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Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« on: January 16, 2023, 12:14:22 PM »
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New research out of California finds seniors are being treated in emergency rooms in significantly higher numbers for adverse side effects from cannabis consumption.

Researchers from the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) said they studied the issue because they noticed more primary care patients ending up in the ER after using marijuana products.

"While we did expect to see an increase, just given the increase in the use of cannabis by older adults, the sharp increase, especially from 2013 to 2016, did surprise us," said first study author Dr. Benjamin Han, a geriatrician in the Division of Geriatrics, Gerontology and Palliative Care at UCSD's School of Medicine.

While people 65 and up were involved in only 366 cannabis-related ER visits in 2005, that number skyrocketed to 12,167 in 2019. The relative increase was 1,808%.

Older patients taking marijuana or related products may have dizziness and falls, heart palpitations, panic attacks, confusion, anxiety or worsening of underlying lung diseases, such as asthma or COPD, Han said.

One relatively rare condition is cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, where the drug is associated with cyclic vomiting.

Older adults are at higher risk for adverse cannabis reactions, likely due to a combination of greater sensitivity and being unfamiliar with newer forms of the drug, Han said.

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New research out of California finds seniors are being treated in emergency rooms in significantly higher numbers for adverse side effects from cannabis consumption.

Researchers from the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) said they studied the issue because they noticed more primary care patients ending up in the ER after using marijuana products.

"While we did expect to see an increase, just given the increase in the use of cannabis by older adults, the sharp increase, especially from 2013 to 2016, did surprise us," said first study author Dr. Benjamin Han, a geriatrician in the Division of Geriatrics, Gerontology and Palliative Care at UCSD's School of Medicine.

While people 65 and up were involved in only 366 cannabis-related ER visits in 2005, that number skyrocketed to 12,167 in 2019. The relative increase was 1,808%.

Older patients taking marijuana or related products may have dizziness and falls, heart palpitations, panic attacks, confusion, anxiety or worsening of underlying lung diseases, such as asthma or COPD, Han said.

One relatively rare condition is cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, where the drug is associated with cyclic vomiting.

Older adults are at higher risk for adverse cannabis reactions, likely due to a combination of greater sensitivity and being unfamiliar with newer forms of the drug, Han said.


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"Certainly, as we age there are physiological changes that do make us more sensitive to any psychoactive substance, including cannabis or alcohol. But we do also see older people who are not familiar with cannabis and may unintentionally take more than they wanted to," Han explained.

More older Americans are using cannabis since it has been legalized for medical or recreational use in many states. California has had legal medical marijuana since 1996 and legal recreational cannabis since 2016.

Just last week, a study published in the journal JAMA Network Openshowed that 3 out of 10 people said they had tried cannabis to treat their pain, and most of those patients reported that they wound up substituting weed in place of other painkillers.

Older adults typically use cannabis to treat pain or arthritis, sleep problems, anxiety and depression, Han said.

It can be challenging to determine whether a person's symptoms are from the cannabis or if they happened to use cannabis and had these unrelated symptoms, he said.

"Cannabis can cause a range of potential adverse effects, but this is often difficult to determine 'too much' given the range of cannabinoids, dosing, ratios and routes of ingestion," Han said. "We also are still learning about potential harms of cannabis, including its potential negative impact on existing chronic diseases. Cannabis use disorder -- or problematic use -- is also a concern for people who use cannabis regularly."

Researchers said that past work on alcohol use has shown that older adults are more likely to make behavior changes if the behavior is linked to a medical symptom or outcome they don't want. Linking cannabis to these risks may also help change behavior.

It is possible older adults will answer more frankly if asked specific questions, researchers suggested. Providers could then follow up with questions about frequency of use, what a person is using it for and if they know how much of the drug is contained in what they're using.

Providers can then offer patients some guidance.

"It is very important that clinicians ask and talk about cannabis use with their patients in a non-judgmental manner, especially among older populations who are increasingly trying cannabis to treat a range of chronic symptoms," Han said. "That being said, weighing the benefits versus the risks of cannabis for older adults can be challenging for clinicians, given the lack of clinical studies."

The new findings were published Jan. 9 in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society. The U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse provided some of the funding.

Dr. Leigh Vinocur is a spokesperson for the American College of Emergency Physicians, and also has a cannabis consulting practice for both patients and the industry. She said one issue is lack of education about how to use cannabis safely, both for patients and for the physicians treating them, as well as lack of standardization.

The reason for an increase in seniors in California emergency rooms could be that as they age and are experiencing pain and other health issues, they also remember cannabis from the 1960s, but it's not the same, said Vinocur, who was not part of the new study.

Cannabis ingested orally may also counteract with other medications a patient is taking, something that those working at dispensaries may not have the expertise to offer advice, she noted.

"Anything you take orally goes through your liver and we have only so many enzymes at a time to break down what comes into the liver," Vinocur said.

Vinocur offers advice to her patients on how and when to take cannabis in terms of other medications and health issues. She said she has seen it make a significant difference for patients under palliative care when undergoing cancer treatments.

"If patients are under the guidance of a knowledgeable health care clinician, medical cannabis can be absolutely safe for patients," Vinocur said.

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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2023, 01:10:59 PM »
We've been warned for decades..
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2023, 01:48:29 PM »
The toxic stuff they're putting in
dope these days destroys the
human body

This one across the way has had
to get the EMT'S to narcan him a
couple of times because of all the
toxic crap in dope

Hell they're using acids and every
manner of corrosive chemicals and
solvents and such when they manufacture
half this stuff.  These next door to the
west and directly south smoke, and
i can smell a solvent odor along with
the smoke smell when they indulge.
I've seen those south american
farmers pouring acetone and some
kind of acid on the dope they were
processing.
Oh well
All you can do is tell em
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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2023, 03:02:21 PM »
As I was told straight to my face when I had misery for one of my actions: Stupidy has just rewards , whether you are 19 or 89.

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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2023, 11:33:09 PM »
ive been preaching the fact that pot is not a medicine and it does more harm then good for years on here. It should NEVER have been legalized to add to the dopped up society we have already. Drunks kill thousands on the road every month and what do we do? Give them a new legal way to be higher then a kite driving down the road. Then by legalizing it your basicaly telling ever 12-17 year old kid in america its harmless heck even make gummie bears. Even a warning on a pack of cigarettes that it could cause cancer because of tar and nicotine but pot is probably harder on your lungs and have you seen a warning on a bag of dope at the pot store. Its just part of the liberal hippy take over of this country. They want you to be sitting in your chair with a bag of doritos drawling on yourself while they take control of the country.
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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2023, 11:40:02 PM »
yup but a lb of burger it has to be inspected. FIll your prescription with a REAL drug and its been tested for years to prove it works and what the side effects are. Then they come out with prescription pot and theres absolutely no inspections. It could have been grown with human crap to fertilize it. could be laced with meth or sprayed with nasty insecticides and nobody seems to care. Pick up your prescription at the pharmacy and a pharmacists with 6 years of schooling insures your getting the right thing. Go to the pot store? Some log hair stoner that probably hasnt taken a bath in 4 days that tells you this is some righteous bud and when you say ill take a bag says far out. Probably a high school drop out that now drives a bmw.     
The toxic stuff they're putting in
dope these days destroys the
human body

This one across the way has had
to get the EMT'S to narcan him a
couple of times because of all the
toxic crap in dope

Hell they're using acids and every
manner of corrosive chemicals and
solvents and such when they manufacture
half this stuff.  These next door to the
west and directly south smoke, and
i can smell a solvent odor along with
the smoke smell when they indulge.
I've seen those south american
farmers pouring acetone and some
kind of acid on the dope they were
processing.
Oh well
All you can do is tell em
blue lives matter

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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2023, 02:22:05 AM »
I agree. Smoking marijuana would be bad for your lungs. So instead of smoking to get high, move to Colorado where you can now "eat" hallucinogenic mushrooms and take a real trip


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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2023, 02:40:27 AM »
  ..Or carry a ball pein hammer around with you...and give your head a tap or two...every now and then..
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2023, 04:31:56 AM »
I agree. Smoking marijuana would be bad for your lungs. So instead of smoking to get high, move to Colorado where you can now "eat" hallucinogenic mushrooms and take a real trip


PROBLEM SOLVED! 8)

No need for you Texas residents to go all the way to Colorado. You can just mosey over to NM and get editable or smokable MJ products legally. With a county wide population of around 75,000 Hobbs is the fifth largest seller of the MJ products in the state. How is this possible unless every resident in the county is a pothead? Easy, it's only five miles from Texas and there are good highways leading to all the large Texas towns fairly close by.

I know a couple of people that suffer from migraine headaches. Both have used medical MJ for several years to control them and it does an excellent job. Two or three puffs and the headache stops. I am not going by what they have told me as I have actually watched it in action with them. I am not condoning it's recreational use as people are dangerous enough without substance help of any kind.

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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2023, 07:27:42 AM »
  It is legal here...but sellers are hard to find here in the north part of the county.  However, go south 20 miles to the
   reservation, and it seems every other house has a "green cross" sign out.

   Now, we know no matter how hard they may try (if they do), the Indians can't begin to smoke that much, so where is it going? It must be going out into this end of the state, and we have to drive on the same roads as the smokers,. ...And likely in some cases..we have to feed their kids, and often pay their rent as well as other bills..
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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2023, 10:29:13 AM »
 This is hearsay but apparently even dinky little Tatum, pop. around 800, NM has a pot shop. It sits on US 380 and a lot of Lubbockites from Texas travel this road back and forth to Ruidoso, NM. I would have expected more shop but maybe they just stock up in Ruidoso.

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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2023, 12:37:51 PM »
I agree. Smoking marijuana would be bad for your lungs. So instead of smoking to get high, move to Colorado where you can now "eat" hallucinogenic mushrooms and take a real trip


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Dee, if you move to Colorado from most locations, you will be higher without taking a toke. ;D
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2023, 02:00:56 PM »
Probably posted this before, but
I'll post it again
Personally, I don't care if a responsible
adult sits in the safety and sanctity
of their own house and smokes or
drinks or whatever.
My objection is when they're out and
about and running around impaired
and able and likely to do harm to myself
and my property and that of my
friends and loved ones, and any other
innocent party. 
Had a truck totalled from underneath
me by a stoner, nearly killed when a
high coworker ran a vehicle through
the wall of the office I was in at the
time. Friends and loved ones also
with similar experiences. 
Stay in your own home and do whatever
you want
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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2023, 02:05:35 PM »
Fear mongering with a hint of truth.  The marijuana products currently being sold are volumes above what many older generations may have dealt with in their youth and inexperienced users are taking way too much for their first time so adverse affects are to be expected.  In my youth, I smoked it, though had to give it up when I joined the service, but I can tell you it is not in the same league, any current recreational user can tell you that.

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Re: Increase in ER Visits by Older Adults Due to Marijuana
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2023, 02:11:34 PM »
I agree. Smoking marijuana would be bad for your lungs. So instead of smoking to get high, move to Colorado where you can now "eat" hallucinogenic mushrooms and take a real trip


PROBLEM SOLVED! 8)


Dee, if you move to Colorado from most locations, you will be higher without taking a toke. ;D

I'm already at 3200 feet. Don't wanna be much higher than that.  8)
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2023, 03:51:31 AM »
Oh, 4,000 is fine. It's just a few feet lower than that at my house and Tatum is an even 4,000. If I feel a need for denser air I can run down to Hobbs which is only 3,600. The caprock drops off in a hurry on the south end.

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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2023, 07:31:03 AM »
Even though most of the  stuff I tried, other peoples money , not mine, was not much more than ditch weed till a bit later, (you smoked a lot to get a buzz), I never liked the stuff, and the last times with stronger stuff, way back in the early eighties, made me decide I did not want to ever do it again.

I did NOT like the buzz, it gave me headaches after smoking ( which is also why I quit cigarettes) .

Eating heavily laced brownies which really got me totally stoned, was the final straw and that was forty years ago.


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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2023, 04:18:10 PM »
From what I’ve read, today’s pot is NOT the pot from years past. Smoked my share as a kid, wouldn’t touch anything out there today. Crazy crap mixed in with so much of it. Glad I got to see those days behind me. Wasted a lot of time and brain cells.

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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2023, 01:08:32 AM »
only have probably 10-20 years left if im lucky. Id rather experinence them then live them high  or drunk.
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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2023, 01:17:55 AM »
Even though most of the  stuff I tried, other peoples money , not mine, was not much more than ditch weed till a bit later, (you smoked a lot to get a buzz), I never liked the stuff, and the last times with stronger stuff, way back in the early eighties, made me decide I did not want to ever do it again.

I did NOT like the buzz, it gave me headaches after smoking ( which is also why I quit cigarettes) .

Eating heavily laced brownies which really got me totally stoned, was the final straw and that was forty years ago.

LMAO!!!  Well, now I understand why some things that didn't make sense, now do.  ;D
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2023, 04:28:10 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2023, 05:43:02 AM »
Never did like pot anyway, girlfriend wife now, in High School didn't either. Turns you into a cotton head. Didn’t like the  bell bottom jeans  at all. We were kind of like outcast. But she was a cheer leader and i was a jock. We stayed in contact the entire time i was in the Air Force, she went to collage.Wrote letters back in those days. No cell phones back then.

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