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Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« on: January 28, 2023, 09:39:14 AM »
  Personally, I have a "thing" for single shot rifles ...  I have collected several deer with a SS shotgun (H&R) and single shot .44 mag..and have a CVA Scout in .44 mag.
   I guess that started with my first single shot Winchester .22, that I bought with "haying money". I also Have some centerfire SS rifles too, although my H&R rifles are down to a single Versa Pak.

   Then there is the challenge of "one shot, one kill"..yes, while hunting wild game also..which always appealed to me.

     This rifle looks weird, but apparently is of current- production.. Just take a look and tell me what you think.

     https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting/rifles/pedersoli-black-widow-Single-shot-break-action-in-22-long-caliber/
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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2023, 11:20:35 AM »
Nice. Not much different than the Chiappa Little Badger. Not sure how the price compares. I have two of the little badgers one in .22 LR and one in .22 MRF. I often enjoy taking them to the range to play. Like you, I like single shots also; put scopes on mine.

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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2023, 12:24:23 PM »
  What I was thinking too..  Reminded me of the Chiappa..  Sadly, It looks like there is little or no provision for a scope.
  But then, they seem to be selling it as a survival type rifle, which often has iron sights.

  I have scopes on most of my guns, for the usual reason, but am about to order a Marbles Bullseye sight for my treasured little Winchester model 67A, so I don't have to tap it for a scope mount.

   https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1828132532

  I had such a sight on my old Stevens 66B Buckeye rifle a couple years ago, and it worked great..until I lost it..

    I find I can use a peep sight well, since I can see the font sight well, and the rear peep is supposed to go fuzzy anyway.
  With that peep at 50 yards, shooting at the gun club, I could easily bust a clay pigeon at 50 yards, then pick off the remaining pieces, one-by-one.
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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2023, 04:25:28 PM »
That is one butt ugly rifle. They'd have to pay me to let that thing come home with me and even then I'd take it only if it was OK for me to sell it or trade it assuming I could find someone who'd take it.



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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2023, 04:35:00 PM »
At $350 or so, that is one overpriced single shot .22.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2023, 05:47:57 PM »
At $350 or so, that is one overpriced single shot .22.

   I realize that rifle is "different", but much depends upon the rifle.  Consider the value of a Ruger #1, a Browning or Winchester high wall, or even a Henry  all single shot..and caliber makes little or no difference.

  Of course, in Britain they have something called a "Rook" rifle, normally a single shot, not currently in production, but nice collector pieces from what I understand.  Low powered single shots..often made by quality makers, such as Holland & Holland..
     https://www.grayssportingjournal.com/rooked/
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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2023, 11:30:58 PM »
that should be in the dictionary next to the word UGLY
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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2023, 11:58:02 PM »
At $350 or so, that is one overpriced single shot .22.

   I realize that rifle is "different", but much depends upon the rifle.  Consider the value of a Ruger #1, a Browning or Winchester high wall, or even a Henry  all single shot..and caliber makes little or no difference.

  Of course, in Britain they have something called a "Rook" rifle, normally a single shot, not currently in production, but nice collector pieces from what I understand.  Low powered single shots..often made by quality makers, such as Holland & Holland..
     https://www.grayssportingjournal.com/rooked/

The Rook Rifle does look much like the Little Badger with the wood stock. In terms of "graceful appearance," the Black Widow is in the same class as the Little Badger with the wire stock (imho).
I'm still wondering what 349 euros converts to in dollars. Not familiar with that conversation rate.

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2023, 12:12:55 AM »
I understand what*- you guys mean by 'ugly'.  ..But if you look at the rifle closely, what made it ugly, was the
   'dinking around' they did with the stock, the action looks quite conventional.
 
      That forestock that lays atop the barrel, somewhat like the old 30 cal. carbine, would have to go. Then give it a
   nice, conventional, wood stock...like the Savage minimalist has, and add a set of sights such as those on the TCR22,
    and it could look as good over the fireplace as it would beside a fellow in his truck.

    see sights..   https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/07/02/review-thompson-center-tcr22/

      Scope?  Yes, the action is small to mount a scope, but a cantilever such as the one used on the little Browning
      auto .22 rifle , mounted in reverse, would work.

      .. Sounds like a lot of "jury rigging", but not really..for the most part it is just a stock/sights swap.

  Not for everybody..but for the single shot afficionado...
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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2023, 12:22:52 AM »
Or put the scope on the barrel like a Little Badger.

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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2023, 12:28:11 AM »
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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2023, 03:37:35 AM »
  Butt ugly for sure, but it reminds me of a Contender with a butt stock.

  One Euro is worth a little more than one dollar.

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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2023, 08:26:18 AM »
At $350 or so, that is one overpriced single shot .22.

   I realize that rifle is "different", but much depends upon the rifle.  Consider the value of a Ruger #1, a Browning or Winchester high wall, or even a Henry  all single shot..and caliber makes little or no difference.

  Of course, in Britain they have something called a "Rook" rifle, normally a single shot, not currently in production, but nice collector pieces from what I understand.  Low powered single shots..often made by quality makers, such as Holland & Holland..
     https://www.grayssportingjournal.com/rooked/



That's like comparing a Volkswagen beetle to a Porsche.  Yep, they're both German cars, but that's where the similarities end.
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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2023, 09:06:08 AM »
  Actually, the Volkswagen was a Porsche!  It was designed by Dr Ferdinand Porsche in the early 1930s, at Hitler's "request".
    The Volkswagen, or people's car (pronounced Folksvagen) did not start production until 1938; and then it was mostly the WW2 German "jeep", or kubelvagen or the amphibious version called the schwimvagen.
 
    Actually, the first Porsche sports car, the 356, was basically a hot rod beetle.  Porsche engineering gmbh, actually
     produced many things for the Nazi war effort, not the least of which, was the early version of the "Tiger" tank, the later ones being built by Henschel.
    Back when I lived in Germany, I had a 1950 VW ex police car..one of those "split window" models.

  The Porsche engineering institute still operates in Stuttgart.  They will under research, engineering problems of other firms all over the world, and usually solve them..for a price.

  I drove beetles for many  years, then bought a rabbit and a rabbit pickup...I also had a VW Thing.  I liked them all,
  but my heart is still with the beetle..
 
 
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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2023, 09:32:55 AM »
Yeah, I knew you would go there.  You're probably the only one that would equate the two.  Ok, here's an analogy I don't think you can nit pick.  How about like a Yugo and a Porsche.  Both are eastern European cars.  That would be more like your comparison of the rifles.
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2023, 09:42:23 AM »
Yeah, I knew you would go there.  You're probably the only one that would equate the two.  Ok, here's an analogy I don't think you can nit pick.  How about like a Yugo and a Porsche.  Both are eastern European cars.  That would be more like your comparison of the rifles.
  LOL..  No intention by me to be rude, but I have spent man hours teaching in diversified fields..and am inclined to 
 "lecture", where it is not needed and often not appreciated..sorry.

  Yes, the Yugo/Porsche is likely a more apt comparison.

  Sorry if I go on..but sometimes I feel driven to comment.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2023, 10:41:00 AM »
No problem.  Didn't mean to sound like an ass.
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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2023, 02:12:29 PM »
yep. that gun is butt ugly, as in orangutan butt.  Buttstock, handguard,  and forearm would have to go, and the receiver reshaped to have a chance at looking acceptable.

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Re: Now..this is a "different looking" .22 rifle.
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2023, 04:13:23 PM »
That's like comparing a Volkswagen beetle to a Porsche.  Yep, they're both German cars, but that's where the similarities end.
Just to rub salt into a wound  ;D the Porsche flat six was based on the original VW flat four, plus at that, there was from 1965-1969 a Porsce 912 which used a hotted up version of the VW flat four. 8)


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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2023, 04:42:56 PM »
Yeah, but is anyone going to confuse the two?  Kind of like saying the Vega and the Corvette are the same.
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2023, 04:00:58 AM »
   Actually..now don't laugh..I also talked to German mechanics.. Of cour*se, that was back in the 1960s..

  There is no difference in the quality of workmanship b8etween the b8eetle and the Porsche 356 or 911.

      However, you get more features, and with the Porsche 911 a couple extra cylinders, seats leather rather than cloth.
  maybe a more capable Blaupunkt or Grundig radio, and higher rated tires.

  It was the 1950s and 1960s workmanship..panel alignments, paint finish one looked into rather than onto etc, that brought on the sudden rise of the beetle in the US back then.

   I worked with a local US car dealer in the 1950s, and one had to be there to see the sloppy work coming out of
  Detroit at the time! Over time, we got some beetles in for service, and it was then that I decided I would go with a
   beetle as soon as I could do so.... which I soon did.

 It may have been an over statement at the time, but I recall Tom McCahill, the auto writer for Popular Mechanics of the 1950s, calling the beetle, "a watch bob Rolls Royce".

  That may have been simply a reaction to the sad work coming from our own manufacturers.

    You may not agree in the least...but I worked on those cars coming fresh out of Detroit. For one thing, we were allowed 4 hours to "prep" a car once it arrived at the dealers.
  Too often the 4 hours were up, and we were still aligning body panels  struggling to get the doors, trunk, hood etc.
  in fairly good alignment.

  Most egregious were the "4 door hardtops" of the time.  Most often we just has to "split the difference".

  Under the hood, on face of the firewall..it was clear, the builders had taken gobs of that old, heavy black mastic in their gloves and just smeared it around the wires, cables etc, where they came through the firewall.

  After the sales of German and Japanese cars, *showing more careful assembly started cutting heavily into the
   market..that Detroit started to clean up it's act.

  OK..cuss me out and hurl your brick bats..but I was there..seen that, done that.
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2023, 04:03:51 AM »
  ..Sorry for the rabbit trail..  I guess we can get back to single shot rifles.  after I take some well earned abuse.  ;) ;D
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