Historical Firearms Quiz

[Capt Hamp Cox]

"A small Turkish army is trapped, but with the help of surprising firepower, they hold up the entire Russian Campaign for over five months."

The above statement pertains to a firearm that, in various other configurations, was also commonly used in the American West.  Name that firearm, and the cartridge for which it was chambered.

[DDO]

Could it have been a Remington rolling block, in 43 Egyptian? At first I was thinking of 1895 Winchester, but it seems that is what the Russians bought for WWI.  
Dewight

[Capt Hamp Cox]

A couple of good guesses, but not the right answer.  Keep thinkin' and try again.

Hamp

[Roundup]

The rifle was a Winchester....either a Model 1866 in .44 Henry or a 1873 in 44-40.

[Capt Hamp Cox]

Roundup,

You have the correct answer in your post.  Which one is it?

Hamp

[HWooldridge]

I say the '73...got a 50/50 chance, eh?

[Capt Hamp Cox]

HWooldridge,

Better not buy a Lotto ticket today.

For all who were interested enough to give it a shot, check out http://www.militaryrifles.com/Turkey/Plevna/ThePlevnaDelay.html .
Hamp

[Mikey]

A small turkish army used American made rifles to hold off the Russian Army that was coming to the aid of unarmed Christian Armenians in what was then Christian Armenia being ravaged by muslim turks.  

In one particular encounter and possibly the one you referenced, there is a historical likelihood that a scene from the movie 'Lawrence of Arabia', when Lawrence and company happened upon the remains of hundreds of unarmed Christian Armenian refugess slaughtered in the dessert, accurately depicts the fact that the turks had managed to hold off the Russians long enough to shell a refugee camp populated by over 100,000 unarmed Armenian refugess.  Thanks to that particular rifle the turks managed to slaughter the entire lot of refugees while holding off the Russian army.

Yep, that sure is some piece of history there Captain.  Thanks possibly to that particular rifle, that particular engagement and the ones that preceeded it (supported with the American rifle), the turkish army was able to slaughter over 2 million unarmed Armenians, effectively ending much of Amenian history and ancestry, including mine.  

Ever heard the term 'The Young Turks"?  It pertains to three young turkish generals who orchestrated the Armenian massacres.  Turkey, to this day, refuses to admit to the slaughter - but that's what would you should expect from muslims who traffic in the wholesale murder of Christians.

Now, Captain, in reference to today's reality, you might see those 'young turks' as the gun grabbing elite of the demicraptic party or others who would seek to disarm America.  An unarmed population was fair game for militant turks, fair game for nazis, fair game for communists and is fair game for demicraps.  

Would you really want to give any of those tyrrants mentioned the means to defeat the opposition?  I should hope not, especially when the opposition is 'us', and their agenda is to disarm us all and turn us all into the oppressed.  Mikey.

[Holiday]

Easy, folks. This looks like it might get unpleasant. The good Captain is simply giving us some Western Firearms trivia. Mikey, if I am reading this wrong, I apologize sincerely. The Massacre you mentioned is a travesty, and I share your feeling about Muslims. I mean NO disrespect to your ancestors. But the tone of your post was a little, well, harsh. I appreciate the information, though. Many folks today don't know how the Turks and other Muslims came to power. Kinda makes our conquest of the West a little less onerous, don't it?

[Shorty]

Yeah, Mikey, an American made rifle didn't kill Armenians, Turks did.  Remember, "guns don't kill, people kill".  
My cobbler is Armenian, old enough to be 2 nd generation refugee.  I haven't asked.  Great guy. :-)

[Capt Hamp Cox]

For Mikey and anyone else upset about this thread.

My only intent was to share knowledge regarding some history about a firearm normally associated with the American West.  I was not previously aware of and do appreciate the information Mikey contributed.  I had no idea, however, that my post would be controversial in any shape form or fashion.  I do not know any Muslims, Turks, Russians, or persons of Armenian descent, so I do not have an axe to grind in that arena.  I do, however, have an interest in firearms (Old West and otherwise) and in military tactics.  The information I shared addressed a unique (for the time) application of both, regardless of what happened prior to or after the described event.

I figure if you're still upset, whatever I say here isn't going to change that.  You'll either eventually get over it or you won't, so let's just get back to having fun with this forum.

Hamp

[williamlayton]

Gonna be a fine day when we all cross over that river.
Blessings

[Big Hext Finnigan]

Sheesh.. let's see how far we can stick out them toes.. :roll:

[Holiday]

Okey doke, nuf said. No offence to anyone, but lets consider the matter dropped. In order to be fair, any other comments other than a historical nature on this post will be deleted.

[Mikey]

Captain  and Holiday - Not to fret and sorry about the harshness.  I gladly accept your approach to historical issues and it was without personal angst that I responded with some of my own personal information.  I have always found your posts to be informative and entertaining.  

Yes, in comparison it does make our settlement of our west a bit less onerous, although I sorta doubt our Aboriginal Americans would go with ya on that one....................

Shorty - your statement is correct.  As for your 'cobbler' - you may need, or want, to tread lightly in your inquiries.  For some, that history is as fresh as it is for some others whose relatives suffered under the 3rd Reich.

To be perfectly honest, I had always wondered what the hay took the Russian Army so darned long to finally establish a frontier against muslim extremism, and now I know.  At first I thought it might just have been the borscht....................  Thanks fellas.  Mikey.

[Holiday]

Thanks, Mikey. I really appreciate the clarification. And indeed, the historical information is appreciated as well. I enjoy the study of history, and a differant perspective is always welcome.

[HWooldridge]

And back to the original post...I guessed it was the '73 only because of the large numbers made by Winchester and the fact they were exported, but I suppose it makes sense that the first good repeater would also have been in demand worldwide.  In addition, the '73 probably wouldn't have earned a wide following by 1877, when this took place.