Police; National or Local

[nw_hunter]

https://thenewamerican.com/magazine/tna3820/page/242778/

[Dee]

Well, if they nationalized the police, there wouldn't be any cowardly police. That should make a lotta folks here and other places.
No fear of law suits, or school boards, or city councils, or parents.

Federal cops just go in there a clean house.

[JeffG]

A nationalized police would one of the first steps to a totalitarian government. No local control, no individual state laws, no redress for abuses. No States' rights. Not a good idea. National training standards on the other hand, would be very good.

[Dee]

A nationalized police would one of the first steps to a totalitarian government. No local control, no individual state laws, no redress for abuses. No States' rights. Not a good idea. National training standards on the other hand, would be very good.

Well, my post was intended as sarcasm. As for "national training standards" you might as well go with a national police force. It would basically be the same thing.

As Reagan once said: when the government says "we're here to help" beware. 

Our loss of states rights is part of the problem. Giving the federal government the power to establish "national training standards" would automatically invoke federal training officers, federal supervision, and federal authority.

Given the federal government guidelines regarding the FBI, ATF, IRS, and the United States Marshall Service, sounds like a nightmare to local and county law enforcement agencies.

[gene_225]

Heard this morning on the radio that they were going to have a presentation some time today about sheriff's who think they have more power than the president. Haven't listened to it, but I suspect it will talk about the arrest of a Forest Service employee supervising a small burn that got away and burned 20 acres of private property. The point, I expect, will be that "many" sheriff's decide which laws to enforce and which to ignore. At least from the perspective of some folks.

[Dee]

Heard this morning on the radio that they were going to have a presentation some time today about sheriff's who think they have more power than the president. Haven't listened to it, but I suspect it will talk about the arrest of a Forest Service employee supervising a small burn that got away and burned 20 acres of private property. The point, I expect, will be that "many" sheriff's decide which laws to enforce and which to ignore. At least from the perspective of some folks.

Yeah, the feds do that a lot.

[ironglow]

We have seen nationalized police forces before ...

A) Geheime Staats Polizei  or.. the  GESTAPO

B) Then there was the KGB..

  ...And now, is the FBI trying to become the Gestapo...

   NO THANK YOU !!!!

"power  corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" We see just such absolute power being exercised in Cuba, Iran, the CCP and North Korea... not interested !

  If the people in NY City, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Austin, Minneapolis, Portland or Seattle, don't want
  criminals running rampant in their towns..they can get their azzez together and elect LAW and ORDER CANDIDATES.. to city offices !

   It is up to those very people who are suffering,   ..... KICK THE SCUM OUT !  If you don't..then you are just getting what you asked for !

   

[gene_225]

Actually that cuts both ways. Applies to the folks in our cities and towns. And the folks in the countries where we send troops to "help out". If people want a change, it's up to them to get it.

[Lloyd Smale]

id like it to go all county police. Sherrifs are elected by the people in that county and answer to those people. Even the state police here in MI are about political Gestapo controled by the liberal governor. In all my years i only knew one that wasnt arrogant and he was the captain of our state police post. He was a very fair man. But he got that post taken away from him because he refused to meet ticket quotas and shortly after they closed that post and now work out of marquette post. The most liberal city in the UP. 

[Dee]

Government regulations concerning local, county law enforcement is dangerous on its best day.

[nw_hunter]

Personally, I believe the only Federal police should be the Military police. Used for policing the military bases, and those wearing the uniform of the USA. If the FBI or any other Federal entity needs to have someone arrested, have it carried out by State or local police. I believe our local police should stop trying to look and act like the US fighting soldier. Get back to being our men in blue, not someone storming the beach at Normandy.

I believe we need to elect our police chiefs like we do our county Sheriffs. That gives the people who live in the city some input in the way their city is policed. The police chief should answer to the people, not some mayor or city planner. Overall, the best police presence we have today across America is at the County level.

I believe we should have  (like the military used to be) physical requirements to maintain for our policeMEN. They should  be able to physically protect and serve. Most Women and some Men do not meet the physical requirements to do the job entrusted in them. Set the bar high to belong to this group, and let those who cannot qualify  seek employment elsewhere. Citizens (especially) our children need a police force that will lay their lives on the line to protect theirs. Unfortunately, we see some (Not all) of our protectors failing to do this today (Uvaldi Texas).

Policing citizens should only be left to local authorities. Anything at the Federal level is Military intervention.Just my opinion as an armchair quarterback.

[Lloyd Smale]

^yup^

[ironglow]

A "blast from the past"...many didn't get it when a former president spoke about an intended American Gestapo !

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpnd_kVFspg

[gene_225]

Personally, I believe the only Federal police should be the Military police. Used for policing the military bases, and those wearing the uniform of the USA. If the FBI or any other Federal entity needs to have someone arrested, have it carried out by State or local police. I believe our local police should stop trying to look and act like the US fighting soldier. Get back to being our men in blue, not someone storming the beach at Normandy.

I believe we need to elect our police chiefs like we do our county Sheriffs. That gives the people who live in the city some input in the way their city is policed. The police chief should answer to the people, not some mayor or city planner. Overall, the best police presence we have today across America is at the County level.

I believe we should have  (like the military used to be) physical requirements to maintain for our policeMEN. They should  be able to physically protect and serve. Most Women and some Men do not meet the physical requirements to do the job entrusted in them. Set the bar high to belong to this group, and let those who cannot qualify  seek employment elsewhere. Citizens (especially) our children need a police force that will lay their lives on the line to protect theirs. Unfortunately, we see some (Not all) of our protectors failing to do this today (Uvaldi Texas).

Policing citizens should only be left to local authorities. Anything at the Federal level is Military intervention.Just my opinion as an armchair quarterback.

While I am in basic agreement, it would be well to remember why higher level police organizations were created. The local rich guy would buy/coerce enough votes to put his own guy in office as sheriff to enforce only policies favorable to him. Happen in the west and the south most recently; probably also happened in the east as well, but I've never lived East of the Mississippi River so know less of it's history.

Point is it isn't as simple as just having enforcement be local.

[nw_hunter]

That is why we had the FBI originally  to investigate those local corrupt people, and have them arrested by the State Police or Federal Marshals.

[DDZ]

I think the call for de-funding the police, and allowing crime to rise is a excuse for the federal government to create a national police force. The rise in crime was i believe planned, just like everything else has been planned in the dismantling of America. Many call them ignorant or stupid. but they know what they are doing, and have a plan. Who is stupid, and or ignorant is the voters.   

[nw_hunter]

This is why we need to have our states take back control they have allowed the Federal Government to assume in disregard of the Constitution. We need it now, before they are powerless!

[ironglow]

  ..Be4st reason why we should not have federal police and why we should start clipping the wings of many federal agencies, can
   b8e found in my signature line.  ....see below..

   " Our Constitution was made only for a moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
   (John Adams)