Russia takes off the gloves...

[Dee]

when was it we invaded another country to take there land as our own??

Lloyd, we invaded Iraq, killed thousands of Iraqis, and left it in ruins, over bad Intel, and a Bush vendetta. Doesn't really matter why, we had no right to do it.

[Lloyd Smale]

I wont argue that we made mistakes and were led by men who had alternative motives. But the truth is those were terrorists and the fact they didnt have nukes didnt change that fact and saddam and his regime were men who needed killing. I also didnt see us claiming there land as our own. Truthfully bush jr wasnt much smarter then biden and was a puppet just like him. It must have embarrassed the hell out of his father that jr got reelected and he didnt. Weve had other presidents no better. We dropped two bombs on japan and killed thousands when the war was all over but the crying because a president was getting fed bs from his generals. But the spread of communism and russia and chinas craving for world domination is as real as the nose on my face and needs to be stopped before it cant be.   

when was it we invaded another country to take there land as our own??

Lloyd, we invaded Iraq, killed thousands of Iraqis, and left it in ruins, over bad Intel, and a Bush vendetta. Doesn't really matter why, we had no right to do it.

[Dee]

I don't disagree, but since WWII, we still occupy England, Germany, and Japan. Shouldn't England, Germany, and the rest of Europe, do its own heavy lifting. Our military and tax dollars should not be spent being the worlds policeman.

[Dee]

I don't disagree, but since WWII, we still occupy England, Germany, and Japan. Shouldn't England, Germany, and the rest of Europe, do its own heavy lifting. Our military and tax dollars should not be spent being the worlds policeman.

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That's because the Establishment that runs the US doesn't have a foreign policy; they have a unipolar 'security policy' based on hegemony. But the world is changing and they can't or won't adapt.
Then along comes Putin who has a problem with their 'corruption hub' on his border, and warns for 10 years to curb that threat or he'll do something about it.  So he does, and the Establishment response is to sacrifice their empires in Europe and America.

Meanwhile, the Schwabian WEFers lick their lips.
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Oh BS, Pootin is as corrupt as they come, and intentionally killing civilians can't be justified, by anyone except by folks like you.

[Lloyd Smale]

yup thats a pet peeve of mine. I dont mind that we step in and stop this kind of crap but when we do it in countys that spend little to none of there own defense pisses me off. Nato should decide what money goes where and every country in nato should get an equal bill for what it cost. Dont like it? Leave nato and go on your own. 

I don't disagree, but since WWII, we still occupy England, Germany, and Japan. Shouldn't England, Germany, and the rest of Europe, do its own heavy lifting. Our military and tax dollars should not be spent being the worlds policeman.

[Lloyd Smale]

So your saying we should close every military installation on our mexican and Canadian border if THEY TELL US we have to. Pull all our weapons and bombs and missiles out of every country that has a country next to it that doesnt like it??? Shouldnt then russia take there missiles and bases that are close to Ukraine territory's and pull them all out because Ukraine tells them to.  Sorry but 10 feet away from the border is Ukraines land. Russia sure has no say in what they do on their own land. Now the minute they fire one of those missiles into russia, russia sure has grounds to retaliate just like the ukraine has the right to kill each and every russian that crosses that border with even a sling shot without permission. Like you have been told a thousand times on here. Ukraine DID NOT attack russia. Russia attacked them. I should say PUTIN attacked them because i dont think if they were allowed to speak hed get many russians that would agree with what he did. Not even many soldiers that have to do his fighting while he hides in a basement like biden campaigning.   

I don't disagree, but since WWII, we still occupy England, Germany, and Japan. Shouldn't England, Germany, and the rest of Europe, do its own heavy lifting. Our military and tax dollars should not be spent being the worlds policeman.

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That's because the Establishment that runs the US doesn't have a foreign policy; they have a unipolar 'security policy' based on hegemony. But the world is changing and they can't or won't adapt.
Then along comes Putin who has a problem with their 'corruption hub' on his border, and warns for 10 years to curb that threat or he'll do something about it.  So he does, and the Establishment response is to sacrifice their empires in Europe and America.

Meanwhile, the Schwabian WEFers lick their lips.
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[Dee]

Oh BS, Pootin is as corrupt as they come, and intentionally killing civilians can't be justified, by anyone except by folks like you.

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BS and bearing false witness again. That's real corruption.
I'm the guy before this all happened said it's easy to solve by negotiations. EASY TO SOLVE. For simply presenting the Russian view and history of the situation I get defamed

But while you and your loonatic brohiem dance around the flag pole holding hands with the Demoncrat war machine real people are getting killed and their lives ruined. Then you try to say I approve killing civilians; which is more lying and bearing false witness as you attempt your guilt on me. Just try to remember I was against this war from the start.

Now for a guy as corrupt as Putin as you claim, and I not saying he isn't,  how does he have a 80% approval rating in Russia?  You must have a long file on his corrupt activities. LETS SEE IT.
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Wup! Here we go again. I'm against a big country going in a little country and destroying its economic base, and killing innocent civilian men, women, children, and the  elderly and I'm dancing around the flag pole.

While you on the other hand celebrate the misery of these same people, and laud the ruthlessness of a Russian dictator.
Of course 80% of the Russian population support him. If they didn't, he'd bury'em in an unmarked grave.

His ruthlessness is legendary. Only the blind and ignorant defend him.

https://thedialog.org/featured/vladimir-putins-ruthlessness-a-response-to-moral-danger-democracy-could-spread-in-ukraine-says-archbishop-borys-gudziak/

[Lloyd Smale]

^^this^^

[Mule 11]

UNPROVOKED  attack on a neighboring country  Not saying all our incursions were correct, but it still ios "apples and oranges"..  Right
  now, we are talking about an UNPROVOKED attack on a neighbor country.

    Keep in mind, the Ukrainians never flew airliners into the towers of the Kremlin...

  The real shame..atbthe breakup of the USSR, Ukraine handed over their nuclear weapons to the Russians, figuring that vthey would
  never need them and Russia likely wouldn't either.

   Now, their 'friends' the Russians, are threatening them with those same weapons

Unprovoked my ass...

[Dee]

Hahahaha. ROFLMAO. Still trying to project your guilt on me for your justifying Biden's war. From the beginning I said it was simple to avoid this conflict, so obviously simple, it had to be a conspiracy to cause it. Ignored by you of course.

I'm reading this rant from a Ukrainian clergyman that reads like it came from a Langley talking points bulletin. Lol  In fact, some of the syntax is Langley's.

Then you tell me the Russian army is so corrupt and ineffective all they can do is waste munitions killing women and children and blowing up schools and hospitals.  BUT however, we need to totally fund Ukraine 's NATO based army once outnumbering Russian forces by more than 3 to 1. And now we're supplying/paying  ISIS and al Qaeda mercenaries to fill depleted Ukrainian ranks. And while depleting our own mil hardware stocks. Brilliant.
Then this corrupt infective Russian army and a leader hated by his people are supposed to be a threat to all of Europe and has all of NATO's shorts in a bunch! Sorry, can't have it both ways. For crying out loud, you even believe the conspiracy theory that Russia blew up their own NordStream. Thank God the Europeans are figuring this crap out.
Then we have your backwoods UPer buddy giving sound bites from a 1960’s Cold War newsreel. The UPer even said 'we got to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here'. Lmao_ _ WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT COMMIE CONGRESSMAN ADAM SCHIFF SAID.
Newsflash:. We already have been subverted by a commie order. Duh!

You sure you guys aren't writers for SNL..!?!

And fyi, in 240 years the US has been at war or occupying or invading some place except for 15 years preventative or preemptively, never attacked directly.
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Oh BS, Pootin is as corrupt as they come, and intentionally killing civilians can't be justified, by anyone except by folks like you.

.........

BS and bearing false witness again. That's real corruption.
I'm the guy before this all happened said it's easy to solve by negotiations. EASY TO SOLVE. For simply presenting the Russian view and history of the situation I get defamed

But while you and your loonatic brohiem dance around the flag pole holding hands with the Demoncrat war machine real people are getting killed and their lives ruined. Then you try to say I approve killing civilians; which is more lying and bearing false witness as you attempt your guilt on me. Just try to remember I was against this war from the start.

Now for a guy as corrupt as Putin as you claim, and I not saying he isn't,  how does he have a 80% approval rating in Russia?  You must have a long file on his corrupt activities. LETS SEE IT.
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Wup! Here we go again. I'm against a big country going in a little country and destroying its economic base, and killing innocent civilian men, women, children, and the  elderly and I'm dancing around the flag pole.

While you on the other hand celebrate the misery of these same people, and laud the ruthlessness of a Russian dictator.
Of course 80% of the Russian population support him. If they didn't, he'd bury'em in an unmarked grave.

His ruthlessness is legendary. Only the blind and ignorant defend him.

https://thedialog.org/featured/vladimir-putins-ruthlessness-a-response-to-moral-danger-democracy-could-spread-in-ukraine-says-archbishop-borys-gudziak/

I think its pretty clear to pretty much everyone, save one, that your ok with the slaughter of innocent Ukraine citizens by Pootin .
Your adoration of such a pariah clearly has given you a genuinely distorted view of humanity. You view the Ukrainian civilian slaughter of innocents as justifiable to achieve Pootins' goals of annexation.

Your bizarre efforts at distorting my clearly stated views on the  subject are just as apparent to everyone save one.

You really need to get some counciling. There is never justification for killing innocents and to believe otherwise is clarity in that you have mental, and moral issues.

[Dixie-Dude]

Putin wants the old Russian/USSR empire back.  He has said as such. 

Ukraine has been corrupt and a democrat money laundering country. 

Which is the lesser of two evils and can be controlled more easily by the west? 

Yes, NATO nations, like Trump said, should be paying their 2% of their GDP into their militaries for their own defense.  Time to say enough is enough.  Yes we have air and naval bases all over Europe, Japan, Taiwan, Australia, even in some friendly Muslim nations.  All to contain Russia and China.  They in turn feel like their countries have a western noose around them.  Russia has always wanted outlets to the seas and have felt hemmed in by other countries.  China once was inward looking for centuries, yet now they want Taiwan and to expand their influence around the world.  England and America have been naval powers reaching anywhere in the world an ocean or sea touched.  They both should remain that way.

Back to NATO, England and the new Eastern European nations who joined NATO pay their fair share into NATO. Germany, France, and Italy the richest of Nato have not and should.  All three have a greater GDP than England due to English socialism (free health care costs a lot of money). 

[Dee]

The Ukrainian civilian death toll by Pootins invasion is barbaric. Nothing can justify the numbers.

www.globaldata.com/data-insights/macroeconomic/ukraine-civilian-death-toll/

[Lloyd Smale]

I think its pretty clear to pretty much everyone, save one, that your ok with the slaughter of innocent Ukraine citizens by Pootin .
Your adoration of such a pariah clearly has given you a genuinely distorted view of humanity. You view the Ukrainian civilian slaughter of innocents as justifiable to achieve Pootins' goals of annexation.

Your bizarre efforts at distorting my clearly stated views on the  subject are just as apparent to everyone save one.

You really need to get some counciling. There is never justification for killing innocents and to believe otherwise is clarity in that you have mental, and moral issues.

AMEN

[Lloyd Smale]

Putin wants the old Russian/USSR empire back.  He has said as such.

Ukraine has been corrupt and a democrat money laundering country.

Which is the lesser of two evils and can be controlled more easily by the west?

Yes, NATO nations, like Trump said, should be paying their 2% of their GDP into their militaries for their own defense.  Time to say enough is enough.  Yes we have air and naval bases all over Europe, Japan, Taiwan, Australia, even in some friendly Muslim nations.  All to contain Russia and China.  They in turn feel like their countries have a western noose around them.  Russia has always wanted outlets to the seas and have felt hemmed in by other countries.  China once was inward looking for centuries, yet now they want Taiwan and to expand their influence around the world.  England and America have been naval powers reaching anywhere in the world an ocean or sea touched.  They both should remain that way.

Back to NATO, England and the new Eastern European nations who joined NATO pay their fair share into NATO. Germany, France, and Italy the richest of Nato have not and should.  All three have a greater GDP than England due to English socialism (free health care costs a lot of money).

and amen again.

[Dee]

LOL,  once again. If the Ukraine had surrendered themselves to the bully, the bully wouldn't be killing the innocent civilians.

Fence straddles. What a joke.

Your either for the bully dictator killing innocents, or your a fence straddler.

[Dee]

And you have been misconstrueing my political views on the war, and cheering Pootins killing of civilians continually.

[Lloyd Smale]

And Putin may be the biggest SOB around, but like it or not he's who we get to work with

so thats the attraction to him! birds of feather

[Lloyd Smale]

dee hes lied so long that he believes it. Reads conspirisy therory crap so much and cant go outside so hes lost touch with the REAL world. His whole sad life is in that phone that he taps on ALL DAY LONG.

[Dee]

dee hes lied so long that he believes it. Reads conspirisy therory crap so much and cant go outside so hes lost touch with the REAL world. His whole sad life is in that phone that he taps on ALL DAY LONG.

Well thats fine, I've improved my GBO experience and put him and his little boy on my ignore list. There's nuthin positive in any exchange with either, and I'm stepping away from the BS. I'm gonna be an ex-contributer.