut.

I have boughten a fairly large number of beef roasts/steaks from online high buck meat producers and do find that except to get some thing different for the sake of some thing different, their standard prime beef is good enough that to get the Waygu or other super pricey breeds, is best left for a special occasion.

I do find that stuff like Wagyu hamburger just makes no sense at all.

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Re: Wagyu beef
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2022, 01:27:22 PM »
   Never tried Waygu beef, so i won't comment directly on it.  .. But I find a strange thing going with many things that  take on a special aura of their own. 

   Sometimes I suspect, it is because some great athlete or other celebrity has praised it's value.  ..Doesn't have to
    have any great qualities or have used the item.

  I guess that is why some folks are seen wearing Jerseys with other folks names across their bqck..
   
    ..And I often wonder whoever first claimed that Snails were good eating.. or that a pet rock was a good buy.;) ;D
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Re: Wagyu beef
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2022, 02:11:18 PM »
What are WAGYU?

WAGYU - a Japanese beef cattle breed – derive from native Asian cattle. 'WAGYU' refers to all Japanese beef cattle, where 'Wa' means Japanese and 'gyu' means cow.

Wagyu were originally draft animals used in agriculture, and were selected for their physical endurance. This selection favored animals with more intra-muscular fat cells – ‘marbling’ – which provided a readily available energy source. Wagyu is a horned breed and the cattle are either black or red in color.
WAGYU Breed History in Japan

There is some evidence of genetic separation into the Wagyu genetic strain as much as 35000 years ago. Modern Wagyu cattle are the result of crossing of the native cattle in Japan with imported breeds.  Crossing began in 1868 after the Meiji restoration in that year.  The government wanted to introduce Western food habits and culture. Brown Swiss, Devon, Shorthorn, Simmental, Ayrshire, and Korean cattle were imported during this period. The infusions of these British, European and Asian breeds were closed to outside genetic infusions in 1910.

The variation of conformation within the Wagyu breed is greater than the variation across British and European breeds. The three major black strains - Tajiri or Tajima, Fujiyoshi (Shimane) and Kedaka  (Tottori) evolved due to regional geographic isolation in Japan. These breeding differences have produced a Japanese national herd that comprises 90% black cattle with the remainder being of the red strains Kochi and Kumamoto. For more information on the genetic diversity of the breed; click here

In Japan there are four breeds that are considered Wagyu and those are the Japanese Black (the predominant Wagyu exported to the U.S), Japanese Brown (In the U.S. referred to as Red Wagyu), Japanese Polled and Japanese Shorthorn.  There are no Japanese Polled or Shorthorns being bred outside Japan. Wagyu strains were isolated according to prefecture (state) and breeds imported for crossing were not the same in each prefecture.

The production of Wagyu beef in Japan is highly regulated and progeny testing is mandatory. Only the very best proven genetics are kept for breeding. Realizing the value of their unique product, the Japanese Government banned the export of Wagyu and declared them a national living treasure. Zenwa is the Gov't held entity in Japan that oversees the WAGYU registry for Japanese Black, Brown, Polled and Shorthorn.
WAGYU Breed History in USA

Wagyu cattle were first imported in 1975 when two black and two red bulls were imported Morris Whitney.  In 1989 the Japanese began to reduce their tariffs on imported beef and that encouraged U.S. producers to produce a high quality product for Japan.  In the 1990’s there were several importations of quality Wagyu.  Most were black, but a few were Red Wagyu.  These cattle have the greatest influence on the U.S. herd and those in many other countries.

Most US production was exported to Japan until 2003 when BSE was discovered and Japan and other countries stopped the import of beef for the U.S.  However, chefs and others in the U.S. were aware of the superior eating quality of Wagyu and the domestic market then and now utilize much of the U.S. production.
WAGYU Beef — Delicious and Healthy

The unique taste and tenderness of highly marbled Wagyu beef makes for an unrivalled eating experience.  That is why Wagyu beef is finding its way into the repertoires of Gourmet cooks and fine restaurants across the US.

Not only is it a gastronomic delight, but it’s healthy for you too. Health experts have discovered the mono-unsaturated to saturated fat ratio is higher in Wagyu than in other beef and, the saturated fat contained in Wagyu is different. Forty percent is in a version called stearic acid, which is regarded as having a minimal impact in raising cholesterol levels. The profile of marbled Wagyu beef is more beneficial and healthier to human health.

Wagyu is also higher in a type of fatty acid called conjugated linoleic acid (CLA).  Wagyu beef contain the highest amount of CLA per gram of any foodstuff – about 30% more than other beef breeds – due to higher linoleic acid levels. Foods that are naturally high in CLA have fewer negative health effects.
US WAGYU Today

The American Wagyu Association was incorporated in Texas on March 14, 1990 and serves to register Wagyu cattle in the U.S., Canada and other countries. The Association headquarters are based in Post Falls, ID. The Association has a vibrant membership base and continues to promote and develop a sustainable industry here in the US.

The opportunities Wagyu beef can offer are endless. This industry caters for the breeder / feeder targeting the high end restaurant trade with highly marbled beef to the bull producer supplying the cow / calf rearer a crossbred alternative that will offer calving ease ability and premium carcass quality in a single cross which no other beef breed can come close too.

The Wagyu breed has a vital role to play in the US to increase the quality of red meat produced in the US that our health conscious consumer of the twenty first century is forever seeking.

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Re: Wagyu beef
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2022, 04:39:31 AM »
I have always been happy with Texas or New Mexico beef and guess it isn't too bad for your health. I have managed 85+ years eating it with no problem. I would give up steak before paying the price for wagyu. Huge rip off IMO.

I did help pay for some last year. Out esteemed excuse for a governor had some people in for a meeting and they were served waygu beef courtesy of the NM taxpayers along with caviar and other expensive food items including a selection of expensive wines. When caught she explained that the attendees were important people and couldn't be expected to eat ordinary food. Yeah, in a state that has close to the lowest employment rate in the nation along with about the highest rate on government assistance.

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Re: Wagyu beef
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2022, 01:44:18 PM »
   I buy little meat, so there is no ;longer a need to get  a quarter or half a beef.
   Back years ago, when I was visiting my old Army buddy in Vermont, there was a Scots Highlander cattle farmer near his place, so I bought some and took it home..we both figured it was about the best we ever had.

   After that, I found some Highlander farmers near home..and we would get a quarter for the freezer upon occasion.

  The beauty of the Highland cattle, is that they live on roughage alone, so their meat is low in fat and not so likely to contain chemicals found in grain fed cattle.

  Now that I am alone, my meat ration is small...and I am not fussy about what kind it is..
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Re: Wagyu beef
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2022, 09:48:54 PM »
I have always been happy with Texas or New Mexico beef and guess it isn't too bad for your health. I have managed 85+ years eating it with no problem. I would give up steak before paying the price for wagyu. Huge rip off IMO.

I did help pay for some last year. Out esteemed excuse for a governor had some people in for a meeting and they were served waygu beef courtesy of the NM taxpayers along with caviar and other expensive food items including a selection of expensive wines. When caught she explained that the attendees were important people and couldn't be expected to eat ordinary food. Yeah, in a state that has close to the lowest employment rate in the nation along with about the highest rate on government assistance.
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Re: Wagyu beef
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2022, 04:51:18 AM »
I grew up on a farm and we fed out some beef to sell on the hoof but butchered one every year until I left home. Same with some hogs and we cured our own hams. I haven't had ham to equal since. After I married we started splitting a beef with our parents but a locker plant did the butchering and we eventually started buying a beef ready to put in the freezer from an uncle that was a life long rancher, one of those that got run off his land in the Tularosa Basin by the government to build White Sands Missile Range. I have eaten hereford, black angus, a couple of other breeds, plus some cross bred stuff and you know what, fed the same way there is absolutely no difference in the taste or tenderness of the meat. The eateries that advertise "we only use black angus beef" is pure hype. We have two grocery stores that have butcher shops and what little meat we eat we buy at one of them now.

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Re: Wagyu beef
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2022, 11:53:31 PM »
yup if there  fed the same I sure cant tell the difference. Its like a guy that was at my buddys game farm. He said red stag meat is much better then elk. Told him if the elk he ate was grain fed like these stags and never had to work for there supper youd never know the difference.
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