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Gas stoves.
« on: January 11, 2023, 09:03:23 AM »
Now this , but we are electric. Which I don’t believe is better than gas.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/business/gas-stove-ban-federal-agency/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2023, 01:09:17 PM »
I've used both
Gas is way better
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2023, 01:20:24 AM »
 Gas is twice as good for cooking

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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2023, 02:15:53 AM »
wouldnt have another electric stove.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2023, 02:57:12 AM »
When my kids were small I always insisted on gas stoves because the controls are in the front; thus you don't have to reach across potentially hot elements to adjust them.

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2023, 06:06:16 AM »
The queen of the kitchen prefers electric. She says, "My kitchen, my rules and tools". I'm happy for her to be that way as I detest cooking. If it were just me I would probably have one frying pan and one pot instead of a whole cabinet of the things but the stove would still be electric.

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2023, 06:50:25 AM »
Our electric stove works ok, it  has to warm up where gas is Immediate on the burners. I put my CT amp clamp on it .
It was 16 amps fully on, 240VAC using both phases combined.  Oven and burners. Heck the dryer is 12 amps combined ,240VAC.  Central heat and cooling, and its on an outside 60 amp central circuit breaker. When its on , split that up and each phase has a 20 amp breaker. Its that way because it has an emergency heat setting ,heat strips if needed.And its running a compressor and a fan motor at the same time.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2023, 11:55:43 PM »
what they forget is that cord on there electric range is hooked up to a coal fired power plant. You factor in the efficency loss do to heat loss in those boilers at the power plant, cost of shipping coal with diesel powered ships and the power loss transmitting that power over long stretches of wire. Then look at how effiecient propane and natural gas burn. You could leave a burner on in your house 24/7 for a month and never set off a co2 alarm. This is all about destroying the fossil fuel industry not saving the planet. Whats real comical is they want the coal fired plants shut down and in many places replaced by natural gas powered plants but then tell you your stove pollutes to much.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2023, 01:27:31 AM »
  The thing most seem to have missed..

  Doesn't the name Richard Trumpka ring a familiar bell?  Richard Trumpka jr is head of the CSPC, appointed by Biden.

   His dad Richard Trumpka sr, was boss Hogg over at the AFL-CIO.

   https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/bidens-commissioner/

     We all know that the Demonrats and Big Labor have had an incestuous relationship for many decades.

   So why do they seem to join efforts?  Well, the one big leverage the US has, is it's abundant supply of petroleum and natural gas.  This abundance could keep the US on ntop economically, for many generatrions.

     You don't suppose that both the Democrats and the unions, have Marxist leanings, so both would like to break
    the US down economically,... making way for world Communism.   ...Or wouldn't they ?
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2023, 02:59:02 AM »
I you can food, gas is much better.  You can fine tune the burner to hold the pressure cooker to 10 pounds.  Electric varies too much, like from 8 lbs to 12 lbs.  Gas is faster, and it is still cheaper than electric to operate.  Same with a gas water heater over electric.  Either natural gas or propane is cheaper.  Granted, new glass topped electric stoves are easier to clean, but if you are a canner, only a gas stove will do.  Gas is also cheaper to heat with when the temperature goes below freezing.  Strip heat on electric kicks in and costs more. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2023, 04:13:42 AM »
Back when we were young enough to do so we canned a lot of food from our garden every year. It was always done on our electric range without any problem at all.

We have never been guilty of using electricity from a coal fired plant as all of them down here are natural gas powered. The greenies need to wake up and realise electricity isn't provided using fairy dust and isn't 100% pollution free as I have seen in some TV ads.


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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2023, 04:53:37 AM »
but he wants to STOP natural gas production. Then you will nice clean VERY EXPENSIVE electricity. I would guess that if your running ng like it is mostly up here you are buying A LOT of power over the grid like we are thats produced by coal fired plants. What they just did here was shut down a 550 megawatt coal plant that we still needed to buy some power over the grid and replaced it with a 200 mg natural gas plant. THe electrical fairy in the ground isnt making that up. It comes right out of WI and MN large coal plants. Funny thing was that coal plant ( i worked at it for 5 years) was in the only democratic voting county up here. The seat of the county is marquette and they had there own 40 mw plant that ran for decades that they shut down too. What happened? They build the ng plant and with its limited capacity and having to now buy more power the rates went up for most of the UP because that was the hands down biggest plant up here. those little hidden dirty secrets like there still buying coal power is about like biden stopping the oil industry here to save the planet and buying it from the middle east. 
Back when we were young enough to do so we canned a lot of food from our garden every year. It was always done on our electric range without any problem at all.

We have never been guilty of using electricity from a coal fired plant as all of them down here are natural gas powered. The greenies need to wake up and realise electricity isn't provided using fairy dust and isn't 100% pollution free as I have seen in some TV ads.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2023, 06:12:59 AM »
Our power plants around here run on Natural Gas. Not coal. Lea County has a huge NG plant. Two of them i think.
One of them is on 62/180, the other one is out close to a small town called Monument. If you blink an eye you will drive right through it lol.
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2023, 06:46:40 AM »
There are three NG fired plant west of Hobbs and each has it's own gas plant beside it. I haven't been close to Monument in quite a few years but I would bet the plant is still there to the west as is the one west of Hobbs. I used to buzz back and forth thru Monument fairly regularly in my working days as we had a field at Eunice and another on farther south which was included in the Buckeye operating area. I had quite an area to take care of. Buckeye was headquarters, but we also had fields 11 miles northeast of Lovington, one north of Maljamar, another north of Loco Hills, some on both sides of Carlsbad, east of Crossroads, and even south of Carlsbad Caverns for a time. I got a lot of overtime.

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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2023, 07:33:02 AM »
There are three NG fired plant west of Hobbs and each has it's own gas plant beside it. I haven't been close to Monument in quite a few years but I would bet the plant is still there to the west as is the one west of Hobbs. I used to buzz back and forth thru Monument fairly regularly in my working days as we had a field at Eunice and another on farther south which was included in the Buckeye operating area. I had quite an area to take care of. Buckeye was headquarters, but we also had fields 11 miles northeast of Lovington, one north of Maljamar, another north of Loco Hills, some on both sides of Carlsbad, east of Crossroads, and even south of Carlsbad Caverns for a time. I got a lot of overtime.

Been a long time since I came down that way. We were building locations , preparing them for a drilling rig. And possibly a pump jack and some tank battery’s. Another company was building a salt water disposal nearby. Craig enterprises was out there putting in fiber optic cable for a local phone company back then. Our crews were staying in a motel in Hobbs. They were from Texas. We worked for Brown&Root, that was before ENRON screwed the pooch ;D
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2023, 09:49:36 AM »
any idea how many megawatts they produce. does your power company buy power off the grid or do they produce all thats nessisary with ng. Look at what happened to texas because they couldnt produce all they needed. I would have to bet that any untility that claims they get all there generated power from ng buys power off the grid to make up for that fact they dont produce enough. Buy it off the grid and your buying mostly coal produced electricity along with some nuke. Very few ng plants sell excess power to the grid. I know of none. Im not calling you out on this. Its a misconception thats been spread by the same people that are trying to turn us to solar. I worked in the industry for my whole career and its one thing i do have a realistic grasp on. The utility i used to work for produced all our power and a small amount of excess so call us energy independent. Now we buy from WI. We do not make enough to be energy independent. Does all this sound familiar??? Now if something happens who do you think get the power first us or WI?? As Texans what happened. Then we wont even get into the FACT that coal produced electricity is the cheapest you can produce. would you be ok if all the cars in America switched to a fuel that cost more and you had to buy it?? again does this sound familiar????We are shutting down coal fired plants EVERY DAY and arent building anything near the capasity back up to replace them. Think thats not a problem??
Our power plants around here run on Natural Gas. Not coal. Lea County has a huge NG plant. Two of them i think.
One of them is on 62/180, the other one is out close to a small town called Monument. If you blink an eye you will drive right through it lol.
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2023, 10:16:53 AM »

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2023, 10:17:13 AM »
Part and of our power is purchased over in Texas and the plant is NG powered. The rest is produced locally. This is a small Rural co-op that also furnishes the power for the county seat which is a small town. A very small one by most standards. Coal is not  a commodity around here. The closest coal fired plant I know of is in northwestern NM and is now shut down but my area never had any connection to it.

Southwester Electric, the oldest and largest produces 519.2 megawatts. I could find nothing about the other two.

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2023, 12:51:04 PM »
Part and of our power is purchased over in Texas and the plant is NG powered. The rest is produced locally. This is a small Rural co-op that also furnishes the power for the county seat which is a small town. A very small one by most standards. Coal is not  a commodity around here. The closest coal fired plant I know of is in northwestern NM and is now shut down but my area never had any connection to it.

Southwester Electric, the oldest and largest produces 519.2 megawatts. I could find nothing about the other two.

Is that SPS? We see their trucks around here sometimes. And Xcel energy.
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2023, 02:26:55 AM »
how much a kwh are you charged?
Part and of our power is purchased over in Texas and the plant is NG powered. The rest is produced locally. This is a small Rural co-op that also furnishes the power for the county seat which is a small town. A very small one by most standards. Coal is not  a commodity around here. The closest coal fired plant I know of is in northwestern NM and is now shut down but my area never had any connection to it.

Southwester Electric, the oldest and largest produces 519.2 megawatts. I could find nothing about the other two.
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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2023, 02:29:22 AM »
yup it has to be fact and unbiased fact if some think tank at the UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN came up with it. LMAO.  ::)About like timothy leary saying LSD is good for the mind.
What does the University of Michigan say?

https://news.umich.edu/u-m-study-local-renewable-energy-employment-can-fully-replace-u-s-coal-jobs-nationwide/
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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2023, 03:39:37 AM »
They went up a little  this last year but I don't remember just what it is and would have to dig out a bill to see. It is pretty reasonable. November's bill before Christmas lights was slightly less than $59 and that is with two electric water heaters and an electric range. I remember that because I was surprised when my wife told me what it was. It's normally in the low 60's. Two old people don't use a lot of kilowatts.

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2023, 05:37:23 AM »
yup it has to be fact and unbiased fact if some think tank at the UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN came up with it. LMAO.  ::)About like timothy leary saying LSD is good for the mind.
What does the University of Michigan say?

https://news.umich.edu/u-m-study-local-renewable-energy-employment-can-fully-replace-u-s-coal-jobs-nationwide/

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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2023, 06:47:40 AM »
As far as gas ranges go; I found out the hard way IF you get one , decide before you buy it how much range top burner you need.
I/we got a mid-level one with 1 large burner, 1 middle burner and 2 small burners.
If you do a lot of simmering the small ones are nice; they are as useful as teats on a boar for any thing else.

I used to/do see ranges now with the four burners and and some type of grill/burner in the middle, even if you never use the middle one, it is worth the extra money as on our range, if you are using a 12 inch frying pan, you have room for more than only small pans or pots on the rest of the range.  (ALSO, the size of the large burner is far, far more important than one thinks.)

My one grandmother had an old electric range, it was in her basement after they moved to town with four coils AND and built in deep fryer.
I left it in the house when the govt. took the house, (I had no place to put it {or the old totally mechanical control washig machine , I WISH I HAD KEPT})

That range, and I DO NOT like electric ranges, was sweet as you could use the deep fryer AND put a large frying on the stove at the same time,  (It also had a warming oven).

SO, if I could go back twenty years when buying a new range to replace the electric POS, that replaced the gas range that mom and dad used when I was younger, I would spend the money for a better range.  8)

Addendum:
I did some looking awhile, probably twenty years, back and found a site where they refurbish ranges from the fifties and sixties, still totally analog, prices were high, about like buying a new one, but shipping was as much as the range.
I have a trailer that would be perfect for hauling a range, maybe if.....

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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2023, 06:28:26 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrat-led-cities-already-moving-forward-gas-stove-bans-affect-millions

A lot of people who use NG depend on it. Let the ones like AOC in Congress who started this crap freeze to death.
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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2023, 10:59:24 PM »
curious as to what is used to heat the capitol building and the white house. Do they have any gas stoves? There heating a 132 rooms. I wonder how many are empty and not used. How many lights are left on that are unnessisary. But im sure they have another its ok for me but not thy excuse for doing it.
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2023, 04:23:34 AM »
A government concerned about the possibility of contributing to asthma in children and at the same time allowing a full term abortion and wanting a denial of medical aid to newborn children.

Possible health problems on one hand which are preventable and murder on the other hand; hard to understand this conflicting government intervention.

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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2023, 05:44:44 AM »
Yep. The "We are too damn lazy to use birth control so let's just kll the kid" mentality rules today and we are worried about giving asthma to the survivors. What a fubared world we live in today.

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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2023, 09:51:28 AM »
I grew up with gas stoves, and have used them all my adult life.  I have asthma, and had it bad as a kid, because my parents smoked.  After growing up and leaving home, hardly ever had a spell, all the while using gas stoves, logs, furnace, dryer, and water heater, as well as outside grills.  Gas is 95% or more pure methane, a little odorant, and some other gases, like ethane or butane.  When methane burns with oxygen it produces two water molecules and one carbon dioxide molecule.  So twice as much water vapor.  Neither can hurt you.  Most homes are not completely air tight, so oxygen can get in and the carbon dioxide being a very heavy molecule settles to the floor and goes out the door.  Also, you don't burn these things all day long every single day.  This is nothing but a bogus attempt to outlaw natural gas.

Oh, I am not against solar or wind, it is just solar and wind alone cannot solve any electrical needs.  Solar don't work at night.  The wind don't blow all day every day.  You have to have expensive batteries to store any excess production.  Wind is in the plains states.  Most people live on the east and west coast.  Can't transmit the power that far.  Solar is great in the Southwest daytime.  What about night time.  Windmills wear down and start cracking in 20-30 years and have to be replaced.  Solar glass gets etched with dust and debris, or hailstorms.  They slowly lose their effectiveness.  Meanwhile boilers buring coal or natural gas can last decades, so can a nuclear power plant.   
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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2023, 04:20:22 AM »
What does the University of Michigan say?

https://news.umich.edu/u-m-study-local-renewable-energy-employment-can-fully-replace-u-s-coal-jobs-nationwide/

  So, the U of Michigan boasts that many thousands coal miners' jobs will be eradicated..

   How would they feel if university professors' jobs were wiped out ?  May as well get rid of the professors, at least in the 'humanities', since they are teaching nothing but drivel anyway.

  At least the coal miners are producing good coal by the ton...not handing people some clay or shale.. and telling them it is coal..
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