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...Don't see many of these anymore..
« on: January 07, 2023, 01:17:56 PM »
  Rare...but Henry makes 'em..  The trombone action .22 rifle.

   Buffalo (in the video) claims his wife doesn't like being on camera...but she sure doesn't mind being on target.
  Pretty good shooting from that lady !

   That rifle looks awfully tempting..  Not that I need one, but I may have to spring for one . come spring..

  With a bit of practice, in a mag, it is almost as quick as a 22 magnum semi-auto, but without the jamming concerns.

   ..And unlike a bolt gun, you can keep the sights aligned while pumping in a new round.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnZ_r4wQGJQ
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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2023, 01:20:29 PM »
Rossi makes them too, last I looked.
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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2023, 01:37:53 PM »
Never heard'em called a "trombone action" before. Down here we called'em a pump action, same as Henry does.  :-\
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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2023, 01:47:12 PM »
  just another slang term...  They are usually called a "pump" here too, same as the similar action in a shotgun.

  Rossi made one a few years back, so did Browning, but I think they have both backed away from it.
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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2023, 02:02:04 PM »
I grew up on'em. Bought one of the Rossi pumps when they came out. It was one of those okay rifles.
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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2023, 04:36:08 PM »
That's a Winchester Model 62 clone I believe. The forend is kinda overweight and needs to slim down but otherwise looks to be a dead ringer. I fired one back when I was at most 10 years old I'd think. Belonged to a friend of dad's.

Fell in love with it and have wanted one ever since. I've never owned one tho. Prolly never will.


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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2023, 03:07:00 AM »
  Yes Bill...wasn't that Winchester 62 (firing shorts), the one we saw most often it the carnival/fairs shooting galleries?
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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2023, 05:43:28 AM »
  Yes Bill...wasn't that Winchester 62 (firing shorts), the one we saw most often it the carnival/fairs shooting galleries?
I loved using those little pumps. Get to the fair. Find the Gallery. Spend all my money (which wasn’t much). As I recall they loaded .22 shorts with frangible bullets. No ricochets.
I have not seen frangible .22s for sale in a long time.
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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2023, 07:45:56 AM »
I bought a Henry pump .22 a few years back. Quite the little rifle. I love it!

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2023, 09:23:10 AM »
I read/heard the term trombone (and slide) action fairly often when I was a young teenager and would go down to the local sporting goods/gunstore and enjoyed  "Beans" Gruetts stories.

I am/was surprised how many .22s were made with the slide action over the decades, I remember the Remington 121 and 572 the best
 

In The Beginning

The first pump rifle was made by Colt starting in 1884. The Colt Lightning, designed by former Remington gunsmith William H. Elliott, was meant to compete with Winchester’s lever-action rifles of the time. Colt and Winchester had come to a “gentleman’s agreement” in 1880 — Colt would stick to revolvers and Winchester would stick to repeating rifles. Colt must have considered only lever-action rifles as part of the agreement because they produced various models of pump rifles for at least 20 years.

The first Colt Lightnings were in .44-40 to complement the most popular cartridge in their best-selling 1873 revolver. This became their medium frame rifle. A small frame .22 was first issued in 1887, along with a large frame version in several calibers all the way up to the .50-95 express, designed to take down large North American animals.

John Moses Browning designed a pump-action rifle for Winchester, the Model 1900. The Model 1900 was caliber-specific and available in .22 short, .22 long, .22 long rifle versions. A Model 1906 was introduced as a less expensive version of the rifle and this one was available as a .22 short rifle or one cycling .22 long and .22 long rifle interchangeably. Examples exist of Standard and Expert models introduced in 1908 with a plain, fluted slide grip and a pistol grip stock. These models were all replaced in 1932 with the introduction of the Model 62, which handled all three .22 cartridges interchangeably and remained in production until 1958 — about the time I started dreaming of owning one.

The Heyday

Marlin made a bunch of pump rifles over a spread of years but left the market in the 1930s. Their offerings included Models 18, 20, 25 (all rimfire takedowns) and Models 27, 27 and 29 in centerfire calibers. Marlin’s Model 32 was the first of the hammerless slide action rifles. Chambered in .22 rimfire, it was followed by Models 37 and 38 with different barrel lengths. There were a couple more centerfire models offered in very small quantities.

Mossberg introduced the Model K, .22 caliber with 22″-barrel, tubular magazine, internal hammer and takedown system. It was discontinued in 1931. The Model M was the same as K but with a 24″ octagonal barrel, offered in 1928–1931.

Remington had some early models beginning in 1909 including the Model 12, Model 121, Model 14, Model 14 ˝ and Model 141. All of these were out of production by 1950. Savage built pump rifles from 1903 until 1967 — their rimfire rifles included the Models 1903, 1909, 1911, 25 and 29. The Centerfire version was the Model 170.

A few years back Taurus built a Lightning replica in Brazil which sold under the name Thunderbolt. These rifles got mixed reviews throughout the Cowboy Action Shooting world and were in and out of production for several years.

Looking through the Blue Book of Gun Values there were some other surprises. Israel Military Industries introduced the Timber Wolf Carbine in 1989. Available in .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum, it was offered in blue or hard chrome finish. It is no longer in production, nor is the Browning BBR-22 chambered in .22 LR and .22 Magnum. This rifle was manufactured between 1977 and 1982 while the Browning Trombone Model .22 LR was made by FN between 1922 and 1974 and imported to the U.S. by Browning.



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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2023, 10:57:08 AM »
Yes most all of the rifles in the shooting gallery at carnivals around here at least were Model 62s.


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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2023, 11:57:49 AM »
Browning made a slide action 22/22 mag from '75-'82 ..Don't know why or when they stopped.  Was it because they moved their operation from Belgium to Japan, or did they move long before that ?

  In any case it was a very appealing rifle... even had receiver "hump", somewhat hinting of their famous auto shotgun.

  https://www.collectorsfirearms.com/products/143182-browning-bpr-22-magnum-r27852.html

  ...Rather wish I had picked one up back then..
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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2023, 12:54:17 PM »
This is the slide action I would love to own but I do not have five figure cash nor do I hunt big game, at that this one sold for Ten Thousand four years ago and that is lower than most you find.

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At that, an old Winchester in  .22 WRF  - WOULD - be good for rabbit hunting.

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2023, 02:11:38 PM »
I found out that the Colt slide action rifle was chambered for the .22 long, were there any other Twenty Twos from way back then that were chambered for that round. (It was also chambered for the .22 Short only.)

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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2023, 05:50:44 PM »
Browning made a slide action 22/22 mag from '75-'82 ..Don't know why or when they stopped.  Was it because they moved their operation from Belgium to Japan, or did they move long before that ?

  In any case it was a very appealing rifle... even had receiver "hump", somewhat hinting of their famous auto shotgun.

  https://www.collectorsfirearms.com/products/143182-browning-bpr-22-magnum-r27852.html

  ...Rather wish I had picked one up back then..

I owned one of those in .22 magnum and it was very accurate. Darned if I can recall when or why I let go of it. Sure wish I had it back.


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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2023, 01:48:16 AM »
Browning made a slide action 22/22 mag from '75-'82 ..Don't know why or when they stopped.  Was it because they moved their operation from Belgium to Japan, or did they move long before that ?

  In any case it was a very appealing rifle... even had receiver "hump", somewhat hinting of their famous auto shotgun.

  https://www.collectorsfirearms.com/products/143182-browning-bpr-22-magnum-r27852.html

  ...Rather wish I had picked one up back then..

I owned one of those in .22 magnum and it was very accurate. Darned if I can recall when or why I let go of it. Sure wish I had it back.

   There are some I wish I had back too..  ;) ;D
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Re: ...Don't see many of these anymore..
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2023, 02:06:37 AM »
I pretty much owned every gun I ever wanted to own. They all came and went for one reason or the other. In my younger days I considered many of'em "the perfect gun". Until I owned'em a while.

If I had back all the Model 19 Smiths, and the 2 Colt Pythons I owned, I'd keep one of the  19s wit target hammer, trigger, and recessed chambers, and sell the rest for the ridiculous prices their bringing.

I've got a Marlin Golden 39A that was made in 1959. It about 90% on the bluing, and 70% on the stock finish. There is no way of knowing how many squirrels, and stray cats I've shot with it. It ain't for sale, but I seldom shoot it anymore.

The old "gallery guns" with their intentionally bent sights were sweet, but what would I do with one?
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2023, 03:26:35 AM »
  The Henry pump 22's are their "converted" lever action, they lack good mechanical advantage that a pump needs, they are stiff, clunky and NOTHING like the smooth pumps, like the Remingtons ect...  The 22 LR's do work better than the 22 magnum models.

  I'm a big Henry lever fan but the pumps are terrible and will never be a smooth lever action most buyers are seeking.  Mine was junk, Henry bought it back.

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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2023, 02:09:53 PM »
  Yes Bill...wasn't that Winchester 62 (firing shorts), the one we saw most often it the carnival/fairs shooting galleries?
I loved using those little pumps. Get to the fair. Find the Gallery. Spend all my money (which wasn’t much). As I recall they loaded .22 shorts with frangible bullets. No ricochets.
I have not seen frangible .22s for sale in a long time.

   Last time I used frangible bullets, was on the practice firing range with my tank.  We use the Browning .30 cal MG.
  The silhouette style target was about 50 yards..and we used frangible 30/06 rounds.
    Perhaps we used the frangibles, because the MG was the coaxial mount controlled by the gunner, who used the
  power turret to control the gun.
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