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2023 Garden Plans
« on: February 08, 2023, 03:30:35 PM »
Started planning out our garden and planning it out. This year we're focused mainly on tomatoes, black eye peas, yellow and butternut squash and beets. Tried growing eggplant and that was a bust, we have tried pole and bush green beans with limited results.

Anyone else planning on a vegetable garden this year and if so what do you plan on growing?
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2023, 04:45:01 PM »
Be growing the usual tomatoes and
peppers and cilantro for sure if I
can find what I want. I have some of the
yard long green beans saved over, so
I'll give some space to them since they
need very little care. Probably won't try
any more okra. If I find some inexpensive
some kind of vegetable, I might plant
that in the okra/squash spot. I'm
mainly going to try to concentrate on
the tomatoes. Store bought tomatoes
are so much crap compared to
tomatoes raised by yourself. If you
raise any and appreciate a good tomato
you'll know exactly what I mean.
I don't think I'll try any bell peppers at
all. They just haven't payed their way
the last few years. I had some decent
banana peppers for a year or two, but
they have to be babied so much until
they're established. Good flavor though.
Had some jalapenos make that I guess
got mixed in at the packaging place.
I hope everyone gets some good quality
seed this go around. I have no proof at
all, but my suspicion is that the seed
companies are diddling with the consumer
grade seed, or all their genetic experimenting
has messed up the seed quality. Years ago
I could go up to this nursery that used to
be up the road, and buy a few dollars worth
of seed that they scooped into little brown
paper sacks, and grow as many vegetables
as I wanted to eat and put up.
My squash planting was poking a hole with a
spoon or a screwdriver, and dropping a seed
or two in. I would have all the squash I
wanted.  We'll see what happens

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Re: 2023 Garden Plans
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2023, 05:15:17 PM »
Well, the planning is done by the missus, but I have a job to do pretty soon.  We had a little, cheapo, 10x12 greenhouse up last year, that we managed to hold together for the year.  However, I rounded up a few damaged trampoline frames that I will be reworking into a greenhouse framework.  That will about double what we had last year.
I'm sure there'll be ragular and cherry tomatoes, and probably two squash varieties.  We had decent luck with a single green pepper plant, but I don't eat those. Failed miserably with a melon variety. Developed terribly small, about the size of a tennis ball. (Maybe a genetic trait?)  Tried sweet potatoes, but they didn't develop anything.  Maybe got them planted too late.
Either way, I'll have to get that frame built up so I can get the translucent tarp ordered for it.

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Re: 2023 Garden Plans
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2023, 05:34:19 PM »
Tomatoes with jalapenos, okra, green onions, and maybe yellow squash.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2023, 10:15:24 AM »
Putting two in again one up North and one down South.
Potatoes and Corn down South, with squash and what ever else my hits my fancy.

Onions, carrots, brocolli, chiles, tomatoes , corn and potatoes up North plus what ever may strike my fancy.

Corn seed is all bought, but I am considering starting some onions and or tomatoes indoors one of those seed starting jobbers I bought from Gurneys thirty years ago and have not used in the past 27.
So I need some onion and tomato seeds, if I do.
I have two weeks to really decide if I will do so, depending on how late spring is up here this yer.
Earliest I have ever gotten a successful garden in was late March, latest second week in June.

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Re: 2023 Garden Plans
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2023, 12:08:15 PM »
Bob, when you say north and south gardens, how many miles are these apart?


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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2023, 01:33:17 PM »
55 miles.

Soil and climate differ greatly.

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2023, 04:51:12 PM »
That's a long way to be traveling to tend to the garden. Hope you have a regular reason other than tending to garden to travel that far.

These days I have a hard time just going out to the yard to tend to what I have.


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Re: 2023 Garden Plans
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2023, 03:38:26 PM »
This chilly dampness has had me
messed up. I'm glad I was able to
take advantage of the few warm
sunny days we had and clean up
the dried up stalks and pull the
tomato cages and such.
If it warms up soon I'll need to
get the soil cleaned up and put
the initial dose of fertilizer down
before the next moisture
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Re: 2023 Garden Plans
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2023, 09:12:32 AM »
Cleaned out all of the raised beds and finally got our red onion slips planted today. I figure on planting beets and english peas and waiting a few weeks on planting everything else.
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Re: 2023 Garden Plans
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2023, 06:27:34 AM »
We still have about a foot or so of snow on the ground here in S.E. MN so our plans for a garden are kind of in hibernation.
Missus wants to start some seeds this weekend, so that might be a sign of what we are going to grow this year once we start them. We don't usually plant outside most things until Memorial day or so. Except maybe taters, radishes & onions. Lost a bunch to frost back years ago & so since then we wait a few more weeks than a lot of folks up here to prevent the loss of anything we took so much time into growing inside.
Besides, going out to cover up the plants is kind of a pain in the patoot, so I just as so just plant later than early.

We usually plant tomato, green bush beans, cukes, green & Anaheim peppers on a regular basis for the last 40+ years, sometimes onions & potatoes, and then we add in hot peppers, zucchini, kohlrabi and some other veggies, but just a few of them compared to the main veggies that we grow.

Most of what we grow we can up in some form or another. We sometimes give away to those who don't have gardens, or we'll trade with others for something they grew that we did not grow.

I like to garden & but I do Not like to weed. So I put newspapers down when I plant, cut an X in the middle for the plant and take dirt from where I dig out & spread it on the newspaper to hold the paper down, and then water the plants and paper. Keeps the weeds down except for around the plants & works great to keep any weeds from growing except next to the plants where it is easier to get the weeds out.
I do the same for the row plants between the rows, and then only have to weed between the plants in the row.

My gardens are 12"x4' raised beds about 3 foot high(5 of them) or small 10x10' or 4x16' garden beds raised up about 5" from the surrounding lawn to make for easy mowing, so it is not a lot, but we grow enough for the missus & I with a small surplus to give away or trade.
Some day gonna raise up them all to 3' high because as I get older, Gravity gets stronger & the ground gets further away & I don't like to bend over to weed or kneel down to weed anymore. I have to bring something along to help me get up after kneeling to weed since my knees are so bad & plus the back isn't all that good any more either. "Rode hard & Put away wet" too many times over the years it seems & I am paying for it, if ya know what I mean.  ;)

  I have always liked playing around in the dirt since I was a kid. Maybe it is the kid in me that keeps me doing it. Haha
But I will garden til I can't any more.

Nothing like fresh veggies ya raised yourself, or canned yourself. Or, what someone else raised in their yard rather than store bought stuff.
Store bought stuff is crap to me.

Yep... I like to garden.

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Re: 2023 Garden Plans
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2023, 07:32:51 AM »
. . . got our red onion slips planted today.

I haven't planted any onions for a while
because it was more economical to buy
in this area.  But I probably should have
went ahead and made a provision for a
few since prices on food and everything
else has been so iffy for a while.
I've already put everything down except
for the yard-long beans,  but I won't today
since I'm already worn out from moving
downed limbs since daylight this AM.
I got lucky and caught the brush trucks
just in time.  I was surprised that one of
the workers actually got out and helped
me with the bigger logs
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2023, 04:04:32 PM »
JB:
I am in mid-Minn. with two gardens , one in the St. Cloud area and another 55 miles South of there.

Right now my North garden is under well over two feet of snow, while the South garden last time I was there was under a little over a foot.
The one up North is where snow gets blown when I blow snow so it get far more than nature sends up that way.

The South one can/could be done earlier than the North but both usually get done within a week of each other.
I have not started seeds indoors for twenty years, tho I still have the gear to do it, so with  exceptions , I plant from early May to the 1st week in June depending on weather. (One Grand Father planted potatoes on May Day weather permitting.)

Back in the nineties and oughts when we had some early , early warm  springs, I had corn in the ground by April and managed to grow some very long term to dent South American, dent corn. (I grow it for my enjoyment; of the varieties of OP corn, dent, flour or sweet in packets, I have succesfully grown at least 90 percent)

I had a bad knee from landscaping while wearing shorts when I used to knee on class 2 granite while screeding. It had gotten bad enough that when I got out of a chair I looked like Tim Conway's old man; so after twenty years I finally went to see a specialist, at my regular doctors advice.
The Orthopedist spent about twenty minute twisting and rubbing my knee during which time he managed to get back to close to where it was 20 years earlier.
Took a little effort on my part and secondary visits for other leg and ankle annoyances but now it is absolutely the best it has been in twenty years.

The North garden gets radishes, squash, chiles, tomatoes, onions, potatoes and usually sweet corn, plus any odd ball veggie. that I might hanker for any given year.
The South one gets Potatoes, Corn and Squash occasionally an odd ball veggie.

I put the leaf mulch from 12 to 16 inches deep over the potatoes (comes from covering my rose gardens in winter)  so they stay moist and mostly weed free, but the extreme drought we had in mid-Minn. last year put a crimp on the South garden even with the mulch.
Stinkin turkeys killed half of the corn plots and automobile problems did not let me get down there often enough so the lack of water made a mockery of the corn.

I have been digging potatoes for fifty plus years and this was the first time, I plant deep 8 to 10 or more inches, that I was digging potatoes ten inches down out of dry ground.
Normally you prefer drier ground for digging potatoes but the ground was so hard, I watered it to make digging easier.

Looking, on-line , at long distance weather forecasts, I do not think I will be putting any thing 8) in the ground early this year, with the possible exception of potatoes.
I used to use hay/straw bales in the Corn rows to control weeds, the hay mow is empty, so when my car finally is ready again, I will have to drive to a farm and get a trailer load or two of bales, as I did not enjoy spending 4 hours on my hands and knees pulling weeds. 8)
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2023, 04:04:09 PM »
Bob,

   The missus & I planted our first round of seeds today. 4 varieties of tomatoes, 3-4 varieties of peppers, 3 varieties of cucumbers, 1 of zucchini ( Summer) squash, and I think that was it for today.
We put them on a table by a window and will wait about 7-10 days to see what comes up. A couple of the peppers & tomatoes were from seeds that we kept from last year, but are not sure if they will come up or not.

We will repeat after those 7-10 days and add in any other veggies we might plant that are not planted directly in the ground like bush-type green beans, onions & potatoes, etc..

My knee & back issues have to deal with arthritis & wear & tear from construction work over the years and are only likely to get any better would be with surgery, so I don't think any therapy other than post operative stuff would do me much good. I wish it were as easy as some massage therapy or the like. I will just have to continue to have something around like a rake or hoe to help me get back up if/when I do have to get down close to the ground. Part of getting older , I reckon.

Like you, I think this will be another year that we plant later like we usually do, planting around Memorial day outside for most of our garden stuff. Hate to lose all the TLC put into getting plants started to have them frosted & killed or injured. "Better safe than sorry", as is said.

Anyway, that is our current situation.

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2023, 12:36:51 PM »
Yall folks that are stiff limbed
like I often get need to use raised
beds or big pots.
If I absolutely have to kneel, I
have knee pads I'll put on, or I'll
get stuck on the ground sometimes.
I've learned to have a shovel or
a hoe with me before I get on the
ground so I can use it for leverage
if I have trouble getting back up.
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2023, 03:55:20 PM »
Same here Ranger99,

Getting down isn't a problem but getting back up is a challenge at times depending on how long I stay on my knees. I use knee pads for changing oil in our vehicles and working in the garden. Switched completely over to raised beds a couple of years ago along with big containers.
On the flip side I prefer sitting on the floor when reading or watching TV leaning against my recliner in the evenings and have done so for decades. There will come a day when I'll be sitting in that recliner instead of leaning against it but I'm too stubborn to give it up just yet and surrender.

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Re: 2023 Garden Plans
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2023, 05:22:12 PM »
English peas and beets are up and the onions are looking good. Next week or two we'll finish up with planting black eye peas and squash followed with tomatoes when they are available.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2023, 06:47:08 AM »
Most of our seedlings planted last Sunday a week ago are up.
Going to start running a grow light because it is still pretty chilly & snowy here in MN.
Likely get another batch going sometime this next weekend to have extra ones in case of some of these having growing issues.

Looking forward to the Spring here.

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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2023, 01:35:52 PM »
If I am going to start some onions in the basement, with grow lights, I will have to start within a week or so but after checking the 30 day forecast compared to the ten day forecast; the 30 day is about 15 to 20 degrees warmer than the 10 day , same days.

My South garden has Black Gumbo so it stays globby longer than my North garden's sandy clay, but my South garden probably, now has a little over a foot of snow on it, while up North there is 2 to 3 feet of snow due it being where snow has to be blown when clearing side walks and parking.

As was said earlier, probaly late spring planting but at least soil will not be to dry; now how dry wil the summmer be is my main concern.
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2023, 09:08:13 AM »
Well -- today is the last day of Winter, next week all days are above freezing.
As many feet of snow as are over my North garden , due to locactio betweem a fence and the house, that area is kind of a warmer micro climate, and the snow will go away at bit accelerated pace.
I was told the South garden was hit with rain two days ago, so that will be bare comparatively early this year, although very wet for quite a bit.

I still may buy some onion seeds of varieties that you cannot get plants for.
I have directily seeded onion seed in the garden in years way past, and got fairly good sized onions but if I do, I will still start them in the mini green-house rigamajig.

May, may also get some tomato or and chile seeds as the volunteers I get from last years tomatoes that  dropped and were let to rot by nature, have always given me tomatoes.
It has been twenty years since I hand seeded any of the above. :-[

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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2023, 03:02:39 PM »
Well we've had some cold again
this year after I already had some
seed down.  The cilantro is coming
up, and it doesn't look hurt, but we
shall see
Can't say for those that spent $4.00 +
each for started plants in this area.
I can only say that I hope they had
them covered.
Must  be a bunch of local people trying
to garden this year because the vegetable
seeds sold out a couple of weeks ago.
Lotta flower seeds and plants still sitting
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2023, 03:08:03 PM »
Planted our tomato plants today and going with celebrity, early girl and porter this year. Still trying to find a sweet 100 for the boss lady, cherry tomatoes are really good and keep making fruit when all the others have slowed with the heat.
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2023, 06:43:40 PM »
I'd forgotten about having some
squash seed I'd saved this last year
so I "planted " most of those since
it didn't really cost anything $$ wise.
( poked a hole with a billdukey and
dropped seeds in the crack)
Got a rain about dark, so we'll see
what happens

I'd salvaged some burr oak acorns
with the intent of planting those,
so I  did in some makeshift pots
and didn't think about varmints.
A dang big squirrel with half a
tail dug most of em out and got
my sack of leftovers before I could
do anything. I salvaged a couple
of them and rigged a wire cage
over the refugees. Have a couple
of 110's set up to greet short tail
fat butt if he comes too close again
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2023, 03:48:47 PM »
The boss lady finally found a sweet 100 cherry tomato plant its planted now. Went ahead and planted the yellow and butternut squash seeds and blackeye pea seeds as well. Still have one raised bed to clean up/out to plant more blackeye peas in.
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2023, 04:53:04 PM »
Well doodley doo
Most of the salvaged squash seeds
sprouted and are about 2" high.
Funny how seeds that weren't bought
jump right out of the ground.
We'll see what happens

Have some tomatoes up from the
store bought seed, but not as
much germination.   ??? Hmmmmmm


Cilantro is up and on it's way.
Of course, you have to try and
screw it up
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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2023, 02:01:47 PM »
This should be the last day of winter weather, i.e. daylight freezing weather.
Next week highs are forecast in the 70s so the snow, which is still multi-feet deep in my North Garden and when I got home about ten days ago, far deeper in my South Garden than I expected.

Either way ,seventies should bring it to black soil quicker than expected, although at least one day is rain showers and I cannot plant or even till the garden till it is comaparatively dry.
Down South, last fall I thought I would need more leaves for my rose garden so I let my neighbor dump his lawn leaves and clippings on my garden.

WELL, I did not need them and now I have to move them, and find a plance to put them so the garden soil warms up and dries out .
The soil is Black Gumbo and I cannot simply roto-till them in as my Dad did that once, and I learned the hard way twice, all you do is get is a near worthless globby mess that is not fit for planting much.
If you walk on it, it turns into black hard top crap when it starts to dry out weeks later.

So I have a lot of work to do before I can even think of planting; I have one good thing tho, at both gardens this year, if I need mulch, I have enough bagged leaves I did not use to mulch three feet deep, if we have another drought. :o

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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2023, 02:33:39 PM »
More salvaged squash seeds
coming up. Hopefully that's an
omen. Replanted more tomatoes.
Maybe 1/3 came up so far.
Transplanted a few crowded ones.
Hopefully things will pick up
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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2023, 02:26:54 PM »
Snow covering has melted again but we are getting pissy rain/snow.
Potatoes will just sit in the ground doing nothing if ground temp. is not over 45.
I doubt I will plant on May Day as Grandpa did, as temps. vary from thirties to fifties for the nest ten days. :o

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« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2023, 04:06:47 PM »
Black eye peas are coming up and making a stand, beets are looking good and growing good so far, butternut and yellow squash are up and looking good. Tomato plants are doing good with blooms starting on them now. English peas haven't done squat, they sprouted and looked good for a couple of weeks and then just stalled out. Figure we'll plant something else to replace them.
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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2023, 06:05:29 AM »
We planted 60-70 starts back in early March, using egg crates and saran wrap. Cucumber, zucchini, spaghetti squash, spinach, large cherry tomatoes, bell peppers, yellow and green onions. It was, and is, too cold to do anything outside yet so they've been enjoying sunrise and southern sun in the window sills. (We get no sun on our side of the valley 4 months of the year.) I've since replanted everything that sprouted into bigger containers, which is about half of our starts. And planted some new starts to fill in gaps. We're getting 8 hours above freezing a day now, even peaking in the 50s, but still 20s at night. Snow is going away but still not clear enough to put up the green house. Did pick up a worn out snow tire from the community waste transfer station (dump) that'll use for potatoes here soon. And I started cilantro in the mini-hydroponic grower. Had planned to build raised beds along the southern wall of our house, but our local senior center opened up their community garden to the public ($20 a plot) since the residents don't all garden. Nice big raised beds, already full of good soil - saves me some time, $ and sweat.
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