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A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« on: March 04, 2023, 06:40:24 AM »
  There has long been a discussion asking, did Col Custer commit suicide there on Reno's Hill ?

  Here is a quite convincing investigation...   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7RTdTVdx-Y
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2023, 11:14:29 AM »
Apparently, that was a semi common practice during the Indian wars, to keep from being captured and tortured. I”’m not sure if he did it himself, or his brother Tom did it for him.

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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2023, 03:37:15 PM »
Apparently, that was a semi common practice during the Indian wars, to keep from being captured and tortured. I”’m not sure if he did it himself, or his brother Tom did it for him.

  Possible, I've been to the hill and notice that Tom's marker is not all that far from the Colonel's marker, maybe 15-20
   yards as I recall.
  But here again, 15-20 yards is a long distance, when one is as busy as they quite evidently were at that point !
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2023, 04:18:20 PM »
It has been my understanding that he had enough respect from the Sioux, that he wasn't scalped. Don't know it for sure, just what I've heard.

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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2023, 01:18:13 AM »
It has been my understanding that he had enough respect from the Sioux, that he wasn't scalped. Don't know it for sure, just what I've heard.

   It seems that way, although there is no way to prove one way or another. At least no scalp of Col Custer has ever been claimed or displayed by any warrior or his descendant. Ironically the two Indian leaders on that day may well have been later killed by their own people.

   Certainly Sitting Bull was..  https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/sitting-bull-killed-by-indian-police

  The death of Crazy Horse is still being debated.

  The video indicated that Custer's autopsy indicated a gunshot wound to his temple and the .41 cal bullet was found.
  It apparently made no mention of the scalp missing or the familiar scalping marks left on the bony structures.
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2023, 02:18:53 AM »
Custers body was described by by General Terry whom with his column of soldiers, actually found Custer. He was "ringed" by dead calvary horses, where he, and 40 other troopers did a "last stand effort".

He was described by General Terrys men as "nude but not scalped", and suffered 2 gunshot wounds. One to his left breast near his heart which was described as "would have been fatal", and one "IN FRONT OF" HIS LEFT TEMPLE which would also have been fatal.

Doesn't make much sense to commit suicide if one is already dead.

I suppose its fun to speculate on what is impossible to know, but in reality, George Armstrong Custer, who finished last in his class at West Pointe,  was an arrogant butcher, who intended to kill every man, woman, and child of a Souix village, screwed up "AGAIN" and also finished last in The Battle of the Greasy Grass. He got what he deserved.


An interesting side note is,  that when they transferred his remains to West Pointe for reburial, they may have mistakenly reburied a corporal instead.

Once again, the United States government made a hero out of a cold blooded scoundrel.
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2023, 03:02:53 AM »
From Dee;
   Custers body was described by by General Terry whom with his column of soldiers, actually found Custer. He was "ringed" by dead calvary horses, where he, and 40 other troopers did a "last stand effort".

  ^^^THAT^^^  Probably about the best witness one could cite..

    I ha e heard/read no accounts of Custer saying he wanted to kill every man, woman and child, in that temporary village (more the size of a small city) there by the river. Indeed he did plan on going through the village, and raising havoc, but when the 'village' kept going and going...his miscalculation became obvious to him, so he headed across the river and up the hill.

  Even though possessing a big ego and inclined to take risks, he proved brave and intrepid beyond most other young officers. So much so, that he was promoted to the rank of Brigadier General at the age of 23..an almost unheard of accomplishment.

  On can look from the scene of the 'last stand', down toward the river, and see a line of markers, where troopers fell on the way up the hill.  The actual scene of the climatic battle is easily visualized by the markers in place.

   Working on memory, I believe the fence enclosing the 'last stand' is somewhat less than half a football field.
  The Colonel's marker is obvious, Tom's marker is a bit down hill from it.

  Some folks seem to think that the whole regiment was wiped out..wrong. 
  The part that survived, did so on a higher hill on the same ridge a couple miles away, and under the command of Reno & Benteen.

   https://thelocaltourist.com/little-bighorn-battlefield-national-monument/
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2023, 03:38:27 AM »
From Dee;
   Custers body was described by by General Terry whom with his column of soldiers, actually found Custer. He was "ringed" by dead calvary horses, where he, and 40 other troopers did a "last stand effort".

  ^^^THAT^^^  Probably about the best witness one could cite..

    I ha e heard/read no accounts of Custer saying he wanted to kill every man, woman and child, in that temporary village (more the size of a small city) there by the river. Indeed he did plan on going through the village, and raising havoc, but when the 'village' kept going and going...his miscalculation became obvious to him, so he headed across the river and up the hill.

  Even though possessing a big ego and inclined to take risks, he proved brave and intrepid beyond most other young officers. So much so, that he was promoted to the rank of Brigadier General at the age of 23..an almost unheard of accomplishment.

  On can look from the scene of the 'last stand', down toward the river, and see a line of markers, where troopers fell on the way up the hill.  The actual scene of the climatic battle is easily visualized by the markers in place.

   Working on memory, I believe the fence enclosing the 'last stand' is somewhat less than half a football field.
  The Colonel's marker is obvious, Tom's marker is a bit down hill from it.

  Some folks seem to think that the whole regiment was wiped out..wrong. 
  The part that survived, did so on a higher hill on the same ridge a couple miles away, and under the command of Reno & Benteen.

   https://thelocaltourist.com/little-bighorn-battlefield-national-monument/

One can look at Custer anyway one wants to, but Custer was a FU that was rightfully court martial education numerous times, but like many in the military "even today" knew the right people.

https://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-george-armstrong-custer
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2023, 03:49:02 AM »


    I ha e heard/read no accounts of Custer saying he wanted to kill every man, woman and child, in that temporary village (more the size of a small city) there by the river. Indeed he did plan on going through the village, and raising havoc, but when the 'village' kept going and going...his miscalculation became obvious to him, so he headed across the river and up the hill.

  Even though possessing a big ego and inclined to take risks, he proved brave and intrepid beyond most other young officers. So much so, that he was promoted to the rank of Brigadier General at the age of 23..an almost unheard of accomplishment.


THIS IS TYPICAL GEORGE ARMSTRONG CUSTER. He was not  only a FU, but a butchering POS.

LIKE I SAID, HE HAD FRIENDS IN HIGH PLACES. AT GREASY GRASS HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED. ;)


https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/custer-massacres-cheyenne-on-washita-river
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2023, 01:02:18 AM »
The Us military has always liked to make hero's out of people to take the public's mind off whats really going on.

Remember Jessica Lynch? Remember the spin the army put on her story, making her a hero.

And then there's the Pat Tillman story. Killed by friendly fire. They tried to cover that story up, but failed.

History from the governments side is usually tainted. This I do believe.
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2023, 01:34:34 AM »
Yeah, Jessica Lynch had far more honor than the military peers. She ratted'em out as to what really happened.
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2023, 01:35:12 AM »
The Us military has always liked to make hero's out of people to take the public's mind off whats really going on.

Remember Jessica Lynch? Remember the spin the army put on her story, making her a hero.

And then there's the Pat Tillman story. Killed by friendly fire. They tried to cover that story up, but failed.

History from the governments side is usually tainted. This I do believe.

  Certainly Jessica Lynch was no hero,at least in the accounts I read. It appears she was a truck driver who somehow,
   got separated and lost from her convoy. then when it became necessary to use her rifle, it had been neglected to the point where it did not serve her well. That of course caused an unnecessary threat to some of our Spec Ops troops, who had to go fetch her.
 
   With Pat Tillman, I am not so sure it was intentional obstruction, so much as letting the initial report ride, until the investigation was complete.
   During the 'fog of war', any commander it seems, would be hesitant to call 'friendly fire' until an investigation is complete.  If perchance he calls it prematurely  and wrong, certain negative media with a will cause much consternation and confusion, even if the charge is proven wrong, and the falsely accused will have their lives ruined.
 
 Waiting until the investigation is completed, is the only prudent course for the commander on the ground..IMO.
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2023, 02:32:44 AM »

I've been around for a few years, and in that time I've seen how the military industrial complex works. Wars are profitable for a few and devastating for many. Most if not all, are for that very reason. The Iraq war under the SOB Bush was . They lied to the public, to get most on board. (WMD'S) The war in Afghanistan another. Some fat cats profit from wars, while most suffer. But guess what....They write the history books, and if they like, can change them. Look at whats happening now to the history of the South during the war between the states. The southern statues taken down......Even the names of our Military installations that are named after Southern patriots are being changed. They are wiping out any true history of that time, and going forward the youth of today won't know any better. Who today really knows the truth about Custer. Chances are what we are told by historians is mostly BS, if not all.

General Smedley Butler was destined to become one of the Military's greatest hero's. But that was before he spilled the beans.

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-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.
War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2023, 02:47:44 AM »
The Us military has always liked to make hero's out of people to take the public's mind off whats really going on.

Remember Jessica Lynch? Remember the spin the army put on her story, making her a hero.

And then there's the Pat Tillman story. Killed by friendly fire. They tried to cover that story up, but failed.

History from the governments side is usually tainted. This I do believe.

  Certainly Jessica Lynch was no hero,at least in the accounts I read. It appears she was a truck driver who somehow,
   got separated and lost from her convoy. then when it became necessary to use her rifle, it had been neglected to the point where it did not serve her well. That of course caused an unnecessary threat to some of our Spec Ops troops, who had to go fetch her.
 
   With Pat Tillman, I am not so sure it was intentional obstruction, so much as letting the initial report ride, until the investigation was complete.
   During the 'fog of war', any commander it seems, would be hesitant to call 'friendly fire' until an investigation is complete.  If perchance he calls it prematurely  and wrong, certain negative media with a will cause much consternation and confusion, even if the charge is proven wrong, and the falsely accused will have their lives ruined.
 
 Waiting until the investigation is completed, is the only prudent course for the commander on the ground..IMO.

Well, I see years later the "disinformation" continues. SEVERAL VEHICLES got separated due to poor planning and weather when they were ambushed by the Iraqi army. Maybe it was some of that "war fog".

In any event, the Humvee Jessica was "RIDING IN" was hit by an RPG so nobody really knows why her rifle jammed.

And shame on Jessica for getting blown up, and those "special ops" dudes having to "unnecessarily" have to go and "fetch her" from an Iraqi hospital with little to no resistance.

And so what if she almost lost a leg, her spine is together fused with stainless steel, and her friend that was driving the hummer when it was hit, died. Neither by any means are heros. ::)

https://www.glamour.com/story/jessica-lynch

BTW Jessica Lynch while "by no means was a hero" ::), received a Bronze Star, a Purple Heart, and A POW Medal.

And at only 18 years of age, Jessica "who by no means was a hero" made it all the way through that terrifying ordeal all veterans talk about,  known as, "Boot Camp" ;)

And speaking of it being "prudent" to wait on the investigation to be completed. Try that next time when it concerns lwa enforcement.
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Re: A touch of history.. Col Custer..
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2023, 03:33:41 AM »
   ..And back to the OP...  Capt Benteen vehemently disliked Custer, so during the fight, he sneaked away from his post on the high ridge and killed Custer himself...
  Now, that can keep conspiracy fans busy for a while..
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