What a way to go...

[ironglow]

What a way to go,.......weighed down with all that intentional sin...

   https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/shooting-colorado-nightclub/2022/11/20/id/1097204/

[TrumpWon]

Yes, premeditated murder= intentional sin

[Dee]

What a way to go,.......weighed down with all that intentional sin...

   https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/shooting-colorado-nightclub/2022/11/20/id/1097204/

So you think they were lost?

[ironglow]

Yes, premeditated murder= intentional sin

  Of course premeditated murder is same as is practiced by the homosexual crowd..premeditated, unrepentant sin.

[ironglow]

What a way to go,.......weighed down with all that intentional sin...

   https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/shooting-colorado-nightclub/2022/11/20/id/1097204/

So you think they were lost?

  What do you think?

    " 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.  (Romans 1:26-28)

[Dee]

What a way to go,.......weighed down with all that intentional sin...

   https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/shooting-colorado-nightclub/2022/11/20/id/1097204/

So you think they were lost?

  What do you think?

    " 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.  (Romans 1:26-28)

I didn't know a single one of the deceased in this case, nor did God send me an email concerning the deceaseds' spiritual condition.
Thanks however, for the scripture from Romans, although that isn't an answer to my question. For all anyone here on earth knows, they were killed for evangelizing to the lost.

But just look at all that "intentional sin" your weighed down with.

(1) THEREFORE thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemned thyself: for thou that judges doest the same things.

[billy_56081]

So did one of their own do it?

[Mule 11]

Yes, premeditated murder= intentional sin

What happened to the plank in IG’s eye?

[Mule 11]

So did one of their own do it?

They are doing a fine job of exterminating their own with or without smoke poles. How sad...

[ironglow]

What a way to go,.......weighed down with all that intentional sin...

   https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/shooting-colorado-nightclub/2022/11/20/id/1097204/

So you think they were lost?

  What do you think?

    " 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.  (Romans 1:26-28)

I didn't know a single one of the deceased in this case, nor did God send me an email concerning the deceaseds' spiritual condition.
Thanks however, for the scripture from Romans, although that isn't an answer to my question. For all anyone here on earth knows, they were killed for evangelizing to the lost.

But just look at all that "intentional sin" your weighed down with.

(1) THEREFORE thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemned thyself: for thou that judges doest the same things.

     So no sweat...  you walked into a presumption. If you look at reply#3, you would have noticed I was not referring to any evangelists.
   
  But even if they were, then God will sort them out. 

  You sure do like to argue..is there a thread you have joined in here, where you didn't pick an argument with someone?

[ironglow]

Yes, premeditated murder= intentional sin

What happened to the plank in IG’s eye?

  It sure looks like you and Dee both should start  brushing up on your hermeneutics.

[Dee]

What a way to go,.......weighed down with all that intentional sin...

   https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/shooting-colorado-nightclub/2022/11/20/id/1097204/

So you think they were lost?

  What do you think?

    " 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.  (Romans 1:26-28)

I didn't know a single one of the deceased in this case, nor did God send me an email concerning the deceaseds' spiritual condition.
Thanks however, for the scripture from Romans, although that isn't an answer to my question. For all anyone here on earth knows, they were killed for evangelizing to the lost.

But just look at all that "intentional sin" your weighed down with.

(1) THEREFORE thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemned thyself: for thou that judges doest the same things.

     So no sweat...  you walked into a presumption. If you look at reply#3, you would have noticed I was not referring to any evangelists.
   
  But even if they were, then God will sort them out. 

  You sure do like to argue..is there a thread you have joined in here, where you didn't pick an argument with someone?

I'm not picking an argument. I'm making an observation. Not too long ago you accused me of being the reason Bugeye left GBO.
Then, Bugeye reappeared and you two started tryin to double-team me and straighten me out. What was most prominently obvious was your about the only one that always agreed with Bugeye, and you two faithfully backed each other.
Bugeye left AGAIN, not because of me, but because of EVERYBODY saw him as nutbag.
And, both of you constantly condemned others to Hell, saying that certain folks in the news either WERE going to Hell, or deserved going to Hell.
You eluded to that same "consistant habit" of the 5 killed in that night club as dieing with "intentional sin". Now you're tryin to soft pedal what you said.
You don't know those victims. You don't know if they were even homosexual. Your self-righteousness as always kicked in, and you don't want it pointed out so you identified it as argument.

You did it, so you own it. 

[billy_56081]

What a way to go,.......weighed down with all that intentional sin...

   https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/shooting-colorado-nightclub/2022/11/20/id/1097204/

So you think they were lost?

  What do you think?

    " 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.  (Romans 1:26-28)

I didn't know a single one of the deceased in this case, nor did God send me an email concerning the deceaseds' spiritual condition.
Thanks however, for the scripture from Romans, although that isn't an answer to my question. For all anyone here on earth knows, they were killed for evangelizing to the lost.

But just look at all that "intentional sin" your weighed down with.

(1) THEREFORE thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemned thyself: for thou that judges doest the same things.

     So no sweat...  you walked into a presumption. If you look at reply#3, you would have noticed I was not referring to any evangelists.
   
  But even if they were, then God will sort them out. 

  You sure do like to argue..is there a thread you have joined in here, where you didn't pick an argument with someone?

I'm not picking an argument. I'm making an observation. Not too long ago you accused me of being the reason Bugeye left GBO.
Then, Bugeye reappeared and you two started tryin to double-team me and straighten me out. What was most prominently obvious was your about the only one that always agreed with Bugeye, and you two faithfully backed each other.
Bugeye left AGAIN, not because of me, but because of EVERYBODY saw him as nutbag.
And, both of you constantly condemned others to Hell, saying that certain folks in the news either WERE going to Hell, or deserved going to Hell.
You eluded to that same "consistant habit" of the 5 killed in that night club as dieing with "intentional sin". Now you're tryin to soft pedal what you said.
You don't know those victims. You don't know if they were even homosexual. Your self-righteousness as always kicked in, and you don't want it pointed out so you identified it as argument.

You did it, so you own it. 

This is what every arrogant person says!

[ironglow]

From Dee..my replies in maroon;

  "
I'm not picking an argument. I'm making an observation.Sounds like something Adam Schiff would say


Not too long ago you accused me of being the reason Bugeye left GBO.  I don't recall making such a statement, perhaps you can point it out.
Then, Bugeye reappeared and you two started tryin to double-team me and straighten me out. What was most prominently obvious was your about the only one that always agreed with Bugeye, and you two faithfully backed each other.  Bug and I did agree upon many things, but "double team" is a non sequitur.  There are some here who seem to back the Russian invasion of Ukraine and they have debated the issue with me..but I don't see them as doing any kind of "double team"..

Bugeye left AGAIN, not because of me, but because of EVERYBODY saw him as nutbag.    Yes Bug left again, but I am surprised that you would presume to speak for everybody .

And, both of you constantly condemned others to Hell, saying that certain folks in the news either WERE going to Hell, or deserved going to Hell.  Here is where the hermeneutics comes in..  I don't/can't condemn anyone to hell..God alone does that. I only report what the Bible says.  If you have a problem with that, take it up with God, since He is the author.
 

You eluded to that same "consistant habit" of the 5 killed in that night club as dieing with "intentional sin". Now you're tryin to soft pedal what you said.I didn't allude to any such thing, I spoke plainly. One who continually and habitually participates without repentance in such a sin, is in jeopardy.  If you had only read the scripture I proffered, you would see in vs 28, that God turned them over to their sin..effectively washing His hands of them.
You don't know those victims. You don't know if they were even homosexual. Again..read carefully, I don'tknow them by name and did 9not use any names..so I was only referring to those who were involved in a given sin, no names involved..Your self-righteousness as always kicked in, and you don't want it pointed out so you identified it as argument.
   
 Self-righteousness?  How does that come into play?  I only repeated what God has stated as righteous..so if you think that particular sin is acceptable and proper, show me in the Bible where that is written.

You did it, so you own it.       No, I only posted a news story..you are the one who chose to make a hearty defense of the LGBTQ club attendees..

   If you wish to defend such behavior, you should perhaps consider (Lev 18:22)    22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

  Or perhaps (Lev 20:13)  “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

[Mule 11]

Yes, premeditated murder= intentional sin

What happened to the plank in IG’s eye?

  It sure looks like you and Dee both should start  brushing up on your hermeneutics.

That is what flounder errr TrumpWon originally posted and then edited the post. Not my opinion or statement IG. I think it? Because I don’t know it’s gender and wonder if it does either, actually posted something like “says the plank eye guy”

[Dee]

Don't ya just love it when he breaks your posts down, and gives his red letter answers, sentence by sentence? Its like opening the "red letter edition" of a Bible, but without the truth.

Never owns anything, doesn't remember saying anything, always professes innocence, always willing to teach,  but never learn, and is never wrong. 

Five folks were killed at a queer night club, but no one has indicated that they were queer themselves. Ironglow says they died with "intentional sin"? What a way to go?

He owns it.

[ironglow]

Yes, premeditated murder= intentional sin

What happened to the plank in IG’s eye?

  It sure looks like you and Dee both should start  brushing up on your hermeneutics.

That is what flounder errr TrumpWon originally posted and then edited the post. Not my opinion or statement IG. I think it? Because I don’t know it’s gender and wonder if it does either, actually posted something like “says the plank eye guy”

  Not your statement..then I withdraw mine as 9directed to you.

[ironglow]

Don't ya just love it when he breaks your posts down, and gives his red letter answers, sentence by sentence? Its like opening the "red letter edition" of a Bible, but without the truth.

Never owns anything, doesn't remember saying anything, always professes innocence, always willing to teach,  but never learn, and is never wrong. 

Five folks were killed at a queer night club, but no one has indicated that they were queer themselves. Ironglow says they died with "intentional sin"? What a way to go?

He owns it.

      Of course Dee..it is only normal people who hang out in LGBTQ clubs !

    Moms, Dads and kids..grandma and grandpa too... doesn't everybody know that? 

   Whew!  ... You better go back and have another cup of coffee !

[Dee]

Don't ya just love it when he breaks your posts down, and gives his red letter answers, sentence by sentence? Its like opening the "red letter edition" of a Bible, but without the truth.

Never owns anything, doesn't remember saying anything, always professes innocence, always willing to teach,  but never learn, and is never wrong. 

Five folks were killed at a queer night club, but no one has indicated that they were queer themselves. Ironglow says they died with "intentional sin"? What a way to go?

He owns it.

      Of course Dee..it is only normal people who hang out in LGBTQ clubs !

    Moms, Dads and kids..grandma and grandpa too... doesn't everybody know that? 

   Whew!  ... You better go back and have another cup of coffee !

LOL, I'm having a cup now, watching you squirm around trying to justify "your judgment of" 5 dead people you didn't  know.
Non homosexual folks associate with homosexual folks daily in every way. I don't judge peoples Salvation. Thats you and your sidekick (Bugeye may he never return) forte'.

I think I've made my point here, and will close with: if you were as astute in your comprehension of Biblical scripture "as you think you are", you wouldnt be passin judgment on the dead. Thats your  "intentional sin", and like it or not, "you own it". whew! 

[ironglow]

  "Brush up on your hermeneutics"..I still  stand by that statement Pope Dee !

   I am not wrong just because Pope Dee says so. Only the real Pope can make declarations, ex cathedra.

     If you wish to prove me wrong ..do it through proper exegesis... and I will join you, point by point..

[oldandslow]

Why don't you two take this over to the religion forum and fight it out there?

[Dee]

Why don't you two take this over to the religion forum and fight it out there?

Well ols, this is where I found it, and if you were payin attention you'd a noticed in my last post that I thought I'd made my point.
As to arguing, I wasn't. I was observing. 

[TrumpWon]

Yes, premeditated murder= intentional sin

What happened to the plank in IG’s eye?

Thanks for being my closest follower and calling me out when needed. I revised my post once I realized I was acting no different than the (self) anointed one.

[oldandslow]

Why don't you two take this over to the religion forum and fight it out there?

Well ols, this is where I found it, and if you were payin attention you'd a noticed in my last post that I thought I'd made my point.
As to arguing, I wasn't. I was observing. 

Sorry, I just get tired of religion always popping up in other forums. If I want to discuss religion and I don't, I would be in the religion forum.

[TrumpWon]

 “;D   Of course Dee..it is only normal people who hang out in LGBTQ clubs !       Moms, Dads and kids..grandma and grandpa too... doesn't everybody know that?  ”

I guess not.
The guy who took down the shooter was an Army vet who was there with his wife, daughter and family to watch the drag show. *

* golden opportunity to pontificate on what is and isn’t an acceptable form of entertainment

[Mule 11]

Yes, premeditated murder= intentional sin

What happened to the plank in IG’s eye?

Thanks for being my closest follower and calling me out when needed. I revised my post once I realized I was acting no different than the (self) anointed one.

Have not changed your m.o. I personally detest you and what you stand or should I say get on your knees for. Self anointed? What is your anointment? Again. When were you first introduced into being gay and by who?

[ironglow]

Why don't you two take this over to the religion forum and fight it out there?

  O&S;  Please note..The OP was posted in the "Today's News" forum as NEWS...even including a link to the entire story
  so one could read it for themselves, until it was derailed into a religious discussion.

[Dee]

Why don't you two take this over to the religion forum and fight it out there?

  O&S;  Please note..The OP was posted in the "Today's News" forum as NEWS...even including a link to the entire story
  so one could read it for themselves, until it was derailed into a religious discussion.

What a way to go,.......weighed down with all that intentional sin...

   https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/shooting-colorado-nightclub/2022/11/20/id/1097204/

So you think they were lost?

  What do you think?

    " 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.  (Romans 1:26-28)

And who "derailed it" and turned it into a religious discussion?

Let's see. Title of the thread: What a way to go.......weighed down with all that "intentional sin".
And who was the first to start quoting scripture?

[ironglow]

Nothing like trying to defend the indefensible...

   I suggested that some killed in the LGBTQ club, may well have died in a lost condition.  Almost immediately I was taken to task for assuming most there would have been of the LGBTQ variety..

   Billy suggested as I inferred, that one of "their own" may have done the deed !

  ..But no..the jabber continued, eventually not ruling out that some normal families from the community, may well 
  enjoy their leisure hours at such a club.

  Truth emerges..Billy was correct!  It was "one of their own"...   The killer was "non-binary"..and not referred to as
   Mr. or Mrs. /...but as MX..   

       https://www.fox21news.com/club-q-shooting/alleged-club-q-shooter-identifying-as-non-binary/

[Mule 11]

Also the supposed hero was also one of them and as flounder stated was there with his family? He said everyone there was his family, meaning all the other gay blades.