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New Stampede Review and review of custom grip maker
« on: March 15, 2004, 03:21:10 PM »
Walked into Turner's Sporting Goods (SoCal area) looking for a nice Vaquero .44 Mag and walked out (10 days later) with a nice Beretta Stampede 4 3/4", CCH (or what passes for it) and standard blue with black plastic grips.  As it turns out, at $399.00 the Beretta was substantially less expensive than the Ruger, with a nicer trigger and better cosmetics (IMHO).

A few observations:

Lockup is super tight.  We're talking bank vault here.  No slop.

Trigger is as crisp and light as I've felt on a single action revolver.  I haven't put it on the scale yet, but I see no need to mess with it and I'm a stickler.

The stock plastic grips SUCK.  They are poorly fit and cheaply made.  Beretta should be ashamed.

Finish is very nice, although I note one small casting flaw (?) on the backstrap assembly and two tiny nicks in the CCH on the back of the frame.  These were hidden by the packing oil when I initially checked the revolver at the store.

When I removed the trigger guard and backstrap assemblies to have new grips fit, I noticed the bolt spring (if I'm calling it the proper name) is a bent music wire affair instead of the traditional (and fragile) leaf spring.  Nice!

Now, on to the saga of getting appropriate grips:

Bought pair of Ajax "Ivory Polymer" grips.  Outrageously poor fit.  Figured I'd mess something up fitting them myself.  Mistake #1.  I should have just fit them, but I was worried about mucking it up.

Looked locally for grip fitting services.  Cost is twice as much as the dang grips.

Looked online for grip fitting and grips.  Found CollinsCraft.  Ordered aged white micarta grips.  Head honcho Don Collins said fitting was included.  Sent bottom metal and money order, plus $10.00 for return shipping.

Metal and grips came back.  Grips looked great, but were oversized and were not really "fit" to my expectations.   Sheet enclosed said grips would be fit slightly oversized to eliminate risk of negatively affecting grip finish.  A two sided emery board is included so you can finish fitting the grips.  If that was all I had to finish the job, I'd be even more disappointed than I already am.

Here's the kicker:   My frame metal was nicked and cold blued to hide damage.  Pretty obvious and a cheap fix.  No effort was made to blend in the scuff, it was just cold blued.  Not just cheap, but ugly.

Huh?  Poor fit AND damaged metal?  Guess I just lucked out.  And saying that fit is included, then sending a nail file and saying "finish fitting them yourself, I don't want to hurt anything" is nothing short of amazing.  

Emailed Don Collins.  Am told I can return grips for full refund.  This would still leave me with messed up frame.  Don apparently does not have a local source for bluing, but will do "whatever I want" and will look for a local source if I insist.

What I wanted was my grips fit right the first time without metal damage.  I agreed to keep the grips (they are nice) and fit them myself.  Told Don to let his conscience be his guide as to whether or not to send me funds to help cover the cost of rebluing.  Haven't heard from Don since.

I've now used my buffer to properly fit the grips to my frame, sacrificing the remainder of my undamaged bluing job in the process.  At least I got to buff out the nick CollinsCraft made in my frame... now I have to spend an extra fifty bucks or more finishing a job that should have been right the first time when I find someone to blue the metal.

The verdict?  Stampede thumbs up.  Collinscraft aged white micarta grips, thumbs up.  Quality of CollinsCraft "Fitting Included"?  BIG thumbs down.  Don was very polite and apologetic, but that hardly helps.

I hope someone can find something of value in my bellyaching.   :roll:

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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2004, 04:00:06 PM »
When I bought my new Stampede, my thoughts were exactly like yours. Very nice gun, grips suck. I went a different route and ordered a set of Hogue Cowboy grips from Brownell's. I got the Pao Fero wood grips that are made for a Colt. I marked and sanded the grips (off the gun) until they fit perfect.  Took an hour or so but it was well worth it. What a difference in looks and feel!
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2004, 04:14:46 PM »
Glad your grip experience was better than mine.  

I would have fitted the grips off the frame, but since the metal needs rebluing anyhow I figured a buffer on the assembled unit would be quicker and more effective.  

Also, these grips are "one piece" which makes fitting the unit off the gun rather more tricky.

If I had it to do over again, I'd probably find a grip maker that does things properly... that is precision fits the grips to the frame, and reblues if necessary.  I'd rather pay $100 extra and save myself the grief.

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2004, 06:01:36 PM »
I just bought a Stampede also and I like it just as much as you do! Mine seems to be very accurate at 30 yards. I'm going to leave the plastic grips but also think Beretta could have done a much better job with them! I guess that is one way they keep the price down. The rest of the gun is top quality! What cal. did you get it in? Can :grin: grats on the new toy!
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2004, 06:29:17 PM »
.45 LC of course!   :grin:  Nothing I'm going to do with this revolver that a big, fat, heavy, slow slug won't handle.

I prefer the single actions with the feel and handling characteristics of the Colts, and the transfer bar is a plus for me safe handling wise, even more so since it doesn't hamper a nice trigger.

Thanks for the congrats, I'll rest easier when she's back in one piece and I can put this issue to bed... and rounds downrange.   :?

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2004, 07:53:56 PM »
Whoops I put the smiley face in Congrats! Enjoy your new gun! I put 100 rounds through mins so far flawlessley and hopefully get to shoot again this week!
I almost bought a Vaquero but then found the Stampede which right away could tell it was made a little better fit and finnish wise. I wish it was as strong as the Ruger though for hot loads. With regular loads this gun will out last me I bet and it is still very rugged and could beat a bad guy to death if you ran out of bullets. :-D
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2004, 11:21:45 PM »
for some really nice grips see scott kolar http://skcustomgrips.com/ hes a little more expensive but the grips are beautiful and he does a great job of fitting. tell him Lloyd sent you.
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2004, 07:57:15 AM »
I also recently purchased a Stampede. Mine is a 4-3/4" 45 LC, nickel-plated, with the one-piece walnut grips. The fit and finish, including the grips, is excellent and the trigger needs no work. I originally planned on adding replacement stag grips, but I am so pleased with the current grips that I will save the money. I have only had it to the range once, but it is definitely more accurate than I am.